[MRO] Monero logo contest on 99designs.com

[Ximp]

Yeah, you should have been upfront about this in the opening post. Now is not the time to retroactively change the scope, price, and timeline of the contest.

[eizh]

Yeah, you should have been upfront about this in the opening post. Now is not the time to retroactively change the scope, price, and timeline of the contest.

There was never a timeline. The price, I agree.

[solid12345]

I was going to get on today to apologize to eizh, I was under the impression the logo bounty was being reduced to 99 dollars, then I saw it was $500 on the site which I think is a fair price so I started working on one. Well lo and behold I go to upload my design and AGAIN it's now been changed now to $300 prize. What next, will it be reduced to $99 tomorrow?

This is all the more reason digital contract technology on the blockchain is going to be huge, it will be harder for clients to pull such shenanigans when there is documentation for every every move in the b2b process.

Solid, it's $500 (that's what I see on the top right corner). What are you talking about? Does the site keep $200 for itself? If that is the case, I can increase it.

Posted in other thread but it sounds like they do, sorry to go off accusing you without noticing that.

[Xenopus]

wow, what a waste. absolutely not acceptable. scammers is what you are.

Because the contest got upgraded from $130 at the time of your submission to $500 + protected from price volatility (double-edged sword).

Too bad, I genuinely liked your designs.

You're did a really shitty thing, and instead of apologizing (like, at all) you just shrug and pretend you did nothing wrong.

You have ZERO right dealing out holier-than-thou sass like this people who are upset at your disgraceful behaviour.

You are right. Moving it to a different venue and asking for artists to resubmit is more of a move than a cancellation so the terms should be kept constant. In light of that, if a previous submission from this forum wins, you have the option to take 300 MRO instead -- fluffypony clarified this in the main thread. This would have to be privately arranged because I'm pretty sure the site just automatically pays out.

Sorry for the clusterfuck. The logic is simple: a forum contest should be cheap because only those who happen to be on this forum are in it, making it relatively noncompetitive. The MRO price went up so it's fair to move to a more competitive venue. When we're talking about something like 99designs.com, you have to beat out a lot more artists and naturally you deserve more, and we're willing to pay that.

I understand. A sincere thanks for making things right.

[k-meister]

You are right. Moving it to a different venue and asking for artists to resubmit is more of a move than a cancellation so the terms should be kept constant. In light of that, if a previous submission from this forum wins, you have the option to take 300 MRO instead -- fluffypony clarified this in the main thread. This would have to be privately arranged because I'm pretty sure the site just automatically pays out.

Sorry for the clusterfuck. The logic is simple: a forum contest should be cheap because only those who happen to be on this forum are in it, making it relatively noncompetitive. The MRO price went up so it's fair to move to a more competitive venue. When we're talking about something like 99designs.com, you have to beat out a lot more artists and naturally you deserve more, and we're willing to pay that.

I'm not a designer but I'm pretty shocked after reading about this debacle on Twitter.

You should apologize and pay what was promised to the winner.
Retroactively spinning your way out of this by talking about "moving" the competition is not fooling anyone, it's just alienating people more and giving Monero bad PR.
These guys have already done the hard work, far more than 300 monero worth of work at any value of the currency. Try looking for a design agency to submit so many designs for less than 3,000 Monero at its peak value.

If I promised someone some currency to do some work, they did the work, then the currency changed in value AFTER they did the work, I would expect them to take me to court if I didn't pay them. Or at least give me a good kick in the balls.

[darlidada]

I understand the concern of the designers, they had a better chance to win if they werent competing with professionals, but as MRO got bigger, the reward they were promised got bigger but the desire of a high quality logo of the core team got bigger too ! This is as simple as that. If any of the designers of this thread want to win, they just have to move at 99designs.com. It's less probable they win but the reward just got bigger too. I guess it averages things.

May the best one win!

[kussaka]

Yeah, transfer of the contest to the 99D is a bit unexpected..

Monero has no premine, and donating is free so collecting the award for contest became difficult.
So, problem that appeared is not simple.
But from the other side people make their part of work and not just for money but for the opportunity to participate in an interesting project (I am sure most part of people). Development of one version takes some time and efforts, thinking about concept, and also analysis of existing logoes and etc..

Transfer to the 99D has some pluses and minuses for all, not for designers from forum.

On 99D I see a lot of similar ideas, as between each other, as to the existing coins (mastercoin, mintcoin, memorycoin and etc.). So devs must pay attention to this.
People on 99D not so acquainted with the world of cryptocurrencies, so a lot of logoes taken from the other projects.

Regarding the risk of fluctuations in the price and the real value of the coin prize, designers also run the risks as you are. A lot of coins depreciate and even disappear just after start.

That all my thoughts about this..

I continue to participate in the competition for 99D. Will transfer my version, I think that monero is one of very interesting project.

[mymenace]

Submit your Quark logo here

[sadface]

The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).

That's kind of a scummy thing to do ex post facto, just saying.

I completely agree. Hence the statement that anyone is free to withdraw. But Econ 101: at 300 MRO, we would abandon all designs in this thread for obvious reasons -- we can trivially just hire professionals at a lower price. This way, at least someone *might* win and get paid rather than 0% chance.

Even if it was held in escrow, there's a simple problem - we always had the right to walk out by declaring no logo was worth it. And indeed, at 300 MRO (~$500-600) no logo is worth it. There's no violation unless a design is used without paying out.

99design is an indian design farm scam that rips off any serious designer, by letting them work countless hours for a terrible ROI. you will get countless preprepared copy paste submissions. instead of supporting our community here, you are now supporting 99designs only. you also have no clue what a professional is worth. in fact you have no clue at all about any of this. sorry i have to tell you this.

i just checked and you imo got terrible submissions and you chose poorly aswell.

all this is completely apart from the fact that you didn't have a clue what you wanted and let everyone here work that out for you. everybody who took part here deserves to be paid for that.

[LimLims]

Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly in OP, but all submitters in the thread could have submitted their work to the 99designs comp, meaning no work is wasted, just a wider playing field to compete against. Nobody got screwed, and sourcing a bunch of professional designs to compare to the community designs is a smart move. You ended up with a really nice logo. Haters gon' hate.

[darlidada]

Fantastic logo! It seems the move to 99designs was a good idea in the end. It has enabled the community to have a logo of the same proportion of its ambition!

[sadface]

Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly in OP, but all submitters in the thread could have submitted their work to the 99designs comp, meaning no work is wasted, just a wider playing field to compete against. Nobody got screwed, and sourcing a bunch of professional designs to compare to the community designs is a smart move. You ended up with a really nice logo. Haters gon' hate.

this is complete bullshit.