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July 05, 2014, 09:50:15 AM
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Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.

Where, and in what context?

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July 05, 2014, 01:29:13 PM
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Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.

Where, and in what context?

IIRC few days ago commander Strelkov accused Russia for denying rebels any kind of support. In his words, Russia threw them all to the mercy of fate. Then there are figures in Russia like for example hardliner Alexander Dugin, saying that when people in Donbass started the revolt everyone expected Russian troops to help. Or at least a steady supply channel. Instead, they've got isolation. They see Putin negotiates with those in Kiev whom they consider war criminals, a "junta", while their homes are getting destroyed and bodycount going up each day.
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July 05, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
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A sign of where Ukrainian conflict could lead? Victims of mortar attack stand before their flaming home, like a scene from the Eastern Front in the Second World War
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677613/American-military-advisers-masterminding-Ukraines-surge-against-pro-Russian-separatists-bid-expand-Nato-east.html

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   Ukrainian officials said one border guard was killed during a mortar strike
    Villages in the Lugansk region were targeted, engulfing homes in flames
    Scenes resemble the trail of destruction left by Hitler's army 70 years ago
    Buildings were set ablaze by ground and air forces between 1941 and 1943



Events in E. Ukraine ‘beginning of ethnic cleansing campaign’
http://rt.com/op-edge/170592-cleansing-campaign-eastern-ukraine/

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Any future peace talks between Kiev and the self-proclaimed eastern republics will be about their surrender, Daniel McAdams, the Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute, told RT, adding that Ukrainian authorities are carrying out ethnic cleansing.

RT: Do you agree with President Poroshenko that civilians are not being targeted and the army is liberating the east of the country?

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July 05, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
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President Poroshenko Uses RAND Corporation “Action Plan” for Eastern Ukraine including Ground Assaults and Air Strikes
http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-poroshenko-uses-rand-corporation-action-plan-for-eastern-ukraine-including-ground-assaults-and-air-strikes/5389795

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Confidential document on Ukraine by the RAND Corporation leaked. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko follows the action plan proposed by RAND analysts.

This Memorandum on the “advisable course of action” automatically means that the peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is slated  to fail.




Read Mop-up stage. USA is basically advising creation of concentration camps!
They also talk about expropriation and resettlement of the killers into the homes of their victims.
And they also advise to isolate the area from journalists - total information blockade!

These steps are so 1942!

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July 06, 2014, 07:09:16 AM
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Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.

The Serbian public opinion was against providing military assistance to the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. Milosevic lost elections to an anti-nationalist politician a few years later (Boris Tadić).
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July 07, 2014, 11:40:09 AM
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The Serbian public opinion was against providing military assistance to the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia.

Then it's another similarity because according to VCIOM (Russian Public Opinion Research Center) 2/3 of Russians are against military involvement in Ukraine. As for the Milosevic: he didn't care about public opinion. He was pursuing his goals until being hit with UN sanctions, at which point he forgot everything he was saying before and turned his back on people he pushed into the war.

More on this subject from commander Strelkov:
"I seriously believe that we are dealing not with the Russian President’s deliberate betrayal of Novorossiya, but with a systemic sabotage by his oligarchy and top officials. I say this because the defeat of Ukraine’s southeast would plainly be fatal for Putin, both as a Russian leader and as a man. It would mean an irreversible step down to Milosevic’s path who once surrendered in Bosnia and Croatia under similar circumstances, was later finished off in Kosovo, and finally “expired” in The Hague prison."
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July 07, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
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More on the RAND "plan":

'US too embarrassed to advocate war crimes to Ukraine, subcontracts job to RAND'
http://rt.com/op-edge/170860-ukraine-rand-corporation-plan/

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RAND Corp. is hired by Washington insiders to play games for them, indicating that despite all the money spent on national security and intelligence the US government is not up to the task, Chronicles magazine’s Srdja Trifkovich told RT.

A confidential document on Ukraine by the RAND Corporation was leaked last week. This ‘Memorandum on the advisable course of action’ provides three stages of a military operation in eastern Ukraine, which would ensure that a peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would actually fail.

Also this is a well-formulated description of the situation:

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You mentioned also Poroshenko’s peace plan. There is not peace plan, for goodness sake. This is really a demand for unconditional surrender. He says that he would talk after the so-called rebels lay down their weapons and allow the Ukrainian authorities to process them and to see who is culpable and who is innocent. That is a joke of a peace plan and even referring to it as a peace plan indirectly condones it, and that shouldn’t be done.

Poroshenko does not want peace. Poroshenko wants unconditional surrender of the eastern self-defense forces, and of course Kiev used the rhetoric of peace, but the kind of peace Poroshenko has in mind has been aptly described by an ancient Roman when he said of the Roman Empire, “They create a desert and they call it peace.” Poroshenko and the Galician fascists want to create a desert in Lugansk, Donetsk oblast and they will then call it “peace” and “a great and glorious victory.” Russia has to intervene. We are way passed the diplomatic niceties and games with the threats of sanctions.

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July 07, 2014, 03:36:03 PM
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Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.

Where, and in what context?

IIRC few days ago commander Strelkov accused Russia for denying rebels any kind of support. In his words, Russia threw them all to the mercy of fate. Then there are figures in Russia like for example hardliner Alexander Dugin, saying that when people in Donbass started the revolt everyone expected Russian troops to help. Or at least a steady supply channel. Instead, they've got isolation. They see Putin negotiates with those in Kiev whom they consider war criminals, a "junta", while their homes are getting destroyed and bodycount going up each day.

I perfectly remember the train of events on 08.08.08 (that is Georgian intervention in South Ossetia). People who fought in Tskhinvali (capital of South Ossetia) also began cursing Russia for not sending troops when civilians were dying there. Ultimately, it turned out that Putin's actions were perfectly timed, and after the dust settled, Georgia had been universally recognized as an aggressor.

So, my point is that it is yet too early to cry wolf! Smiley
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July 07, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
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Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent some ruling elites from using double speak... They're constantly talking about "violent occupation of 25% of Georgian territory" despite a fact that Georgia had been recognized as an aggressor.

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July 07, 2014, 07:04:47 PM
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Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent some ruling elites from using double speak... They're constantly talking about "violent occupation of 25% of Georgian territory" despite a fact that Georgia had been recognized as an aggressor.

In any case, the game in Donetsk and Lugansk is far from being over yet. The first Chechen war culminated in the Battle of Grozny in August 1996 when the federal forces at first had conquered the city, but later had to conclude a ceasefire agreement with Chechen rebels after the latter regained control of it, and sign a humiliating peace treaty a year later (the Khasavyurt Accord).
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July 08, 2014, 06:27:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG6aB1tS5EI

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July 08, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
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when the federal forces
Thank for that US puppet mr. Eltsin.

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July 08, 2014, 08:06:57 PM
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July 08, 2014, 09:19:10 PM
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Lugansk bombing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAFCH-qECk

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July 08, 2014, 10:38:52 PM
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Civilians under torture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-8FRIK36c

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July 09, 2014, 07:41:07 AM
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There are many such cases.
Last week a local Russian boy went to visit his girlfriend in the Ukraine, who lives in a village just across the border. He was captured by Nazional Army thugs, tortured with electricity, and needles under fingernails, his hand was burnt through. He was then tied to a tree in a small forest on the border, left to die. He was accidentally discovered and saved by the border patrol.
The Nazis tried to torture out of him a confession that he is working for Russian secret service.

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July 09, 2014, 12:44:50 PM
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‘Civil war can never be the response in Ukraine’
http://rt.com/op-edge/171492-ukraine-civil-war-violence/

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UN figures are always more important than opinions and doubts, and in the case of Ukraine they point to the catastrophic situation there, former Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini told RT.

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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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July 10, 2014, 12:23:19 PM
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The worst has happened: Ljasho's men came to Slavjansk:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404979158
People flee for their lives as ethnic cleansing takes more grotesque forms.



In the meantime:
Ukrainian refugees precipitate emergency situation in 6 Russian regions
http://rt.com/politics/171772-russia-emergency-ukraine-refugees/

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Six Russian regions have introduced emergency situation plans, and two more could do so soon as people keep fleeing from the combat and destruction in South East Ukraine.

A state of emergency has been declared in the Rostov, Volgograd, Astrakhan, and Stavropol regions, in the Republic of Kalmykia and in the city of Sevastopol, Deputy Emergencies Minister Vladimir Artamonov told reporters on Thursday. The current situation has also prompted the “regime of increased readiness” in Belgorod and Voronezh regions, he added.

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Ukrainian citizens can stay in Russia for 90 days without obtaining a visa and many people have simply delayed their application and dealt with more urgent issues. Also, the arrivals could fear the lengthy process and long queues.

The Federal Migration Service has proposed a quick and simplified way to grant temporary asylum to Ukrainian refugees in a bill that was posted on the government portal for public discussion last week. 

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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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July 10, 2014, 12:52:19 PM
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NEWSFLASH:

Kiev military op death toll includes 478 civilians – Ukraine Health Ministry
http://rt.com/news/171808-eastern-ukraine-civilians-killed/

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Four hundred and seventy-eight civilians, including seven children, have been killed in Kiev’s military crackdown on the eastern regions of Ukraine, the country’s Health Ministry said, adding that this death toll is higher than losses among combatants.

"The amount on civilian casualties is, unfortunately, greater than the military ones,” Vasily Lazoryshynets, deputy health minister, said as cited by ITAR-TASS.

If it's official Kiev reporting this number, then multiply it by 3 or 4.

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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July 13, 2014, 02:35:15 PM
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"This girl was 6 years old. She died Slovyansk (eastern Ukraine) from the projectile - howitzers by massive bombing residential areas of the National Guard of Ukraine on June 8 in 13 hours. 15min."  Cry
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