[XDN] duckNote [ANN]. Anonymous, CPU-efficient, Smart Economy

[jwinterm]

Why is the poll still sitting at the top of the page? Isn't it over? Does dev just not keep up with thread?

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[zlt3962005]

I am not going to quote the post above but again, refresh your wallet.

I have been refreshed.

it could take some time. there are no pending payments as of now on the pool. coins have been sent.  just refresh again in 10 15minutes.

Height 10200-10300,?Yesterday's payments

I don't understand your question

Please check if you give me 24 hours over payment，my address is dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z,

and I have 22 hours before your pool mined

I still don't understand.. that address shows on the pool that you have been paid exactly 26480050 coins

Please look at your wallet if you have sent me over，Shown to be wrong, you understand？

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
  Pending Balance: 1057059.12271457 XDN
  Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
  Last Share Submitted: 9 minutes ago
  Hash Rate: 18.35 KH / sec
  Total Hashes Submitted: 8560788400

Then, after a few hours without pay.

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
 Pending Balance: 1359856.82595376 XDN
 Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
 Last Share Submitted: about 2 hours ago
 Hash Rate: 0 H/sec
 Total Hashes Submitted: 8944129400

Your pool will always have payment problems, you should fix it, not shirk responsibility.

It is clearly posted on the pool that address validation is disabled.  It has to be disabled using this pool code with DuckNote.
Because it is disabled and people continue to mine with invalid address payments get stuck until I clear the invalid address's.

you have a few options
1. read the thread so that you understand the problem
2. read the main page of the pool so that you understand the problem
3.  switch to a different pool if you think it Is a problem with the pool, although all pools running this code have the same issue.

if you notice I am not skirting anything, however there are over 100 people mining on my pool and you seem to be the only one on here reporting constant issues.

You say my address is invalid?
Look at my wallet
http://v2.freep.cn/3tb_140630002437g7ul512293.jpg
I was in duck.5limi.com mining the coin, have all been credited into account, using the same address.

If you insist that my wallet wrong address, then you send the wrong coin sent to my new wallet.
The address is ddcuDDRXfXz96kbPid9AVLeE8ydZMGHR15Jxze9Kd9gEirsKCrCYUssc6FReAUKJTbGGMRNk6wAuVGb YQsFtv8UW34bY9Yz4i

[33zer0w0lf]

I am not going to quote the post above but again, refresh your wallet.

I have been refreshed.

it could take some time. there are no pending payments as of now on the pool. coins have been sent.  just refresh again in 10 15minutes.

Height 10200-10300,?Yesterday's payments

I don't understand your question

Please check if you give me 24 hours over payment，my address is dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z,

and I have 22 hours before your pool mined

I still don't understand.. that address shows on the pool that you have been paid exactly 26480050 coins

Please look at your wallet if you have sent me over，Shown to be wrong, you understand？

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
  Pending Balance: 1057059.12271457 XDN
  Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
  Last Share Submitted: 9 minutes ago
  Hash Rate: 18.35 KH / sec
  Total Hashes Submitted: 8560788400

Then, after a few hours without pay.

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
 Pending Balance: 1359856.82595376 XDN
 Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
 Last Share Submitted: about 2 hours ago
 Hash Rate: 0 H/sec
 Total Hashes Submitted: 8944129400

Your pool will always have payment problems, you should fix it, not shirk responsibility.

It is clearly posted on the pool that address validation is disabled.  It has to be disabled using this pool code with DuckNote.
Because it is disabled and people continue to mine with invalid address payments get stuck until I clear the invalid address's.

you have a few options
1. read the thread so that you understand the problem
2. read the main page of the pool so that you understand the problem
3.  switch to a different pool if you think it Is a problem with the pool, although all pools running this code have the same issue.

if you notice I am not skirting anything, however there are over 100 people mining on my pool and you seem to be the only one on here reporting constant issues.

You say my address is invalid?
Look at my wallet

I was in duck.5limi.com mining the coin, have all been credited into account, using the same address.

If you insist that my wallet wrong address, then you send the wrong coin sent to my new wallet.
The address is ddcuDDRXfXz96kbPid9AVLeE8ydZMGHR15Jxze9Kd9gEirsKCrCYUssc6FReAUKJTbGGMRNk6wAuVGb YQsFtv8UW34bY9Yz4i

you miss understand.  I am not saying your address is invalid. Other miners mine with invalid address's, which , when that happens, causes payout issue for everyone.  When this happens I find that miners ip that are mining with invalid address, block them, clean the database, and push all pending payments out.  

you have been paid from this pool
 Pending Balance: 41.94780492 XDN
Total Paid: 28136250.00000000 XDN
Last Share Submitted: about 3 hours ago
Hash Rate: 0 H/sec
Total Hashes Submitted: 8944129400

all my miners always get paid, my pools are some of the most stable in the cryptonote world, that's why I have so many miners.  If you do not like to mine or have issues you are more than welcome to mine somewhere else.

[zlt3962005]

I am not going to quote the post above but again, refresh your wallet.

I have been refreshed.

it could take some time. there are no pending payments as of now on the pool. coins have been sent.  just refresh again in 10 15minutes.

Height 10200-10300,?Yesterday's payments

I don't understand your question

Please check if you give me 24 hours over payment，my address is dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z,

and I have 22 hours before your pool mined

I still don't understand.. that address shows on the pool that you have been paid exactly 26480050 coins

Please look at your wallet if you have sent me over，Shown to be wrong, you understand？

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
  Pending Balance: 1057059.12271457 XDN
  Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
  Last Share Submitted: 9 minutes ago
  Hash Rate: 18.35 KH / sec
  Total Hashes Submitted: 8560788400

Then, after a few hours without pay.

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
 Pending Balance: 1359856.82595376 XDN
 Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
 Last Share Submitted: about 2 hours ago
 Hash Rate: 0 H/sec
 Total Hashes Submitted: 8944129400

Your pool will always have payment problems, you should fix it, not shirk responsibility.

It is clearly posted on the pool that address validation is disabled.  It has to be disabled using this pool code with DuckNote.
Because it is disabled and people continue to mine with invalid address payments get stuck until I clear the invalid address's.

you have a few options
1. read the thread so that you understand the problem
2. read the main page of the pool so that you understand the problem
3.  switch to a different pool if you think it Is a problem with the pool, although all pools running this code have the same issue.

if you notice I am not skirting anything, however there are over 100 people mining on my pool and you seem to be the only one on here reporting constant issues.

You say my address is invalid?
Look at my wallet
http://v2.freep.cn/3tb_140630002437g7ul512293.jpg
I was in duck.5limi.com mining the coin, have all been credited into account, using the same address.

If you insist that my wallet wrong address, then you send the wrong coin sent to my new wallet.
The address is ddcuDDRXfXz96kbPid9AVLeE8ydZMGHR15Jxze9Kd9gEirsKCrCYUssc6FReAUKJTbGGMRNk6wAuVGb YQsFtv8UW34bY9Yz4i

you miss understand.  I am not saying your address is invalid. Other miners mine with invalid address's, which , when that happens, causes payout issue for everyone.  When this happens I find that miners ip that are mining with invalid address, block them, clean the database, and push all pending payments out.  

you have been paid from this pool
 Pending Balance: 41.94780492 XDN
Total Paid: 28136250.00000000 XDN
Last Share Submitted: about 3 hours ago
Hash Rate: 0 H/sec
Total Hashes Submitted: 8944129400

all my miners always get paid, my pools are some of the most stable in the cryptonote world, that's why I have so many miners.  If you do not like to mine or have issues you are more than welcome to mine somewhere else.

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2014-Jun-30 00:27:46.036913 Got control signal 2. Exiting without saving...
2014-Jun-30 00:27:49.471109 ducknote wallet v0.8.9.65()
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.161378 Loaded wallet keys file, with public address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.275384 Opened wallet: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.293385 Starting refresh...
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.299386 Block is already in blockchain: 86e5f14893033ee5a39d5354adb45de2b7dbf2e8569851e6afca0c380e0dd901
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.300386 Processed block: <682a6a000a4154bb89a9cf44caf8176ea32fab17297477726e10a86d371e181e>, height 10789, 0(0/0)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.307386 Processed block: <f2a7c6b580e991f5fd70dcc854bbb67694a95102eff27d829078b5d4f4341ce7>, height 10790, 0(0/0)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.317387 Processed block: <c73040b24dd15a52103056daa4e74687565dddd70860f276ea2536fcb7de7af9>, height 10791, 15(0/15)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.319387 Processed block: <013e70cf9a1c6faa1a24fcae3be694199911efe726762e2accbcb50d2c22f929>, height 10792, 0(0/0)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.368390 Received money: 800.00000000, with tx: <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.368390 Height 10793, transaction <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>, received 800.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.375390 Received money: 8000.00000000, with tx: <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.375390 Height 10793, transaction <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>, received 8000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.382390 Received money: 50000.00000000, with tx: <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.382390 Height 10793, transaction <90aefa98ab8973dbaf671b36884bc5a5e33f282f1b358272952f64dc6986d84a>, received 50000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.446394 Processed block: <1bc43b2a28885c21776d9db94d250cef65f4509ae77ed95ea7d62515b6aad034>, height 10793, 125(0/125)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.485396 Received money: 500.00000000, with tx: <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.485396 Height 10794, transaction <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>, received 500.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.491397 Received money: 4000.00000000, with tx: <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.492397 Height 10794, transaction <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>, received 4000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.498397 Received money: 80000.00000000, with tx: <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.499397 Height 10794, transaction <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>, received 80000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.505397 Received money: 400000.00000000, with tx: <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.506397 Height 10794, transaction <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>, received 400000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.513398 Received money: 1000000.00000000, with tx: <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.513398 Height 10794, transaction <ad0a0f3c5b46bf1235d7938c96ad657d50ab2ec619f801b4d3cb06c79866bac4>, received 1000000.00000000
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.519398 Processed block: <ebb184b624b614e5d53cc4965c2c5534e7c7222c13c519d9632b1ecb410c846c>, height 10794, 78(0/78)ms
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.522398 Block is already in blockchain: ebb184b624b614e5d53cc4965c2c5534e7c7222c13c519d9632b1ecb410c846c
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.522398 Refresh done, blocks received: 6, balance: 16318286.83631166, unlocked: 14774986.83631166
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.525399 Refresh done, blocks received: 6
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.526399 balance: 16318286.83631166, unlocked balance: 14774986.83631166
2014-Jun-30 00:27:54.530399 **********************************************************************
Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.
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2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.822530 Read command: refresh
2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.822530 Starting refresh...
2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.825530 Block is already in blockchain: ebb184b624b614e5d53cc4965c2c5534e7c7222c13c519d9632b1ecb410c846c
2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.825530 Refresh done, blocks received: 0, balance: 16318286.83631166, unlocked: 14774986.83631166
2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.828530 Refresh done, blocks received: 0
2014-Jun-30 00:27:56.829530 balance: 16318286.83631166, unlocked balance: 14774986.83631166
2014-Jun-30 00:29:17.366137 Read command: address
2014-Jun-30 00:29:17.366137 dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z

I just received a payment of a sum of 1,543,300, and I believe it is from your pond, and my payment address is dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z,
I want to say is that before there is a payment of about 3.7 million or so, does not receive. Now I can say with certainty that this is not my purse, I urge you to inquire about the background data to confirm whether the payment has been really done.
Yesterday payment because of the emergence of the problem and not just a pool.

[33zer0w0lf]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

[zlt3962005]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

[jwinterm]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

you guys don't have to do this in public and spam up the whole thread...you do realize there is private message feature, right?

[33zer0w0lf]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

The log file is the front end stats that you see.  
Where it clearly states what you have been paid.

[33zer0w0lf]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

you guys don't have to do this in public and spam up the whole thread...you do realize there is private message feature, right?

+1 , if you have issues with the pool please pm me or msg me on irc channel Extremepool.

[zlt3962005]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

The log file is the front end stats that you see.  
Where it clearly states what you have been paid.

minin.gs will contact miner,
5limi.com will take the initiative to contact miner,
And you even do not want to check the data.
For your irresponsible, I can only say that those coin on when to buy milk of your mother and you have a mentally retarded mother, right?

good bye, fk you,
最后说一句，我操你亲妈，真的，那点硬币够给你妈烧纸的吗？

[zlt3962005]

Like I said this is not abnormal, this is a known problem because of the address validation issue.
Like I also said I have to do this almost daily when there are miners that don't' read directions and mine with invalid address.

Let me see record your payment to my address, I know you have a log file

you guys don't have to do this in public and spam up the whole thread...you do realize there is private message feature, right?

+1 , if you have issues with the pool please pm me or msg me on irc channel Extremepool.

I will every day in regards to your mother's BTT

[makyoo]

great job on the how to ...How about a video for this...it might help people get started.

we need a  video on Youtube .

How about that?
http://youtu.be/Q2WmegytjYA - How to use duckNote wallet tutorial.

Quack!

[toknormal]

I want to know which time  we will get GUI wallet.

If duckNote gets a GUI wallet it's "to da moon". I've been waiting for Monero to get one for months and it never arrives.

There is so moch potential upside for this coin if it can be seen to be active developmentally. I just bought a load @ 4 cos I liked the name and thought it might be able to tread where Monero couldn't.

(Also, it's not often you can get in at ground level on something).

Should I continue holding ? I don't know much else about this coin. Is it active developmentaly ?

[joewills]

great job on the how to ...How about a video for this...it might help people get started.

we need a  video on Youtube .

How about that?
http://youtu.be/Q2WmegytjYA - How to use duckNote wallet tutorial.

Quack!

I like it.
I like everyone do their best to make XDN better.

[pwstegman]

How are payment ids generated if I want someone to send me a transaction with a payment id?  Do I just manually generate a 64 character string of random numbers and letters or is there more to it?

Thanks

Edit: Okay, so random 64 char strings don't work... so there is more

Edit2 (yes I'm thinking out loud) : Aw, come on... all the error in the wallet says is "expected 64 character string" .... I'm providing a 64 character string (lowercase alphanumeric), so it should work (according to the error)  

Edit 3: Okay, so a transaction to myself with 63 "a"s and a 1 went through, but not a transaction with 64 random alphanumeric characters... huh

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1 does work
a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r95555 doesn't work

Edit4: Wait... poloniex's generated payment id only has the letters a-f.  Is this hexadecimal or something?

Edit5: After a couple tests, it looks like it IS hexadecimal!  Scientific method, Success! (I feel so smart  ) (Can anyone confirm this?)

[jwinterm]

How are payment ids generated if I want someone to send me a transaction with a payment id?  Do I just manually generate a 64 character string of random numbers and letters or is there more to it?

Thanks

Edit: Okay, so random 64 char strings don't work... so there is more

Edit2 (yes I'm thinking out loud) : Aw, come on... all the error in the wallet says is "expected 64 character string" .... I'm providing a 64 character string (lowercase alphanumeric), so it should work (according to the error)  

Edit 3: Okay, so a transaction to myself with 63 "a"s and a 1 went through, but not a transaction with 64 random alphanumeric characters... huh

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1 does work
a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r9a5r6a4w5r95555 doesn't work

Edit4: Wait... poloniex's generated payment id only has the letters a-f.  Is this hexadecimal or something?

Edit5: After a couple tests, it looks like it IS hexadecimal!  Scientific method, Success! (I feel so smart  ) (Can anyone confirm this?)

you figured it out. it's just 64 character hexadecimal number/string.

[liyonala]

Can someone tell me why my ducknoted.exe is not synicing? It stays at block 8221 for two days. Is there anyway to bypass this? I'm trying this from 5 days. 

[joewills]

The reward has been halved,but the  Hash Rate always creasing! Hardly 400KH/sec
Difficulty is 98959122  now .
Let's cheer. The price will pump.!

[joewills]

I am not going to quote the post above but again, refresh your wallet.

I have been refreshed.

it could take some time. there are no pending payments as of now on the pool. coins have been sent.  just refresh again in 10 15minutes.

Height 10200-10300,?Yesterday's payments

I don't understand your question

Please check if you give me 24 hours over payment，my address is dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z,

and I have 22 hours before your pool mined

I still don't understand.. that address shows on the pool that you have been paid exactly 26480050 coins

Please look at your wallet if you have sent me over，Shown to be wrong, you understand？

Address: dddT2BxKT12Fo3bwSrxYDbAr6Le1cptxk85gGnm7bj5uTuWxArrLve3241V1kyiH35KdW7xbaGc5E5i SuGPMGUkg1RRk7kF5Z
  Pending Balance: 1057059.12271457 XDN
  Total Paid: 26480050.00000000 XDN
  Last Share Submitted: 9 minutes ago
  Hash Rate: 18.35 KH / sec
  Total Hashes Submitted: 8560788400

Then, after a few hours without pay.

can U tell me  how can i get the contact information of U ?
I want to get my coin which I lost. U should solve the problem.

[makyoo]

Can someone tell me why my ducknoted.exe is not synicing? It stays at block 8221 for two days. Is there anyway to bypass this? I'm trying this from 5 days. 

Close duckonted.exe
Delete all files in folder %AppData%/ducknote/
Start ducknoted.exe again

You can see how it should work in my tutorials:
here on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632595.msg7568976#msg7568976
or on youtube http://youtu.be/Q2WmegytjYA