Bitcoin Forum
November 20, 2017, 01:48:30 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.15.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 ... 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 [156] 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 »
  Print  
Author Topic: [ANN][TAC] TalkCoin  (Read 262987 times)
AizenSou
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:09:29 AM
 #3101

I will follow this
Quote
Once we stop this hardfork (community agreeing of course!), the dev has agreed to continue development as usual. (this is “Talkcoin” rather than “TalkTeam”)
If you guys agree with not letting these guys take our coin, I would like you to say so. We will then contact the exchanges and pools to make sure they're using the official code and this crap should all be over.

contact the exchanges and pools asap
my suggestion:We will choose the best wallet version rather than a team.

BTW:the new v2 wallet have a 3% tax fee and the coins used on chatting in the walllet will send to them too?it's not a good sight.they will pump the coins of course.

Of course ,I will write to the  exchanges and pools to prevent them accept the v2 version.
and,anyone post the email of those  exchanges and pools ? thanks.


Thank-you, this is the contact details of the exchanges and pools. Two of them I don't have email of so you'll have to send a msg on bitcointalk.

bittrex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=96390
poloniex: contact@poloniex.com

dwarfpool: admin@dwarfpool.com
xhash: support@xhash.net
nonce-pool :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=259723





If you concern about the 3% of new team, read this.
The dev fee is since new voting period (last week) 0.82/16.90 = 4.85%.
You cry about 3% paid for the whole team while ignoring about almost 5% for one person. It's hilarious.


You need to stop making out that we are a sinister bunch of people.

The original dev had already said to Andy "All features complete, no more development", Andy (Talkteam) didn't hear from the dev for about a month after that.

I also had a few interesting conversations with the original dev, which left me with an uneasy feeling.

An independent code review was done and well, you know the rest.

We discussed long and hard about reducing the block reward, however we have already tried this in the past and miners left us in large quantities, it's not in the best interests of the coin long term.  This has been proven.


Ignore that guy at best, Chris. He showed his support towards the team with the new update
Thanks for the update, its great to see the coin being taken over and looked after and I’m sure everyone appreciates your effort.


Then he pissed off because the block reward doesn't work the way he wants to, so he posts a lot of shits.
k-meister if you take so much time to research about Talkcoin, why don't you pay attention to this:

- votedev could vote to 100% from the start
https://github.com/talkcoin/talkcoin-wallet/blob/8c71e9971a6ca478f2cf8f97e95d08cf47183b76/src/rpcwallet.cpp
Code:
   if (fHelp || params.size() != 1)
        throw runtime_error(
            "votedev <amount per cent>\n"
            "Percentage to be given to developers 0-100");

    if (nSubsidy <= 0)
        throw JSONRPCError(RPC_CLIENT_NOT_CONNECTED, "Invalid Subsidy");

    if (!(params[0].get_real() >= 0 && params[0].get_real() <=100))
        throw JSONRPCError(RPC_INVALID_PARAMETER, "Invalid Percentage");

    int64 nVote2 = nSubsidy * params[0].get_real() / 100;
- after secretly acquiring a lot of TAC without saying anyone (up to more than 30% in one voting period) and being scared of found out due to the block explorer available, he changed to 10% with version 1.1
https://github.com/talkcoin/talkcoin-wallet/blob/2dd6630c5bbda9d1c6559e8f8b696230961a8ae0/src/rpcwallet.cpp

- he changed again to 5% with version 1.3
https://github.com/talkcoin/talkcoin-wallet/blob/3eea265abdc6f7374ce198a258e72c3172e8fbe1/src/rpcwallet.cpp

Actually the fee stays at 3.9% for the whole time after we paid attention to this matter, it's never 3%.

Do you think the new team still willing to work with a person like that ? I doubt.
1511185710
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511185710

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511185710
Reply with quote  #2

1511185710
Report to moderator
1511185710
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511185710

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511185710
Reply with quote  #2

1511185710
Report to moderator
1511185710
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511185710

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511185710
Reply with quote  #2

1511185710
Report to moderator
Join ICO Now Coinlancer is Disrupting the Freelance marketplace!
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1511185710
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511185710

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511185710
Reply with quote  #2

1511185710
Report to moderator
Litejavichu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 676



View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:09:50 AM
 #3102

Original DEV has stolen many coins. Hardfork solves the problem of hidden code.
voltage_surge
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 16


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
 #3103


This "v2" is not talkcoin but a hostile takeover attempt.

Do not switch to this wallet.

The only official talkcoin wallet is at http://talkcoin.org



Let the new team theirselves to play this game.
We community refuse to use the scam v2 wallet
New team is much more shameless .
Litejavichu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 676



View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:17:30 AM
 #3104

The DEV original "Talkcoin" here, has stolen a lot of currencies and has damaged the currency by selling at very low prices. Never had the intention to make this project succeed, only steal and leave coin die.
Litejavichu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 676



View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:17:44 AM
 #3105



TALKCOIN V2.0 MANDATORY UPDATE

Please ensure sure you update to the V2.0 wallet before block #465,100 / Monday 8th September.

Talkcoin v2.0 Windows: (later today)

Talkcoin v2.0 Mac: link

Source: https://github.com/Talkcoin-Team/talkcoin

Release Notes:

  • Removed block reward voting and implement hard cap of 48m TAC with halving every 1.5 million blocks

  • Removed dev fund* voting, fixed dev fund to 3% of mining reward, all funds sent to: ToZLw9DGGw2e6USazXQNY25YpdiUDwMNpM

  • Reduce chat fees** and redirect to: TwdzYBNxCHzWwSiuDb7TgMjQxMLbGeVswM

Full source changes for v2.0 can be found here: https://github.com/Talkcoin-Team/talkcoin/commits/master-0.8

*Dev fund will now be made public and used only to pay for actual development, promotions, giveaways or any other activity people are doing to add value to Talkcoin.

**Due to the hardfork Chat fees won't be destroyed to reduce the supply.  Instead all chat fees will be given back to the community through faucets and giveaways.

Bump  Smiley
+1
voltage_surge
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 16


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:27:36 AM
 #3106

The DEV original "Talkcoin" here, has stolen a lot of currencies and has damaged the currency by selling at very low prices. Never had the intention to make this project succeed, only steal and leave coin die.
May Talkcoin v1 and Scam v2 die!!
Litejavichu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 676



View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:36:25 AM
 #3107

I love the ignore "click"
Ignition75
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 462


www.dashpay.io


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
 #3108

I love the ignore "click"

+ 1

The new generation have arrived and they brought their own currency...
xfranz
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 252


xHash.net Pools


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
 #3109


We updated to V2 Tongue Happy mining

TalkTeam
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 126


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
 #3110

Windows wallet link and OP updated.



TALKCOIN V2.0 MANDATORY UPDATE

Please ensure sure you update to the V2.0 wallet before block #465,100 / Monday 8th September.

Talkcoin v2.0 Windows: link

Talkcoin v2.0 Mac: link

Source: https://github.com/Talkcoin-Team/talkcoin

Release Notes:

  • Removed block reward voting and implement hard cap of 48m TAC with halving every 1.5 million blocks

  • Removed dev fund* voting, fixed dev fund to 3% of mining reward, all funds sent to: ToZLw9DGGw2e6USazXQNY25YpdiUDwMNpM

  • Reduce chat fees** and redirect to: TwdzYBNxCHzWwSiuDb7TgMjQxMLbGeVswM

Full source changes for v2.0 can be found here: https://github.com/Talkcoin-Team/talkcoin/commits/master-0.8

*Dev fund will now be made public and used only to pay for actual development, promotions, giveaways or any other activity people are doing to add value to Talkcoin.

**Due to the hardfork Chat fees won't be destroyed to reduce the supply.  Instead all chat fees will be given back to the community through faucets and giveaways.

TalkCoin | First Anonymous Chat | First NIST5 Algo
beyonders
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 117


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
 #3111


We updated to V2 Tongue Happy mining

thx
let's mining again

Coffeecoin - C6QtWUNtSCr4dj6MeZ6tLk51srpcNSR6qZ
karimdr2
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 364


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
 #3112


We updated to V2 Tongue Happy mining

Thanks for your support  Smiley

★ BitNet ★ New Darknet, better than TOR ! FREE VPN ! Free Distribution 14,000,000 VPNCOIN!!! Vg7NuuuJt2snso5N1EMPyPwSTHb2ByiHRo
BTC: 1Gu3KYr3HV1TGJmqgSXXQbGxxdLzTEAN6o
Hodor_keeper_of_the_light
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 196


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
 #3113

did dwarfpool updated? have you contacted them?

yibit
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 68


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
 #3114

Sorry I've been away for so long.
When you're given a lot of empty hype and bullshit, and nobody can answer questions logically, you know something is very wrong.
I've spent 3 days trying to find out what has really been going on with this takeover.
I'd like to thank the real talkcoin developer “Talkcoin” for helping me piece things together, and also a person in the takeover team who wishes to remain anonymous.

Part 1

“This is hardly a takover....  we just all agreed to replace one team member who happened to be the core dev who created the project.”

It seems we've all been royally duped.

What we've been presented is this:

The dev team behind talkcoin have replaced the original developer because of some kind of financial impropriety/dishonesty against the coin, and are continuing development of the coin for the community's sake.

The real story is this:

There is only 1 coin developer who's been building talkcoin, who founded the coin has written all the features by himself. He is the real dev and is called "Talkcoin" (as opposed to TalkTeam).
TalkTeam is someone he paid to help out with non-technical tasks such as running the forum.
Recently, a group of miners led by TalkTeam – who were in a trusted position supposedly helping the talkcoin dev, made a hostile takeover move against both the dev and the community. They tried to force-implement their own agenda and, by the looks of the code, apparently steal coins. And they used a provably false claim of financial dishonesty of the dev as an excuse. They didn't say anything at all to the dev, they simply went behind his back and paid an outsider (Bushstar) to change the talkcoin code. And then they stuck 2 fingers up to the community as we all know. The code changes were:

1) Re-routed all the destroyed Talkcoins, which were originally being sent to the genesis block for destruction, into their own wallet (!!!)
2) Re-routed the dev fund wallet to their own wallet, so they now take all the dev funds for themselves even though they're not developers and haven't done any development work.
3) Removed dev fund voting so they always get 3% of the block reward instead of what the community decides
4) Removed the block reward voting system to force use of the block reward they wanted to get as miners – 22% of the current market cap per month!

By them mining their own enforced 2 million new coins every month, they would soon own a huge chunk of talkcoin for very cheap. The price of coins would be so low that there wouldn't be large mining competition for them. The value would effectively be slowly leeched from the current holders of the coin to themselves.
Is it just coincidence that they got so heavy about dictating the block reward to force the 2 million new coins? You decide. Even if we were to assume their aim wasn't to leech talkcoin's value from investors, they still knew that's what would happen when they set that block reward and mined these coins.
Investors buy coins on the exchange, then the miners end up owning that value after the investors' coins are diluted to nearly nothing. And they kept saying it was in our best interests! 

They've tried to justify it by saying they need to follow the original bitcoin financial model (as opposed to any normal altcoin model) but as I detailed in my last post, bitcoin did not use this model of investor leeching and it's extremely abnormal for crypto.
They constantly spam out posts to have us believe that they have some understanding of economics that nobody else understands, seemingly that basic supply and demand laws aren't real and flooding the market with coins won't lower the price (!)
Please see my last post to view their level of understanding of economics.


Back to the story - they approached the mining pools and exchanges with the new code and said there had been a “takeover”, but without mentioning that they were making a hostile takeover attempt against both the coin developer and the community. They couldn't say that because of course the pools and exchanges wouldn't have accepted it.

At the same time they had the PR machine in motion, building up for weeks that something incredibly great was happening to the coin. They used their position as official helpers of the real dev to make everything look official and above board.

They then falsely accused the real developer of financial impropriety in order to destroy his reputation and cut him out.
In the original talkcoin OP, the one operated by the real dev “Talkcoin”, he (Talkcoin) explains that there is a user-votable dev fund to fund coin development:
“Users can vote the amount of coins to be given to developers in each block that they found... If you want to give 1%, 2% or 3% you choose! The default value is 1%. Note: you also can reduce donation to zero!”

The dev was sharing the coins from this fund out and “TalkTeam” and his group were all being paid from it. The dev says TalkTeam personally received more than 100k coins of it.
Yet last week when TalkTeam announced he was taking over he suddenly claimed:
“For the record, we the team did not know about the dev fund.”
“We are against the secrecy in how this was hidden and operated secretly without telling the rest of the team and the community.”
“We started crisis meetings on IRC recently and audited the core code”

Ignition75, part of the takeover group, said:
“The lead dev has been dishonest”
“Soon we will be free of the dishonest code.”
Ignition75 was asked by someone to explain what the dishonest code was but he wouldn't give a reply.

So the dev fund was detailed in the OP and the team had been getting paid from it for 3 months, yet they suddenly claimed it was a big secret that the dev had kept to himself and made it out to be an emergency situation which required taking over the coin.
But strangely at another point Talkteam admits he actually DID know about it:
“Although the fund is mentioned on the old thread we didn't see that it was implemented”

And their solution to this emergency? Take over the coin, funnel the dev fund money into their own wallets instead, and take out the community vote so they get 3% of the block reward automatically, forever. Take all the coins heading for destruction in the genesis block for themselves. (Hard to believe! But its in the code).  Then force 2 million new coins to be created every month for them to mine, against everyone's wishes.

After all the accusations and the takeover post, the real developer was outnumbered and intimidated and he almost felt himself that he must have done something wrong. And so he has kept away from the talkcoin forum. Which was unfortunate for us because we didn't find out what was going on.

As we all know, everyone in the community has been up in arms and the price collapsed, but the team have made it clear in their pretend-polite way the coin is now theirs and they're running a dictatorship.
Their enforced coin spam creation of 22% per month has made all investors' coins worth very little, doomed the coin's future, and crashed the market on bittrex. Since their announcement, the price on bittrex has fallen from 1450 sats to 450 sats, with only 0.1 btc volume – meaning we've already hit the delisting threshold.
The community made it very clear what they thought and the forum filled up with demands for a vote about block reward and complaints such as:
"How can you get away with taking over and doing what you want against everyones wishes? Go and f**k yourselves."

One of their tricks is to use their numbers (there are 8 people listed as in their group - though not all are part of the takeover) as a way to volume-post to dilute the complaints against them. If someone complains, they will send a few posts out trying to put a peaceful face on everything to make sure things don't get out of control, and to try to hide the complaints from any mining pools or exchanges who might be checking out the thread. Sometimes they even just post to agree with each other! If you take out their propaganda posts from the thread, virtually every post is a complaint against what they are doing, except for posts from 1 guy who coincidentally is also a miner.


Who are these people?
Talkcoin was started by the developer “Talkcoin” (as opposed to “TalkTeam” the takeover leader). He came up with the concept and did all of the development of the coin.
According to Talkcoin:
Talkcoin paid TalkTeam to help out, he helped out with non-technical things such as the forum.
He also paid djm34 to do some basic cosmetic changes on the wallet –  “new fonts, new color, new icons etc”. Interesting that he's now listed as their "lead developer"!
TalkTeam then invited his friends into the team without any authority to do so, a group of miners: “Other people in the team have been invited by TalkTeam without my agreement, I don't really know what they do and I don't think they are useful.”
Very little noticable has happened on the coin other than the development which Talkcoin did, so what these people have done is unknown other than awarding themselves posh titles like “business developer” and collecting the cash from the dev fund. According to Talkcoin, “these titles are just bullshit but it's better for marketing”

This group have now backstabbed and lost the only talkcoin developer in order to take control, the only person who understood the code or had the vision. They now have between them a bunch of posh titles, but nobody who knows about coin development, other than maybe the outsider they're paying to do the takeover code. So now they have a problem. They're happily mining away but they have no idea how to maintain the talkcoin code, much less build new features on it. And Talkcoin says he didn't comment any of his code so it would be difficult for other people to change it. The new wallet release they made to make their takeover attempt seems like it has already stopped working correctly, and people are having to manually edit their config files to get it running.
So all that stuff about future roadmap. Well it doesn't look like there is any future roadmap except to Brokeville. They've given some vague words holding a general promise of their development plan happening within 3-5 years(!?), focused around communications.

So there we have it, talkcoin hostile takeover exposed!

Part 2

But talkcoin is our money, and the people who own the coin are the ones who have the say. These people actually have no right to just take it over and do whatever they like.
So here is the good news!
They may have made it seem to everyone like they're now in control and we have no choice but to accept the takeover. But what they don't want us to know is, that's actually not the situation at all. And their hardfork hasn't even happened yet.
It's actually really simple: we stick to using the official wallet and we tell the mining pools and exchanges what's been going on. They will not then switch to their hardfork and we can go back to normal. Smiley

Once we stop this hardfork (community agreeing of course!), the dev has agreed to continue development as usual. (this is “Talkcoin” rather than “TalkTeam”)
The block reward voting system wasn't very popular, so the dev agrees that the voting system should be removed and the block reward should be fixed at around 5 TAC (if the community agrees), to get the price back on track.
I will stick around to help make sure everything goes smoothly and help find new team members, ones who can do actual work.

I would also like to help out in the future of talkcoin with some development and the occasional PR. Who am I and why do I think I can help? I have 20 years experience of software development and running a software business. I ran the MtGox protest in Japan earlier this year (along with my co-protester). I'm regularly at bitcoin events, I'm often on the news talking about bitcoin, have contacts throughout the industry, and have many of the key industry players and TV/press following me on social media.

If you guys agree with not letting these guys take our coin, I would like you to say so. We will then contact the exchanges and pools to make sure they're using the official code and this crap should all be over.

Please only use the official wallets.
These are on http://talkcoin.org which is still run by the real dev.

Kolin


Bump.

really nice story!
karimdr2
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 364


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:22:08 PM
 #3115

did dwarfpool updated? have you contacted them?

Yes, I think they updated the wallet! I await their official confirmation.

★ BitNet ★ New Darknet, better than TOR ! FREE VPN ! Free Distribution 14,000,000 VPNCOIN!!! Vg7NuuuJt2snso5N1EMPyPwSTHb2ByiHRo
BTC: 1Gu3KYr3HV1TGJmqgSXXQbGxxdLzTEAN6o
yibit
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 68


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
 #3116

Quote
The new team seems more sinister



bittrex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=96390
poloniex: contact@poloniex.com

dwarfpool: admin@dwarfpool.com
xhash: support@xhash.net
nonce-pool :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=259723

write to them tell them the story, ASAP ; D we can save TAC with our hands.
Hodor_keeper_of_the_light
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 196


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:24:44 PM
 #3117

maybe we should make a moderated thread? that spam is ridiculous.

yibit
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 68


View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:26:24 PM
 #3118

maybe we should make a moderated thread? that spam is ridiculous.
oh,you can do it.but I see there is a new thread already.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767634 created by the @nicemycoin , you can visit it .
djm34
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1106


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2014, 01:45:34 PM
 #3119

maybe we should make a moderated thread? that spam is ridiculous.
oh,you can do it.but I see there is a new thread already.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767634 created by the @nicemycoin , you can visit it .
trolland  Grin
actually it would be nice if all the troll could migrate to trolland on their own...

djm34 facebook page
BTC: 1NENYmxwZGHsKFmyjTc5WferTn5VTFb7Ze
Pledge for neoscrypt ccminer to that address: 16UoC4DmTz2pvhFvcfTQrzkPTrXkWijzXw
halicarton
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 409



View Profile
September 04, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
 #3120

actually it would be nice if all the troll could migrate to trolland on their own...
you guys like a group of  thieves,you just want some money for sure.the community is forced by you guys,we can't help shout at you! Cry Angry

you are still Show your ugly face!really disgusting!

............It's never late to buy BTC for $1.........
........Services-backed cryptocurrency of $1 000 000 000 000 market .........
..............
...........PRE ICO            Sep.27 – Oct.04............
       ............ICO            Oct.10 – Nov.07............
...................ANN thread      Bounty....................

Pages: « 1 ... 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 [156] 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!