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June 02, 2016, 05:54:41 AM
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Someone goes to a bank, 'borrows' money (money the bank never had in the first place), and the bank expects them to pay it back with interest. So not only do they just create money, they also create interest on the money that never existed. This is stealing value not only from the one who borrowed the money, but from everyone in the world.

In a system where bitcoin or gold/silver is the only currency or at least the major currency, you either mine gold/silver/bitcoin or you provide goods or services to someone who has gold/silver/bitcoin. So scams like the banks are much harder or even almost impossible to pull of (unless we introduce fractional reserve, but that's just a matter of stupidity and not a flaw of bitcoin).
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June 02, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
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I think that bitcoin will go mainstream after halving cause many, many people will see that we make big money with bitcoin. But if price will not increase, noting will happen obvisusly.

Halving will not make it go main stream. Block size increase will make it as people can transact easier.
I also think that it is not going to be mainstream because mainstream means that the majority of the people makes use of it and I do not see that happening with Bitcoin.
I think that not to many are going to use Bitcoin so it is not going to be mainstream. Not everything can be mainstream and Bitcoin is one of them, Bitcoin is something that peolpe would try to bother with.
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June 02, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
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I think that bitcoin will go mainstream after halving cause many, many people will see that we make big money with bitcoin. But if price will not increase, noting will happen obvisusly.

Halving will not make it go main stream. Block size increase will make it as people can transact easier.
I also think that it is not going to be mainstream because mainstream means that the majority of the people makes use of it and I do not see that happening with Bitcoin.
I think that not to many are going to use Bitcoin so it is not going to be mainstream. Not everything can be mainstream and Bitcoin is one of them, Bitcoin is something that peolpe would try to bother with.

eventually this will change.
it only needs some more time to get to that point. we are still in the early stages. bitcoin is a new technology so it will take time so that people adopt it.

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June 14, 2016, 09:21:43 AM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
If Bicoin goes mainstream that means that it has become very popular and that most people know what it is and make use of it. I am not sure if Bitcoin is ever going to be on that level.
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June 14, 2016, 09:29:05 AM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
If Bicoin goes mainstream that means that it has become very popular and that most people know what it is and make use of it. I am not sure if Bitcoin is ever going to be on that level.

Bitcoins potential itself will make it as a mainstream payment method very soon and in future as well. Many financial experts and speculation have already agreed that.
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June 18, 2016, 08:09:54 PM
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Bitcoin has been around for 7 years. the numbers of its users, and retailers accepting it, has been increasing, but at a small pace. Especially, the number of users.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/535221/is-bitcoin-stalling/

Comparisons with the beginning of the Internet aren't justified. The Internet had increases in user numbers at much more faster rate.

Only huge price increases will change this panorama, by attracting investors/buyers.

Halving might do that. Not just this one, but the halvings to come.

I doubt that crisis will be enough to propel bitcoin significantly. We don't see big increases on users from Venezuela (180% of inflation) or Argentina (25% of inflation). People prefer to buy hard currency or gold.

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June 18, 2016, 09:01:51 PM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
If Bicoin goes mainstream that means that it has become very popular and that most people know what it is and make use of it. I am not sure if Bitcoin is ever going to be on that level.

Bitcoins potential itself will make it as a mainstream payment method very soon and in future as well. Many financial experts and speculation have already agreed that.

If the potential is reach i am certain banks will start to collapse very fast. Their cost are tremendous and if they can't earn from innocent customers they will go bankrupt in no time.
Let's hope it comes to that.
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June 18, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
If Bicoin goes mainstream that means that it has become very popular and that most people know what it is and make use of it. I am not sure if Bitcoin is ever going to be on that level.

Bitcoins potential itself will make it as a mainstream payment method very soon and in future as well. Many financial experts and speculation have already agreed that.
are you serious?you have been asked about bitcoin toyour financial and speculation expert?its never hear by me before,its a good news if they agree that bitcoin have good potential,its why i believe that bitcoin will mainstream soon,and use by many peoples.
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June 18, 2016, 09:48:10 PM
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In my opinion, by the time bitcoin has the chance to go nativism, it will have seriously devaluated when a better altcoin comes out. There will always be something better.
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June 18, 2016, 10:05:02 PM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
If Bicoin goes mainstream that means that it has become very popular and that most people know what it is and make use of it. I am not sure if Bitcoin is ever going to be on that level.

Bitcoins potential itself will make it as a mainstream payment method very soon and in future as well. Many financial experts and speculation have already agreed that.
are you serious?you have been asked about bitcoin toyour financial and speculation expert?its never hear by me before,its a good news if they agree that bitcoin have good potential,its why i believe that bitcoin will mainstream soon,and use by many peoples.
I think for now its impossible right now to think that bitcoin will be mainstream. bitcoin still have many weaknesses.. so its impossible for now that it will happen. and where do you get the information that financial and speculation experts are agreed about mainstream?

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June 19, 2016, 06:29:32 AM
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I think bitcoin will go mainstream, it's just a matter of time until it does. The current fiat monetary system will not sustain at all and once the fiat system collapses, either gold or bitcoin will take its place.

Probably both though in my opinion.
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June 25, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
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Clearly, most regulators haven't realized how bitcoin can indeed became a threat to financial stability.

A bitcoin news site published this :
Powerful U.S. Regulator Sees Bitcoin as a Possible "Threat" to Financial Stability - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/us-regulator-bitcoin-financial-stability/

The study by the regulator can be read here:

https://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/fsoc/studies-reports/Documents/FSOC 2016 Annual Report.pdf

However, its comments on bitcoin are very limited (see p. 127) and clearly doesn't address the main issues. Probably, because, currently, they are no issues.

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July 03, 2016, 07:13:26 AM
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Clearly, most regulators haven't realized how bitcoin can indeed became a threat to financial stability.

A bitcoin news site published this :
Powerful U.S. Regulator Sees Bitcoin as a Possible "Threat" to Financial Stability - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/us-regulator-bitcoin-financial-stability/

The study by the regulator can be read here:

https://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/fsoc/studies-reports/Documents/FSOC 2016 Annual Report.pdf

However, its comments on bitcoin are very limited (see p. 127) and clearly doesn't address the main issues. Probably, because, currently, they are no issues.

When the bitcoin becomes main stream payment method and a currency, it is easier for the business to plan ahead as the supply is already known.

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July 04, 2016, 08:07:29 AM
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For Bitcoin to go mainstream that means that it has to be used and liked by the majority of the people and I do not believe that that is ever going to happen in the future.
Bitcoin is something that people would easily say no to because it just is not that attracting for most people.
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July 04, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
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For Bitcoin to go mainstream that means that it has to be used and liked by the majority of the people and I do not believe that that is ever going to happen in the future.
Bitcoin is something that people would easily say no to because it just is not that attracting for most people.

I doubt that bitcoin can easily attract many people because of it's fast on doing transaction,being secured, and also bitcoin has low fees. In fact this coming halving event would be a nice chance for bitcoin to make a name on public and gain more popularity which will result for a massive adoption like stores online so if that happens bitcoin will be more popular and can easily spread around the world and people will start being curious on what is bitcoin and they will learn what exactly is bitcoin and start using it.
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July 14, 2016, 03:15:28 PM
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I do not think that Bitcoin is ever going to be mainstream because it is something that people in general are not in to because they feel like they do not need it.
Only website like Youtube, Google and Facebook had the power to really become mainstream.
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July 16, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
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I guess btc will inevitable become a mainstream, because it looks like IT is developing, people are getting to know more about such things

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July 19, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
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If bitcoin ever goes mainstream it will surely ruin the lifes of all the ones invested in fiat (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180798.0). Gresham's Law will destroy their fiat savings, since everyone will want the stronger bitcoin, devaluating fiat. We'll see it happen first in the trouble economies, with high inflation and generalized suspicion on governmental money because of past problems.

And I have little doubt that bitcoin won't bring any equality, on the contrary. It will make us bitcoiners rich, but it will be at the expenses of fiat holders.

Because I doubt bitcoin will bring much prosperity, since it will establish a deflationary monetary system. But maybe it will be possible to minimize those deflationary effects:

a) Commercial banks will adopt a bitcoin fractional reserve system, lending bitcoins with only partial support on their holdings. That will allow an artificial (banking) expansion of the amount of bitcoins, thanks to the so-called banking money multiplier.
But since it will be hard to keep a trustworthy insurance of deposits (the government won't have enough bitcoins for that and can't create them), the system will be much more susceptible to runs.
And the interest will have to be high, because most people will prefer to have the bitcoins in their own wallets. So, forget about low interest rates. Well, high real interest rates (aggravated by potential deflation) can ruin any economy.

b) It also might be created a bitcoin pattern, with governments printing money freely convertible in bitcoins. But I can see already the runs on the government on times of crises.

How will the central bank in depressions stimulate the economy?
It won't be possible to do any quantitative easing. Borrowing bitcoins to lend them at cheaper interest rates to the commercial banks won't be cheap.

How will the Government control massive tax evasion, especially if the anonymity of bitcoin improves? 
They will find a way, nothing has destroyed the State in more than 13 thousand years of hierarchical societies. Bitcoin won't be able to do it. It seems we will be subject to intense control of our use of the Internet in order to track our earnings and spending of bitcoins. Some we'll be able to evade it. But the majority won't.

Will the volatility of bitcoin ever end?
The increase of its users will keep bitcoin's price going up. However, because supply and demand is controlled by human perceptions and emotions, after a huge boom in price it will always come a bust. Every overshooting of the price will be followed by a general perception that the price increased too fast and, consequently, by a drop.
For volatility to end, it would be necessary a general adoption of bitcoin that would limit further increases for lack of enough new persons to make a substantial difference in demand. But since the numbers of bitcoin are limited, that would also require or a stagnant GDP or a fractional reserve system based on bitcoin that would allow its banking numbers to artificially increase side by side with GDP. That won't happen for years. Volatility is here to stay for long.

Will this scenario be the future?
It's impossible to say. But bitcoin seems to have already a too strong standing to fade away on it on.
Another better alt coin might be a stronger obstacle than fiat. But bitcoin can always adopt any improvements.

Can governments still destroy it?
An international coordinated effort against the main exchanges and sites could indeed hurt heavily bitcoin. Even our own wallets are susceptible to attacks by virus/worms (remember Stuxnet?) and the network can also be affected. Access to it can be blocked by ISPs at governmental command. Many could evade these blocks, but the major part of the bitcoiners would give up, taking in account also the risk of sanctions. That indeed would spook major investors.
This can still happen. The outcome is anyone's guess, it would depend on governmental coordination and level of effort. Governments lost similar wars (drugs, alcohol, prostitution), but bitcoin is an easier target than these activities. It's not a surprise that besides scams, governmental repression has been the main negative driver of price.

What would be the consequences of this mass adoption over the price?
I can't even imagine what would be the price of bitcoin. Forget about all the low previsions you read before.


But the genie is out of the bottle. There is nothing we can do, except tell about it.


We want so badly for bitcoin to be accepted in stores and such, but has anyone thought of this before? What's going to happen once everyone is using bitcoin?
It would be a great thing if Bitcoin manages to go mainstream but allot of things need to happen for Bitcoin in order to accomplish that.
Only a few websites and companies go mainstream, it is the top.
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July 21, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
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Bitcoin is programmed to become increasingly scarce every four years, via block reward halving.

Just that alone renders it a viable option for those looking for an effective store of value. Forget the day/weekly/monthly volatility. Short term volatility means nothing if the thing that you're trading has 'PROGRAMMED' restriction of issuance. 
If Bitcoin would go mainstream then that means that it goes really good with Bitcoin and that most of the people now at least what Bitcoins is.
I am not sure if that is going to happen but you never know which way Bitcoin is going to go.
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July 21, 2016, 03:08:37 PM
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Bitcoin is programmed to become increasingly scarce every four years, via block reward halving.

Just that alone renders it a viable option for those looking for an effective store of value. Forget the day/weekly/monthly volatility. Short term volatility means nothing if the thing that you're trading has 'PROGRAMMED' restriction of issuance. 
If Bitcoin would go mainstream then that means that it goes really good with Bitcoin and that most of the people now at least what Bitcoins is.
I am not sure if that is going to happen but you never know which way Bitcoin is going to go.

Majority of people will start using bitcoin in future but I don't think that bitcoin can ever go mainstream as there are many haters of bitcoin which will never let it happen.
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