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GOP Wonders What The Hell It Will Do About Rand Paul's Foreign Policyby Sam Stein 06/21/2014 8:00 am EDT
WASHINGTON -- The divisive role that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has played within the Republican Party on matters of foreign policy was amplified on Friday amid ongoing chaos in Iraq.
At a gathering of social conservatives in Washington, D.C., Paul’s call for more measured U.S. engagement -- if not outright restraint -- was criticized by fellow attendees, including a potential rival for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
In an interview with The Huffington Post outside the Faith and Freedom Conference, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), a 2012 presidential candidate, offered a message “to the Rand Paul types” within his party.
“You can see what happens when America creates a vacuum,” Santorum said. “Other people fill it, and it is not to our security interests.”
Paul's remark that President Barack Obama wasn't to blame for the rise of Sunni militants in Iraq drew even more admonishment from the neoconservative wing of the party, which has begun openly fretting about the possibility that the Kentucky Republican could end up becoming the GOP standard-bearer.
Michael Goldfarb, founder of the unapologetically hawkish Free Beacon, distilled Paul’s message on foreign policy into a simple: “Don’t blame Obama.” After tweeting his disdain, he elaborated in an email to The Huffington Post. More... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/rand-paul-foreign-policy_n_5516454.htmlHuffPo is basically the American left's web-central of the Drudge Report for the right and this is one of their hottest articles over there right now. Rand Paul is going at the Religious right/Evangelicals at these summits and making the case for pro-life arguments to our (American) foreign policy and driving those points home putting the war hawks back on their heels. If nothing else, this should be of major interest to any non-American viewing from abroad about how much of a badass (Senator R-KY) Rand Paul is. Rand is the only likely Prez contender in either major party that is making the rounds owning the non-intervention mantra, anti-NSA concepts/pro civil liberties, pro free market zones for expanding jobs among others and these all resonate w/ an expanding populist American public leading up to a perfect storm.
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so, are any of you rand paul lovers going to defend rand's decision to push toward not allowing abortion? he's either placating to the far right, or he actually believes this shit.. how can a libertarian take a "pro life" stance, and still be called a libertarian? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/rand-paul-abortion_n_5516219.htmlWASHINGTON (AP) — Describing a nation "in a full-blown spiritual crisis," leading Republicans on Friday vowed to fight against abortion rights and protect the role of faith in public life as they courted religious conservatives with an eye on the 2016 presidential contest.
"I will stand up for unborn children as long as I'm privileged to be in office," Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul declared while addressing the Faith and Freedom Coalition, a group led by longtime Christian activist Ralph Reed hosting its annual conference in Washington.
"America is in a full-blown spiritual crisis," the tea party favorite continued. "What America needs is a revival."
Paul led a parade of ambitious Republicans on a Friday speaking program — including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and 2012 presidential candidate Rick Santorum — that featured aggressive defenses of social conservative priorities, including opposition to abortion, gay marriage and funding for Planned Parenthood. The gathering highlights the delicate balancing act Republican leaders face as they work to bridge divisions within the party and improve the GOP's image.
Organizers said more than 1,000 evangelical Christian leaders were attending the conference, designed to mobilize religious conservative voters in advance of the upcoming midterm elections and the 2016 presidential contest. While polls suggest that social conservatives are losing their fight against gay marriage, Republican officials across the political spectrum concede that evangelical Christian voters continue to play a critical role in Republican politics.
"You can ignore them, but you do so at your own peril," said Republican operative Hogan Gidley, who worked for Santorum and for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee during his 2008 campaign for the presidential nomination.
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Clearly, Rand is pandering to the religious right in certain instances as you can't have them hate you and stay home on general election nor lose too many of them in the primary especially as other candidates are widdled out of the race. They are one issue voters and have been strung along by moderate republicans for decades by and large. Rand is attempting to flip the script by focusing attention on pro-life alternatives to the current neocon war hawk mindset and it's working. His dad's position was that Roe v Wade should be repealed and that issue would be left up to individual states to handle their own business.
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how is he all that special among other candidates if he's willing to sell out on his values (if that were even the case)? he's not.. but it's hard to blame him if he wants to be president. the problem is the republican party though, since he's going to have to prove just how conservative he is during the primaries, and if he wins, he'll have to prove how he's such a moderate during the presidential elections. he'll be labelled a flip flopper.
compound that with the unpopularity of the republican stock, and you can clearly see that republicans are at a clear disadvantage.. plus hilary is more popular than anyone that the GOP can nominate. it's too bad christie turned out to be scum though.. he was the clear favorite a year ago.
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June 21, 2014, 08:02:14 PM |
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how is he all that special among other candidates if he's willing to sell out on his values
It's more a repackaging of the libertarian beliefs for broader consumption (i.e. what his dad couldn't do). Paul's staff is really good at hustling libertarian beliefs in a more populist way that is acceptable and tolerable to conservatives and many liberals alike. As an ancap, I can appreciate what he's doing to get the ball rolling on getting more libertarians elected and getting the message trending away from statism for the long run.
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June 21, 2014, 08:32:29 PM |
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... Paul's staff is really good at hustling libertarian beliefs in a more populist way that is acceptable and tolerable to conservatives...
LOL! So I've noticed.
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June 22, 2014, 12:45:25 AM |
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... Paul's staff is really good at hustling libertarian beliefs in a more populist way that is acceptable and tolerable to conservatives...
LOL! So I've noticed. His staff and supporters are two different groups. Remember Ron had supporters throwing snowballs at Sean Hannity back in 08 in NH. I don't support either of these incidents but Sean had something coming for being such a propagandist and this woman had no business rushing Rand when he was on the campaign trail running for Senate. Her "republicorp" poster had nothing to do with what kind of republican Rand was nor is. Just another retard liberal drone.
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June 22, 2014, 02:04:09 AM |
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
On one hand, she may not even run. IF she does, there's so much dirt on her past and present that the whole woman novelty thing will wear off fast. Similarly, she was planning the whole national health care aka Hillarycare back in the 90s during her old man's terms. She isn't removed at all from the devastation of the unfolding health care crisis among many other issues that are hanging around democrats' necks.
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
Hillary is having the demographic advantage. She just needs one-third of the white votes to win the 2016 election, while Rand Paul needs more than two-thirds of that group to have any realistic chance. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
Hillary is having the demographic advantage. She just needs one-third of the white votes to win the 2016 election, while Rand Paul needs more than two-thirds of that group to have any realistic chance. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) It's all about picking off swing states not necessarily a national polling to take home the show and he's already out-polling her in Colorado and he's likely going to be pulling more minorities than ever before so Rand is in good shape. Mind you, this is all before Obamacare shows what it truly is in the next year or so, not to mention an ever stagnant or worse economy for the middle class and lower. His economic freedom zones concept will be a major part of his campaign as well as the NSA spying which Hillary is linked w/.
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Colorado has only 9 electoral votes. If he really want to win, then he will have to win states such as Florida. But that seems to be very difficult as he is having low levels of support there.
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
On one hand, she may not even run. IF she does, there's so much dirt on her past and present that the whole woman novelty thing will wear off fast. Similarly, she was planning the whole national health care aka Hillarycare back in the 90s during her old man's terms. She isn't removed at all from the devastation of the unfolding health care crisis among many other issues that are hanging around democrats' necks. she is running. if she weren't, then fox wouldn't be digging up dirt on her as they are, and she wouldn't be in front of the cameras as much as she is.
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FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
On one hand, she may not even run. IF she does, there's so much dirt on her past and present that the whole woman novelty thing will wear off fast. Similarly, she was planning the whole national health care aka Hillarycare back in the 90s during her old man's terms. She isn't removed at all from the devastation of the unfolding health care crisis among many other issues that are hanging around democrats' necks. she is running. if she weren't, then fox wouldn't be digging up dirt on her as they are, and she wouldn't be in front of the cameras as much as she is. What you're witnessing on Fox is the "rally around the family" effect which is being built up to help the GOP take the Senate and more of the House by demonizing (and rightfully so) the key players on the other team. That stuff sells big time. Besides, it's not like digging up dirt on Hillary is some major chore, there's been plenty written about it over the years. It just depends on what angle they want to take. Regarding winning Florida and other places that the GOP has had trouble, the issues will lean towards the right going forward and Rand will have a nuanced way of really pounding them to his advantage. He's doing well right now when very few are paying attention or considering who they're going to support down the line. He's just making the rounds and laying the groundwork w/ donors, party officials and minorities so when the timing is right he can be as bullet proof as possible.
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RAND PAUL: 'REDSKINS' NAME NONE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESSby DANIEL J. FLYNN 22 Jun 2014, 9:29 AM PDT
Senator Rand Paul said that the name of a professional football team isn't a legitimate concern of the federal government on Meet the Press Sunday morning.'
"I'm not much for the government getting involved in the NFL," the Kentucky Republican told host David Gregory. "I don't really have a personal, private or public, opinion on what the Redskins name should be."
Gregory's question on the Redskins referenced a letter signed by 50 Democratic senators petitioning the NFL to unilaterally change the name of Dan Snyder's team. "Now is the time for the NFL to act," the letter sent last month implored NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. "The Washington, D.C. football team is on the wrong side of history. What message does it send to punish slurs against African Americans while endorsing slurs against Native Americans?"
Harry Reid, one of the signatories of the letter, vowed this week not to attend a game at FedEx Field until the Redskins change their name. On Wednesday, the U.S. Patent Office cancelled six team trademarks after a ruling called the Redskins name "disparaging" to Native Americans.
Paul referenced the NBA's move to force a sale of the Los Angeles Clippers because of owner Donald Sterling's speech and behavior as an example of how private contracts can foster change independent of political involvement. But in the case of the Redskins, Paul said: "I don't know with the name."
The senator held that politicians sometimes get "distracted" talking about symbolic fights when Americans face "more important things." The "more important things" Paul addressed on the program included Hillary Clinton's failure to heighten security for diplomatic staff in Libya after being asked to do so, how the Iraq War has "emboldened Iran" and led to Islamic terrorists taking over large swaths of Mesopotamia, border security needing to come before work-visa based immigration reform, and the restoration of voting rights for non-violent felons. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/06/22/Rand-Paul-RedskinsIn case some don't know, there's a move to get the NFL team the Washington Redskins to change their name and it's been all over the sports scene lately. Finally, someone comes out and calls it like it is.
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Here's Rand on Meet The Press (one of those popular national Sunday morning political shows) this morning w/ David Gregory where they discuss the ongoing situation in Iraq among others. It's a 13 min clip and you'll get to see how measured and crisp Paul can be while dealing with the 'gotcha' media. He can handle these guys a lot better than his old man did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASRAI250D0
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Dick Cheney: Rand Paul ‘Basically an Isolationist’ Whatever you say, Dick. By Eliana Johnson June 22, 2014 10:56 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl_9H1zprUs Rand Paul is “basically an isolationist,” Dick Cheney said on Sunday. The former vice president told ABC’s Jonathan Karl that isolationism “didn’t work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won’t work in the aftermath of 9/11 when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens.” Cheney and the Kentucky senator have been engaging in a tacit back-and-forth all week, and that’s how Cheney dismissed the criticism of the Bush administration’s 2003 invasion of Iraq leveled by Paul in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Friday. In the piece, Paul argued that blaming the current chaos in Iraq on the Obama administration “ignores what President Bush did wrong.” But Paul’s piece was itself a response to Cheney’s own Journal op-ed, which ran in Thursday’s paper. In it, Cheney and his daughter Liz, a former Defense Department official, pinned the chaos spreading through the Middle East around the president’s neck. ”Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” they said. God, this is doing us so many favors among the independents out there which is likely the demo block that is viewing this. more... http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380928/cheney-rand-paul-basically-isolationist-eliana-johnson
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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL): Rand Paul Wrong on IraqBy Greg Richter 22 Jun 2014 01:40 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eic1jXkuyo8Florida Sen. Marco Rubio parted ways with fellow Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky over the use of American air power in Iraq, saying Paul was over the top in his characterization. Paul wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Thursday that U.S. airstrikes would amount to America serving as "Iran's air force" if Iran commits ground troops to the battle against the terror group ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, which has taken over large sections of northern Iraq in recent weeks. "I think that's quite an exaggeration," Rubio said Sunday on "Face the Nation." If the United States does nothing Iran still will be involved, Rubio said, and if Iran helps overthrow ISIS without American help, "You can rest assured that a future Iraqi government will be completely, 100 percent under the influence and in the pocket of Iran." ISIS, the Islamic State in Iran and Syria, wants to set up an Islamic caliphate in the region from which to base its terror attacks. Rubio also differs from Paul on the threat he sees from ISIS. http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/marco-rubio-rand-paul-wrong/2014/06/22/id/578549/Another neocon bestowing fame on the almighty Rand. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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