I'm tired of the United States

[GospodinDD]

I am more for this: Make love, not war But I agree that we do not need leader at all. As I know people have same right, so all countries should have same rights.

[Initscri]

Being from small-town Canada, I'd happily switch TO the United States.

I love Tech, specifically ecommerce. Canada Postage is too expensive, ecommerce dried out within Canada real quick. Competition is too difficult when you have the states right below you and Canada not trying to advance.

But as with most countries, there are pros and cons. Issue is people only look at the cons before looking at the actual pros of, for example, not being in Africa.

i like canada. if you came to the U.S. you would probably have to learn how to deal with so many dicks. canadians are really nice, communal type people.. and people more educated than most americans to boot.

Haha, I'm actually on vacation in the United States right now. (Florida OFC, where else? Come down here for every year past 10 years). I've met some really nice Americans (and I have friends who live in Alabama, PA, etc...), so I guess it really depends. It is really proportionate. Believe me, there are some Canadians who are dicks just as much, if not more.

No doubt, I love the people in Canada, but It's more or less a matter of Economics, Industry Standards and our generic cost of living being ridiculously high. Not to mention if you want to go to the states, have fun in the line-up.

[supernem]

People are too stupid, desire power, and don't cooperate, and that's worse than the US government.

[DAYAGO]

What you are proposing is "Anarchy". Google it, it hasn't worked before 

[u9y42]

What you are proposing is "Anarchy". Google it, it hasn't worked before 

Sort of... so for example, during the Spanish Civil War, the regions of Catalonia and Aragon were effectively an anarchy; there was no central government controlling the course of affairs, but things were still done: day to day living went on as usual, infrastructure was built and maintained, etc. The only reason it did in fact not work out was due to outside interference.

[RodeoX]

Yeah, let's tear it down! We don't need laws or police or roads or education. All that stuff get's in the way of my plans to enslave your children anyway. Without the government we can enjoy the peace and quiet that comes from the aftermath of a well executed poison gas depopulation.
Your children will not have to deal with the distractions of civilized life. There will just be mining and dying early. Easy peazy. It will be just like the good old days after the fall of Rome or the glitter of the bronze age collapse. 

[troy112]

Go live in a jungle, there you dont have to folllow anyone. 

[Bit_Happy]

How about we actually treat the USA Constitution as the law?
It can be amended when necessary, so most arguments against are usually BS.

[u9y42]

Yeah, let's tear it down! We don't need laws or police or roads or education. All that stuff get's in the way of my plans to enslave your children anyway. Without the government we can enjoy the peace and quiet that comes from the aftermath of a well executed poison gas depopulation.
Your children will not have to deal with the distractions of civilized life. There will just be mining and dying early. Easy peazy. It will be just like the good old days after the fall of Rome or the glitter of the bronze age collapse.  

As I stated above, there have been cases of anarchy working without internal conflict; what you suggest wouldn't always be the outcome fortunately.

There are some qualifications though: the example I gave wasn't anarcho-capitalism, but real anarchy; I personally don't believe anarcho-capitalism can succeed. And in the case of Spain, there had previously been decades of popular organizing, and a lot of failed attempts before they got it right.

So, I believe attempting the same in the US at this point in time would probably be a bad idea; it could just as easily shift even further to the right. But with enough education, organizing, and pushing for changes within the current system (like getting rid of money in politics once and for all, for example), it would be possible.

EDIT: here's an interview at The Real News with Chris Hedges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6n861Gu6Q that goes on a bit about this, and on what you can do to begin changing the current situation.

[chopstick]

a lot of people are fed up with the surveillance/ police state that the USA has become.

Not very many people care enough to actually protest though.

I can guarantee that if the US has major widespread protests like in the arab spring, they would be dealt with extremely harshly and with excessive force.

[counter]

We will come together and make our voices heard when the time if most opportune to us. 

[jinjuro]

No way you can defeat US. If you don't like to live in US. Live in the wilderness, live off grid. Plant your own vegetables and fruits and grow your own livestocks. And live peacefully ever after.

[u9y42]

No way you can defeat US. If you don't like to live in US. Live in the wilderness, live off grid. Plant your own vegetables and fruits and grow your own livestocks. And live peacefully ever after.

Ultimately the US, as any other country, is constituted by its people. If people actually organize, and start pressing for democratic changes, of course they can "defeat the US".

[bryant.coleman]

No way you can defeat US.

No need to defeat the US. The US will disintegrate on itself. Just check the disintegration of the USSR. The USSR collapsed as the war machine became unsustainable. The same will happen with the US.

[tins]

No way you can defeat US.

No need to defeat the US. The US will disintegrate on itself. Just check the disintegration of the USSR. The USSR collapsed as the war machine became unsustainable. The same will happen with the US.

Unfortunately you're on to something. The U.S. is spending itself into oblivion.
That is what draws me to Bitcoin.
My wife believes in traditional "safe" investments. So, we have her 403B, Roth IRA's.
I do not believe the average person gains from those, plus with the way the government is headed, how do we know that they are even safe? Therefore, I turned to non-traditional "risky" investments....Bitcoin, metals, property.
Should the U.S. every decide to seize its citizen's wealth to pay off the bad debt, I have hedged my bets.

[platorin]

I can only imagine how life is in US. Try, for instance, live in Eastern Europe.

[tins]

I can only imagine how life is in US. Try, for instance, live in Eastern Europe.

I have no frame of reference as to how life is over there.
Is it more free than the U.S.? How people complain about the governments as much as we do?

[BawsyBoss]

I can only imagine how life is in US. Try, for instance, live in Eastern Europe.

I have no frame of reference as to how life is over there.
Is it more free than the U.S.? How people complain about the governments as much as we do?

I am pretty sure that every single country complains about their government to a certain degree. If they don't, then there's something fishy going on. However, that's the way it should be, since it help keep the government in check.

[kuroman]

I can only imagine how life is in US. Try, for instance, live in Eastern Europe.

I have no frame of reference as to how life is over there.
Is it more free than the U.S.? How people complain about the governments as much as we do?

I am pretty sure that every single country complains about their government to a certain degree. If they don't, then there's something fishy going on. However, that's the way it should be, since it help keep the government in check.

Imagine the US government was anywhere close to Sweden government in terms of democracy and transparency

[bryant.coleman]

Should the U.S. every decide to seize its citizen's wealth to pay off the bad debt, I have hedged my bets.

No joke. It will happen sooner than you expect. Everyone in the US will now be thinking that what happened to the Cypriots will never happen to them. Well... everyone will be proved wrong.