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August 25, 2011, 09:30:26 AM
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Gay, straight.... zig zag.. whatever...  I am really not interested nor care about anyone's sexuality as long as they don't push it on me. I'm straight but I don't need to wave a flag about it (except just now). Pattaya is not the BEST place to hold a bitcoin conference. Bitcoin is already got enough trouble the bad press that insists the only viable thing right now holding bitcoin up to real value is silk road's drug site via tor.  Having an official conference about bitcoin in Pattaya which is known for it's sex industry is not in my opinion a very good idea - it is ASKING for bad press to further associate bitcoin with just wild crazy illegal activities.

I enjoy a good burning man festival, but I wouldn't make it where any OFFICIAL bitcoin conference is held, even though having a meet up there would make sense. Just my two bitcents.

Also - remember you are trying to spread bitcoin to regular people, not just rich high volume btc holders.... do those events in private if you want to. Do you really think your average joe is going to go to Pattaya to learn about bitcoin if they are not heavily invested in it? Think about it.  Not trying to stifle you're sense of adventure, I like a good party and travel as much as anyone, but I agree with what some others have already stated.  

I'll see you at the next NYC conference and if you want to make sure this one streams correctly I can provide that.

So whats your opinion about Amsterdam?

Amsterdam's better than Pattaya but still, Amsterdam is associated in most people's minds as the drug & sex and party city so I still don't think it's a good strategic move at this point.  I might go, I just don't think it's going to be good for bitcoin's rep.  I can just see the articles now "Bitcoin, known for it's use in buying illegal drugs and contraband on the Silk Road website, is now taking it once step further and meeting to do it in Amsterdam"

I agree with one of the several posters above to keep in in some of the main legit financial centers.... maybe in Vegas if you want to have party time yet still be legit.  The goal is to get more NON bitcoin people involved so yes, you can have the geek bitcoin experts and rich massive btc holders, but you can also have NEW people coming up and getting their first bitcoin wallet set up and getting some free bitcoins or prizes etc..... it sounds more like these cities are for party time for the high btc holders than spreading bitcoin and having a real conference that open up bitcoin and furthers it's legitimacy - and to you super early adopters BTC elites, you guys should be putting up some coins to make this happen, if you;re sitting on thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of bitcoins, it is in your best interest to give some away to spread the bitcoin far and wide to new users.  It doesn't hurt you much since you were able to mine at a far increased level, and it will sustain the value of your coins.. probably more than any lost value you would incur by giving some away.

Have fun, party, but do that after a real conference that can be accessed by most people.  I'm not ragging on Bruce or any of the gang, they were extremely friendly and hospitable, I just got bogged down and couldn't make it (I found out about it really late).

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August 25, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
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Amsterdam is fine for me. Madrid is closer, but that's asking too much. Wink


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August 25, 2011, 10:32:08 AM
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I forgot to mention that...    We do have a booth at this year's upcoming CES.....   a Bitcoin Booth.   Email me if you want to know more about that.
This!
Would you have a booth at the CES if the CES was in Hawai?
Do you think you would get the same media exposure?
Do you think you would get a lot of prospects coming at your booth?
Conferences and expos in exotic countries tend to be attended only by their own speakers and their family.
It is just a convenient way to go on holidays for free at company / tax payers expenses.


If you don't like the city.... skip that one.    I listed 12 cities....   Pick one you approve of, and go.
That is just going to dilute the attendance and therefore the very interest of this conference.


There are plenty of families with kids who will be attending in Pattaya and Amsterdam.     The city is only what you make it.
I think we hit the center of the problem here.
What is the purpose of organizing Bitcoin Conferences? Is it for expanding its market share in places where that matters most (certainly not Pattaya) or is it for fun and leisure?
Is the expected audiance merchants, investors and general public prospects or the bitcoiners and their families?

If it is the former purpose, your list of places is wrong. Economic / financial centers are the place where you want to organize the conferences if you want to reach a decent number of local merchants and business owners. Bitcoin is not going to get endemic because it gained wider  adoption in Pattaya.
If it is the latter purpose (which it seems to be), then "Bitcoin Conference" is a misnamer that will only create confusion and bad press. "Bitcoin Offsite" would be better.


There are also plenty of people who are ecstatic that we included those two cities.
Let me doubt they are ecstatic about the opportunity for Bitcoin or business in general.


Also....   After giving it much thought, I realized that we do NOT have to pattern ourselves after DefCon or Comdex or CES. 
Neither do we need to pattern ourselves on mundane associations like the Lion's Club and co.


Bitcoin is new.     Bitcoin is ground-breaking.     Bitcoin is global.
We can make our own new rules.    ....and we have a whole planet to cater to.
You can make your own rules in your own events under your own brand.
You can call it OnlyOneTv Conference if you like or TheBitcoinShow Expo.
But please don't brand it as a Bitcoin official event.

Bitcoin is a currency and what it wants is business, not holidays.
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August 25, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
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Are all the people that think Amsterdam is a bad location from the US or something?

I'm from EU and yeah...never heard such crap. Amsterdam is fine, there is nothing wrong with weed or sex, and even if those things were bad it's still a great location, easily reachable from anywhere in Europe and the largest city in the Netherlands...

Seems like some people think the world revolves around America, and everything that their precious government says is correct. I recommend you leave your sheltered pathetic little lives for some time and see the world from outside your little box, you will find that actually the rest of the world thinks the US is a joke and your not the center of the world.
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August 25, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
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Are all the people that think Amsterdam is a bad location from the US or something?

I'm from EU and yeah...never heard such crap. Amsterdam is fine, there is nothing wrong with weed or sex, and even if those things were bad it's still a great location, easily reachable from anywhere in Europe and the largest city in the Netherlands...

Seems like some people think the world revolves around America, and everything that their precious government says is correct. I recommend you leave your sheltered pathetic little lives for some time and see the world from outside your little box, you will find that actually the rest of the world thinks the US is a joke and your not the center of the world.

I refuse to have a Bitcoin meeting in California. They are the world producers of porn and that would create bad reputation for Bitcoin.  Roll Eyes
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August 25, 2011, 10:58:29 AM
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How about a conference on Mars? afaik there ain't no porn on Mars (yet).  Huh

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August 25, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
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Are all the people that think Amsterdam is a bad location from the US or something?
No, they are trolls from the SA board.

I'm from EU and yeah...never heard such crap. Amsterdam is fine, there is nothing wrong with weed or sex, and even if those things were bad it's still a great location, easily reachable from anywhere in Europe and the largest city in the Netherlands...

Seems like some people think the world revolves around America, and everything that their precious government says is correct.
Very few people think that, even from America.  Most Americans think our government is crap.  The majority of Americans are for the legalization of weed and simply love sex.  There is a small (but vocal) minority that do not. 

I recommend you leave your sheltered pathetic little lives for some time and see the world from outside your little box, you will find that actually the rest of the world thinks the US is a joke and your not the center of the world.

I have traveled all over the world, including Amsterdam.  Very few people think the US is a joke, and despite OUR STUPID GOVERNMENT they still want to come here.   When in other countries, they complain about very similar things to what we do such as taxes, government waste and corruption, and the price of things.

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August 25, 2011, 12:25:44 PM
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I have traveled all over the world, including Amsterdam.  Very few people think the US is a joke, and despite OUR STUPID GOVERNMENT they still want to come here. 

They were being polite to you. After you were gone, they told their friends that they are now more sure than ever that the US is a joke. Wink

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August 25, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
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Amsterdam's better than Pattaya but still, Amsterdam is associated in most people's minds as the drug & sex and party city

1) Are you from the US?
2) What countries outside the US have you travelled to?

(Your personal info says you're http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Biggins and would indeed be american but if you are Michael you should should really know better)

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August 25, 2011, 04:02:26 PM
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Bitcoin is new.     Bitcoin is ground-breaking.     Bitcoin is global.
We can make our own new rules.    ....and we have a whole planet to cater to.
You can make your own rules in your own events under your own brand.
You can call it OnlyOneTv Conference if you like or TheBitcoinShow Expo.
But please don't brand it as a Bitcoin official event.

Bitcoin is a currency and what it wants is business, not holidays.

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Bitcoin in order to become more successful needs to get the business community interested and average ordinary people.

Ordinary people need to be welcomed and embraced and shown how Bitcoin can help them in their daily lives in these
uncertain economic times.  We shouldn't turn them off... piss them off... offend them... etc. etc.

What we don't need is a clique of elites globe-hopping from one party to another portraying themselves as the
official Bitcoin spokesmen... 


Gawd, do we ever need some sensible and professional PR types to step up...


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August 25, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
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there is nothing wrong with weed or sex

So go on a crusade to promote sex, drugs and rock n' roll.  Or do what thou wilt in the privacy of your
own home, or anywhere you please...  I may even join you...  I'm all for those things.

But why tie it in with Bitcoin?   



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Bitcoin is new.     Bitcoin is ground-breaking.     Bitcoin is global.
We can make our own new rules.    ....and we have a whole planet to cater to.
You can make your own rules in your own events under your own brand.
You can call it OnlyOneTv Conference if you like or TheBitcoinShow Expo.
But please don't brand it as a Bitcoin official event.

Bitcoin is a currency and what it wants is business, not holidays.

+1


Bitcoin in order to become more successful needs to get the business community interested and average ordinary people.

Ordinary people need to be welcomed and embraced and shown how Bitcoin can help them in their daily lives in these
uncertain economic times.  We shouldn't turn them off... piss them off... offend them... etc. etc.

What we don't need is a clique of elites globe-hopping from one party to another portraying themselves as the
official Bitcoin spokesmen... 


Gawd, do we ever need some sensible and professional PR types to step up...



Agreed. Check out my other thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39030.0
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August 25, 2011, 07:28:23 PM
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A Bitcoin convention in Dubai would be awesome. It's both a respected new financial hub and a very fun, exciting holiday destination. Great central location between Europe and India.
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Bitcoin is new.     Bitcoin is ground-breaking.     Bitcoin is global.
We can make our own new rules.    ....and we have a whole planet to cater to.
You can make your own rules in your own events under your own brand.
You can call it OnlyOneTv Conference if you like or TheBitcoinShow Expo.
But please don't brand it as a Bitcoin official event.

Bitcoin is a currency and what it wants is business, not holidays.

+1


Bitcoin in order to become more successful needs to get the business community interested and average ordinary people.

Ordinary people need to be welcomed and embraced and shown how Bitcoin can help them in their daily lives in these
uncertain economic times.  We shouldn't turn them off... piss them off... offend them... etc. etc.

What we don't need is a clique of elites globe-hopping from one party to another portraying themselves as the
official Bitcoin spokesmen... 


Gawd, do we ever need some sensible and professional PR types to step up...



Agreed. Check out my other thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39030.0

...and when you go there, please ignore my first couple comments, for I effed up. The thread has the making of becoming a several pager. PR is where it's at.


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August 26, 2011, 03:53:16 AM
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Wow...

That sure is... a lot of conferences.


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August 26, 2011, 06:28:10 AM
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Are all the people that think Amsterdam is a bad location from the US or something?
No, they are trolls from the SA board.

I'm from EU and yeah...never heard such crap. Amsterdam is fine, there is nothing wrong with weed or sex, and even if those things were bad it's still a great location, easily reachable from anywhere in Europe and the largest city in the Netherlands...

Seems like some people think the world revolves around America, and everything that their precious government says is correct.
Very few people think that, even from America.  Most Americans think our government is crap.  The majority of Americans are for the legalization of weed and simply love sex.  There is a small (but vocal) minority that do not.  

I recommend you leave your sheltered pathetic little lives for some time and see the world from outside your little box, you will find that actually the rest of the world thinks the US is a joke and your not the center of the world.

I have traveled all over the world, including Amsterdam.  Very few people think the US is a joke, and despite OUR STUPID GOVERNMENT they still want to come here.   When in other countries, they complain about very similar things to what we do such as taxes, government waste and corruption, and the price of things.
+1 to this entire post.

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If you been there please don't click on the link (they love the attention.) I have already applied to be moderator here, and I swear I will handle it if I get the chance. About 200+ people would be banned overnight, but I swear to god I would clean this place up...

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If you been there please don't click on the link (they love the attention.) I have already applied to be moderator here, and I swear to god I will handle it if I get the chance. About 200+ people would be banned overnight, but I swear to god I would clean this place up...

Hell yeah! After all, what good does free speech do anyway! It just makes people say stuff you don't want to hear. Go get em! Cheesy

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If you been there please don't click on the link (they love the attention.) I have already applied to be moderator here, and I swear to god I will handle it if I get the chance. About 200+ people would be banned overnight, but I swear to god I would clean this place up...

Hell yeah! After all, what good does free speech do anyway! It just makes people say stuff you don't want to hear. Go get em! Cheesy
There is a difference between free speech and disruptive speech sir.

One leads to change, the other leads to a jail cell.

EDIT: Or even worse, a mental institution. Which is where 90% of the SA members belong.

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There is a difference between free speech and disruptive speech sir.

Yeah, we know that from China, several Arab countries and to a lesser extend also Russia. If something is not what you would like to hear, you just call it disruptive and have it removed.

Maybe you should look up what freedom of speech means. Anyway, I'm sure you'll remember my name so you can ban my "disruptive speech" whenever you manage to get a hold on some moderation-power :')

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There is a difference between free speech and disruptive speech sir.

Yeah, we know that from China, several Arab countries and to a lesser extend also Russia. If something is not what you would like to hear, you just call it disruptive and have it removed.

Maybe you should look up what freedom of speech means. Anyway, I'm sure you'll remember my name so you can ban my "disruptive speech" whenever you manage to get a hold on some moderation-power :')
Real cute comparing probably one of the loosest forums I have ever seen in my life (btctalk) to Red China... That's such an oxymoron I don't even need to refute it.

This community is vigilant and while some criticism was deserved, this has been an open opportunity for people to go way over their daily limits. I think collectively as a majority
we want structure in this community, so that day to day reading is much easier. We all come here to dicuss our ideas and get as much information as possible. People who come here for the sole purpose to disrupt & dilute the value of this community, actually harm Bitcoins by tarnishing the reputation of all it's supporting community members.

You're on my watch list.

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