Bitcoin Forum
December 08, 2016, 06:25:27 PM *
News: To be able to use the next phase of the beta forum software, please ensure that your email address is correct/functional.
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: DIANNA: the IANA Decentralized design concept  (Read 14698 times)
finway
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
 #81

OK, I'll check it out.

1481221527
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1481221527

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1481221527
Reply with quote  #2

1481221527
Report to moderator
1481221527
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1481221527

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1481221527
Reply with quote  #2

1481221527
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1481221527
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1481221527

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1481221527
Reply with quote  #2

1481221527
Report to moderator
Ukigo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
 #82

From related russian thread :
 We are begging for your help  Smiley
 
 For our DIANNA experiments we need to figure out this :

                  How to measure ( mathematically that is) :
                           
            What is the relation between the change of mining difficulty
             and mathematical estimation of finding right block hash

Is this function exponential or not ?
And exact formula of course also needed if possible  Smiley

Thank you  Smiley
Sorry for my vague English.
                                        

"...Enemies are everywhere ! Angka is all rage ! Be a good soldiers, blow everything... " <-- Pol Pot (C)
phelix
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1680


nmc:id/phelix


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
 #83

From related russian thread :
 We are begging for your help  Smiley
 
 For our DIANNA experiments we need to figure out this :

                  How to measure ( mathematically that is) :
                            
            What is the relation between the change of mining difficulty
             and mathematical estimation of finding right block hash

Is this function exponential or not ?
And exact formula of course also needed if possible  Smiley

Thank you  Smiley
Sorry for my vague English.
                                        
looking for this?: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty#How_soon_might_I_expect_to_generate_a_block.3F

still think you should rather improve Namecoin


blockchained.com ■ bitcointalk top posts
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
 #84

From related russian thread :
 We are begging for your help  Smiley
 
 For our DIANNA experiments we need to figure out this :

                  How to measure ( mathematically that is) :
                           
            What is the relation between the change of mining difficulty
             and mathematical estimation of finding right block hash

Is this function exponential or not ?
And exact formula of course also needed if possible  Smiley

Thank you  Smiley
Sorry for my vague English.
                                        

Actually we need to find a correct formula of domain transaction fee to be not more or less than needed
Ukigo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
 #85

Thanks again for your help !

<<still think you should rather improve Namecoin>>
We can't improve NMC cuz of Namecoin is, so to say, private property of
Vinced to some degree.
He is good guy with its own ideas.
We are not capable to change his decisions and so be it.

Also we don't want to hardfork Namecoin.

"...Enemies are everywhere ! Angka is all rage ! Be a good soldiers, blow everything... " <-- Pol Pot (C)
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 06:38:49 PM
 #86

Thanks again for your help !

<<still think you should rather improve Namecoin>>
We can't improve NMC cuz of Namecoin is, so to say, private property of
Vinced to some degree.
He is good guy with its own ideas.
We are not capable to change his decisions and so be it.

Also we don't want to hardfork Namecoin.
Not true. Namecoin is opensource. We can't fork it because dianna's design went far away from namecoin design. We cant improve it, because we will destroy it by this improvement.
phelix
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1680


nmc:id/phelix


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 07:34:05 PM
 #87

Thanks again for your help !

<<still think you should rather improve Namecoin>>
We can't improve NMC cuz of Namecoin is, so to say, private property of
Vinced to some degree.
He is good guy with its own ideas.
We are not capable to change his decisions and so be it.

Also we don't want to hardfork Namecoin.
Not true. Namecoin is opensource. We can't fork it because dianna's design went far away from namecoin design. We cant improve it, because we will destroy it by this improvement.

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.


blockchained.com ■ bitcointalk top posts
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
 #88

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.
NameCoin and any other fork always vulnerable to 51% attack.

Also, if you set correct dynamic fee, it will destroy namecoin, as it destroying it.

I see the acceptable domain price around icann values ~$10/year.

Are namecoin going to destroy all these money?
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
 #89

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

Look, you are hotel owner.

I come to you a want to rent a room for night. How much? $100. Okay.

I giving you $100, you tearing this bond and giving me a key from room.

Good business, huh?
phelix
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1680


nmc:id/phelix


View Profile
February 23, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
 #90

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

Look, you are hotel owner.

I come to you a want to rent a room for night. How much? $100. Okay.

I giving you $100, you tearing this bond and giving me a key from room.

Good business, huh?

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.

destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.





did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.
NameCoin and any other fork always vulnerable to 51% attack.

Also, if you set correct dynamic fee, it will destroy namecoin, as it destroying it.

I see the acceptable domain price around icann values ~$10/year.

Are namecoin going to destroy all these money?

NameCoin is not really vulnerable to a 51% attack. because of merged mining it is much much safer than all the other forks. From the difficulty I estimate the Namecoin hashrate to be 40% of the Bitcoin hashrate - that means not even deepbit could 51% attack it.
In my eyes it is the most secure cryptocurrency next to bitcoin - though being a currency is not a even particular goal.

edit 2012-02-24: oops, I got that one wrong - deepbit sure could run a successful 51% attack, but only deepbit. And I trust Tycho more than other pool operators.

I will only believe you can build a system as safe when I see it working.


imho the price of namecoins should be just so high that domain hoarding/squatting is prevented. actually the only reason for namecoins having a value is to do that and to guarantee mining.

if I could set a price it would be $1/year now and $5/year once it is established (=supported by mainstream dns servers)



Please understand I enjoy your interest and work for decentralized dns very much - it might even give some additional momentum to Namecoin.
The day might come when bitcoin will desperately need p2p dns. But I think you approach is wrong or at least the reasons you give don't make sense to me.






blockchained.com ■ bitcointalk top posts
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
 #91

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.
destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.
You remind me the words of Alan Greenspan: "US debt is not a problem, we always can print this money".

Well, I dont see the sense in continuing this debate if you dont understand that every work must be paid.
marcus_of_augustus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2100



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
 #92

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.
destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.
You remind me the words of Alan Greenspan: "US debt is not a problem, we always can print this money".

Well, I dont see the sense in continuing this debate if you dont understand that every work must be paid.

I think you chose not to debate because your arguments are vague and full of holes. You have oft repeated this "going to destroy namecoin", but that is as good as the argument gets, that you have repeated it many times doesn't make it more or less truthful.

But each to its own and the proof of the pudding is always is in the eating ... let me know when DIANNA is ready for "stress testing", I'll go sharpen up some 'test' tools.

pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 23, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
 #93

All my arguments you already read and your answer was only "fuck off man, namecoin is fine".

To all NameCoin investors: I'll make you chance to stress test DIANNA. She is perfect. Don't worry. You are opposite to me, not me to you.
marcus_of_augustus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2100



View Profile
February 24, 2012, 12:16:09 AM
 #94

All my arguments you already read and your answer was only "fuck off man, namecoin is fine".


Your arguments consist of vaguely written documents and flow charts. Your amazing leap of logic is that burning a few coins for the name_firstupdate op will ZOMG! "destroy namecoin" (somehow, maybe) is ridiculous and, as yet, unsubstantiated in theory or practice.

And please do not put filthy words like that into my mouth, I never said anything like that.

pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 24, 2012, 12:18:59 AM
 #95

Really? Listen, eagle-owl, if you wanna say something by subject, go ahead.
NASDAQEnema
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182


View Profile
February 24, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
 #96

I can't get past the broken English, which may have something to do with the lack of nuance and communication.

If you feel Universe has trolled you exclusively, please donate to Emergency Butthurt Support Fund:
1Jv4wa1w4Le4Ku9MZRxcobnDFzAUF9aotH
Proceeds go to Emergency Butthurt Escape Pod none of you will be allowed to use. If you have read this far, you must pay Emergency Butthurt Internet Tax.
pent
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 490



View Profile
February 24, 2012, 01:00:34 AM
 #97

They really bored me

LZ
Staff
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1456


Satoshi everywhere!


View Profile WWW
February 24, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
 #98

Easy, easy, man. Let's be more constructive. Wink

"Never invest unless you can afford to lose your entire investment." © S3052
Ukigo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924


View Profile
February 24, 2012, 05:41:44 AM
 #99

I am so sorry  Sad Shocked
I apologize  for our project leader "pent"

Fellow bitcoiners, who were offended -- excuse him if you can.

Yesterday  he got tired from brainstorming
and have said here
some harsh words,
i believe when he will reappear here
he will apologize for himself.

"...Enemies are everywhere ! Angka is all rage ! Be a good soldiers, blow everything... " <-- Pol Pot (C)
Rassah
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1624


Director of Bitcoin100


View Profile
February 24, 2012, 05:56:14 AM
 #100

Just needs more vodka before Namecoin perestroika can begin.

Pages: « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!