Playing HYIP's and Who to Avoid - AVOID Bitcoin-Trader & Rockwell-Partners.com

[CryptoBaron]

Just giving you an update on my end just withdrew .77166 BTC took two minutes and had deposited .63 so nice little .14166 BTC over 3 days isn't to bad I guess. Looking into your choices for right now and hope to get your referral links soon via PM. Thanks again Yonce!

[yonce]

Just giving you an update on my end just withdrew .77166 BTC took two minutes and had deposited .63 so nice little .14166 BTC over 3 days isn't to bad I guess. Looking into your choices for right now and hope to get your referral links soon via PM. Thanks again Yonce!

Congrats!!

[yonce]

Added mydailybitcoin to the list.

[yonce]

Haven't discussed this, but someone brought it up to me in a PM and thought I would share. If a HYIP publicizes stats like we have a million in deposits and such and such in payouts, good chance they are not telling the truth. The HYIP's with truly millions in deposits and millions hundreds of thousands in payouts don't publicize it. Be extra cautious when short term sites advertise their stats - don't believe those stats.

[Ron~Popeil]

Forgive me but this whole thread strikes me as odd.

The OP is "warning us" to stay away from what he deems hyip companies but then offers to share his list of trustworthy hyip businesses but only via private message.

btc-arbs is an easy one, but where is the evidence on the others? I don't know enough about any of them to say one way or the other but my attorney father in law would call that slander and defamation.

I had a pyramid scheme guy once warn me about all the pyramid schemes as well. Then he tried to sell me his pyramid scheme.   

[yonce]

Forgive me but this whole thread strikes me as odd.

The OP is "warning us" to stay away from what he deems hyip companies but then offers to share his list of trustworthy hyip businesses but only via private message.

btc-arbs is an easy one, but where is the evidence on the others? I don't know enough about any of them to say one way or the other but my attorney father in law would call that slander and defamation.

I had a pyramid scheme guy once warn me about all the pyramid schemes as well. Then he tried to sell me his pyramid scheme.  

It may strike you as odd if you don't play HYIP's or know a thing or two about them. I'm guessing the pyramid scheme guy had money to make off you if he was trying to sell you one. These "companies" are free to take up an attorney (lol), but that would require them opening up about their identities lol. My entire list will come to pass. I tell people how the HYIP system works, and I tell them about ones via PM if they want to hear about them. I purposely do that via PM and don't offer referral links to show people I am not trying to pump up certain HYIP's for a commission. I don't need to sell any one. I do feel obligated though to protect the Bitcoin community and the value of my own Bitcoin.

Btc-arbs an easy one? Was raked over the coals for calling that one out and look how poorly it ended and so soon. Well hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

[yonce]

Interesting Rockwell Partners Solid Trust Pay account got suspended for a day or two. Might have been trying to cash out funds a little too quickly. But during that short suspension they already had a new account accepting new deposits. I already sense the oncoming crash of this program.

[Micon]

Yonce - tyvm for your detailed response above.

A few more questions if you don't mind (and once again tytytytyty for being so open about it, I have never heard the rational viewpoint on these until you)

1)  Did the liberty reserve debacle kill you guys?  Is that akin to the Neteller or Full Tilt debacle?  or "black friday" to us online poker players?

2) This "Soild Trust Pay" seems to be the currency of HYIP, although you bet your ass it's moving to bitcoin when they see how easily and freely they can pwn the /gambling section and how many idiots will send them coins immediately, no washing, no payment system shutdowns, etc.   ok anyway I read this:

NOTE - SolidTrust Pay does NOT accept adult, pharmaceutical, dating, gambling, firearm, tobacco, lottery or casino businesses of any kind.

and why won't this thing just get Liberty Reserve'd ?

[yonce]

Yonce - tyvm for your detailed response above.

A few more questions if you don't mind (and once again tytytytyty for being so open about it, I have never heard the rational viewpoint on these until you)

1)  Did the liberty reserve debacle kill you guys?  Is that akin to the Neteller or Full Tilt debacle?  or "black friday" to us online poker players?

2) This "Soild Trust Pay" seems to be the currency of HYIP, although you bet your ass it's moving to bitcoin when they see how easily and freely they can pwn the /gambling section and how many idiots will send them coins immediately, no washing, no payment system shutdowns, etc.   ok anyway I read this:

NOTE - SolidTrust Pay does NOT accept adult, pharmaceutical, dating, gambling, firearm, tobacco, lottery or casino businesses of any kind.

and why won't this thing just get Liberty Reserve'd ?

The Liberty Reserve debacle didn't kill the industry because there were other players in the market, but it for sure lessened the money greatly in play for about 5 or 6 months minimum. The industry players for sure got real angry about the U.S. government shutting it down and majority of foreign players see the U.S. government as an enemy to them and their freedoms. Some intense conversations happened during all that with players on the forums. I'd have to say the addition of Bitcoin as a big player in the industry helped it recover a lot quicker.

SolidTrust Pay is something I do not know why it didn't get Liberty Reserve'd at the same time FinCen went after them. They do have some intense verification procedures in general and they have even cooperated formally with the SEC way back when over one site called Zeek and still went on with business. There's also been some new regulations this year in place for HYIP admin's having to also send all sorts of compliance type things - financial reports, corporate records to continue using them. So I guess it is somehow in the clear for now. The amount of programs that accept Solid Trust Pay have been reduced over the new regulations.

Bitcoin has opened up the U.S. market for sure along with SolidTrust Pay being the other major U.S. player for HYIP's. The other major processors have blocked American customers.

I'd have to say today, the HYIP market is bigger and more active than it was the 6 months leading up to Liberty Reserve shutting down. SolidTrust Pay and Bitcoin definitely are two big reasons for that. Many U.S. players did not even use Liberty Reserve and were not affected by the shut down. I think Bitcoin may even bring HYIP's back to some of the peak years of the industry.

[yonce]

Thought I would post, not going to specifically list every fly by night short term high yield program that comes by. But please save yourself some heartache and avoid them. The short term admins are sleazy and should be avoided. Unlikely you will ever see 1000% percent and above returns per year if you play them. The short terms admins are trying to fight for a small share of the HYIP industry - they don't control much at all of the 100 million a year industry.

[Micon]

yonce - again tyvm.  i'm fucking fascinated with the world of mini-madoffs...



I remember the "Zeek rewards" thing going super-viral then of course going boom.  I remember someone in my family emailing me the foxnews article recently:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/05/zeekrewards-former-chief-operating-officer-pleads-guilty-in-850-million-ponzi/

DAAAMN $850M

Was this clearly a more professional offering, but same basic HYIP heart.  Did you make tons from this one?  It seems like sharp HYIP players wouldn't have guessed it would blow up that big and got out early?

[yonce]

yonce - again tyvm.  i'm fucking fascinated with the world of mini-madoffs...



I remember the "Zeek rewards" thing going super-viral then of course going boom.  I remember someone in my family emailing me the foxnews article recently:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/05/zeekrewards-former-chief-operating-officer-pleads-guilty-in-850-million-ponzi/

DAAAMN $850M

Was this clearly a more professional offering, but same basic HYIP heart.  Did you make tons from this one?  It seems like sharp HYIP players wouldn't have guessed it would blow up that big and got out early?

It is quite fascinating. I became even more so fascinated with it over the years as I delved deeper into the industry. I did not see that article on Zeek! Thanks!

I was in Zeek. Something very interesting about Zeek is they helped HYIP admins cash out STP funds in the millions a lot quicker during that time. The HYIP vendors that provide cash out services to admins from STP to anonymous funds were able to exchange millions a lot quicker during that time when Zeek was up and running. At the moment, it takes a little longer to cash out STP for HYIP admins. For a big successful program with STP, it can take 2 months to cash out.

I think one of the key things is when people go into HYIP's you need to go into an experienced group going in. I tried playing by myself in the beginning and got more messed up than when I began learning more, becoming more experienced, and building relationships with the right people. You have your HYIP players making six figures a year, repeat players making 5 figures a year, and many never more than 3 or 4 figures a year. I'm sure many of these players have no idea how admins cash out their STP or that it was even some sort of system. Digging deeper and building those relationships would help a lot more become more successful being a HYIP player.

[BitcoinTraders]

Nice list man!
Thanks for advices about where to invest!
When i'll have some BTC i will invest a bit in a very stable HYIP!

[yonce]

Nice list man!
Thanks for advices about where to invest!
When i'll have some BTC i will invest a bit in a very stable HYIP!

Good luck wherever you invest!

[yonce]

So Bitcoin Trader now says I must have been the person to contact them to ask for a 10 bitcoin bounty to keep from bashing their program. Nice to know I am doing something right by garnering their attention all of a sudden. Funny though since technically they are the small fish of my list.

[yonce]

Not sure who it was on this forum, but someone not usually in my downline made a big deposit under bitcoin in one of the HYIP's I am in. Totally didn't have to, but I appreciate it whomever it may have been!

[bcmine]

Not sure who it was on this forum, but someone not usually in my downline made a big deposit under bitcoin in one of the HYIP's I am in. Totally didn't have to, but I appreciate it whomever it may have been!

I am sure your work here is doing good and you are making money. thats not bad, you are pushing people into your systems. Its just funny, that you are warning people from a real company, which is not a ponzi. But hey, a real non ponzi dont need fresh money every day, right?

Keep on hard work!

a good list with most frauds, whatever topic you can find here:
http://www.badbitcoin.org/

[yonce]

Not sure who it was on this forum, but someone not usually in my downline made a big deposit under bitcoin in one of the HYIP's I am in. Totally didn't have to, but I appreciate it whomever it may have been!

I am sure your work here is doing good and you are making money. thats not bad, you are pushing people into your systems. Its just funny, that you are warning people from a real company, which is not a ponzi. But hey, a real non ponzi dont need fresh money every day, right?

Keep on hard work!

a good list with most frauds, whatever topic you can find here:
http://www.badbitcoin.org/

Bitcoin-trader is a ponzi game. That isn't the reason why I warn about them, it is because of their elaborate deception. Also ponzi games are known for having supplemental incomes to the site and not just fresh money every day. Some admins use short term sites and pop them out here and there to supplement their main site they run. Some admins also do use user funds at times for other things to help extend the game.  One thing Bitcoin-trader shouldn't have done to create a better deception lol is use Chris at shadowscripts for their site. The script is built to run a ponzi game, many of us have seen the admin backend. I also don't push people into the programs I am in. I offer up advice and don't offer referral links unless someone asks for them. Many of the users here who I have offered advice to I have never given a referral link to. My main goal is to keep Bitcoiners safe from an industry that is new to them. My referral income has been great for a number of years prior to coming to this forum.

[yonce]

If you are playing the short term site, oilrig, have to strongly urge you to pull out any funds ASAP.

[lostshare]

Admin is behind on sending out payouts as he is sick. Monitors still showing paying status and Facebook page indicates payouts after a slight 12 hour delay.

Sure they'll eventually disappear, all these sites do, but I think we can get another month or two.

If you make a deposit of $100 or more and you use my referral, I'll give you back 1/3 of your investment. I've made a killing off of this site, and compounding my returns.

I'd gladly help out those who build my referral.... shoot me a PM on here after you deposited and I'll send you 33% of what you put in. I will send only by BTC though, I don't use any other currency.

https://oilrigcontractors.com/index.php?ref=hyipmon