Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?

[Wandererfromthenorth]

The mentality of an average bitcoiner has gone from

helping to build and a spread the technology behind bitcoin to grow bitcoin and improve the world

to

a market struggle between two opposing teams - the 'bulls' and the 'bears'. you have to chant and cheerlead for your team and opress any discussions that might belong to the other team.

I don't think that if you would have posted "psychics are bullish on bitcoin" the posts would have been much different.
Maybe some "to the moooon" kinda joking posts but the problem is clearly "the psychics" part here.

[TERA]

The problem is the assumption that I have complete faith in these psychics are not skeptical of them myself. The problem is the personalization of every post I make, in which posters go beyond the ojective topic I was talking about and start making statements about me, my personal beliefs, my personal agenda, my personal position, etc. There are often objections to added points I supposedly made which I did not write at all.

[Ibian]

Just one question then tera. Do you believe in paranormal powers?

[MatTheCat]

When I was new on the forum (December 2013) I listened to what tera and matt were saying because they are older members here and they gave reasoning to what they were saying (that made sense). A few months ago (you guys seem to be on the same page @bearish) and got slammed for it by other members.

I still listen to what you guys say and I suggest the newer members just listen to what they are talking about. They have more experience than us (newer members) and could teach us a thing or two.

When Bitcoin was at $800, and I was telling you not to buy or you were gonna be kicking yourself when it was trending in between $400-$500 one day, and I was laughed out the place. I wasn't talking from 'experience'. I had only just discovered what a MACD was in January. I am a noob when it comes to market analysis. What I do have however, is good intuition. My bearishness was always based largely on subconscious instinct. My recent 'pause' in bearishness was also inspired by dreams that I have had. (links posted to dreams I described b4 the market events).....and it is this kind of thing that TERA is talking about......or was trying to talk about before the thread got infested with the usual spastic retard-talk, interspersed with the odd rational genius butting in to point out how psychics are con merchants that set out to manipulate the weak minded.

...btw....at this point in time, I believe Bitcoin will go up a bit from here, but not before a bit more of a correction beforehand....

.....should I get anything else a bit more lucid over the following days, then I shall be sure post it on your dream-speculation thread......although to get a good Bitcoin dream, I normally have to put a good bit of money into a position first, and I am not sure that I want to do that right at the moment.

Just one question then tera. Do you believe in paranormal powers?

He does. But he won't admit that to you for fear of ridicule.

I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.

Can we ask you why? How?

[Ibian]

I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.

Can we ask you why? How?

He thinks dreams are paranormal.

[MatTheCat]

Can we ask you why? How?

Same way as anyone knows anything.

Experience.

Edit: A very large topic and no easy, short, or even long way to go about describing the foundations of my understanding of such phenomena to people who subsribe to a Dawkinsesque rationalist worldview, without inviting ridicule upon myself, so why should I bother?

Point is that there are people out there with a talent for tuning into subconscious and collective subconscious processes on various levels. True, there are a lot of deluded nutters, piss takers, and con merchants, but there is always chaff amongst the grain.

I grew up with a typically secular rationalist mindset, and then I started taking psychedelics. One day, I discovered Fly Agaric mushrooms. I never once managed to take very much without feeling the need to puke, but on one occasion I had an experience with a tree. The tree fucking talked to me, as though it were 'there' and as though it had personality. I immediately rationalised that of course the tree did not talk to me, but the tree did have an energy, ultimately an energy that was related to the grass and land upon which the tree stood, which was also the same energy that consisted of what I am. Thus on these grounds, me and that tree were related, and on a certain level, we could communicate.  From that point on, my regular mushroom trips really started to open up and I soon discovered a wealth of land energy phenomena (yep, I am talking meridian lines and the like) and various purposes that they could serve, or have served in the past. Telepathy is possible. Planets have an energetic influence on the earth. It is possible to tell/sense the future as on the level of the infinite, it has already happened. Energy beings or entities exist that are beyond the perceptive capabilities of our 'normal' 5 sense reality. That in a nutshell is the basis of my understanding of so called 'paranormal' phenomena.

[romneymoney]

[YipYip]

I was walking down the street and this old homeless lady (she looked like a witch to me) was pan handling for money

I asked if she took bitcoin...and her reply was "to DA MooN" and she walked off

Now what can I say its "A SIGN"

[acs267]

I personally never play 'psychic' or play those Bitcoin Oracle games. Price goes up or down whenever it wants to. 'Believing' in it has nothing to do with that whatsoever. Obvious things are behind predictions.

[eoJ]

Actually I'm genuinely interested, can you give me some kind of evidence that would suggest that psychics could have real psychic powers?
Serious question now. no trolling

There is none. If you're middle aged, I can tell you that if you live in a rural/semi rural area, you've got a large tree opposite your house, when you were young, you had an accident that's stuck in your mind, involving water, and that you're experiencing some major health problems right now (look in eye, knowing slight nod).




And one that'll apply to the average member of this forum (credit to Derren Brown, read it as if you've had a consultation with a psychic and they've sent you a letter with it):

You are a person prone to bouts of self-examination. This is in sharp contrast to a striking ability you have developed to appear very socially engaged, even the life and soul of the party; but in a way that only convinces others. You are all too aware of it being a façade.

This means that you will often be at a gathering and find yourself playing a part. While on the one hand you’ll be talkative and funny, you’ll be detaching yourself to the point where you will find yourself watching everything going on around you and feeling utterly unable to engage. You’ll play conversations back to yourself in your head and wonder what that person really meant when he said such-and-such — conversations that other people wouldn’t give a second thought to.

How have you learned to deal with this conflict? Through exercising control. You like to show a calm, self-assured fluid kind of stability (but because this is self-consciously created, it will create bouts of frustrated silliness and a delight in extremes, or at least a delight in being seen to be extreme). You most easily recognise this control in how you are with people around you. You have learned to protect yourself by keeping people at bay. Because in the past you have learned to be disappointed by people (and because there were issues with you adjusting to your sexuality), you instinctively keep people at arms’ length, until you decide they are allowed over that magic line into your group of close friends. However, once across that line, the problem is that an emotional dependency kicks in which leaves you feeling very hurt or rejected if it appears that they have betrayed that status.

Because you are prone to self-examination, you will be aware of these traits. However, you are unusually able to examine even that self-examination, which means that you have become concerned about what the real you is. You have become all too aware of façades, of sides of yourself which you present to the world, and you wonder if you have lost touch with the real and spontaneous you.

You are very creative, and have tried different avenues to utilize that ability. It may not be that you specifically, say, paint; it may be that your creativity shows itself in more subtle ways, but you will certainly find yourself having vivid and well-formed ideas which others will find hard to grasp. You set high standards for yourself, though, and in many ways are a bit of a perfectionist. The problem is, though, that it means you often don’t get stuff done, because you are frustrated by the idea of mediocrity and are wearied by the idea of starting something afresh. However, once your brain is engaged you’ll find yourself sailing. Very much this will likely lead to you having considered writing a novel or some such, but a fear that you won’t be able to achieve quite what you want stops you from getting on with it. But you have a real vision for things, which others fall short of. Particularly in your academic/college situation, you are currently fighting against restraints upon your desire to express yourself freely.

Your relationship with your parents (there is a suggestion that one is no longer around, or at least emotionally absent) is under some strain. You wish to remain fond of them but recent issues are causing frustration – from your side far more than theirs. In fact they seem unaware of your thoughts on the matter. Partly this is because there are ways in which you have been made to feel isolated from certain groups in the past – something of an outsider. Now what is happening is that you are taking that outsider role and defending it to the point of consciously avoiding being part of a group. This will serve you well in your creative and career pursuits. You have an enormous cynicism towards those who prefer to be part of a group or who exhibit any cliquey behaviour, and you always feel a pang of disappointment when you see your ‘close’ friends seeming to follow that route. Deep down it feels like rejection.

However, for all that introspection, you have developed a sensational, dry sense of humour that makes connections quickly and wittily and will leave you making jokes that go right over the heads of others. You delight in it so much that you’ll often rehearse jokes or amusing voices to yourself in order to ’spontaneously’ impress others with them. But this is a healthy desire to impress, and although you hate catching yourself at it, it’s nothing to be so worried about.

There’s also an odd feeling that you should have been born in a different century. You might be able to make more sense of that than I can.

There are some strong monetary shifts taking place at the moment. Both the recent past and what’s in store over the next few months represent quite a change.

You have links at the moment with America (FOR PEOPLE IN ENGLAND - IF YOU'RE IN THE US, SWAP THIS FOR THE UK)), which are quite interesting, and will look to yield worthwhile results. You’re naturally a little disorganized. A look around your living space would show a box of photos, unorganised into albums, out-of-date medicines, broken items not thrown out, and notes to yourself which are significantly out of date. Something related to this is that you lack motivation. Because you’re resourceful and talented enough to be pretty successful when you put your mind to things, this encourages you to procrastinate and put them off. Equally, you’ve given up dreams a little easily when your mind flitted elsewhere. There are in your home signs of an excursion into playing a musical instrument, which you have since abandoned, or are finding yourself less interested in. (This may alternatively relate to poetry and creative writing you’ve briefly tried your hand at and left behind you.) You have a real capacity for deciding that such-and-such a thing (or so-and-so a person) will be the be all and end all of everything and be with you for ever. But you’d rather try and fail, and swing from one extreme to the other, than settle for the little that you see others content with.

Conclusion: It’s very interesting doing your reading, as you do present something of a conundrum, which won’t surprise you. You are certainly bright, but unusually open to life’s possibilities – something not normally found among achieving people. I’d say you’d do well to be less self-absorbed, as it tends to distance you a little, and to relinquish some of the control you exercise when you present that stylized version of yourself to others. You could let people in a little more, but I am aware that there is a darkness you feel you should hide (much of this is in the personal/relationship/sexual area, and is related to a neediness which you don’t like).

You really have an appealing personality – genuinely. Many thanks for doing this, and for offering something far more substantial than most.

[windjc]

PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IN RED

Everywhere I hear a psychic give a prediction on bitcoin, it seems to be unanimously bearish and apocalyptic.

"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton

I had a personal reading myself with a renowned psychic in march/april and was told:
-someone would steal all my money Did someone steal all your money? If not, when did they say this would happen? Next week? 15 years from now? Before you die?
-exchanges would start stealing customer money (I described what happened with gox and was told other exchanges were going to start doing the same thing) So you planted a seed, they psychic read your worry and responded with this answer?
-whatever happened in December was going to happen again, and cause a crash When was the reading, before December? I'm confused.
-There would be a recovery into the 500s. In December it was already above 500? More confusion.
-There would be a little bit of action this year, but nothing extravagant. No huge rallies. Probably just 500s.  Like 597? So the psychic said (in December?) that it wouldn't go to the 600s?
-Afterwards, prices would steadily decline again into an even further crash  
-Something would happen in Japan What?!  Something?! Isn't that a little general? Seriously, isn't something always going to happen in Japan at some point in the future?
-The costs of using Bitcoin would rise (due to regulation) Your psychic, who knows nothing about Bitcoin, told you this? that sounds amazing if true and completely out of context.
-I was not going to continue to exponentially increase my money into millions and I was more likely to lose it all instead.  Really? I thought they said someone was going to steal it all.

So what's up with these psychics. Why are they so bearish? ANSWER!!!!! ---> Because you are BEARISH. And psychics (even the best of them) read YOUR ENERGY.

Disclaimer: I am currently long since my stop was blown out at $460 and I moved all of my coins into cold storage. I don't plan on changing this at the moment.

[illyiller]

I never hear psychics' opinions about anything. Where do you come across this?

[MatTheCat]

Derren Brown Generalised Flim Flam <Snipped>

Ah! the good old art of creating a facetiously insightful transcript of a personality, in a way that can broadly apply to anyone, especially if they are eager enough to believe in the 'psychic's ability!

Well that disproves all that psychic mumbo jumbo nonsense then!

Back to reality guys!



NB* The transcript doesn't apply to me at all, at least not the first two paragraphs which I read b4 I got bored. Probably in his effort to be smart, Derren Brown reveals much more about himself than the average human being. After all, where does he get his template for the 'average human being' from?

[Ibian]

You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

[MatTheCat]

You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

Don't give a phlying phuck!

You may think that you are in position of intellectual and rational superiority to me, but the reality is:


My capacity for awareness of life = |                                       |

Your capacity of awareness of life =|       |


Your mind is still locked into a rigid and dying paradigm that has been going out of fashion since 1959. My mind is is well on it's progression towards the New Age.

[TERA]

I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.

[Cluster2k]

Psychics are great at predicting the future.

Psychics regularly win lotteries around the world.  In fact, they're so good they're banned from playing due to unfair competition for mere mortals.

Psychics are also forbidden from entering any casino as they know if the next card will be an ace, or when the ball will land on black.

 

[romneymoney]

You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.

[MatTheCat]

You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.

You do realise that I am fully aware that trees can't talk English, German, Japanense, or any other kind of obscure treepixie language?

When the mind is hit with a phenomena that it doesn't understand, the first thing it does is puts arms and legs on it to transform it into a form which it can readily recognise and deal with. The 'talking' tree was my mind's very first attempt at transcribing the fact that I was aware that this tree was filtering an energy, the exact same energy for which the organism that I refer to as 'my body' is also a filter.

When it comes down it, our whole awareness and experience of the universe consists of our mind transcribing and interpreting sensory information into a form which we can relate to and understand. This occurs on a multi-layered and multi-faceted level, is fractal in nature and is expanding and contracting in various areas or dimensions of reality all the time (at least on an evolutionary time frame).