GOP - Rand Paul's Presidential Highlight Reel w/ his Libertarian Twist

[Keyara]

Didn't pay too much attention to American politic. Whom among them is good for peace and prosperity?

[Chef Ramsay]

Didn't pay too much attention to American politic. Whom among them is good for peace and prosperity?

Welcome to my thread about the only American politician (Senator Rand Paul), whom is likely running for President, who's actually not a smoke screen for the Military Industrial Complex/Big Pharm/Fed Bankers/Political Class and is actually for liberty, peace and prosperity. There are others that are great in the US House and more getting elected as libertarians keep getting a larger stake in the GOP.

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What about the lawyer lobby ?

[Chef Ramsay]

Washington Times editorial board praises Rand's bill to rein in asset forfeiture

EDITORIAL: Stopping police asset-forfeiture predators
Left and right agree that civil-forfeiture laws must be radically reformed


When the public is more afraid of the cops than the bad guys, the system is broken. There’s reason for some law-abiding Americans to worry about their pocketbook becoming lighter after a visit from the lawman. Bonnie and Clyde never pretended to be anything but robbers.

A 64-year-old Texas woman, for example, was accused of being a drug dealer simply because she was carrying cash in her pickup truck from the sale of her land. The cops took her money, though she had never been convicted of a crime in her life. She had to sue in federal court to get all of her money back.

A family grocery store in Michigan was threatened by the IRS for “money laundering” because they handled money in the way their insurance policy required. Car owners giving friends a lift in New York City suffer their vehicles seized because the Taxi Commission thinks they’re operating an illegal cab.

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Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky wants to stop this abuse with a bill that he calls the Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act. It would eliminate the profit motive by requiring law enforcement agencies to send the money seized directly into the Treasury. The act would require cops to follow all applicable state laws, which would put a stop to local jurisdictions that have used federal seizure statutes to evade strict laws. Some states, such as Minnesota, have cracked down on forfeiture abuse.

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Given the gridlock in Washington, this is a proposal that ought to advance, given its wide appeal across party lines. The American Civil Liberties Union has been outspoken on the need to rein in forfeiture laws, and so have conservative and libertarian groups, such as the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute.

Democrats and Republicans alike ought to put this forfeiture reform on President Obama’s desk. It’s a golden opportunity for a bit of bipartisanship in a town that could use some.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/25/editorial-stopping-police-predators/


Radley Balko praises Rand's bill to rein in asset forfeiture

The bill would also require states “to abide by state law when forfeiting seized property.” This is important. Currently, a number of state legislatures across the country have passed reform bills to rein in forfeiture abuses. The problem is that the federal government has a program known as “adoption” or “equitable sharing.” Under the program, a local police agency need only call up the Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or similar federal agency. That agency then “federalizes” the investigation, making it subject to federal law. The federal agency then initiates forfeiture proceedings under the laxer federal guidelines for forfeiture. The feds take a cut and then return the rest — as much as 80 percent — back to the local agency. This trick thwarts the intent of state legislature that have attempted to make civil forfeiture more fair when it comes to burden of proof, protections for innocent property owners and eliminating the perverse incentive of allowing forfeiture proceeds to go to the same police agency that made the seizure.

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/25/rand-paul-introduces-bill-to-reform-civil-asset-forfeiture/

In case anyone is unfamiliar w/ Balko, he's one of the leading critics of the militarization of police in America.

[Chef Ramsay]

What about the lawyer lobby ?

The trial lawyers guild so to say typically support democrats all the way. I'd imagine many prosecutors support republicans because of their perceived 'tough on crime' attitude. You can read about Rand's efforts to reform the criminal justice system from top to bottom and get an idea of where the status quo lawyer lobby would line up. Rand is trying to amass a broad spectrum of support across all people that value individual liberty and less government involvement in our lives. Whether it's reforming the CJ system, stopping illegal NSA spying, using the American military in a more restrained manner, implementing economic freedom zones in inner cities to raise them up on their own instead of using bailouts, Rand is using populist libertarianism and driving it home in his remake of the republican party going forward. Much of the republican establishment and donors desperately want to win the White House while others are content to play the status quo no matter what party is in charge. So, Rand is making himself the candidate w/ the deepest amount of alternative support among those that typically didn't vote republican: minorities and young people. And that's why the polls have been showing him having a leg up on his republican counterparts in theoretical matchups against certain dems, specifically Hillary.

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The trial lawyers guild so to say typically support democrats all the way. I'd imagine many prosecutors support republicans because of their perceived 'tough on crime' attitude. You can read about Rand's efforts to reform the criminal justice system from top to bottom and get an idea of where the status quo lawyer lobby would line up. Rand is trying to amass a broad spectrum of support across all people that value individual liberty and less government involvement in our lives. Whether it's reforming the CJ system, stopping illegal NSA spying, using the American military in a more restrained manner, implementing economic freedom zones in inner cities to raise them up on their own instead of using bailouts, Rand is using populist libertarianism and driving it home in his remake of the republican party going forward. Much of the republican establishment and donors desperately want to win the White House while others are content to play the status quo no matter what party is in charge. So, Rand is making himself the candidate w/ the deepest amount of alternative support among those that typically didn't vote republican: minorities and young people. And that's why the polls have been showing him having a leg up on his republican counterparts in theoretical matchups against certain dems, specifically Hillary.

This guy is a genius. What about subsidiarity ? I think he want to give back to the state as many competence as he can, and keep military, diplomacy, intelligence and some crime investigation on the federal level. I hope i will suppress the EPA, America is the only country with heavy armed ecologist and it seem not be a good idea.

[Predictious]

Here are the odds on Predictious for the most popular contracts:

Candidate	Lay	Back
Hillary Clinton	x1.52	x2.38
Jeb Bush	x1.04	x16.7
Rand Paul	x1.08	x8.33
Chris Christie	x1.06	x9.62
Marco Rubio	x1.05	x10.8
Ted Cruz	x1.03	x18.2
Elizabeth Warren		x18.2
Rob Portman	x1.01	x18.2
Scott Walker	x1.01	x9.71
Paul Ryan	x1.04	x8.2
Mike Huckabee		x2.56
Mitt Romney	x1.02	x2.82
Joe Biden	x1.01	x3.25
Andrew Cuomo	x1.01	x2.56

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@chef ramsay

What's Rand opinion on foreign politic ? I find this article and i find more and more that some people in the libertarian community turn bad:

"It’s hard for me to explain the absurdity of Putin’s libertarians from my perspective. (I live in Ukraine.) It’s like libertarians defending North Korea and claiming that South Korea is a American puppet with US military bases. Certainly the military base is there, but . . . . You get the idea."

http://romaninukraine.com/email-to-a-putin-libertarian/

[AnswerQuestion]

I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.

Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.

I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 

There's more to it than that but yeah, Rand will smoke her like a joint.

The Clintons have gone through a lot of controversy, I am surprised that they still have the amount of political power that they do.

[Chef Ramsay]

@chef ramsay

What's Rand opinion on foreign politic ? I find this article and i find more and more that some people in the libertarian community turn bad:

"It’s hard for me to explain the absurdity of Putin’s libertarians from my perspective. (I live in Ukraine.) It’s like libertarians defending North Korea and claiming that South Korea is a American puppet with US military bases. Certainly the military base is there, but . . . . You get the idea."

http://romaninukraine.com/email-to-a-putin-libertarian/

I'll respond to both you and AQ tomorrow when I get up. Been working like crazy lately and have had less chance to post regularly and in decent detail.

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I'll respond to both you and AQ tomorrow when I get up. Been working like crazy lately and have had less chance to post regularly and in decent detail.

Thanks, you do a lot of effort for free. I read so much contradiction about USA, even in libertarian oriented journal, as some people think you are like any European country now and other you still a place with freedom.

[Chef Ramsay]

@chef ramsay

What's Rand opinion on foreign politic ? I find this article and i find more and more that some people in the libertarian community turn bad:

"It’s hard for me to explain the absurdity of Putin’s libertarians from my perspective. (I live in Ukraine.) It’s like libertarians defending North Korea and claiming that South Korea is a American puppet with US military bases. Certainly the military base is there, but . . . . You get the idea."

http://romaninukraine.com/email-to-a-putin-libertarian/

I would say that many of the people attracted to the Ron Paul libertarian message did so because of the non-interventionist focal point of it that he espoused during his campaigns and beyond. To most people, it came off as blame America first when all it really was was calling it like it is. Problem is, the media of all types (right, left, you name it) was able to demagogue this vein of libertarianism and turn people off to it. Only recently have the people grown tired of foreign intervention as things are getting worse for the average American household. That's how Ron Paul went down in the GOP primary: he was lambasted religiously on Fox and all the major radio talk shows to the tune of hundreds of millions of $ in negative press to republican party primary voters mostly based upon the blame America first meme despite most of these republicans liking everything else he stood for. Believe me, I've dealt w/ this first hand being Pauler.

On to Rand, I'd say he's much like his dad but is better at not giving up his full hand when speaking to the press. A professor goes on and on while cunning fox like Rand keeps things more closer to the vest and only reveals that which will make his issues sound good to the public and keeping them free of media demagoguery. Give a man a rope and he'll hang himself with it - Rand saw what his dad went through and I'm sure he's on a mission of sorts to not only promote liberty but to also make his dad's legacy immaculate. And, we have seen Rand make major inroads in making the Republican party more restrained in making moves abroad. No longer is it the neocon only version of the GOP as the focal point. In fact, whenever the McCain's of the GOP open their mouths, it pushes the average republican more into the Paul camp. If you're asking me what I see in Rand that is meaningful for the world, I'd say he'd likely reign in the CIA and not allow them to play covert games all over the world while shipping weapons, drugs and god knows what else to all these terror cells to get them ready to destabilize certain areas prompting more formal US involvement creating more death and MIC profits. And, then there's the libertarian domestic approach that the USA needs to once again look like it's past prosperous self.

[Chef Ramsay]

I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.

Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.

I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 

There's more to it than that but yeah, Rand will smoke her like a joint.

The Clintons have gone through a lot of controversy, I am surprised that they still have the amount of political power that they do.

When Bill was running back in the 90s, his minions swooped into democratic party office positions (state and district chairs, vice chairs, secretaries, district and state cmte people - the major voting members in local and state parties throughout the country) but was taken over by the Obama community organizers in many areas which gave Obama the nod over Hillary back in '08. Also, through Clinton's Presidency there were a lot of young media personalities that were making their 'come up' during those times that are now seasoned mainstream media mouth pieces on the shows that the "informed drones" frequent for their news. Lastly, the Clintons have a significant history of involvement in criminal syndicates stemming from back at his time as Governor of Arkansas. Many people around them have been indicted and/or served time in prison for the savings and loans scandal, died under suspicious circumstances and we all know about the women that were sexually exploited. Here's some starter links for ya if you're interested to know what lies beneath the surface w/ the Clintons: http://circumspectnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/3-COMPROMISED-Clinton-Bush-CIA.pdf or the cliff notes - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fc_1172782399. There's much more to discuss about the Clinton's past but that's for another thread. Rand has already called out both of them on a few occasions and appears ready to demolish Hillary in debate if he can take her on in the general election

[Chef Ramsay]

Here's a new Rand Paul 2016 promo video that just came out that I'd like for the Bitcoiners of the world to check out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TmPtFij-B0
just under 6 mins

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Thanks for your patience.

[TheButterZone]

Here's a new Rand Paul 2016 promo video that just came out that I'd like for the Bitcoiners of the world to check out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TmPtFij-B0
just under 6 mins

Gah, the volume needs to be leveled out. Too soft, too loud, overdriven...

[beetcoin]

Here's a new Rand Paul 2016 promo video that just came out that I'd like for the Bitcoiners of the world to check out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TmPtFij-B0
just under 6 mins

WTF did i just see.. MSNBC "pundits" almost endorsing rand paul.

[Chef Ramsay]

Here's a new Rand Paul 2016 promo video that just came out that I'd like for the Bitcoiners of the world to check out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TmPtFij-B0
just under 6 mins

WTF did i just see.. MSNBC "pundits" almost endorsing rand paul.

My guess is they're trying to stoke division in the GOP circles but at the same time, these leftists do like it when they can get a republican to speak on some of their issues. That's what Rand Paul is is a hybrid. You can see him unveil his lefty libertarian elements in a populist way here just like he's done for those that would agree w/ him from the right. Check out this recent discussion (today) on the Roland Martin Show (has pretty big black following and from the south) where the subtitle, "Stuck on stupid partisans who attack Rand Paul need to stop tripping" describes the content when Rand Paul was being discussed. On one hand you have partisan liberal hacks that realize that Rand is stepping in their territory with substantive policy efforts and they're trying to steer their people away from at saying that it's just posturing or trying to play the black folk. Martin and people like him are the ones that are clearing the smoke so more black folks seeing that you can work w/ those that agree w/ you on a few issues. One guy on the panel likened some of these blacks that say you can't work w/ Paul cause he's white or is a republican by saying that: when slaves wanted to be free they didn't turn down help from those that were part of the southern underground railroad. It's pretty animating to hear these folks talk about Rand considering Rand has made criminal justice reform issues a focal point in his libertarian message. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9v5lo0XTQ#t=498

Yall can also check out Roland's website and get an idea for his demo's interests: http://rolandmartinreports.com/

[Chef Ramsay]

Senator Rand Paul Kicks off State Wide Tour of Iowa (1st caucus in the nation for 2016)

WASHINGTON, DC - On August 4, 2014, Senator Rand Paul will travel to Council Bluffs, Iowa to kick off a three day tour of the hawkeye state. Multiple events are open to accredited media.
Monday, August 4

Iowa GOP Council Bluffs Victory Office
231 South Main Street
Council Bluffs, IA51503
12:30 p.m.

Iowa GOP Sioux City Victory Office
2526 Glen Avenue
Sioux City, IA 51106
3:00 p.m.

Steve King for Congress Fundraiser
The Barefoot Bar
24457 178th Street
Okoboji, IA 51355
6:30 p.m.


Tuesday, August 5

Cerro Gordo GOP Fundraiser
Mason City Airport Restaurant
9184 265th Street
Clear Lake, IA50428
8:00 a.m.

Iowa GOP Cedar Rapids Victory Office
1340 Blairs Ferry Road
Hiawatha, IA 52233
10:30 a.m.

Mariannette Miller-Meeks for Congress Fundraiser
The University Club
1360 Melrose Avenue
Iowa City, IA 52246
Noon

Von Maur Corporate Headquarters Tour/Speech
727 Veterans Memorial Parkway
Davenport, IA 52806
2:00 p.m.
2:30 p.m. media avail

Iowa GOP Davenport Victory Office
311 W. Kimberly Road
Davenport, IA 52806
3:00 p.m.


Wednesday, August 6

Westside Conservative Club Breakfast
Machine Shed Restaurant
11151 Hickman Road
Urbandale, IA 50322
7:15 a.m.

Iowa GOP Des Moines Victory Office
2775 86th St.
Urbandale, IA 50322
8:30 a.m.

So what you say?

He's been through there plenty of times before doing fundraising and the like but this is more of a political infrastructure build up mission to where he's continuing to forge relationships w/ party officials, office holders and donors early on. Get the machine oiled up early and keep lining up the ducks.

[Bit_Happy]

Senator Rand Paul Kicks off State Wide Tour of Iowa (1st caucus in the nation for 2016)

WASHINGTON, DC - On August 4, 2014, Senator Rand Paul will travel to Council Bluffs, Iowa to kick off a three day tour of the hawkeye state. Multiple events are open to accredited media.
Monday, August 4

Iowa GOP Council Bluffs Victory Office
231 South Main Street
Council Bluffs, IA51503
12:30 p.m.

Iowa GOP Sioux City Victory Office
2526 Glen Avenue
Sioux City, IA 51106
3:00 p.m.

Steve King for Congress Fundraiser
The Barefoot Bar
24457 178th Street
Okoboji, IA 51355
6:30 p.m.


Tuesday, August 5

Cerro Gordo GOP Fundraiser
Mason City Airport Restaurant
9184 265th Street
Clear Lake, IA50428
8:00 a.m.

Iowa GOP Cedar Rapids Victory Office
1340 Blairs Ferry Road
Hiawatha, IA 52233
10:30 a.m.

Mariannette Miller-Meeks for Congress Fundraiser
The University Club
1360 Melrose Avenue
Iowa City, IA 52246
Noon

Von Maur Corporate Headquarters Tour/Speech
727 Veterans Memorial Parkway
Davenport, IA 52806
2:00 p.m.
2:30 p.m. media avail

Iowa GOP Davenport Victory Office
311 W. Kimberly Road
Davenport, IA 52806
3:00 p.m.


Wednesday, August 6

Westside Conservative Club Breakfast
Machine Shed Restaurant
11151 Hickman Road
Urbandale, IA 50322
7:15 a.m.

Iowa GOP Des Moines Victory Office
2775 86th St.
Urbandale, IA 50322
8:30 a.m.

So what you say?

He's been through there plenty of times before doing fundraising and the like but this is more of a political infrastructure build up mission to where he's continuing to forge relationships w/ party officials, office holders and donors early on. Get the machine oiled up early and keep lining up the ducks.

I think it's funny a state like Iowa is able to have so much influence. 
Seriously, caucus states are great for the rare candidates who have (unpaid) supporters who actually care, because it can take a lot more effort than a simple vote in a primary.