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if western Russia, the Russian embargo will stop supplying gas to western
And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy. 90% of medicine comes from the west , 70% of cars come from the west. 90% of passengers planes come from the west. Half of the drilling equipment comes from the Netherlands and Germany. Do they eat medicine, cars and passenger planes (regarding your words that Russians will starve to death)? You also seem to be forgetting that Europe would be freezing but for Russian gas (and the winter is coming, yeah). So it cuts both ways, and you don't know which side would cut sharper and deeper... ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Without selling gas and oil they will have no money to buy one loaf of bread ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Remember what happened at the last serious drop in oil prices? We said bye bye to the URSS And you seem to be forgetting that only 24% of the total gas consumed by Europe comes from Russia. Do you have a clue how much goes to the industry and how much to heating? Besides , without equipment from Germany and Netherlands the russian can't even extract their own gas and oil ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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Don't expect either of the above points being permanent. Besides, Balthazar already posted infografics showing the percentage of Russian oil exports relative to Russia's GDP.
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if western Russia, the Russian embargo will stop supplying gas to western
And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy. 90% of medicine comes from the west , 70% of cars come from the west. 90% of passengers planes come from the west. Half of the drilling equipment comes from the Netherlands and Germany. Do they eat medicine, cars and passenger planes (regarding your words that Russians will starve to death)? You also seem to be forgetting that Europe would be freezing but for Russian gas (and the winter is coming, yeah). So it cuts both ways, and you don't know which side would cut sharper and deeper... ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Without selling gas and oil they will have no money to buy one loaf of bread ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Remember what happened at the last serious drop in oil prices? We said bye bye to the URSS I thought domestic agriculture was intended for providing a loaf of bread to the populace (and meat for that matter). Ok, I guess you would say that Russian agricultural sector is depressed, and I would partly agree to this. But look, if sanctions (or counter-sanctions) prohibit imports there is no more food imported, i.e. no more price competition that suppressed the domestic agricultural sector, right?
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September 03, 2014, 03:22:06 PM |
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if western Russia, the Russian embargo will stop supplying gas to western
And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy. 90% of medicine comes from the west , 70% of cars come from the west. 90% of passengers planes come from the west. Half of the drilling equipment comes from the Netherlands and Germany. Do they eat medicine, cars and passenger planes (regarding your words that Russians will starve to death)? You also seem to be forgetting that Europe would be freezing but for Russian gas (and the winter is coming, yeah). So it cuts both ways, and you don't know which side would cut sharper and deeper... ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Without selling gas and oil they will have no money to buy one loaf of bread ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Remember what happened at the last serious drop in oil prices? We said bye bye to the URSS I thought domestic agriculture was intended for providing a loaf of bread to the populace (and meat for that matter). Ok, I guess you would say that Russian agricultural sector is depressed, and I would partly agree to this. But look, if sanctions (or counter-sanctions) prohibit imports there is no more food imported, i.e. no more price competition that suppressed the domestic agricultural sector, right? You just can't start producing more food out of the blue. It's not like in the car industry where you can even in the middle of December buy another automatic line and start the work. And when it comes to cattle , how do you see an increase in meat production in less than two years from now on? Farmers will need more money to buy land , tractors and to invest in storage capacities... they will have to take loans for this. But with the food ban being applied for 1 year , who will take the risk in this? If there will be an agreement over Ukraine next week and the bans are lifted ?
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if western Russia, the Russian embargo will stop supplying gas to western
And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy. 90% of medicine comes from the west , 70% of cars come from the west. 90% of passengers planes come from the west. Half of the drilling equipment comes from the Netherlands and Germany. Do they eat medicine, cars and passenger planes (regarding your words that Russians will starve to death)? You also seem to be forgetting that Europe would be freezing but for Russian gas (and the winter is coming, yeah). So it cuts both ways, and you don't know which side would cut sharper and deeper... ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Without selling gas and oil they will have no money to buy one loaf of bread ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Remember what happened at the last serious drop in oil prices? We said bye bye to the URSS I thought domestic agriculture was intended for providing a loaf of bread to the populace (and meat for that matter). Ok, I guess you would say that Russian agricultural sector is depressed, and I would partly agree to this. But look, if sanctions (or counter-sanctions) prohibit imports there is no more food imported, i.e. no more price competition that suppressed the domestic agricultural sector, right? You just can't start producing more food out of the blue. It's not like in the car industry where you can even in the middle of December buy another automatic line and start the work. And when it comes to cattle , how do you see an increase in meat production in less than two years from now on? Farmers will need more money to buy land , tractors and to invest in storage capacities... they will have to take loans for this. But with the food ban being applied for 1 year , who will take the risk in this? If there will be an agreement over Ukraine next week and the bans are lifted ? Meat is not only cattle. It is also fish, chickens and other small game. So it won't require two years, and I hope you won't argue with this. Besides that, there are many established partners selling, say, beef to Russia (such as Argentina and Brazil) and which would be just happy to fill in the lack... And if the bans are lifted in the end, there may be no more room for European farmers in the Russian food market, sorry ("not the only pebble on the beach")!
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Obama At NATO Summit: Prologue To War With Russia http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/obama-at-nato-summit-prologue-to-war-with-russia/“We will create a new highly ready rapid response force that can be deployed on a very short notice,” he added. “We will increase NATO’s presence in central and eastern Europe with additional equipment, training, exercises and troop rotations.” And if no threat is forthcoming and Russia still stubbornly refuses to respond to provocations, then provoke more. We are at this stage now. When more provocations will fail, NATO will move on to an open aggression against Russia either without any pretext or under a false flag.
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Obama At NATO Summit: Prologue To War With Russia http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/obama-at-nato-summit-prologue-to-war-with-russia/“We will create a new highly ready rapid response force that can be deployed on a very short notice,” he added. “We will increase NATO’s presence in central and eastern Europe with additional equipment, training, exercises and troop rotations.” And if no threat is forthcoming and Russia still stubbornly refuses to respond to provocations, then provoke more. We are at this stage now. When more provocations will fail, NATO will move on to an open aggression against Russia either without any pretext or under a false flag. I still dont know what the f**k NATO wants from Russia
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I still dont know what the f**k NATO wants from Russia
My feeling that NATO wants Russia to invade something, so that they have an excuse for their existence and to increase their military spendings. "Retaliatory" attack on Russia and desintegration of the country would be a definitive bonus. EDIT: Interestingly, NATO moved out into Georgia again, stirring up trouble there once more. This, after Russian-Georgian relation started to normalise after Saakashvili was evicted. Pentagon Chief Backs Georgia’s New NATO Status http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/pentagon-chief-backs-georgias-new-nato-status/Georgia: Pentagon Opens Southern Front http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/georgia-pentagon-opens-southern-front/Oh, and here come Latvia: Latvia: NATO Rehearsal For War With Russia http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/latvia-nato-rehearsal-for-war-with-russia/
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More spending= more weapons, so weapon manufacturers are in on this
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This is true, they want to attack Russia next year,source says many in the EU panic maybe false flag, we'll see what will happen
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Jim’s Summary: - the USDollar is under siege despite its rising exchange rate - a Global Paradigm Shift is underway - the Ukraine War has brought about a heightened urgency - Europe must make a decision to preserve its economy, or to support the USD - the European nations will work to install the Gold Standard, and thus will preserve their economies and industry and jobs - Special Forces professional troops from Germany, France, Netherlands, and England are fighting against NATO forces in Ukraine - easy conclusion: NATO IS DEAD - the Fascist Axis is being exposed, coming into full view - defense of the USD via war is becoming very well understood - the Petro-Dollar is dying, as both the Saudis and Russia will work without the USD core in payments - Germans are fed up with American strongarm tactics, as confrontations are occurring - the anti-USDollar movement has gone global, as all nations pursue BRICS Associate status - Gold, Bonds, and Banks are the extreme weak links - the US will succeed in imposing sanctions against the majority of nations, and thus win extreme isolation - the new axis of Russia, China, Germany is emerging which will promote the return to Gold Standard
Full Article Below: https://www.perpetualassets.com/news/2014/09/04/nato-dead-king-dollar-wrecked-a-jim-willie-exclusive/EDIT: Read further into the article: USDOLLAR WAR DEFENSE LAID BARE During the 1990 decade, a few instances can be identified where the USDollar defense was felt with USMilitary activity. In the 1980 decade, the brief Panama War was to defend the USDollar, where their economy and banks still use the USD currency. In the early 2000 decade, examples were seen like after South Korea announced USTreasurys diversification plans. The US treated them to military exercises off their coastline. Recall SKorea is effectively an occupied nation (see USMilitary presence with 28,500 troops). In the 2000 decade, the most stark example of USDollar war defense was seen in the Iraq War. The tyrant Saddam Hussein openly boasted oil trade in Euros, and cited its advantages over a few year period. He did not expect the disadvantage of war attack, annexation, and his capture with hanging by the neck after his statue was toppled and the image of his head smacked with sandals. The Iran sanctions were founded in non-USD usage in their energy trade, the same Hussein crime. Thus Iran was painted by the dutiful Israelis as a nuclear threat. That card has been played way too often. Tehran still lacks both adequate nuclear material and missile delivery systems. No need to be factual, when propaganda is the name of the CFR game. The attack on Cyprus was not really about insolvent banks and Bank Bail-in models being arranged. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Russian usage of their banks as a window to the West for their banking system. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Russian usage of their banks in conversion of USTBonds to Gold bullion. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Gazprom at the pass, and to provide a prelude of the upcoming Ukraine War.
No mask can cover the fact that the Ukraine War is to protect the USDollar, to ensure Europe is kept within the USD Corral, to prevent Europe from sitting at the Gold Standard table. The only trouble is that the Kiev Fascist Regime is going to fall very soon, and the Kiev leaders will be exposed for their Langley roots, their Soros roots, and the Mashwodd roots (which fills most ministry posts). The Europeans will not let their nations be wrecked in order to defend the violent corrupted cancerous USDollar. They will choose the Gold Standard, promoted by Russia & China. They will choose to preserve their economies and their national livelihoods.
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And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy.
Russia is one of the world's biggest exporters of cereal (esp. wheat). ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.russianlife.com%2Fdefault%2Fassets%2FImage%2Fgrain_vedomosti.jpg&t=665&c=eo2PXqGmhupSZQ) If anyone is going to starve, it is going to be the Egyptians who depend a lot on the Russian wheat. It is true that Russia imports a lot of fruits, vegetables, dairy.etc. But these products are produced not just in the US / EU. They are also produced in countries such as Brazil and Argentina as well.
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And in 3 months Russians will starve to death as oil and gas make 60% of their economy.
Russia is one of the world's biggest exporters of cereal (esp. wheat). ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.russianlife.com%2Fdefault%2Fassets%2FImage%2Fgrain_vedomosti.jpg&t=665&c=eo2PXqGmhupSZQ) If anyone is going to starve, it is going to be the Egyptians who depend a lot on the Russian wheat. It is true that Russia imports a lot of fruits, vegetables, dairy.etc. But these products are produced not just in the US / EU. They are also produced in countries such as Brazil and Argentina as well. The major part of imported dairy products (milk, cottage cheese, sour cream) comes from Belorussia (the closest trade partner and ally of Russia) and which is considered by the EU/US as being even more "evil" than Russia. I think they are more than happy with trade sanctions against Russia and by Russia...
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The major part of imported dairy products (milk, cottage cheese, sour cream) comes from Belorussia (the closest trade partner and ally of Russia) and which is considered by the EU/US as being even more "evil" than Russia. I think they are more than happy with trade sanctions against Russia and by Russia...
Hmm... then this might be a good thing. Rather than importing cheese, fruits and vegetables from the pro-NATO states such as Lithuania and Poland, Russia should source them more from its allies (such as Belarus, Serbia, Argentina, Brazil.etc). Even if this measure results in a small spike in inflation, in the long term it will prove beneficial to Russia.
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The major part of imported dairy products (milk, cottage cheese, sour cream) comes from Belorussia (the closest trade partner and ally of Russia) and which is considered by the EU/US as being even more "evil" than Russia. I think they are more than happy with trade sanctions against Russia and by Russia...
Hmm... then this might be a good thing. Rather than importing cheese, fruits and vegetables from the pro-NATO states such as Lithuania and Poland, Russia should source them more from its allies (such as Belarus, Serbia, Argentina, Brazil.etc). Even if this measure results in a small spike in inflation, in the long term it will prove beneficial to Russia. You finally hit it on the nail (after so many efforts). In fact, the Belorussian president Lukashenko ("the last dictator of Europe") ordered to fill up Russia's needs in diary products after the sanctions had been first introduced. Previously, the Russian importers couldn't break the contracts with their suppliers from the EU, but now they are free to choose whom to work with...
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I wonder if that means that the "Breadbasket of Europe" Ukraine will pick up the slack from Russian sanctions, and increase their grain exports to EU along with their GDP?
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The new general secretary of the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation (also known as NATO) announced that NATO will hold a new and more aggressive line against Russia. I get a feeling that the next level of aggression is an invasion of Russia. USA already had such plans right after WWII. After the nuclear strikes against Hirosima nad Nagasaki, Kiev, Moscow, Leningrad, and several other major cities of the USSR were on the US hit list, scheduled to be obliterated. http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963In the meantime Obama compared Russia to ebola. http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1464405?utm_medium=rss20 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Funny how demonisation and badmouthing of Russia has spread like a disease to the highest levels of American government. It also give food for thought if such a statement is a Freudian slip, revealing that USA has something to do with the current outbreak. Lavrov, ever the level-headed Politician, commented Obama's outbreak lacing his words with slight sarcasm: http://itar-tass.com/politika/1464681?utm_medium=rss20
An interesting read from February this year: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_02_23/Soviet-Republics-and-Russian-allies-US-NATO-color-revolution-targets-Rick-Rozoff-3586/
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Why would the US or NATO want to invade Russia? There's absolutely nothing in there anyone wants, and no one, no Europeans, and no Americans, support such a thing. The only thing anyone has ever talked about is a line, as in defensive, "DO NOT CROSS" position to keep Russia from trying to expand again.
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US to attack Russia in 2015. Evgeny Fedorov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zRD-Ulv2s&list=UUVZvwsW37QnZQgTGmoMPErQA coup d´état under the guise of an 'Orange Revolution' is being prepared in Russia. The big picture and the details are given by Evgeny Fedorov, a deputy in the Russian parliament, and coordinator of the People's Liberation Movement. The coup facilitator is the fifth column, which dominates the mass-media and public servants all the way up to government ministers, a point barely known within Russia, never mind outside. However, the people's insurrection in Ukraine could wake up enough people in Russia to restore national sovereignty. In the next few years it will come to a head, with only two possible outcomes : the destruction of Russian civilization or the collapse of the American empire.
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