DIANNA: the IANA Decentralized design concept

[finway]

OK, I'll check it out.

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[phelix]

From related russian thread :
 We are begging for your help  
 
 For our DIANNA experiments we need to figure out this :

                  How to measure ( mathematically that is) :
                            
            What is the relation between the change of mining difficulty
             and mathematical estimation of finding right block hash

Is this function exponential or not ?
And exact formula of course also needed if possible  

Thank you  
Sorry for my vague English.
                                        

looking for this?: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty#How_soon_might_I_expect_to_generate_a_block.3F

still think you should rather improve Namecoin

[pent]

From related russian thread :
 We are begging for your help  
 
 For our DIANNA experiments we need to figure out this :

                  How to measure ( mathematically that is) :
                           
            What is the relation between the change of mining difficulty
             and mathematical estimation of finding right block hash

Is this function exponential or not ?
And exact formula of course also needed if possible  

Thank you  
Sorry for my vague English.
                                        

Actually we need to find a correct formula of domain transaction fee to be not more or less than needed

[pent]

Thanks again for your help !

<<still think you should rather improve Namecoin>>
We can't improve NMC cuz of Namecoin is, so to say, private property of
Vinced to some degree.
He is good guy with its own ideas.
We are not capable to change his decisions and so be it.

Also we don't want to hardfork Namecoin.

Not true. Namecoin is opensource. We can't fork it because dianna's design went far away from namecoin design. We cant improve it, because we will destroy it by this improvement.

[phelix]

Thanks again for your help !

<<still think you should rather improve Namecoin>>
We can't improve NMC cuz of Namecoin is, so to say, private property of
Vinced to some degree.
He is good guy with its own ideas.
We are not capable to change his decisions and so be it.

Also we don't want to hardfork Namecoin.

Not true. Namecoin is opensource. We can't fork it because dianna's design went far away from namecoin design. We cant improve it, because we will destroy it by this improvement.

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

[pent]

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

NameCoin and any other fork always vulnerable to 51% attack.

Also, if you set correct dynamic fee, it will destroy namecoin, as it destroying it.

I see the acceptable domain price around icann values ~$10/year.

Are namecoin going to destroy all these money?

[pent]

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

Look, you are hotel owner.

I come to you a want to rent a room for night. How much? $100. Okay.

I giving you $100, you tearing this bond and giving me a key from room.

Good business, huh?

[phelix]

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

Look, you are hotel owner.

I come to you a want to rent a room for night. How much? $100. Okay.

I giving you $100, you tearing this bond and giving me a key from room.

Good business, huh?

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.

destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.

did you ever give a real explanation for that claim? I still don't see why it should not be possible to add dynamic fees to namecoin.

NameCoin and any other fork always vulnerable to 51% attack.

Also, if you set correct dynamic fee, it will destroy namecoin, as it destroying it.

I see the acceptable domain price around icann values ~$10/year.

Are namecoin going to destroy all these money?

NameCoin is not really vulnerable to a 51% attack. because of merged mining it is much much safer than all the other forks. From the difficulty I estimate the Namecoin hashrate to be 40% of the Bitcoin hashrate - that means not even deepbit could 51% attack it.
In my eyes it is the most secure cryptocurrency next to bitcoin - though being a currency is not a even particular goal.

edit 2012-02-24: oops, I got that one wrong - deepbit sure could run a successful 51% attack, but only deepbit. And I trust Tycho more than other pool operators.

I will only believe you can build a system as safe when I see it working.


imho the price of namecoins should be just so high that domain hoarding/squatting is prevented. actually the only reason for namecoins having a value is to do that and to guarantee mining.

if I could set a price it would be $1/year now and $5/year once it is established (=supported by mainstream dns servers)



Please understand I enjoy your interest and work for decentralized dns very much - it might even give some additional momentum to Namecoin.
The day might come when bitcoin will desperately need p2p dns. But I think you approach is wrong or at least the reasons you give don't make sense to me.

[pent]

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.
destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.

You remind me the words of Alan Greenspan: "US debt is not a problem, we always can print this money".

Well, I dont see the sense in continuing this debate if you dont understand that every work must be paid.

[marcus_of_augustus]

The hotel owner is not a person but the network as a whole. the money destroyed is the fee payed for the domains.
destroying coins really is not a problem at all. new coins are being mined. limits could be raised - while at the moment despite all the destruction coins are still too cheap.

You remind me the words of Alan Greenspan: "US debt is not a problem, we always can print this money".

Well, I dont see the sense in continuing this debate if you dont understand that every work must be paid.

I think you chose not to debate because your arguments are vague and full of holes. You have oft repeated this "going to destroy namecoin", but that is as good as the argument gets, that you have repeated it many times doesn't make it more or less truthful.

But each to its own and the proof of the pudding is always is in the eating ... let me know when DIANNA is ready for "stress testing", I'll go sharpen up some 'test' tools.

[pent]

All my arguments you already read and your answer was only "fuck off man, namecoin is fine".

To all NameCoin investors: I'll make you chance to stress test DIANNA. She is perfect. Don't worry. You are opposite to me, not me to you.

[marcus_of_augustus]

All my arguments you already read and your answer was only "fuck off man, namecoin is fine".

Your arguments consist of vaguely written documents and flow charts. Your amazing leap of logic is that burning a few coins for the name_firstupdate op will ZOMG! "destroy namecoin" (somehow, maybe) is ridiculous and, as yet, unsubstantiated in theory or practice.

And please do not put filthy words like that into my mouth, I never said anything like that.

[pent]

Really? Listen, eagle-owl, if you wanna say something by subject, go ahead.

[NASDAQEnema]

I can't get past the broken English, which may have something to do with the lack of nuance and communication.

[pent]

They really bored me

[LZ]

Easy, easy, man. Let's be more constructive.

[Rassah]

Just needs more vodka before Namecoin perestroika can begin.

[ptshamrock]

I think bopth sides ( if u want to call them this,,because they are rather on the same side) have a lot to contribute..

The comunicative problems here may arise from different angles of obeservation & diffrent lanuages , language skills etc.

Please dont let bekome nitpickers here !

I think the Problem here is u are all very very bright individuals doing very important work and sometimes it is not easy to communicate a vision ..but hey thats what the market of ideas is for..we`ll how it all endes..but please stop hindering all this producitve work done with fighting !

I love to read you guys !   and if we get 2 working p2p dns systems who cares   i will use both for different things ^^

Love each other !

[phelix]

namezcoin t'is broke! quickse dinana!   ZLOL  


sorry, I just had to...

[ptshamrock]

throwing cat pics at each other is at least very humorous ^^