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for us Ukrainians the only question is how to remove them from our territory without allowing them to take chunks of it with them

We cannot live together with them after this war; they will either be killed or pushed out.
 (http://www.sott.net/article/278894-Kiev-lets-loose-Men-in-Black-Death-Squads-on-East-Ukrainian-Civilians)

Attacks have been reported against the non-Russian ethnic minorities also. The Right Sector is actually attacking all the minority ethnic groups, including the ethnic Russians. They are harassing the Rusyns and Magyars in Transcarpathia, they are attacking the Romanians in Chernivtsi and they are creating problems for the Gagauz and the Bulgars of Odessa.

http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENXlDTwcvI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvSYtpev4dg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKvusbO0WU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InmSUFrQwsA

Rusyn leader from Transcarpathia: "They consider us Moskals because Ruthenia destroys the myth about the Galician origin of Ukrainians. There are some 800,000 Rusyns in Transcarpathia, along with 140,000 Magyars and 40,000 Romanians.

http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2014/5/14/22352750

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwCz4hp8W20

11-year old ethnic Russian girl rescued from Right Sector extremists in the city of Slavyansk, Donetsk Oblast.

Special operation gets Russian 11-yo back home from besieged Ukrainian town

http://rt.com/news/159920-russian-girl-slavyansk-besieged

This is a brutal mass murder ..........sad we don't learn nothing from history
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html?page=3

Did read thought this whole article...is it for real or just conspiracy?

Unfortunately, it's real just like air in your room or calcium in your bones. There are hundreds of witnesses and dozens of proofs, but ukrainian officials simply don't care.

Slavyansk

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/14037179419_0feda4bc62_o.jpg

Just read it. This is what is called aftermath of a war. Same happened at Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) after the 71 war. Millions of Bangladeshi Hindus had to leave Bangladesh and struggle for decades in India to get a roof over their head.

civil house bombed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1u7B7K-J2s

Shoot both sides and they'll start killing each other. 1990 in Latvia, 1993 in Russia, 2014 in Ukraine and many many other examples of usage. It's a standard strategy which is used since 1960s.

They don't know it. Gunshots were made ​​when people were unable to assess a current situation adequately. They were misinformed about what's happening... Sometimes it's a message about bomb threat or, another example, what armed soldiers are coming. Purpose of such message is introduce a panic before the shooting, that's necessary for successful provocation.

You are talking about Kiev footage?
Kiev "Government of Victory" hide bullets from corps of victims and cut some threes.
Ask them why.

Footage from Kiev.
One guy put laser pointer in to holes in trees, and trajectory of shoots are clearly from buildings under full control by "Maidan rebels".
That was a german investigation, see it in youtube.

4:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJ-ucnyPU

I suppose that you mean this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-hVF_sbYU

It's a few dozens of unarmed people who were sent there, as the sacrifice. One who sent them there, knew that would happen to them.

Yep, at least the most of them. There were some georgians, belarusians and russians too.

Yats & co should prepare themselves for tribunal... Their illusion of power wouldn't keep them from punishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQNGk9e9kz8

I have a business contacts, but I'm not living there anymore.  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FiI07xnHts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vFQDObHI1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjeVNJZRmo

It's a business. "Somebody" need to develop a shale gas deposits, but it seems that fracking will be banned soon in the US & EU due to ecological problems. So "they" want to take control over the country with rich shale gas deposits and absence of strong ecological movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYi-IrNgH8g

The Ukrainians are in no position to start cleaning ethnic Russians from their territory, even if some of them deserve it.
That would alienate western support and could be invoked by Russia to make another armed intervention, this time with the silence of the rest of the world (not that the world has done much about Crimeia).
Play like Serbia on 1999 and you can end like it, losing another Kosovo.

I live in EU, and i'm ethnic Russian.

You need explore some hystory of "Ukraine" and see the map and ethnic concentrations.

1. There is a strong anti neo nazi movement, and it is by both sides supported, by russian speaking ukrainian and by ukrainian speaking ukrainians.
I think no one in US TV not explain to you slogans of ukrainian neo nazi about "kill all Russians" (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2+%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8).

2. People in Russian Federation watch with attention on Genocide of Russian speaking in Ukraine.

3. Locals will wait not more on military help from UN, and take power trough referendum.

Here are some news from first hands:
http://rusvesna.su/english
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon/videos

The media isolation of Donbass in western TV is the same as about albanian terrorists, that shoot Serbian police cars. Operation against terrorists will be presented as "terror against Albanian minority.
You call it "Play like Serbia"?

Now we have Internet, and local video bloggers show the real picture.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77

https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront - Лyгaнcк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront1 -Дoнeцк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront2 -Cлaвянcк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront3 -Oдecca
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront4 -Дoнeцк

And there are others. Well, the shit news channels are under pressure of video hosted on VK.com ,  Youtube and streamers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ca1eOa5gM

I was talking about the mass expulsion of albanians from Kosovo (of course, the major part of them had nothing to do with  albanians terrorists) after the NATO bombing started. A wrong (the bombing) doesn't justify a massive wrong against all people. I have serious doubts that Serbia used excessive force before the bombing started.

On the ethnic Russians in Ukraine, I understand their desire to unite with Russia and their suspicions on the new Ukrainian government, but they started picking up arms (with the help of some coming from Crimea, I don't know armed by whom: Russia?) before serious problems started.

How about mass illegal immigration from Albania to Kosovo? Exploding Churches, offering place to bases of Al-Qaeda In Albania?

If You will, you find all about episode of shooting on Serbian police cars.

Confront russian and english version on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_massacre


About Russians in Ukraine - they will not die from hands of neo nazi and are resisting on operation, that is planned for pushing out Russians or killing them, and it is pronounced by armed "Ukrainians", see topic start.

Armed by whom?
You have no info about in Your TV and News?

Watch please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUtBuRlcYI8 Ukrainian army and police and special forces give Kalashnikov and other weapons in many other episodes (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA).
In Solntsedar is huge (HUGE) arsenal in hand of Donetsk Repulic.

WW2 anti tank gun
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9492/27652091.2b9/0_8ec3e_8ce6f66f_XL.jpg

Human rights watch writes that the Serbians expelled more than 800,000 ethnic Albanians from Kosovo in 1999, after the bombing started (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword.htm). If you think this was justified on "illegal immigration" or even on terrorism by a minority of albanians, well, I wonder if you think your position is reasonable... but forget about it, no point debating this issue.

I have little doubt that the KLA did terrorist attacks against serbian civilians and ethnic albanians considerer as "traitors", much worst than its attacks against the special Serbian police.

No use posting videos in russian, I can't understand a thing. Are you saying that the Ukrainian Government armed the ethnic Russians on Crimea?

I have no personal interest in the conflict. Since I'm aware western press hasn't been fair on Russia on this issue, I'm willing to read other versions, but only with some factual support.

Only a small portion of the Albanians decided to flee from Kosovo (most of them family members of the KLA terrorists). Compare that to the Serbs, who lost more than 80% of their population. There was no mass expulsion of Albanians. The only mass expulsion which happened in Kosovo was for the ethnic Serbs and other minorities such as the Roma.

I guess you most have a more reliable source about that surprising new version of the facts you wrote about than the one I just quoted above, Human Rights Watch.

If You will, You can start some topic about Kosovo.

If you will read in english...  use babylon translator, google translator...

https://truthinukraine.wordpress.com/

http://rt.com/on-air/
http://en.ria.ru/
http://en.itar-tass.com/

http://lifenews.ru/watch-live
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=onair
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSplus/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon/videos

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77

https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront - Лyгaнcк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront1 -Дoнeцк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront2 -Cлaвянcк
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront3 -Oдecca
https://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront4 -Дoнeцк

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2eCSM5z4bo

Surprising new version of facts. Now let's talk about the census figures which were conducted under the supervision of the NATO.

According to the latest census, Kosovo is home to some 1,616,869 Albanians and some 25,532 Serbs. Twenty years ago, it was 1,596,072 and 194,190 respectively.

As we can see, the number of the Albanians increased by 1.3%, while that of the Serbs declined by 87%. Still you are having doubts about my version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjshy2Qva0

Neo nazi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlsDw0_7mBo

I'm following it for some time but i thought that that mass murder in that building was something more accidental not so good planed...

To understand the dynamics of the Odessa massacre you should watch the videos referenced here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=606721.msg6701218#msg6701218

The whole thing was well-coordinated. Also, there is a recording of one of the organisers reporting the day before the massacre to a Kiev-representative Parubij that everything is ready and that the local police is informed on what to do.

When Muslims burn people alive, it’s called terrorism. When Ukrainians do it, it’s called “Russia’s fault”:

http://themadjewess.com/2014/05/06/odessa-when-muslims-burn-people-alive-its-called-terrorism-when-ukrainians-do-it-its-called-russias-fault/

Yes, is real and is happening now,in 2014,under our nose.

Their finish is came closer... Renat Akhmetov's call against Donetsk Republic has been failed today. I suppose that next steps are:

1. removal of his puppets from the power;
2. deportation.

It will be interesting to see the reaction from Putin as well. Akhmetov is having business interests in Russia, as well as in the EU. If he sides with the EU, then he will incur loses in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8HjGOWTL3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlgk2-ZM4o

http://rusvesna.su/news/1400607313

Shelling of civilian homes in Slavjansk. People are left without homes or dead. An unreported humanitarian disaster happening yet again.

Some think this a scorched earth policy to exterminate people from the city of Slavjansk so as to start prospecting for shale gas on this territory.

http://lifenews.ru/news/133591

There's no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine - Stalin (a Russophile) already did 99.9% of it back in the late 1940s and 1950s.  


Stalin relocated the Tatars to Central Asia - only a small number returned
Stalin relocated all the Poles (200,000+) in Ukraine to Poland, in Operation Vistula.  
Stalin rounded up any Germans on Ukrainian soil and sent them to Central Asia
Stalin scared the Jews so bad that most fled for America and Israel.


It was ironically Stalin, despite Ukrainians who hate him, who otherwise made Ukraine a relatively homogenous nation (with Ukrainian and Russian language) from an ethnic point of view.  

Russia itself isn't homogenous either - it's technically less homogenous than Ukraine.  If Slavic is the race then Russia is very heterogeneous from all the Finnic people, the Asians / Tatars in Siberia and then the Caucasians in Caucasia.

 It was Khrushchev who had to complicate things by transferring Crimea over to Ukrainian SSR, as Crimea was populated by Russians who descended from Russian Russians who didn't have anything to do with Ukrainian people or culture.  

Khruschev could had avoided a lot of problems had he transferred Kuban (instead of Crimea) to Ukraine.  Kuban was already full of Ukrainians (Kuban Cossacks who descend from Zaporozhe Cossacks from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, although they are Russophile and speak Russian).

 At least that way, Russia could have had help in the 1990s against the Chechens and all the Georgian crap would be Ukraine's problem.   ;D

When Stalin deported the Tatars from Crimea to Uzbekistan, the peninsula was a part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. And he deported a total of 230,000 Tatars. Now Crimea is home to more than 300,000 Tatars. So it is factually incorrect to say that only a small number returned. Almost all of them returned, unlike the Poles and the Germans.

A million of them? No way. Take the population of ethnic Ukrainians for example. In 1939, they numbered some 28 million and right now, they number less than 40 million. The Crimean Tatars numbered 230,000 in 1939. Now they number 300,000 in Ukraine, plus some 100,000 in other countries. The rate of growth seems to be similar to that of the Russians and Ukrainians.

As a Russian, whose family suffered from Stalin's repressions, I take an offence when someone calls Stalin/Dzhugashvili for a Russophile. You can call him equally hateful of all nations, his own Georgian including. The number of ethnic Russians that Stalin deported/relocated to the Baltics, Kazahstan, Tatarstan, as well as internally within RSFSR counts in millions.

Have to agree. Out of some 20 million or so people who died in the repressions of Stalin, close to 15 million were Russians. That is a staggering 75% of the victims, much higher than the share of ethnic Russians in the Soviet population (around 58%).

So aside of the pressure from Russia now there's also a major "civil war' going on there.

Don't know what you mean by "pressure from Russia", but yes, there is a civil war there. Or what does one call Ukrainian artillery shelling a Ukrainian city or killing of Ukrainian citizens by Ukrainian army and Ukrainian extremist groups?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0joRJ4u6yAo

I'd chose pressure from Russia over the ethnic cleansing by the Kiev junta anyday. The sham elections are just a few days away. The junta wants to make sure that no one from the East votes in it.

https://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/orign_wm/public/gouj2q3im3q_1.jpg

https://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/orign_wm/public/ukszfof11m4.jpg

Ceгoдня, 21 мaя, в пoлдeнь, в микpopaйoнe Bocтoчный в peзyльтaтe oбcтpeлa yкpaинcкими вoeнными paзpyшeнo тpи дoмa.

B тpaвмaтoлoгичecкoe oтдeлeниe гopбoльницы им. Лeнинa дocтaвлeны тpoe пocтpaдaвшиx. Пo cлoвaм coтpyдникoв oтдeлeния, дeтeй cpeди ниx нeт.

Bo вpeмя yтpeннeгo oбcтpeлa cнapяд пoпaл нa бaлкoн пятиэтaжнoгo дoмa нa yл. Кopoлeвa, 26.

К cчacтью, никтo из жильцoв нe пocтpaдaл, бoeпpипac нe paзopвaлcя. Bидимыx paзpyшeний нa дoмe нeт.

Haчaльник cлaвянcкoгo oтдeлa здpaвooxpaнeния Eлeнa Джим в cвoю oчepeдь cooбщилa, чтo paнeныe в бoльницы гopoдa ceгoдня нe пocтyпaли.

Кaк зaявил Игopь Cтpeлкoв, нoчью yкpaинcкиe вoeнныe нaчaли пpиcтpeлкy цeнтpa гopoдa. Пoкa — тoлькo бoлвaнкaми. Oдин из тaкиx «cнapядoв» и yгoдил в бaлкoн. Кpoмe тoгo, пo eгo зaявлeнию, тpи бoлвaнки были нaйдeны в paйoнe иcпoлкoмa.

B Cлaвянcкe, 20 мaя, вo вpeмя yтpeннeгo oбcтpeлa пocтpaдaли нecкoлькo жилыx дoмoв в чacтнoм ceктope в paйoнe жeлeзнoдopoжнoгo пepeeздa пo дopoгe c ж.-д. вoкзaлa нa Maшмeт.

http://rusvesna.su/news/1400686465

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHr2qFEquJQ

EXTREMELY GRAFFIC VIDEO Right Sector kills ex police chief of Donetsk (Kostyantyn Pozhydayev):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4Drl6KBdc

BTW... Akhmetov called on workers in all his factories to carry out a mini-strike each day - and nothing happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sVlYtNSaY

What is that picture or paper saying?

off topic , is there any translator for images that can detect text in a picture like OCR?

Hmm, what a load... I haven't decided if it's propaganda or anti-propaganda.

The leaflet asks in no uncertain terms that Ukrainians who work or study in Russia should return and fight for Ukraine, eliminating all resistance in the south-east, pushing people there into Russia, and eliminating the Jews in Odessa. It promises pay of $1500 to $6000 to those joining armed forces. It says the president of the US guarantees all students who return, a place in the American, Canadian or British universities, and the EU guarantees all workers who return a workplace on EU territory. And it merrily finished with assertion that all Ukrainians will be provided with housing/flats, previously inhabited by Russian-speakers or Jews. And gibbers about great Ukrainian Nation and its destiny to do great thing.

(From me: Yes the Kiev Right Sector thugs are going "great things, terrible, yes, but great". Ollivander put it really well).
(Another note, regarding pay. The resistance in the south-east are risking their lives without any pay for defend their homeland. Those who need payment to defend their nation are no patriots. Besides, the leaflet fails to mention a free bullet to anyone who later changes their mind...)

Thanks for the translation. That is one piece of garbage as I see it. Nobody sane enough would believe such thing.

One thing , it is written in russian or in ukrainean ?

Promising to push out Russians from Ukraine and give appartaments and houses to Ukrainians, who live actually in Russian Federation.
Ethnic cleansing propaganda.

This is directed to Ukrainians in Russian Federation. Many of them use Russian as first language.
Text is in Russian.

No idea about where image is taken. (use google image search/tineye)

Well , that does it.
It looks even more stupid this way. At least use your native language if you call yourself nationalist.

LOL
"Ukrainian Neo Nazi" use Russian language.
See this footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw4CBAFY28E

It's written in Russian. There is on little detail, though.
In Russian "to Ukraine" is written as "na Ukrainu", while the Ukrainian form is "v Ukrainu". The poster uses Ukrainian form.

More trouble for the Kiev junta.  ;D

90% of the Transcarpathians want to secede from Ukraine, says Mayor of Uzhgorod, S Ratushnjack.

http://forum.krasnodona.net/topic/297-90-zakarpatja-hotjat-otdelitsja-ot-ukraini/

It makes perfect sense:

Uzhgorod Mayor Sergei Ratushnyak during a chat conference broke another portion of statements on political and historical themes "This decree is necessary to cancel ... - said the mayor of Viktor Yushchenko conferring the title of Hero of Ukraine General Shukhevich. - As for the citizen by the name of Yushchenko, elected in the third round, not the legislation, it is the man who came to power in such a way as if torn glands, crawling through the anus. Seen through the anus and he will "- added Ratushnjack. "Regarding all the entire history of Galicia and the UPA. There is a truth that someone fought against Soviet rule from them. Then why did they fight, they argue, fascism is not recognized by Europeans as did the struggle against fascism? Basically, the world is polar: Moscow and was Berlin was Hitler. If he was against Moscow, so he was in the Hitler coalition, therefore, in coalition with the Third Reich. It is also true that stry, Sambor and Lviv - children, old men and women met in beautiful cotton dresses, with flowers and festive shoes entrance there Hitler coalition. It's true. But if we re-did for it will continue to hate each other, we must recognize that a project called "Ukraine" frustrated than successfully uses ethnicity, which after all was a contribution, although the least affected in this war, and it successfully enjoys "- quoted from the Transcarpathian nugget-UA. "Almost every one of our regions - is a subculture. Also Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi and Crimean there are about a dozen subcultures. So if we do not love ourselves as one people, beautiful and unique in its diversity - we are a failed state. And the best option for us - Yugoslav scenario, so no blood passed, otherwise it will be bloody, "- stated Ratushnjack. "Do not just do federalization, we get at least 6 of the individual," - said the mayor. "We have more than 90% in Transcarpathia want to be separated. This is a serious fact, and this must be considered, "- declared the mayor of Uzhgorod. Earlier, Yushchenko issued a decree number 965/2007 dated October 12, awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine Shukhevich with awarding the Order of the State (posthumously).


Am I the only one in this thread not reading russian?

Seems as a copy&paste of ww2 propaganda leaflets. It's not funny, unfortunately.

Like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-GERMAN-PROPAGANDA-LEAFLET-POSTER-for-WESTERN-UKRAINE-GALICIA-/181243159817?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a32ef2509

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n566/worldwarsecond/THIRD-REICH/NaziLeaflet/rare_original_ww2_nazi_germany_leaflet_2.jpg

Children of Slavyansk playing war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKrW_YqcFro

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/22/article-0-1E18BDF300000578-111_634x423.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/22/article-0-1E18BF3F00000578-727_634x424.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636194/Pro-Russian-militants-storm-checkpoint-kill-11-soldiers-loyal-Kiev-deadliest-clash-east-Ukraine-insurgency.html

More trash from the Daily Mail. Only a small mention about the civilians killed and property destroyed by the Right Sector. And the article claims that the Donetsk People's Army was responsible for the Volnovakha incident, although it seems now that the Kolomoysky bandits were responsible for it. No mention about Kolomoysky in the article as well.

I may be wrong bt i feel in name of  'Ethnic cleansing' brutility is done. It destoys many cultural heritage of the world

Ukraine Crisis: Hands Off Transcarpathia!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/ukraine-crisis-hands-off_b_5358893.html

Any conflict with Transcarpathia will be fatal for Kiev's junta. The number of weapons here is larger than the number of people. It's better to give them what they want before they'll shoot them all.

I find it interesting to observe how such articles fail to notice the elephant in the room.

Statements from the article:
1. Russia seeks to to "grab" South-Eastern territories
 (1a. historic fact: Russian territory of Novorossia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Lenin in 1917-1918)
2. Transcarpathia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Stalin after WWII.
4. Western minorities seek independence.
5. Kiev should preserve territorial integrity.

From all that it follows that UN-prescribed self-determination of peoples is bad, that restoring historical justice is bad, that keeping a country united against the will of the people by use of force is good.

Much more interesting that Transcarpathia ideologically closer to the eastern regions than its neighbors. This can be seen in the results of elections as well.

I wouldn't say it is ideologically closer to the Eastern regions. The Party of the Regions used to get 70%-90% of the vote in the East, while only around 30%-40% in Transacarpathia. The support is higher in the minority inhabited areas (Hungarian, Romanian).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWhisBztb44

You're still reading that paper? That ain't no newspaper it's a piece of electronic toilet paper.

Wasn't it also illegally annexed by the Russians in 1944?
And I don't thin this is the only region with problems.

Just to make sure , you're referring to this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia
not the one the Romanians claim?

Yes, that one. Though the Romanian claim is valid as well.
In 1944 the war was still raging. It's what happened after 1945, which territories were annexed, or kept as trophies, that counts. As well as what the people who live on these territories want to do with them now.

The map of Europe was changed dramatically after the WW2. USSR gained new territories, while Germany lost its outlying regions. But the important factor is that, other countries also gained new territories (such as France and Poland).

If this is genuine, it's pretty serious.

The highlighted paragraph and the one above read:


The leaflet itself describes what information the resistance have, based on the radio communication intercepts. It also informs which apeas suffered shelling from the coup government artillery. Semjonovka was already shelled from 30mm stations, while radio communications indicate that there is a preparation to shell Semjonovka from 152mm howitzers.

One round or shelling started after a French reporter in the city used flash, which was misinterpreted by the coup bandits as military activity.

The Nazi Danger — A Letter from Odessa

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-nazi-danger-a-letter-from-odessa/5382789

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiOvXmJNZE

A very good open letter, written by a teacher.

This is exactly what Right Sector is all about.

Ukraine’s Right Sector militants reportedly shoot 30 soldiers for laying down arms

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/732800

There are no Russians in Ukraine anymore - Crimea was the only real area populated by ethnic Russians and it's been re-annexed into Russia.


Your people idea of "Russians" are these ethnically Ukrainian Kuban Cossacks mercenaries who are correctly fighting the Ukrainian Army, but fail to realize that these people are all ethnic Ukrainian.  Kuban Cossacks descend from Zaporozhye Cossacks who were predominately ethnic Ukrainians from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

The war here isn't Russians versus Ukrainians.  It's Europhile Ukrainians versus Russophile Ukrainians, between whether to join the European Empire or the Russian Empire.  Things are more complicated when ethnic Ukrainians from Russia, therefore with Russian citizenship, are illegally migrating into the country to fight in this conflict.


Don't ask for me a comment on which is better.  Baltic countries lost 25% of their population, suffer from poverty & unemployment and are reduced to colonies under the EU, samething happened with most Eastern bloc European countries.  

Versus Russian Empire which may give you real jobs & economy but probably suppress your culture.  I'm going with Russia being the lesser evil so far but this is all hypothetical discussion since Putin probably doesn't want more Ukrainians in his country.   A lot of Russians can be upset with Sochi as it is, $50 billion dollars to appease crypto Ukrainians (who scratch Russian on the census form but only as long as the money keeps flowing in).

Stop posting BS.

1. Yes. The conflict is between the pro-Russian ethnic Ukrainians and the pro-EU ethnic Ukrainians. But it is not as simple as it seems. Differences exists between the Eastern Ukrainians and the Western Ukrainians. The former are closer to the ethnic Russians, while the later are similar to the Poles.

2. A large part of the citizens living in Eastern Ukrainians possess additional Russian passports. This helps them to find work in Russia, where the wages are 4-5 times higher than that in Ukraine.

3. No one is illegally immigrating to Ukraine. The Ukrianian authorities have so far found not even one non-Ukrainian citizen, among the 100+ people who died fighting on the rebel side so far. On the other hand, some 600,000+ Ukrainians have arrived as refugees during the past 2-3 months in Russia.

Alexander Mozhaev (famous bearded militiamen) admitted on camera that he from the Russian Federation, and doesn't have Ukrainian citizenship.  Truckloads of illegals from the Kuban, such as the aforementioned Mozahev, are coming into Ukraine to fight.

These guys may have Russian sounding surnames but almost all of them are admitting to be Kuban Cossacks or from that area, these guys are all pretty much ethnic Ukrainian who are extremely Russophile and even knock down Russian on the census form but history shows they only became Russian in the 1930s.

Who's rooting for Putin to get involved in this?  It's all Ukrainians fighting each other.  Who wants Moscow to be bombed because some 'Mother Russia' types in the Kuban want a bigger backyard?

Mozhaev and others are still stationed at cities such as Lugask and Antratsyt, where there is no actual fighting (these cities are devoid of any Ukrainian troops). And talking about the Cossacks, they have claimed that there are no Russian citizens among them. The most heavy fighting is occurring in cities such as Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol and Donetsk, where the only foreign mercenaries are those hired by Igor Kolomoyskyi.

Whatever census data may show, it's not important insofar how people themselves identify their belonging. If Ukrainians say they are of Russian ethnicity, then it's good enough for Russians. If people speak the language, feel the culture, have the sense of identity that is Russian, then they are, for all intents and purposes, Russian. Case in point: Russian poet Pushkin, "our everything" he is called.

Napoleon and his Polish lapdog general Sokolnitskij failed to understand it, hoping to oppose Cossacks to Russians.

Also, the demographic composition of the Novorossia has not changed much since it was Novorossia County in Russian Empire, and when it was written off to Ukraine by Lenin in 1917. This seemed like a formality in USSR, as it did not change the peoples' sense of belonging. Nowadays, this sense of belonging makes itself heard more and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMDZBfGmLQk

Ceмёнoвкa - Semenovka

http://cs608726.vk.me/v608726399/a3d8/nquwdCfmD8Y.jpg

http://cs608726.vk.me/v608726399/a3e1/mVPOI0-FAV0.jpg

http://cs608726.vk.me/v608726399/a3fc/Zb9HTJIsHks.jpg

What you describe is assimilation to the state culture and it rests on the assumption that the state can continue to exert that influence.  It's really no different than this 'multiculturalism' in the west.  I see it as a losing proposition since it's a natural development for cultures to shift and evolve.  Not long ago there was no difference between the Dutch and the Germans, but the former descended when they revolted from the Holy Roman Empire and fought off the Hapsburg.

 If Russia itself was a marginal state or the Cossacks were independent then they would frankly stop caring about any 'Russian' identity.  

We all know what the west would do if they invaded Russia, would likely revive forgotten states like Novgorod and the locals there would be heavily propagandized, like the Estonians and Latvians, into thinking they are Nordic and would cease being Russian within 25 years.  ;D  Quarter the Novgorodian women would end up as whores in Czech / German brothels and the quarter the men would be building condos and fixing toilets in Britain.

It's interesting that Pskov, Novgorod states were the republics... Republic -> Autocracy -> Absolute Monarcy -> Republic -> Autocracy -> Absolute Monarchy -> ... Spiral model is in action ::)

There were a lot of tragic experiments in that area.

Little forgotten but if you thought the Poles were a monster with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, they were serious about the Polish-Lithuanian-Moscow Commonwealth and almost succeeded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian%E2%80%93Muscovite_Commonwealth

Technically it did occur in history when the Tsar was crowned king of Poland, but it could had happened centuries earlier.   End result?  Maybe colonization of the Pacific North West and Australasia (Courland did, supposedly, pursue the latter).  Maybe the Ottomans, Swedes and the Germans would had teamed up on huge Poland-Lithuanian-Moscow Union.   ;D

The Novgorod Republic was disestablished more than 500 years ago. I don't think that anyone living in that region is interested in creating a new state, breaking away from Russia. Have to remember that the population of Novgorod Oblast has declined from 1,367,022 in 1897, to 634,111 in 2011. It is still declining sharply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9PZcoFWLI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdDmZDw0jBw

https://soundcloud.com/wathchcat/rad1o

Difficult time for intelligence services on the west !
A indigenous population that is hostile , labeled terrorist.
Opera tions of just hit and run , instead of liberation .
And no moral high ground to stand on , to encourage troops other then tell them to murder left and right ,

http://youtu.be/-QUZ5LeTODM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3no3siqK3qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeERAflGOtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19tkYMN6UTw

^ Do you really have to add a video at a time?
You were the last person posting , just edit you last post and add a new link instead of creating this ton of posts.
It looks like you're spamming the baord.

https://www.youtube.com/user/rtrussian/channels

i need "UP"

So you're actually bumping this threads with this avalanche of links ,on purpose ?
And what is even worse , bumping it every 5 minutes?

I really think that this is something like the last drop ..sorry but have to push the button.

Videos are produced not in studio, people upload them continuosly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S39aOl-ZKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDS3QeUCZ6s

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeIzHhBSrVIbzIQfNuw_xXkEtkKO09rSH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gk-XtE2_oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8MO-1pTMi8

 A war crime. Neo-Nazi crimes against people.

Slavyansk. Artillery strikes on civilians.

The Junta's army continues to bombard occupied Slavyansk. The houses have no windows, on ground you can see the blood of innocent victims. All these inhuman acts perpetrated by Neo-Nazis. But one day, they'll pay their own price for their actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6MLkp19EIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RyRE5sdc34

https://www.facebook.com/bochkala/posts/744281838957541

Ukraine and the Lies of the U.S. Media (http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-lies-of-the-u-s-media/5384175)

Of the 100-odd locals massacred by the Ukrainian Army and the Right Sector yesterday in the city of Donetsk, more than half were unarmed civilians, including children and women. Another Ethnic cleansing campaign sponsored by the NATO and the CIA.

And what proofs do you have they have not been murdered by Russian troops who have infiltrated west Ukraine.

This whole russian propaganda is getting annoying. You guys are on the same levels as the other madman pagan whatsoever.

Besides , you haven't really answered my last post anywhere... 2500 posts per month , mostly quoting russia today , who is getting paid for post , you or Pagan.

If it helps, I don't get paid for anything - I am just get mad when observing all the injustice, always have been, since I was a child, listening to stories of the events that my great-uncle had to fight through during WWII.

I also try to consolidate several new items in single posts to make it more readable.

And finally, I try to give just enough headline and information, pointing to the facts presented in the Russian-language media. Those will most often be overlooked/ignored by the Western sources. I don't say that everything that Russian media presents is 100% accurate, but on many occasions it's much more plausible, when cross-referenced with eye-witness reports and live streams from people on the front lines.

You are not getting paid , and you have a different way of saying things and posting links.
At least you do post you links all in one post , and make some decent comments on others opinion.

But the other 3 guys , you know them very well have a pure commercial approach on this subject. They are no interested even a bit on what's happening there , they are just spamming the board.Instead of posting links we could just add http://rt.com/news/ to the op and 90% of the post here would be useless.

I though that this dissucsion could bring new information to a guy who has no ties tio russian or ukraine , never been ther , doesn't speak a word of it and has no real idea what's happening there.But I feel like getting fed ww2 propaganda here.

Also , I like how your sig unlike mine is for a noble cause.

Shooting in Lugansk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8erUYsdunXk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpsufOVBnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-7KfXqQZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSb4vYHXbzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYKNWrJMPE

Genocidal campaign continues in Slavyansk.

Shells hit school, kindergarten in Slavyansk amid Ukraine military op

http://rt.com/news/162008-ukraine-shelling-slavyansk-school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIelHUIIaz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4A7MNxMu4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tgLwMs890

Disturbing news that a Right Sector column is heading towards the far-Western province of Transcarpathia, home to significant Rusyn (Ruthenian) Magyar and Romanian minorities.

http://www.7dniv.info/ru/news/v-uzhgorode-samooboroncy-maydana-budut-ohranyat-poryadok

Taм в кaждoм дoмe cтвoлы. Oвoщeй нeт.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnb2KZSTnn8#t=104

I hope it will happen soon, because it would be a suicide for them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.msg6472055#msg6472055

In that case, it will be interesting to see the reaction from Hungary, which is a member of both the NATO and the EU. Another factor to remember here is that many of the ethnic Magyars in Transcarpathia possess double citizenship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Fhvu3AwhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSfh-naCHRo

Slavjansk. Results of artillery shelling around the railway station. Railway workers' homes destroyed.


Christian Orthodox priest calling to stop the violence.

Slavyansk - Destroyed House - May 29th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SggszhBTSNM

+18

Rape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnjViyuvbQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSh3Gs9gAqw

Ukrainian Army Shell Children's Hospital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8LXYwIEQrM

Children hospital bombed.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (plus Right Sector Nazis) are shelling the civilians in Donetsk using heavy artillery. The pro-Kiev media then try to put the blame on the Donetsk People's Army.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/207320.html

(Vladyslav Selezniov convenently ignored the fact that the rebels are not in the possession of any artillery cannons).

Hoнa вooбщe тo c пyшкoй-минoмётoм.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L9RCqgHaQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsE0IWqvw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DLgPyN4DdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w18OXAbrRQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w18OXAbrRQ

Some pics from Slavyansk.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo4czbICAAAqtud.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo5PSNKIQAAWZVA.jpg

I wouldn't want to be in Ukraine right now.
Why can't they all just be friends? :'(
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Some of evacuated children from Slavyansk (shelled & bombed by Ukrainian army) arriving in Crimea:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo5CfEqCAAA5suH.jpg

Slavyansk kids and women cross Russian border on foot after Ukraine seizes bus
http://rt.com/news/162712-slavyansk-children-evacuation-crimea/

Already more than 600,000 Ukrainian citizens have been granted refugee status in Russia. Some estimates put that more than 10% of the population of Novorossia have fled to Russia.

Ukraine border guards not permit 38 refugees from east Ukraine to enter Russia

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734168

http://videocdn.itar-tass.com/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20140531/1043501.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5_54jxosoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Gnr7o8tJA

Transcript of the video:

We ask you kindly not to bomb us.
Signed: Children of Slavjansk.
Peace, work, Slavjansk.

Responsability of bombs on Slavyansk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIcdjRneHGw

To bring this into perspective:
Ukrainian MSM was saying that resistance NONA was shooting the city. This guy shows where the resistance artillery was standing and the impact points from the Ukrainian artillery, just a few meters from where NONA was stationed - NONA could not fire at itself (or on such short range) as Ukrainian MSM report. He shows the height from where Ukrainian artillery conducts shelling of the city, where the hospital is located, etc.

The guy also reiterates that the resistance is protecting Slavjansk from UkrArmy and National Guarad.

Cлaвянcк

http://pixs.ru/showimage/IMG6928JPG_3444398_12346806.jpg

http://i7.pixs.ru/storage/8/5/8/IMG6927JPG_1163669_12346858.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fKXPzrUdgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t80Jr_Fzf58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznNlbsY0A0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuLiup54Eak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNkTzBui68

This is going to make ethnic cleansing easier for the Kiev junta.

Turchynov proposes parliament to approve foreign armed forces’ access into Ukraine

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_26/Turchynov-proposes-parliament-to-approve-foreign-armed-forces-access-into-Ukraine-8042

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4HOKhvoWb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs3buP3aM8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73H6e6s8aY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXIb2V2ZNE

No end in sight....

Right Sector 'looting, attacking citizens' in eastern Ukraine

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_01/Right-Sector-looting-attacking-citizens-in-eastern-Ukraine-Donbass-battalion-commander-0623

The immediate aftermath of the attack on Lugansk town hall:

(NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeZ-P_P0eA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3wBXkR0rJ0

At least 7 civilians and an unknown number of resistance fighters were killed in the carpet bombing campaign by the Kiev junta. Many more were seriously wounded, as can be seen from the video which I had posted earlier. 

According to the reporter from Komsomol'skaja Pravda, who himself barely managed not to become one of the bodies, there are no resistance fighters killed. 7 civilians, 4 women and 3 men are dead, many more injured.
http://kompravda.eu/daily/26238.5/3120452/

Yes... I have noticed this from the recent reports. The bombing was highly inaccurate, and the victims were standing at a few hundred meters away from the administration building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYm9gJMdFLI

It seems like the fighter jet attack on Lugansk was just a beginning. Multiple aircraft are dropping bombs and attacking resistance held checkpoints in Slavysnsk and nearby areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pQEAhA95E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnJqd7rEeI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x95DrGpvW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LJmQDvtL3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQG68el6tw

Some unconfirmed info from Krasnyj Liman (under control of National Guard/Right Sector). To get to the resistance fighters, they used Nazi method of rounding up civilians from several 5-storie houses - women, children elderly included, placed them in the courtyard and stated a deadline by which, if they don't say where the resistance is hiding or the resistance fighters themselves will not surrender, everyone will be shot.

Krasny Liman Hospital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEf-nJGgxfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udmugvFQed0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0taSd6oaVts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCtH_G0O_nE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e4bnoXR0ys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPKpzVhKKE0

Hospital in the city of Krasnyi Liman, Donetsk Oblast was so thorughly shelled by Ukrainian army that it looks like intentional target:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEf-nJGgxfc

Nazi-style atrocities in Eastern Ukraine.

Destroyed water supply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT0lvYnrb7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdHz3s-Eugc

More violence to continue.

Break-up of Ukraine continues: Odessa declares independence

http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/04-06-2014/127731-ukraine_odessa_republic-0/#.U4_pgPmSw_t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTxc1-eOYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOM1jhBPlNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5wWisq7VOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wDBopvZ3Ng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZo6NWQueQg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqAMnHQeCA

The US is now admitting direct involvement in Ukraine.

U.S. sending advisers, military gear to Ukraine

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140605/NEWS08/306050088/U-S-sending-advisers-military-gear-Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f26uqIka2-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2KxAgGB1vs

Humanitarian situation worsening in Slavyansk.

Slavyansk blockade: Shelling non-stop, shops closed, no meds, no chance to evacuate

http://rt.com/news/164352-slavyansk-blockade-shelling-civilians

There has been no running water or electricity for almost one week now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTY_eShzM_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k8BbZMtrn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9wDPfjc2BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCsFGKR0jZQ

DPR claims that the Right Sector murdered dozens of injured fighters and patients in the hospital at Krasny Liman, after taking control of it.

http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1752823/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr-aZEFXY_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YDt9oSUjA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R32l-t03K9A

Latest stats from the UNHCR:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpof78fCQAEJnv5.jpg

Slavyansk, Semenovka (https://www.google.it/maps/place/%D0%90%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE+%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8+%22%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9B%D0%98%D0%A2%22/@48.8113844,37.6680439,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40df9ad617f6ea41:0x661602c916c7ff6)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vETROd-Y3I

Slavyansk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhzsrxhbWMc

Slavyansk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEiveXcVrtM

ANNA News reports that the Donetsk People's Army has destroyed a GRAD rocket launcher in Slavyansk, which was being used by the Kiev junta to target the residential apartments and houses there.  ;D

Grad shooting on Slavyansk city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQpg4Su3Lg

ocтaнoвлeнa paбoтa кaнaлa Ceвepcкий Дoнeц-Дoнбacc

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zFVZ1P6OJoto.kLSyzEBdgj0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzVAZnNUyw

Truth finally comes out....

Ukraine crisis: Death toll in east 'at least 270'

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27804611

The important question is why the BBC was silent so far?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLizHCJDB6c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-4XGCFwMg

Very disturbing picture of a 6-year old girl, who was killed in the Ukrainian artillery bombardment in the Eastern city of Slavyansk (June 8, 2014).

NSFW:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp8688ZIMAInXp1.jpg

The Ukrainian Army is using White Phosphorus against the civilian population of Slavyansk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzCcBbP1VjA

Check this article, to know what White Phosphorus is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-368800/White-phosphorus-burns-bone.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbgpetsRZDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7gGib6B1vU

very dangerous if it explodes
if there is no other way to reconcile

War will be over in a few days. But these unexploded mortar / artillery shells will continue killing / maiming people for many more decades to come. Sadly, a large part of the casualties will be children.

I'm not sure. Just today can be happen some deadly surprises.

The fact that rebels shat down a Ukrania plane doesn't say to me this is going to end any time soon. There are still many extremists and militia that have force there. And it's hard to control them.

The Ukrainian Army currently outnumbers the rebels almost 20 to 1. There are some 40,000 active personnel deployed there (Army, NazGuard, Right Sector, NSA, Mercenaries.etc), compared to some 2,000 or so rebels. Also, the army is having air support. The urban warfare in metro cities such as Lugansk and Donetsk is going to be extremely bloody, but unless they get more reinforcements, the rebels won't be able to hold on for too long.

Refugees direction to Russian border check point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdB2fdo-uc

http://ria.ru/world/20140621/1012961870.html

http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

Then what is Putin doing? Does he truly cared the Russians in East Ukraine? What happen to his steel balls.

He is collecting evidence. I posted some thoughts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg7464320#msg7464320
Russia is also actively fighting on the diplomatic front both in Europe and in the UN, though it's not reported in the Western media.

Russia would lose politically if it intervenes to protect Russians and more people, both Russian Russians and Ukrainian Russians, would die as a result of a large-scale war. It's well-summarised here (in Russian): http://politichanka.livejournal.com/147908.html

As I wrote elsewhere, the whole thing since the February coup d'etat was huge provocation to get Russia into a war, something Russia denies Washington. No reason to start indulging the US warmongers now.

As in chess, to win, you sometimes have to make some seemingly losing moves and sacrifice a few pieces.

US need a war to dump its public debt and create another reason of existence for dying NATO. That's why Fashington's puppets are doing all these things, including direct aggression against russian troops outside of Ukrainian territory. They're trying to get revenge attack against ukrainian army.

There are many troops in rostov region right now, so something will happen soon.

On that note, refugees from Ukraine that arrived to Rostov region are being flows away from there by the Ministry of Disaster Containment airplanes
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403514804

While a contingent of Russian peacekeeping forces are brought into state of deployment readiness:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403514823

At the same time NATO's secretary general said that it will not give Ukraine direct military aid:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403529091

And EU council recommended not to impose additional sanctions against Russia:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403527722

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PS: I collected some links that previously caught my attentions here:
http://stanislavs.org/the-unreported-war-in-ukraine/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLpXx49VrmU

New volunteer fighting on junta side.

http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
17:30 GMT:

Russia has implied that Kiev deliberately targeted two Russian journalists, who were killed in eastern Ukraine last week.

“There needs to be a thorough investigation of this crime; there is too much evidence that this was a premeditated attack,” said Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin during a Security Council session on Ukraine in New York.

Russian state television reporter Igor Kornelyuk and sound engineer Anton Voloshin died after being hit by a shell near Slavyansk on June 17.

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Also, two more Russian journalists came under artillery fire yesterday, but luckily survived.

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NATO announced that they will create a fund for military aid to Ukraine
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/25/nato/

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Poroshenko stated today that Ukrainian language will be the only official state language in the constitution:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403688862

In other words, he already said a decisive NO to 1 of the 3 demands from the South-East, that were there from the start: Acknowledgement of Russian language, Federalisation and Greater control over the finances of the region.

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A 10-month old baby killed by a grenade near Lugansk:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403692088

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Nazional guard mercenaries has just performed a massive and lengthy artillery barrage of Slavjansk from Kachun height:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1403693793

Large number of causualties is expected as the target of the barrage was the residential center.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUcQABtwJ-s

OSCE observers visited the ruined Slavyansk

http://lifenews.ru/news/135684

The OSCE personnal are the only neutral international observers currently stationed at the Donbass region.

It's promising. Also this quote from the observer:

The period of seize-fire in the South-East (which was not observed anyway) is over:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/263094

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The resistance reports that Kiev intends to use Vacuum bombs (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Working_principle_of_vacuum_bomb):
http://ria.ru/world/20140627/1013790723.html

According to intelligence, the planes in Mariupol and Nikolaev are being equipped to carry such NATO-produced devices

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The UN is waking up:
UN: 110,000 people fled Ukraine to Russia this year
http://rt.com/news/168844-un-refugees-ukraine-russia/

And still, the real numbers are closer to 500.000

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US State department is not even satisfied with this lowered numbers from UN, dauing the are not correct and asking for lower number of refugees to match their wishful view of the world:

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1285387?utm_medium=rss20

Harf said US does not have it's own numbers, yet they cannot consider the numbers presented ny UN as correctly depicting mass-escape from people from Ukraine to Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA9ZVTyizsc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7KwP6G8V3k

Latest figures from the rebels:

Resistance fighters killed: 800.

Civilians killed: 250.

Total casualties on the Donbass side: 1,050

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28054603

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQLa6-cFYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q41Bk6Nbz2I

Slavyansk residential districts 'a mess' after Kiev troops' shelling, at least 3 killed (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/169228-ukraine-shelling-slavyansk-residential/


http://rt.com/files/news/29/50/c0/00/still_from_youtube_video.jpg

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Blood on the ground in Slavjansk - after this week-end's shelling of marketplace "Lesnoj" during a busy day. Several people killed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A8aYoy_Imw

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Aleksand-Nevskij Cathedral in Slavjansk was shelled during service, where it was filled with people:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404119155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5s1on3sniI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHiSfLE5Fs0

There are signs that Nazional Guard and UKrArmy used chemical weapons (chlorine). Russia is open in sending a note to Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) if the reports get confirmed.

Chemical weapons were used when shelling the village of Semjonovka during this weekend. Local hospital received wounded with typical chlorine burns.

http://ria.ru/world/20140630/1014147134.html

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Bomb shelters are being prepared in Lugansk:
http://rt.com/news/169340-ukraine-bomb-shelters-shelling/

Video in English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yElrX20Valc

Missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxOmQXNfy8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5s1on3sniI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT5XRMJnoY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A8aYoy_Imw

This girl was arrested by SBU in Odessa and is risking 12 years in prison for posting on her site "Yes to Novorossia":
http://media.cackle.me/15d875a705f2cf87290fe406c2cca0d4.jpg

Gestapo methods reincarnated.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

Poroshenko promised today to start "war of new type". The bandit groups of Ukrainian junta will not conduct massive fights, while he promises that freedom fighters "will suffer massive losses":
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404154954

I wonder if he is talking about weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Nuland-Nudelman was newly visiting Kiev and might have given US' OK to use them. They already started using chemical weapons tonight.

He also promised that he'll be revising the Constitution and electing a new Parliament.

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If the state of war is announced in Ukraine, mobile connections and internet will go silent in Novorossia:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404157102

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Kramatorsk is rocked by heavy explosions. Civil defence sirens are sounding:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404157492

Heavy artillery is shelling Slavjansk. aiming at multi-story buildings, targeting flats and chipping away at the supporting walls:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404213139

The shelling is done from artillery units "Uragan" (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/uragan/), which is much more powerful than "Grad".

The other places that are especially targeted are houses, railway station, water collection points - where the concentration of people is highest.

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The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a statement saying that Kiev will have to answer for murders of civilians:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404213703
And again urging Kiev to instil a real and not a fake seize-fire.

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Meня yбили пoд Cлaвянcкoм.
Mнe былo ceмь нeпoлныx лeт.
Co мнoй yбиты мaмa c пaпoй,
Убиты бaбyшкa и дeд.

Mнe былo бoльнo, oчeнь бoльнo.
Taк нe бывaeт y дeтeй.
Cкaжи coлдaт, в мeня cтpeлявший,
Чтo cкaжeшь дoчepи cвoeй?

Oтдaшь ли eй мoи игpyшки?
Oтдaшь c pиcyнкaми aльбoм?
Oтдaшь в кpoви мoeй кoтёнкa?
Кaк взглянeшь eй в глaзa пoтoм?

Cкaжи coлдaт, мeня yбивший,
Кaким ты мoлишьcя Бoгaм?
Кoмy пpинёc peбёнкa в жepтвy?
B кaкoй oтдaшь дoбычy xpaм?

Я yмepлa, и я нe плaчy.
Зacтылa нa щeкe cлeзa.
Зaпoмни вpaг, в мeня cтpeлявший,
Убитoй дeвoчки глaзa.

Aвтop – Bячecлaв Бyнeeв

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I was killed under Slavjansk.
I wasn’t yet even 7.
My mother and father were killed with me
Killed were my grandma and granddad

It was painful, very painful,
As children never should have felt.
Tell me soldier, you who shot at me,
What will you say to your daughter?

Will you give her my toys?
Will you give her my album with drawings?
Will you give her my blood-covered kitten?
How will you look into her eyes?

Tell me soldier, you who killed me,
Which Gods do you pray to?
Which God did you sacrifice a child to?
To which temple will you bring your pray?

I died, and I am not crying.
The tear has dried upon my cheek.
Remember enemy, who shot at me,
The eyes of the murdered girl.

According to Poroshenko, some 250 members of the Donetsk self-defence were killed in Slavyansk this morning. So that takes the total number of killed rebels to 7,344,583,174 fighters.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKwF1acoZiU

With the twenty billions that have fled from Ukraine into mother Russia yesterday alone , I too am amazed that there is still somebody fighting there ;).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GB6UJesXn8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0f-QGn-_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRvEtKysn0k

Artillery shelling of Severodonetsk and Lugansk. In that last video, people filming it from their flats are risking their lives.

Check this:

http://lifenews.ru/news/135940

Ukrainian Su-25 bombed civilian apartment. 7 Civilians died and 8 more seriously wounded. There were no militia fighters in the vicinity of the apartment. The Ukrainian Air Force is targeting civilian residences, just to push the local population to Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQf8YGHWOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O_WynOh-Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbIFR9Mf9QU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYDvmPi5U3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qduc1jyS0yM

‘Thanks, Ukraine Air Force’: Bombarded villagers accuse Kiev of killing civilians
http://rt.com/news/170104-ukraine-lugansk-shelling-airstrike/


People are in shock.

Newsflash:
According to a statement from Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, they no longer take prisoners. People who surrender are executed on the spot:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404396895
http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/node_pic/public/3a5f207f4350.jpg?itok=jPpo8_qH

"Smerch" shooting on Nikolaevka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4xTECRj9jE

Will this ever stop or will it get just worse?!

Ask it on Your Government.

Enemy Nazi infantry kills off any survivors in the towns previously razed with the ground by their artillery shelling:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404456953

The number of artillery rounds used so far seems to exceed the volume used in Chechen wars.

Sterlkov reports that if Russia does not intervene, then the situation looks very grim, Novorossia will die.

Who need this Novorossia?
Problem is ethnic cleansing.

Humanitarian disaster in Novorossia - a strange and terrible war is going on:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404478991

As not ethnic cleansing. This man put it quite well:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404474483

Those who do killing from the nazi side and are caught on video, speak Russian. Those who are being killed, speak Russian. In the parliament, even the radical ones speak Russian off-camera. So that is Ukrainian language and identity? something to brainwash the Western youth to make them into killing machines with a clear "national" idea?

There are reports that the Novorussian locals are angry at the treachery shown by Putin. They expected him to send in weapons and supplies. But he seems to be having other priorities.

And this is the result:

That is so, yet Putin has dilemma - does he risk lives of a very large number of Russians by doing what Washingtons wants him to do and dragging Russia into a new World War (think WWI), or does he sacrifice a smaller number of people and denies Washington warmongeres the pleasure of calling Russia an aggressor and attacking it.

In the meantime:

http://stanislavs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/UkraineNewspaper1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyX9ScfUx84

As the time passes, I find more and more striking similarities between Putin's way of handling this crisis and Serbian wartime president Milosevic's relationship with rebellious Serbian minorities in Croatia and Bosnia. At first, Milosevic was encouraging them to take arms and provided material support. Message was clear: fight, and you will stay in Yugoslavia. But the international community condemned his actions, put Serbia under the harsh economic blockade which Russia also joined, and sided with Croatia and Bosnia (that's including direct military help). Milosevic then pulled out, cut the supply lines and basically left those people alone.

Results: in Croatia, crushing defeat followed by mass exodus - today Serbs constitute 4% of total Croatian population, down from the prewar 12%; in Bosnia, major defeat - large Serbian entity there survived but only as constitutive part of sovereign Bosnian state.

Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.

Where, and in what context?

IIRC few days ago commander Strelkov accused Russia for denying rebels any kind of support. In his words, Russia threw them all to the mercy of fate. Then there are figures in Russia like for example hardliner Alexander Dugin, saying that when people in Donbass started the revolt everyone expected Russian troops to help. Or at least a steady supply channel. Instead, they've got isolation. They see Putin negotiates with those in Kiev whom they consider war criminals, a "junta", while their homes are getting destroyed and bodycount going up each day.

A sign of where Ukrainian conflict could lead? Victims of mortar attack stand before their flaming home, like a scene from the Eastern Front in the Second World War
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677613/American-military-advisers-masterminding-Ukraines-surge-against-pro-Russian-separatists-bid-expand-Nato-east.html

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Events in E. Ukraine ‘beginning of ethnic cleansing campaign’
http://rt.com/op-edge/170592-cleansing-campaign-eastern-ukraine/

President Poroshenko Uses RAND Corporation “Action Plan” for Eastern Ukraine including Ground Assaults and Air Strikes
http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-poroshenko-uses-rand-corporation-action-plan-for-eastern-ukraine-including-ground-assaults-and-air-strikes/5389795


http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/rand-ukraine-768x1024.gif
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/rand-ukraine2-768x1024.gif

Read Mop-up stage. USA is basically advising creation of concentration camps!
They also talk about expropriation and resettlement of the killers into the homes of their victims.
And they also advise to isolate the area from journalists - total information blockade!

These steps are so 1942!

The Serbian public opinion was against providing military assistance to the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. Milosevic lost elections to an anti-nationalist politician a few years later (Boris Tadić).

Then it's another similarity because according to VCIOM (Russian Public Opinion Research Center) 2/3 of Russians are against military involvement in Ukraine. As for the Milosevic: he didn't care about public opinion. He was pursuing his goals until being hit with UN sanctions, at which point he forgot everything he was saying before and turned his back on people he pushed into the war.

More on this subject from commander Strelkov:
"I seriously believe that we are dealing not with the Russian President’s deliberate betrayal of Novorossiya, but with a systemic sabotage by his oligarchy and top officials. I say this because the defeat of Ukraine’s southeast would plainly be fatal for Putin, both as a Russian leader and as a man. It would mean an irreversible step down to Milosevic’s path who once surrendered in Bosnia and Croatia under similar circumstances, was later finished off in Kosovo, and finally “expired” in The Hague prison."

More on the RAND "plan":

'US too embarrassed to advocate war crimes to Ukraine, subcontracts job to RAND'
http://rt.com/op-edge/170860-ukraine-rand-corporation-plan/


Also this is a well-formulated description of the situation:

I perfectly remember the train of events on 08.08.08 (that is Georgian intervention in South Ossetia). People who fought in Tskhinvali (capital of South Ossetia) also began cursing Russia for not sending troops when civilians were dying there. Ultimately, it turned out that Putin's actions were perfectly timed, and after the dust settled, Georgia had been universally recognized as an aggressor.

So, my point is that it is yet too early to cry wolf! :)

Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent some ruling elites from using double speak... They're constantly talking about "violent occupation of 25% of Georgian territory" despite a fact that Georgia had been recognized as an aggressor.

In any case, the game in Donetsk and Lugansk is far from being over yet. The first Chechen war culminated in the Battle of Grozny in August 1996 when the federal forces at first had conquered the city, but later had to conclude a ceasefire agreement with Chechen rebels after the latter regained control of it, and sign a humiliating peace treaty a year later (the Khasavyurt Accord).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG6aB1tS5EI

Thank for that US puppet mr. Eltsin.

Kramatorsk

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/1304316/1304316_900.png

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/1304563/1304563_900.png

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/1303058/1303058_900.png

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/1303446/1303446_900.png

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/1302807/1302807_900.jpg

Lugansk bombing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAFCH-qECk

Civilians under torture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-8FRIK36c

There are many such cases.
Last week a local Russian boy went to visit his girlfriend in the Ukraine, who lives in a village just across the border. He was captured by Nazional Army thugs, tortured with electricity, and needles under fingernails, his hand was burnt through. He was then tied to a tree in a small forest on the border, left to die. He was accidentally discovered and saved by the border patrol.
The Nazis tried to torture out of him a confession that he is working for Russian secret service.

‘Civil war can never be the response in Ukraine’
http://rt.com/op-edge/171492-ukraine-civil-war-violence/

The worst has happened: Ljasho's men came to Slavjansk:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404979158
People flee for their lives as ethnic cleansing takes more grotesque forms.

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In the meantime:
Ukrainian refugees precipitate emergency situation in 6 Russian regions
http://rt.com/politics/171772-russia-emergency-ukraine-refugees/

NEWSFLASH:

Kiev military op death toll includes 478 civilians – Ukraine Health Ministry
http://rt.com/news/171808-eastern-ukraine-civilians-killed/


If it's official Kiev reporting this number, then multiply it by 3 or 4.

"This girl was 6 years old. She died Slovyansk (eastern Ukraine) from the projectile - howitzers by massive bombing residential areas of the National Guard of Ukraine on June 8 in 13 hours. 15min."  :'(
http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/community/uneasyparents/_groupsphoto/h-1736.jpg

Hypocrisy!

Ukraine urges Russia not to accept orphans fleeing war zones
http://rt.com/news/172396-ukraine-orphans-evacuation-russia/


And a very telling reader comment:

Who can translate this all to English?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV-lj_qQVt8

Snezhnoe under bombs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoXS9lgJBY&feature=player_embedded#t=626

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNufJO2k1OE

How sick the BBC can get? Check this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28327453

They are claiming that a Russian plane crossed the border and bombed Lugansk.

Broadcasting Bullshit Constantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQH8orMZyWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfEZVgTouM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhwA1IsBLFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2vBdyszP5M

"We need kill 1500000 people in Donetsk Region, they are useless".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRimKstqg6E

Street market and mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ktmizafb3M

http://glav.su/files/messages/2014/08/08/2523226_36eb8df8fdd8e16820348950ab1f36be.jpg

http://glav.su/files/messages/2014/08/08/2523226_512ecf95512ccb7cf9df39a3494e3eb9.jpg

People at Russian Federation border.

On the first photo we see men that would make good soldiers if trained accordingly. Why are they leaving their country and not defending their land and homes? What do they feel?

How You present the defense from Grad and Smerch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IxSvEiChiE)?

Use image search.

Samsonovka under Uragan missiles.
http://lifenews.ru/news/138135

You'll notice a girl in a very short jeans / skirt, this is impossible in middle east. The picture is taken during summer (now), so it cannot be taken in say Alaska.  There are no landmarks, but that in itself is a landmark.  For example, the paint quality on the road is quite bad. The sky is clear, which is the current situation above Europe.  I am not sure where exactly it is taken, but there are definitely a lot of clues in the photo.

That is from RT.com twitter.

i'm sorry so many people have been misled with all the russian propaganda.

at this moment all the questions regarding lives of innocent civilians are valid but also usually taken out of context. it was people of Ukraine that gathered to protest against sudden change of course with EU association. people of Ukraine protested against dictatorship laws in january. people of Ukraine ousted corrupt and criminal president Yanukovich. it was Putin that has given corrupt and criminal president Yanukovich asylum. it was Putin that annexed Crimea and Putin that supported and fueled rebels in eastern part of Ukraine. since then things went downhill until today when Ukraine had apparently committed to getting rid of terrorists and terrorists with Russia had committed to do as much damage as possible. now think through this timeline again and pick a point where you think "this was not right".

"it was Putin that annexed Crimea" - Wrong. Crimean. voted for independence. The second time in the last 20 years after they undemocratically got transferred to Ukraine in 1965. Then they voted to rejoin Russia.

By they way, why not continue you "people of Ukraine" line of thought?

It was people of Ukraine that got appalled by the nationalistic coup government that snuck to power under the guise of the people of ukraine's protests. They protested again in Odessa, and got burnt down alive. People of Ukraine in the east protested against Apartheid-like changes to constitution aimed against Russian population done by the coup government, and came out in protest, to be met by shooting, so they were forced to take to arms to defend themselves.

But, of course, according to your heroes, the people of Ukraine living in the East, are subhuman and can be freely exterminated.

Also: " corrupt and criminal president Yanukovich". And Poroshenko is not a "corrupt and criminal"? He was the minister of Finances under Yanukovich. What happened in Ukraine was an oligarchic shift of power with a tinge of brown Nazism.

"Crimean. voted for independence." Wrong. Putin ordered his army to capture Crimean parliament, parliament "elected" a marginally supported politician(4% on last elections) to be premier minister, premier minister ordered to organize "referendum" in less than month time, a referendum which had 2 questions "join russia now" / "join russia later" and no question "leave things as they are".

"nationalistic coup government" put names to your labels please, both interim government and current government do not have any representatives from far-right parties, parliament is the same as was elected years ago - who exactly are those "nazis" (because you really mean nazis and not nationalists as those are different things) you are talking about?

"They protested again in Odessa, and got burnt down alive" people died in fire after shooting some other people on streets and running away hiding in a building. horrible sutiation no matter what side you're on. there were some horrible people on both sides of a conflict. yet claiming this was a plan of ukrainian government is just an ungrounded conspirological bullshit.

"Apartheid-like changes to constitution" proof of that or admit you have no clue or admit you're here to spread propaganda. i'll give you a link: rada.gov.ua - this is all the laws passed by all the parliaments in ukraine, please find me one that you consider apartheid-like.

"came out in protest, to be met by shooting, so they were forced to take to arms to defend themselves" this is interesting, give me timeline of these events because i do know about protests in most big eastern cities in early days when most news were about annexation of crimea but i didn't hear about protesters being shot. on the other hand there were numerous reports of pro-ukrainian activists kidnapped and later found dead and tortured like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX2zQRGx50I

"according to your heroes" you don't know who my heroes are and anyone claiming someone to be subhuman is wrong, i hope we can get this thing off the table and i won't have to repeat myself

"And Poroshenko is not a corrupt and criminal?" current consensus as was shown by the proper democratic and fair elections (of course in some regions it was not possible to provide safety because terrorists did everything so that people couldnt vote) Poroshenko is less corrupt and less criminal. and really it would be hard to find someone worse than Yanukovich - i hope you're not going to dispute that. personally i didn't vote for him and think there were other "lesser evil" candidates but people of ukraine voted and it is first time in history that one candidate won in every region of ukraine.

"What happened in Ukraine was an oligarchic shift of power" this i can agree with and i don't know why you think it is so bad. the sad thing is there is no way in Ukraine or in Russia someone can come to power without being oligarch or without being backed by oligarchs. that does not mean we should not fight against those who are abusing power beyond any reasonable boundary, don't you agree?

"with a tinge of brown Nazism" and then you had to go full-retard. i urge you to show me evidence that interim or current government of ukraine are supporting nazi ideas and if you can't i ask you to stop repeating this bullshit label because it is not contributing anything to the discussion.

the fact that there are far-right parties in Ukraine does not mean nazism has taken over. far right parties are everywhere including russia and europe and they have much more support from population than in ukraine (1.8% in last elections).

the fact that far-right parties are active in all sorts of protests is also not surprising. however having couple hundred far-right party members and maybe even up to a hundred full-retard nazis with hitler tattoos on their penises - can not discredit a whole movement against abuse of power.

and how do you explain numerous nazis that are fighting for novorossiya? one of leaders Gubarev: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nazi-donetsk.jpg or this brave rebel: http://proxy10.media.online.ua/uol/r2-fdab3695f0/53bde59defc12.jpg ?

nazism is a really convenient label that you can blame on anyone and degrade discussion to level of "you're nazi - no you're nazi". if your goal is to do that - then just say it?

Just one question first: Why did the Communist party had to be banned? Only because they were asking the wrong questions?
Does the name Jarosh ring a bell? He is part of the new Ukrainian order and as brown as you can get.
What about changes to the constitution, reverting it back to the previous version, stripping the already meagre rights for Russian language use.
As for sub-humans, I base it on the statements by Farion, Tomishenko, Boutkevitch, Jarosh.


Um, the second question was "for reinstatement of constitution of 1992". Also, what do you have to say to the results of the later American Gallup opinion evaluation, which reinforced the results from the referendum? Rigged as well, this time by the US?

Also, what happened now in Crimea is much more democratic, than the outcome of the 1993 referendum, that was nullified by Kiev, or the transfer of 1965, that happened against the public wishes (this public and their children still live in Crimea) and without any referendum.

I have my views. You have yours. But no one has the right to impose their views by the means of bullets, artillery shells, cluster and phosphorus bombs. That Kiev does still that despise the freedom fighters' repeated offers for peace talks, and the initial asks for federalisation within Ukraine, shows the true colours of the parties. Judge people by their deeds, not their words.

PS: I just had a thought why Russians generally view the West as having such low moral standards. For a Russian, silence means agreement with, endorsement of something. For a Westerner, silence is a way of avoiding taking a position with regard to a question - somebody else's problem. When the West failed to condemn the Odessa massacre, the shelling of civilians, the use of phosphorus bombs, Russians see it as direct endorsement of such actions by the West, thinking that they represent the European values and that Europeans would do such things in a heartbeat themselves. The experience and memory of WWII does not help in this matter. While all the West (at least the EU) does is hedging.

"Why did the Communist party had to be banned?" communist party was not banned, communist fraction in parliament was disbanded because fraction can only exist if it has majoritarian representatives there and last one quit some weeks before the decision to disband the fraction.

that being said there are requests to prosecutor office to investigate actions of some politicians in communist party as they were among the most active to support separatist actions which are punishable by law in Ukraine.

"Does the name Jarosh ring a bell" ah yes, the biggest boogie-man in Russia for almost half a year. until election results came in and he had less than 1% of support from population. suddenly Russian tv-channels forgot his name and never mentioned him again. please do explain how is he part of new ukrainian order?

"What about changes to the constitution, reverting it back to the previous version" you mean why did parliament with 340(out of 450) votes brought back constitution of 2004 that was itself voted for by 300+ votes(requirement by ukrainian law) and illegally reverted by Yanukovich by bribing majority of members of ukrainian highest court with purpose of increasing president's power? because the only illegal action here is reverting constitution of 2004 by bribing judges of highest court and that had to be reverted. damn this is so confusing, it's not a surprise you didn't get to the bottom of it

"stripping the already meagre rights for Russian language use." constitution changes have nothing to do with language. there was a law passed in parliament shortly after president was ousted to cancel recent language laws because they were ridiculously stupid. reverting those laws would still not mean stripping any rights from russian language. and in any case that law (to revert the law) was retarded per se and was not supported by president so no language laws were reverted and russian language has same status as it had before changing government. i hope i brought some light into the matter.

"As for sub-humans, I base it on the statements by Farion, Tomishenko, Boutkevitch, Jarosh." Farion is stupid and even people in western ukraine realize that. Jarosh had 0.8% support during presidential elections. Tomishenko, Boutkevitch - i don't even know those guys, how can they be my heroes?

bottom line - there are far-right retards in every country but those in ukraine - russian media had blown them and their influence and their support by population way out of proportion.

"second question was for reinstatement of constitution of 1992" and do you know what that means? constitution of 1992 was another separatist project done by russia in .. well 1992 and this constitution was essentially proclaiming independence of crimean republic and we all know for how long would crimea be independent from russia if that happened.

regarding different opinion polls - i do recognize that it is *possible* that majority of crimeans wanted to join russia, my point though is that willingness alone cannot be a ground for secession as this necessarily drags region into a territorial conflict with deployment of troops and basically a war, because a country has the right to defend it's sovereignty and this fact cannot be disputed. a possible grounds for secession is willingness of host country to initiate such referendum or a serious humanitarian catastrophe like what happened in Kosovo. and even there process of secession took more than 10 years! compare that to a referendum controlled by army of different country organized in one month - do you think that is reasonable?

EDIT:

"no one has the right to impose their views by the means of bullets, artillery shells" - which is exactly what terrorists started doing early into the conflict. people in kyiv were protesting for months, living on main square during winter in tents, tens and hundreds of thousands. people in donbass supposedly had couple protests, then took up arms and said "ok, this is not ukraine anymore" - don't you see the difference?

"cluster and phosphorus bombs" this is fake, nobody was using phosphorus or cluster bombs. believe me, those are some nasty things and you can't just clean up the territory after that - there would be numerous of proofs pictures and videos by now and there are none.

"West failed to condemn the Odessa massacre" this is wrong, all sides have condemned what has happened on that day and asked for proper investigation to be held. Russia on the other hand never condemned actions of terrorists even though those actions include kidnappings and torture - does that mean silent approvement?

you talk about "memory of WWII" and you fail to draw parallels between Hitler uniting the germany and "saving germans from oppression" and Putin doing the same with Russia and russians today. there are many attributes of nazism and Russia matches most of them. but again, claiming someone is nazi is only degrading the discussion and i'd like to avoid that.

Well, the referendum in Kosovo was organised after a bloody war conducted by NATO against Yugoslavia. The Crimean referendum was bloodless. Also, Kosovo is not the only country that set a precedent. Denmark too re-acquired its northern land from Prussian Germany after those lands were under German rule for 60 years.

"my point though is that willingness alone cannot be a ground for secession as this necessarily drags region into a territorial conflict with deployment of troops and basically a war"
The UN charter stipulating peoples' right for self-determination would disagree with you.

Besides, the grounds for conflict were laid in 1965. It was only a question of time and method before those people returned home.

About what Referendum are You talking? There was no referendum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovan_independence_referendum,_1991


It happened 8 years before the bombing.

i've updated my previous post because of your edit.

secession of Kosovo started after real ethnical cleansing done by Miloshevich.

"The UN charter stipulating peoples' right for self-determination would disagree with you." speculating on that charter is a sign of dishonesty. charter's idea is to have less conflicts and to allow people to live in peace. secession because of media manipulations or referendums organized by puppet governments established just weeks before - this is not a way to live peacefully.

"grounds for conflict were laid in 1965" reorganization of lands happening in USSR has nothing to do with today's conflict. it's a media trick to make people angry(because it's easy to make them angry) and manipulate them into doing things you like.

think for yourself - every country has a region where local majority does not represent global majority of that country. mongols in china, chechens/igushs/tatars/osetins/etc - most of people in russian republics far away from moscow, crimea is also example, spain - list is huge. do you think it is reasonable to allow all those regions to have secession referendums under same weird ciscumstances - a foreign country invades with it's military? even if without an invasion - if secession means risk of civil war? ask yourself what are reasonable arguments to start secession process without being politically biased.

P.S.

also don't get me wrong - personally i would be happy if crimeans had proper referendum with nicely worded options to either leave things as they are or join russia or be independent. my problem is with how and by whom that referendum was organized - it is nothing short of military invasion and annexation by russia.

WTF? Even the pro-Kiev sources would laugh at this statement. So far not a single refugee from Ukraine has crossed over to Poland. (It is not easy as well, as Poland is a part of the EU). On the other hand, the Kiev junta has admitted that most of the refugees are fleeing towards Russia. What more, even the Ukrainian soldiers were fleeing towards Russia (438 of them, a few days ago).

i'm sure that was an allusion to russian tv channel showing queue at ukraine-poland border post and claiming that was refugees from ukraine to russia at very early stages of conflict

He was referring to this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-novick/post_7028_b_4895567.html

Last time the pro russian station filmed the wrong border;)

Sometimes to save lives, someone needs to take an action that would seem questionable in the eyes of "international community" (nothe, that it's the same "community" that would blithely bomb and destroy Yugoslavia, Lybia, Iraq, Syria, Egypt). The alternative to a referendum and peaceful ascension to Russia would have been local partisan resistance, Sevastopol becoming a NATO base, bloodbath and mass-murders of civilians, as events in Novorossia demonstrate. Kiev did not even recognise the previous referendum of 1993 (back then Russia was under Washington-puppet Yeltsin), what are the chances of Kiev officially organising and endorsing a referendum on the future of Crimea? A new dispatch of "friendship buses", filled with baseball-wielding thugs, sent to teach Crimeans how to properly love Ukraine would have been a more likely scenario.

"to save lives, someone needs to take an action" this is great if there actually is any threat to lives of those you pretend to be saving.

"local partisan resistance" only if fueled by russia which we see right now in donbass.

"Sevastopol becoming a NATO base" the usual boogieman of russian tv channels. what evidence do you have for that happening any time soon? ukraine isn't even considering joining NATO (well wasn't considering until Russian invaded and started hybrid terrorism war against Ukraine)

"bloodbath and mass-murders of civilians, as events in Novorossia demonstrate" events in Novorossiya demonstrate that given bunch of russian ex-military/ex-kgb and enough weapons leaking through rebel-controlled border posts it is easy to wreak havoc in whole region. none of this would be happening had russia not sent it's military into region.

"what are the chances of Kiev officially organising and endorsing a referendum" that i don't know and it still doesn't make what russia did any good. invasion and annexation. we will be sorting this out for many years to follow.

"new dispatch of "friendship buses", filled with baseball-wielding thugs, sent to teach Crimeans how to properly love Ukraine would have been a more likely scenario." the usual stories from russian propaganda. do you ever think for yourself?

Anyone who follows the (for want of better word) politics in Ukraine, knows that East and West each vote for their own candidates.

http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/
(Interestingly, the original of the above article, in Russian, was written by a Ukrainian to explain to Russians why can't Ukrainians just peacefully live together.)

This time, however, the candidate for the East, Oleg Carev (who would also have been a good candidate if Ukraine wanted to go away from oligarchy rule), got marginalised, criminalised and removed from the presidential run. So were other candidates, that were marginally popular in the East.  Discounting other strange figures (yes, Jarosh can be counted among such, even though he poisons the society), this left Poroshenko, who was the West-Ukrainian favourite. You call this "democratic and fair". Does it inlude all the beatings and public humiliation and violence against the "wrong" (in the eyes of Washington) candidates?

Tsarev was not allowed to contest, while Mykhailo Dobkin was allowed to contest but not allowed to campaign anywhere. Also, none of the political leaders from the KPU were allowed to stand in the elections.

And the turnout in South and East Ukraine was just around 33%, compared to some 75% in the Central and West.

"the candidate for the East, Oleg Carev got marginalised, criminalised and removed" wrong. he did not get removed, he himself refused to participate. also i don't know how it works in your country but if you do something against the law you are a criminal. Tsaryov was a vocal separatist organizing separatist meeting and things like that. you may like that or not - separatism is a criminal offense in ukraine.

and if you really just look at all possible opinion polls tsaryov wouldnt get much support, so calling him a competitor of current president means you have no clue about politics in ukraine.


again, he was allowed but chose to get out of the race. and what is this bullshit about none of KPU leaders being allowed to participate? just go fucking look at election results.

and you're wrong about turnout too, here's the official data:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/%D0%AF%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%86%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2014_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%85.PNG

the only two regions that had around 33% or less turnout were those where separatists didn't allow elections to happen by attacking election posts, kidnapping election officials and threatening violence to those who shows up and votes.

I am talking about the entire South-East region. The total turnout was around 33%. Even those booths in Donetsk and Lugansk which were under the firm control of the pro-Kiev forces recorded a turnout of less than 20%.

no you are wrong and i gave you the actual turnout data. if you are willing to ignore it and continue believe in your lies - you are free to do that.

Tell me whether these facts are wrong or not:

Total number of registered voters in the South-East region:  15,806,180 (Excluding Crimea).

Total number of votes cast in the South-East:  5,649,453 (Excluding Crimea).

Turn out: 35.74%

If you include Crimea as well, then the turnout will be around 30%.

give me the source and i'll tell you what i think about it.

this is war between USA and Russia, or NWO and OWO, Ukrainians are just colateral damage.

Makeevka Bus Station.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXab8Nn3LRM

http://www.cvk.gov.ua/vp2014/wp095pt00_t001f01=702pt001f01=702pt049f01=5.html

The official website of the Ukrainian elections commission. Do you have any source which is even more accurate than the official website?

Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine: ruSSian fascists torturing and killing Ukrainian citizens

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https://www.facebook.com/parasuk.volodymyr/posts/1473524259590195

Wow. Nice military outfit.
 "У Зaпopiзькoмy oблacнoмy вiйcьккoмaтi пiдтвepджyють, щo пpивeзли вбитиx yчacникiв ATO, aлe зaпeвняють, щo цe
нe пoлoнeнi, a вбитi в бoю."
"Цe нe пoлoнeнi, a зaгиблi нa пoлi бoю – вiйcькoвий кoмicap"


Who tortured them, if they are killed on the battlefield?
Who apply this cord? Post mortem fixation?

http://lifenews.ru/news/141110

Civilian female killed and putted in a lake. US military food on the place of crime.

She was also tortured.
There was also a Czech-English glossary on the spot, pointing to the presence of foreign element in the Aidar criminal US-funded punitive terrorist battalion.

Russia Shuts Crimean Tatars' Headquarters in New Crackdown

Police, Masked Thugs Bar Tatar, Other Ethnic Leaders From Attending UN Conference Today

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Masked soldiers without insignia guard the entrance to the headquarters of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis after Russia’s Crimean authorities raided and sealed the building September 16. Russia has banned the most prominent Tatar leader, former Mejlis Chairman Mustafa Dzhemilev, from entering Crimea, and has searched Tatar homes and institutions for “prohibited literature.” (Oleg Kamushkin/krymr.org-RFE/RL)

Russian authorities in Crimea have moved since last week to silence and isolate the peninsula’s main ethnic Tatar community and political organization, the Mejlis. Russia’s government has shut down the group’s headquarters in Crimea and tried to prevent Tatar representatives from attending a United Nations conference in New York on indigenous peoples.

Crimea’s Tatars, who are Muslim and ethnically Turkic, form about 10 percent of Crimea’s two million-plus population. Russia started suppressing Tatars and other dissenters as soon as it seized the peninsula from Ukraine in March. It banned the Tatars’ most senior leader, former Mejlis chairman Mustafa Dzhemilev, from entering Crimea. Authorities shut down Tatar pro-Ukraine news organizations and TV channels; arrested and harassed independent journalists; and deported a Crimean filmmaker to Moscow for trial on terrorism charges.

Still, the Russian authorities held back during the summer campaign for local elections held last week. In the September 14 vote, the government of President Vladimir Putin was seeking to strengthen its hold on local and provincial assemblies nationwide, and in Crimea. On the peninsula, the Putin-allied United Russia party won control of the new provincial legislature.


Mejlis Offices Seized

Then, just hours after the polls closed, the new crackdown began – at 3:15 a.m. That was when security cameras at the Mejlis’s headquarters building showed three masked men, one with a gun, and one who climbed the building’s façade to rip down a Ukrainian flag that the Mejlis had flown for months alongside its own Tatar community flag.

Hours later, according to an account by human rights advocate and writer Halya Coynash of the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group, officers of Russia’s state security police, the FSB, arrived and with “armed men in military uniform blocked the Mejlis and carried out an eleven-hour search” of the building. The Central District Court of Simferopol ordered the building’s owner, a charity called the Crimea Fund, to vacate the structure within twenty-four hours. The order froze bank accounts and other assets of the fund over what the court said was an unspecified lawsuit by unnamed persons against the charity.

Mejlis officials tried to evacuate as much of their equipment and files as they could, but the building, which also houses the offices of the group’s newspaper and of the Crimea Fund, could not be emptied fully. Authorities sealed it and seized much of the groups’ property still inside.


Tatars, Other Ethnic Leaders Assaulted

Russia also has tried to block Crimea’s Tatars (as well as other indigenous Russian minority groups) from taking part in the United Nations’ first-ever World Conference on Indigenous Peoples, which is taking place today in New York. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin tweeted last week that “Russian Federation has submitted a written protest against participation of Mejlis” in the conference.

While the Russian protest was disallowed, a prominent Tatar minority rights advocate, Nadir Bekirov, was prevented from leaving Crimea when a vanload of thugs intercepted his car as he began his trip to New York. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reporters in Simferopol wrote that Bekirov told them that “Four masked men emerged, pulled him from his car, forced him to the ground, and took his Ukrainian passport and mobile phone. He said one of the attackers opened his passport and told the others: ‘Yes, that's him!’” Left without his passport, Bekirov was unable to leave Crimea for the conference.

(Russia blocked other indigenous minority leaders from attending the conference, according to the International Work Group on Indigenous Affairs, a network of researchers and human rights activists. Rodion Sulyandziga, and ethnic Udege from Siberia who was one of the organizers of the UN conference, was denied permission to fly out of Moscow after officials took his passport and returned it to him with a page removed – a condition they said disqualified him from traveling. Valentina Sovkina and another leader of the Saami ethnic group were delayed in leaving for the conference after her “car tires were cut, they were stopped by traffic police for several hours and an attempt was made to snatch Sovkina’s belongings,” the group reported.)


Police Searches for ‘Prohibited Literature’

The crackdown against Crimea’s Tatars has included a string of armed searches by police of the homes of Mejlis leaders and other Tatar activists, as well as at a Tatar school and a mosque. The officers told Tatars that they were in search of “weapons, drugs and prohibited literature,” according to an account last week by Andrei Kolokoltsev, a Simferopol correspondent of RFE-RL.

Many of Crimea’s Tatars describe Russia’s military seizure of Crimea in March as a third historic tragedy for their community, following the czarist Russian Empire’s annexation of their state in 1783, and former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin’s brutal deportation of all Tatars from Crimea to Central Asia in 1944, an ordeal in which nearly half of their quarter-million population died. Since the 1992 collapse of the Soviet Union, the Tatars have been moving back to Crimea to rebuild their community, a process that some ethnic Russians on the peninsula have resisted, for fear of losing power, land, and economic advantages.

James Rupert is an editor at the Atlantic Council.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russia-moves-to-shut-down-isolate-crimeas-tatar-community

That is official news:
http://itar-tass.com/proisshestviya/1475021


Russia launches criminal case on genocide of Russian speakers in south-eastern Ukraine

Vladimir Markin also said at least 2,500 residents of south-eastern Ukraine have been killed as a result of attacks with use of multiple rocket launchers

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Ukrainian servicemen seen during military parade oin Kiev© EPA/TATYANA ZENKOVICH



MOSCOW, September 29. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s Investigative Committee has initiated a criminal case on genocide of the Russian-speaking population in the embattled southeast of Ukraine, the committee’s spokesman Vladimir Markin said Monday.
“The Main Investigative Directorate of the Russian Investigative Committee has launched criminal proceedings on the genocide of the Russian-speaking population living in the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s republics [Article 357 of Russia’s Criminal Code],” Markin told ITAR-TASS.
Investigators established that “in the period from April 12, 2014 until now, in violation of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [CPPCG], as well as other international legal acts condemning genocide, unidentified persons from among the top political and military leadership of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, National Guard and Right Sector [far-right ultranationalist organization] gave orders designed to eliminate Russian-speaking nationals residing on the territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics”.

Use of multiple launch rocket systems
Vladimir Markin also said at least 2,500 residents of south-eastern Ukraine have been killed as a result of multiple launch systems attacks.
“Investigators established that killings of Russian-speaking citizens were made with the use of the Grad and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems, aviation unguided rockets with cluster warheads, Tochka-U tactical missiles and other types of heavy offensive armaments of indiscriminate effect,” Markin told ITAR-TASS.
“As a result of these actions, at least 2,500 people died,” he said.
Besides, Markin added, “over 500 residential houses, utilities and life support facilities, hospitals, child, general education institutions were destroyed in the Donetsk and Luhansk [People’s] republics, as a result of which more than 300,000 residents who feared for their life and health were forced to leave their permanent places of residence and seek refuge on the territory of the Russian Federation”.

How russians falsifies the reports of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing"

Mysterious expert - In the OSCE do not know, "human rights activist" Ejnar Graudins, who declared about the atrocities of the Ukrainian military in the Donetsk region

http://www.svoboda.org/content/article/26615443.html

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Hate billboard.

Russian occupation forces engage in ethnic cleansing of Simferopol market

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The latest outrage by the thug occupation forces installed by the Kremlin merely adds to the ever-growing list of human rights abuses against the non-Russian population there.

Today at the “Locomotive” retail market in Simferopol (the capitol of Crimea) Russian law enforcement officers in balaclavas detained sellers of non-Slavic appearance reports DePo’s own correspondent from the scene.

People in law enforcement uniforms wearing balaclavas as well as several people in plain clothes raided shops of the mall.

They entered each shop and demanded ID documents from sellers with non-Slavic appearance. However, Crimeans simply are not used to carrying passports with them, so they were immediately detained by police until identification.

One of the owners of a kiosk was indignant: “Why do you make a terrorist out of me? Why are you treating me this way?”

News about the raid swept through the mall in an instant: “They ‘take’ not everyone. ‘Ours’ are not arrested.”

The DePo reported earlier that Mustafa Dzhemilev, the national leader of Crimean Tatars, told European parliamentarians at a meeting of Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe that 18 Crimean Tatars disappeared with no trace during the Russian occupation of the Crimea. According to Dzhemilev, Crimean Tatars are under severe pressure from the occupation authorities of the Crimea, many Tatars have been arrested without any legal basis.

http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/14096.html