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May 23, 2014, 01:31:59 AM
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May 23, 2014, 04:27:39 AM
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The US, EU and Israel needs to think twice before supporting these goons and supplying them with arms and ammunition. The regular Ukrainian soldiers are refusing to fight the civilians, while it is the Right Sector militants who are usually put on the front line.
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May 23, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
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The thing so sick and twisted it becomes humorous is that exiled Jewish oligarchs are the ones funding these Nazis.

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May 23, 2014, 10:30:54 AM
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The US, EU and Israel needs to think twice before supporting these goons and supplying them with arms and ammunition. The regular Ukrainian soldiers are refusing to fight the civilians, while it is the Right Sector militants who are usually put on the front line.

I don't think they necessarily are supplying them, from what I've heard on the news and stuff they apparently just steal the stockpiles for themselves and if there are neo-nazi's in the military they could easily smuggle them out of the army bases. Granted, I wouldn't put it past our leaders to do such a thing because they're going back to the cold war mentality of "As long as they aren't communist we'll support them".
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May 23, 2014, 10:32:25 AM
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Some things never change. These nazis seem to really think they are doing the right thing.

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The US, EU and Israel needs to think twice before supporting these goons and supplying them with arms and ammunition. The regular Ukrainian soldiers are refusing to fight the civilians, while it is the Right Sector militants who are usually put on the front line.

The US is doing business. The EU politicians only have self interest. I dont know about Israel

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May 23, 2014, 11:40:51 AM
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I don't think they necessarily are supplying them, from what I've heard on the news and stuff they apparently just steal the stockpiles for themselves and if there are neo-nazi's in the military they could easily smuggle them out of the army bases. Granted, I wouldn't put it past our leaders to do such a thing because they're going back to the cold war mentality of "As long as they aren't communist we'll support them".

Right Sector already comprises a large part of the front line troops supporting Kiev in the Eastern Ukraine. They are operating without any centralized command and are using the Ukrainian army vehicles and weapons. It is just a matter of time before they turns up against the Kiev government (can happen if someone opposed to them is elected as the president).
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May 24, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
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If you don't quote a credible source for those allegations, no one believe them.
There is reliable information of some extreme right wing parties on Ukraine, but I would like to see good evidence that they have strong armed groups, autonomous from the State, fighting on the separatist parts of the territory. Those pictures can be from some morons gathering on weekends and harassing some ethnic Russian neighbors.

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May 24, 2014, 01:06:26 PM
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The thing so sick and twisted it becomes humorous is that exiled Jewish oligarchs are the ones funding these Nazis.

People like Igor Kolomoysky are not religious Jews. They are mostly non-religious, and use their Jewish ancestry for lobbying in the United States and Israel. They wouldn't mind allying with the Neo-Nazis, as long as their business interests are guaranteed.
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May 24, 2014, 01:12:17 PM
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If you don't quote a credible source for those allegations, no one believe them.
There is reliable information of some extreme right wing parties on Ukraine, but I would like to see good evidence that they have strong armed groups, autonomous from the State, fighting on the separatist parts of the territory. Those pictures can be from some morons gathering on weekends and harassing some ethnic Russian neighbors.

You have no info about integration of Neo Nazi in Ukrainian armed forces?
https://www.facebook.com/teroboronaDonbass

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May 24, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
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People like Igor Kolomoysky are not religious Jews.

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May 24, 2014, 01:23:49 PM
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Habad is based in New York, with a strong presence in the Western World. Their ultimate aim is to unite the World Jewry. Not only Kolomoyskyi, but also other Jewish oligarchs such as Gennadiy Kernes are members of the Habad.
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May 24, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
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Habad is based

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May 24, 2014, 01:47:05 PM
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There are neo-nazis in every armed forces of the world, including russians. People have the right to have their own believes, as long as they don't act on them, besides doing the roman salutation for the picture. The point is if they are strong enough to operate on their own against ethnic organized russian groups.
Every moron has a facebook page where he pretends to be more than he is, after buying some thousand likes on Five.

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May 24, 2014, 02:38:10 PM
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The point is if they are strong enough to operate on their own against ethnic organized russian groups.
Every moron has a facebook page where he pretends to be more than he is, after buying some thousand likes on Five.

You need learn more about "Svoboda" in Government of Victory.

About facebook - there is ufficial page of Бaтaльoн "Дoнбacc".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vM5QoAErE

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May 24, 2014, 03:09:52 PM
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You have no idea what are you talking about. Ukrainian nazis, ancestors and "heroes" of Svoboda party, are the ones who have killed more than 350000 of polish people without using any weapons. Their weapons were sickles, hoes and saws. The "wrong" people were simply sawn using the joiner and agricultural tools.

Before them nobody in the history did anything like that. And now these monsters are in power again. Roll Eyes
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May 24, 2014, 03:22:29 PM
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I know very well the Volyn massacres, but 70 years passed. Lets not judge an all people for what some of their parents did.
Didn't the russians kill millions of their own citizens during the stalinism, like more or less all our peoples did also in the past? If we go this way, no debate can occur.
And clearly the ukranian government isn't dominated by fascists. One of the small parties seems to be right wing, but the extremists of the right sector are not represented in the government. If you want to make the case for a fascist ukranian government, show evidence.

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May 24, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
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Come on, it seems you are explaining on a very understandable way massacres of minorities.
Stories rarely are clean and cut, but lets avoid to explain or justify things that should ashame us all as human beings.

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May 24, 2014, 04:01:21 PM
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Didn't the russians kill millions of their own citizens during the stalinism, like more or less all our peoples did also in the past?

Are You seriously have no idea about ethnic representation in Soviet Government?

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May 24, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
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A quick recruiting video, if people are unsure of who the RightSector really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4Drl6KBdc
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May 24, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
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I know very well the Volyn massacres, but 70 years passed. Lets not judge an all people for what some of their parents did.
You have to forget about political correctness, it's the only way to save your life from remake of the Volyn massacre. We have to judge them for this. It doesn't matter how many thousands of years passed, because they're promoting these monsters as their heroes, they're doing it right now.

Didn't the russians kill millions of their own citizens during the stalinism, like more or less all our peoples did also in the past?
Firstly, the most of the government positions were obtained by ukrainians, jews, georgians and others. Russians was a minority in Stalin government., the most of the government positions were handled by ukrainians, jews, georgians and others. Russians was a minority in Stalin government.

And actually it's a complicated question. Unlike what the most of western history textbooks say, Stalin wasn't a counterpart of Hitler or Shukhveych. Of course, he acted tough and committed crimes. But as opposed to burning Jews and Volyn massacre, he had a serious reasons to do that.

The main reasons:

  • He had to prevent another coup d'état. Despite the Lenin's death, ideas of permanent world revolution by Trotsky and Bukharin still had a great support in the party. Stalin had to to something with it, because these members of party lived for the sake of the revolution and were ready to do everything for the the revolution. Country wouldn't survive after another revolution, so these cleanings were necessary.
  • I don't think that Hitler's goals in the east were a secret. Stalin certainly had the opportunity to read Mein Kampf, so it was very clear that war was inevitable. At that time the country had an agrarian economy, which was more than 50 years behind in the development. While Germany, UK and US have completed the industrialization a long time ago. It was urgently required to catch up on this gap, otherwise there was a risk to lose the war and then live under occupation.

Unfortunately, in such circumstances, there was a great opportunity to realize the personal ambitions and vendettas, what some of the leaders, including Stalin himself, have done. And as the result, Stalin was the perfect scapegoat for Khrushchev, Yezhov, Beria and other members of the government. In fact a crimes, which Khrushchev has committed, was one of the reasons for the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine. It was a some kind of bribe to get forgiveness for what he had done.

And clearly the ukranian government isn't dominated by fascists. One of the small parties seems to be right wing, but the extremists of the right sector are not represented in the government. If you want to make the case for a fascist ukranian government, show evidence.
There is no difference between Right Sector and Svoboda party, these parties have identical structure, ideology and set of "heroes". The Svoboda party isn't simply another right-wing party, they're open fascists and it's a fact. This could be proven by quting their rhetoric or EU parliamentary resolution 2012/2889.

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The European Parliament <...> 8. Is concerned about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine, expressed in support for the Svoboda Party, which, as a result, is one of the two new parties to enter the Verkhovna Rada; recalls that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles and therefore appeals to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with this party;

A key members of the new "government" are members of Svoboda party. Do you really need any other evidence? Lol, then you have to wake up.  Smiley
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