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May 01, 2014, 09:42:16 PM
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Carrying on from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322328.160

Forum: https://forum.unsystem.net/

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/

A whole other world awaits in the shadows. Step out in any direction you choose.

http://darkwallet.is/
https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/DarkWallet/Alpha3
https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/DarkWallet/FAQ

This is just the beginning. A whole new generation of digital black markets is about to be born.

Don't be afraid. Stand firm & disobedient.



Who holds my keys?

You hold them on your desktop. We do not have access to them.

Are mixing servers centralised?

No, they are federated in a p2p network. Anybody can setup a mixing server and have it inter-operate with the others.

We cannot view your transactions, and do not have access to your Bitcoins.

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May 01, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.

it makes me laugh they cant even be arsed to make a tor website. they have no clue about security.

even on the normal internet, they cant even code secure https...

anyone putting your coin into dark wallet will lose it. and you will have no recourse with police investigations due to the fact that you will have to explain why you put funds into something advertised as used for the blackmarket.


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May 01, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.

it makes me laugh they cant even be arsed to make a tor website. they have no clue about security.

even on the normal internet, they cant even code secure https...

anyone putting your coin into dark wallet will lose it. and you will have no recourse with police investigations due to the fact that you will have to explain why you put funds into something advertised as used for the blackmarket.



It's an Alpha release, you are supposed to be using the testnet and contributing to the testing and development right now.

Thanks for all your hard work guys, looks slick. I will be setting up an obelisk server soon as all the ones listed on the site seem to be overloaded and blocking new connections.


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May 01, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
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I would have taken a completely different approach. This just looks like MyBitcoins wallet with teen angst. A better approach to anonymizing coins is to set up a matrix consisting of random clusters of computers creating multisig transactions and loading each other's wallets with a specified amount and nLockTimed as a failsafe. They would swap intermediary keys in a circle one way, and the coins the other. I think it would be a nightmare to code something like that, but that's the nature of the beast.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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May 02, 2014, 01:42:26 AM
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i don't fully trust dark wallet
but it still looks interesting , gonna have a try  Roll Eyes
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May 02, 2014, 02:20:27 AM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.



This is not a 3rd party service, it's a wallet that runs as a plugin in the browser and can hold keys there.

Maybe you want to read more information, check the wiki genjix is linking there.
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May 02, 2014, 02:31:08 AM
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Interesting stuff.  Love seeing the development of anonymity purpose-driven software.

I try to blend coins just incase anything is being tracked, but to have something built in would be great.
I'll let the early-adopters iron out the wrinkles before I jump in. Smiley
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May 02, 2014, 03:54:10 AM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.
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3rd party service doesn't sound correct.
Dark Wallet is controversial, but they are not setting up a central service which features a future "run away" with the coins.

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May 02, 2014, 10:35:10 AM
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Is it possible to host the dark wallet server on an instance of amazon c2 or google cloud? Will there be support tutorials in how to do it?
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May 02, 2014, 03:24:42 PM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.

it makes me laugh they cant even be arsed to make a tor website. they have no clue about security.

even on the normal internet, they cant even code secure https...

anyone putting your coin into dark wallet will lose it. and you will have no recourse with police investigations due to the fact that you will have to explain why you put funds into something advertised as used for the blackmarket.



MANY many companies dont use a tor website even if they aim to be secure. This company has many steps to complete but they have an okay model to strive for.
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May 02, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
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lol nothing to see here, just another 3rd party service to hold your coin and run away with them later.

it makes me laugh they cant even be arsed to make a tor website. they have no clue about security.

even on the normal internet, they cant even code secure https...

anyone putting your coin into dark wallet will lose it. and you will have no recourse with police investigations due to the fact that you will have to explain why you put funds into something advertised as used for the blackmarket.



Gotta love your signature man... The irony...

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May 02, 2014, 08:30:07 PM
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No one told me I was supposed to use the test service, so I am using real bitcoin with the Dark Wallet alpha.

It's been a bug-filled experience, but still this is promising software.

I tried to give away some bitcoin to listeners of my radio show, and it has been confusing and slow.  I outline some of my experiences, for anyone who cares, here in this thread:  https://www.facebook.com/freetalklive/posts/10152121299029072?stream_ref=10  - my comments are as "Free Talk Live".

I sure hope this gets out of alpha soon.

In New Hampshire?  Check out our crypto forums here: http://forum.shiresociety.com
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May 03, 2014, 12:21:27 AM
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It's essentially a decentralized wallet once finished, and a nonprofit is making it. If it doesn't end up being centralized, which will be the case, then no government/authority can go after companies. Companies can't do anything shady either once the wallet is released, and the code will be visible to the public to analyze.

Good article that goes into it http://www.panture.com/how-a-dark-wallet-will-affect-bitcoin/
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May 03, 2014, 01:04:29 AM
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Waiting for Firefox addon, I don't trust Google software.

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May 03, 2014, 01:18:07 AM
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Waiting for Firefox addon, I don't trust Google software.


well then you might want to take a look at how mozilla gets its funding...

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May 03, 2014, 02:27:03 AM
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"not setting up a central service"

well read the wiki and look at the part that shows people connecting to a SERVER. then look for ANY part that mentions decentralized peer-to-peer connections....

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May 04, 2014, 10:10:30 AM
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firefox is important to me too as a user. we want originally with chrome for during development as the API is more stable.

we're waiting on a final spec by peter todd for the coinjoin. more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6526623#msg6526623

info on stealth addresses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=592518.0
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May 05, 2014, 07:30:17 AM
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thanks for all the trollbox trolls testing, activity & feedback!
it's great, i love it. lots of trolling action.
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May 05, 2014, 07:35:30 AM
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Smart move for Dark Wallet to use the browser to gain from this development and research and I feel stealth addresses will keep information leaks with your every action at bay.


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May 05, 2014, 08:03:14 AM
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Darkwallet is possibly the second best thing after Bitcoin. Go on guys, long live freedom.
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