[ANN][X11][PoS only] NinjaCoin - Ninja Launch - Hard fork 1.2.2

[kotwica666]

Official Response from Bittrex Re- Ninja Market
   
Bill (Bittrex)
Jun 22 13:09

Hi,

Updating the wallet destroys millions of coins that people legitimately mined and bought. If the developer comes up with a fair way to reimburse those people for his mistake, we'll be happy to update to the latest fork and reopen the Ninja market.

Thanks,
Bill

They want to reimburse for all people that move to bittrex BILLION nja coins from wrong staking??? Thats crazy!!! and impossible!!!

Am I right if I think that Bittrex want kill that coin by a request that can not be done? Because they are afraid that if they do that (clean database/destroy bad nja coins) people may want their money from Bittrex. Thats all story in my opinion. And i understand them.

BUT if they dont want destroy coins from wrong fork they can separate them and thats all. I think thats possible.

[xmqqlin]

HI,Before you can update the wallet, purse while updating, the currency wallet, and do division, handling ratio is the original multiple pos, so we are back to the POS

[Lewisbits]

This was my last attempt to try and get bittrex to see reason their response is below.



   
Bill (Bittrex)
Jun 23 17:51

Hi,

You'll need to continue to work with the developer on a path forward. We and the community trusted the developer and his code put us into this situation.

You could try to withdraw your balance into an older ninja wallet and taking your chance on an upgrade. Some of the coins might be valid on the forked blockchain.

Thanks,
Bill

[Lewisbits]

Does anybody have a link to the old wallet?

[fonzerrellie]

Does anybody have a link to the old wallet?

Thanks for trying, I just sent in a request with my thoughts on on the situation as well.

I've still got my original downloaded rar file but wouldn't know where to find a link for it. can it be emailed?

[hedongimrsh4633]

Of course that must be done! Even if they don't want reopen market they have to let people withdraw good coins! If they want to keep there bad coins - thats their choice, but they cannot lock up good coins with all this shit!

The easiest way would be of course cleaning database from all "air ninja coins".

  do the dev  have some plan ?

what happened to the price.

[JohnBirco]

Does anybody have a link to the old wallet?

Every versions: http://92.222.28.197/release/

But take care, you may lost a lot of coins if you use old wallet. You will lost nothing if Bittrex switch to the good fork.

Someone has try to hack my server and the daemon was down a couple of hours ago. Some of you may have some problem to sync during this time. It's up again and i have make it harder for the stupid hacker that think he can kill the coin if he kill 1 node.

[davisgreen]

Does anybody have a link to the old wallet?

Every versions: http://92.222.28.197/release/

But take care, you may lost a lot of coins if you use old wallet. You will lost nothing if Bittrex switch to the good fork.

Someone has try to hack my server and the daemon was down a couple of hours ago. Some of you may have some problem to sync during this time. It's up again and i have make it harder for the stupid hacker that think he can kill the coin if he kill 1 node.

M just writing in bittrex trollbox for them to release hostage of my good nja s - i got bloody 36k there- please all send bittrex msg - tweet- email to find a solution

[Lewisbits]

Does anybody have a link to the old wallet?

Every versions: http://92.222.28.197/release/

But take care, you may lost a lot of coins if you use old wallet. You will lost nothing if Bittrex switch to the good fork.

Someone has try to hack my server and the daemon was down a couple of hours ago. Some of you may have some problem to sync during this time. It's up again and i have make it harder for the stupid hacker that think he can kill the coin if he kill 1 node.

Thanks!

[thquan819]

wallet not sync

[kotwica666]

New wallet will be soon. I have this same problem with windows wallet. That's weird becouse for many people is working perfect for some makes problems.. That's difficult to find reason why. Hopefully next wallet will works fine - I made some transfers last night and still cant check if coins are in wallet :/ But I hope that tomorrow i will see my coins in wallet Keep Calm and keep ninja!! This coin will fire up soon!!!

[pseudonymdude]

I have PM again Bittrex because they say me that they can't unroll what has been done. I suppose we all understand this and what we want is more what coinader has done for us, a "clear database".

This would mean that people who have buy some bad NJA after block 14000 on Bittrex have buy wind for real BTC. That's sad, i agree but it will be more sad if we stay in this state since these bad NJA are still wind in the actual state on Bittrex.

The solution would be to do this "clear database", switch on the good fork and continue as normal. The bad NJA would not show up in the new wallet because they are wrong, they should not exist. Some people would lost some amount of NJA they buy on Bittrex after block 14000 but keep the good NJA they have buy or mined before block 14000. Add to this some more NJA from staking since all this time.

Hey, would this not be a good news ? People still have some NJA they can trade instead of keeping these bad/dead NJA on Bittrex ?

Then keep voting on the new poll on top of this page and let's show it to Bittrex that we want it this way. No rewind or transaction rollback, just a clean database on the new fork for a 2nd (and good) start.

No, it's not possible.  People paid money for coins that will vanish.  Bittrex can't do that.  Right now, everyone has exactly what they paid for even though what they paid for is worthless.  If you really want to save this coin, you could try renaming it and relaunching it with a 50% premine, which would be the current NJA coins.  That sometimes works.

Bittrex will probably have reservations about adding it.  You would need a considerable following to get onto Poloniex, but if the relaunch is a huge success, it could happen.

[fonzerrellie]

I have PM again Bittrex because they say me that they can't unroll what has been done. I suppose we all understand this and what we want is more what coinader has done for us, a "clear database".

This would mean that people who have buy some bad NJA after block 14000 on Bittrex have buy wind for real BTC. That's sad, i agree but it will be more sad if we stay in this state since these bad NJA are still wind in the actual state on Bittrex.

The solution would be to do this "clear database", switch on the good fork and continue as normal. The bad NJA would not show up in the new wallet because they are wrong, they should not exist. Some people would lost some amount of NJA they buy on Bittrex after block 14000 but keep the good NJA they have buy or mined before block 14000. Add to this some more NJA from staking since all this time.

Hey, would this not be a good news ? People still have some NJA they can trade instead of keeping these bad/dead NJA on Bittrex ?

Then keep voting on the new poll on top of this page and let's show it to Bittrex that we want it this way. No rewind or transaction rollback, just a clean database on the new fork for a 2nd (and good) start.

No, it's not possible.  People paid money for coins that will vanish.  Bittrex can't do that.  Right now, everyone has exactly what they paid for even though what they paid for is worthless.  If you really want to save this coin, you could try renaming it and relaunching it with a 50% premine, which would be the current NJA coins.  That sometimes works.

Bittrex will probably have reservations about adding it.  You would need a considerable following to get onto Poloniex, but if the relaunch is a huge success, it could happen.

 I have to disagree with ya on this one... People need to take personal responsibility for the choices they make and obviously most of those coins where bought by people who didn't even bother to check the ann before they bought the chunks of 30 mill coins etc or wher buying small amounts while the price was crashing and didn't look to see why the price was crashing... we all take personal responsibility in cryptoland when we're mining a new coin same should go for buying them. we all know the risks lol heck most people consider cryptoland the new "wildwest" If people don't know not to blindly buy coins from bittrex then this should be their learning experience (we've all had a few) Bittrex is a site known for adding coins the day of the launch which means this kind of thing could happen to any of them that haven't reached pure pos stage yet.

Bittrex should ban the IP address's of all the users who put huge amounts of NJA on their exchange that night/morning until they reimburse the btc that they scammed from people by knowingly putting their bad NJA's on the site. I don't know for sure but I don't think anyone legitly had multiple millions of NJA from mining or the couple days of good trading we had

[shogun47]

I agree with fonzerrellie on this. +1

[cecilbdemented]

I have an idea for resolving the Bittrex situation and resurrecting the coin.

Bittrex wants the dev to come up with a way to compensate people who paid BTC for NJA on their site.  Fully compensating all of them is of course not possible.  But you could fairly distribute partial compensation in this way.

Step 1 - Go back to the last version of the wallet before the hard fork that fixed POS was implemented.  Make a separate hard fork from here.  I will call this the "compensation fork."  On this fork, the billions of NJA generated by POS are considered valid coins, but POS is now disabled, or set to a ridiculously long stake time, to ensure that no new bad coins are created.  Get Bittrex to upgrade to this wallet after reviewing the plan.  The compensation fork wallet should be called something different like "ninjacomp-qt" so that it can run side by side with the current good wallet.  Also, use the original logo as the icon so users can easily differentiate.

Step 2 - Post an announcement explaining the following plan, and set a deadline for compliance.  2 weeks, 4 weeks, whatever.  Bittrex will make an announcement at the same time that they are delisting NJA at the deadline, and all coins will need to be removed before the deadline.  This should not be a problem because exchanges and pools get rid of coins all the time and coins not withdrawn are lost.  The Bittrex announcement will point people to the Ninja announcement explaining the compensation process.

Step 3 - Instruct Bittrex holders to download the compensation wallet and withdraw all of their coins to it.  Dev will post an address from the compensation fork wallet that everyone should send their coins to.  When sending their coins to the compensation wallet, they should sign the transaction with an address from the good wallet that their compensation can be sent to.  To show the community that the dev is really trying to make amends, he will also deposit the entire remainder of his premine into the compensation wallet.

Step 4 - Once the deadline is reached, Bittrex delists NJA, and any remaining coins are gone forever.  The dev will calculate what percentage of total coins in the compensation wallet (good and bad), minus the dev's premine, were deposited by each address.  Once this calculation is performed and recorded, the wallet.dat file from the compensation wallet is moved into the good wallet.

Step 5 - The good wallet with the wallet.dat file is opened, and the bad coins become invalid.  Each person who deposited coins into the compensation wallet get whatever percentage of coins they deposited sent to them from the good wallet.  So if someone deposited 1,000,000 coins into the compensation wallet, and that was 10%, and there are now 100,000 good coins, that person will receive 10,000 coins, or 10%.

This unique approach to compensation could generate interest in the community, with the main idea behind it being that the dev is working to get the value of the coins up and back on exchanges so that even though they have fewer coins, they will eventually be able to sell to get back what they spent on them, or even turn a profit.

The next phase would involve the dev working to add features to the coin to increase interest, while the community that has been compensated works to show the exchanges that there is a renewed interest in the coin via Twitter and other outlets.  I'm not a big fan of anon, but it seems like a perfect fit for a ninja coin, so I think that the first feature to be implemented would be to add a "stealth" option, where people can check a box in the wallet to enable "stealth mode" and conduct their transaction anonymously.

[HunterS]

this is what u get for adding coins straight away and being greedy.Its bittrex's problem no one else.

[kotwica666]

this is what u get for adding coins straight away and being greedy.Its bittrex's problem no one else.

Problem is, because if bittrex change fork, that will destroy all bad coins and people will want money from bittrex - and for that they don't want do that. I understand them. That's impossible to give back money to all people who buy and own bad coins on bittrex.
We should to forget about bittrex and look for another exchange.

[zeliangw]

3341000 nja on bittrex for sell, pm me your offer

[JohnBirco]

I have an idea for resolving the Bittrex situation and resurrecting the coin.

Bittrex wants the dev to come up with a way to compensate people who paid BTC for NJA on their site.  Fully compensating all of them is of course not possible.  But you could fairly distribute partial compensation in this way.

Step 1 - Go back to the last version of the wallet before the hard fork that fixed POS was implemented.  Make a separate hard fork from here.  I will call this the "compensation fork."  On this fork, the billions of NJA generated by POS are considered valid coins, but POS is now disabled, or set to a ridiculously long stake time, to ensure that no new bad coins are created.  Get Bittrex to upgrade to this wallet after reviewing the plan.  The compensation fork wallet should be called something different like "ninjacomp-qt" so that it can run side by side with the current good wallet.  Also, use the original logo as the icon so users can easily differentiate.

Step 2 - Post an announcement explaining the following plan, and set a deadline for compliance.  2 weeks, 4 weeks, whatever.  Bittrex will make an announcement at the same time that they are delisting NJA at the deadline, and all coins will need to be removed before the deadline.  This should not be a problem because exchanges and pools get rid of coins all the time and coins not withdrawn are lost.  The Bittrex announcement will point people to the Ninja announcement explaining the compensation process.

Step 3 - Instruct Bittrex holders to download the compensation wallet and withdraw all of their coins to it.  Dev will post an address from the compensation fork wallet that everyone should send their coins to.  When sending their coins to the compensation wallet, they should sign the transaction with an address from the good wallet that their compensation can be sent to.  To show the community that the dev is really trying to make amends, he will also deposit the entire remainder of his premine into the compensation wallet.

Step 4 - Once the deadline is reached, Bittrex delists NJA, and any remaining coins are gone forever.  The dev will calculate what percentage of total coins in the compensation wallet (good and bad), minus the dev's premine, were deposited by each address.  Once this calculation is performed and recorded, the wallet.dat file from the compensation wallet is moved into the good wallet.

Step 5 - The good wallet with the wallet.dat file is opened, and the bad coins become invalid.  Each person who deposited coins into the compensation wallet get whatever percentage of coins they deposited sent to them from the good wallet.  So if someone deposited 1,000,000 coins into the compensation wallet, and that was 10%, and there are now 100,000 good coins, that person will receive 10,000 coins, or 10%.

This unique approach to compensation could generate interest in the community, with the main idea behind it being that the dev is working to get the value of the coins up and back on exchanges so that even though they have fewer coins, they will eventually be able to sell to get back what they spent on them, or even turn a profit.

The next phase would involve the dev working to add features to the coin to increase interest, while the community that has been compensated works to show the exchanges that there is a renewed interest in the coin via Twitter and other outlets.  I'm not a big fan of anon, but it seems like a perfect fit for a ninja coin, so I think that the first feature to be implemented would be to add a "stealth" option, where people can check a box in the wallet to enable "stealth mode" and conduct their transaction anonymously.

Nice idea but i don't understand how we can prevent people that have x millions of NJA from PoS not comming from Bittrex to be filtered.

The idea, if i undertand well, is to get only the coins that were buy on Bittrex, no ? For this i have to enable again accepting blocks from pre-version of this one and everyone could send every PoS coins, not only from Bittrex.

this is what u get for adding coins straight away and being greedy.Its bittrex's problem no one else.

Problem is, because if bittrex change fork, that will destroy all bad coins and people will want money from bittrex - and for that they don't want do that. I understand them. That's impossible to give back money to all people who buy and own bad coins on bittrex.
We should to forget about bittrex and look for another exchange.

I understand this too and i say it since a long time that people have buy "bad NJA" with real BTC. But imagine Bittrex stay how they are now, what can people do with these "bad NJA" now ? Nothing !!!
And still in this actual state, people have lost both good and bad NJA. If Bittrex switch to the good fork, yes it will destroy the bad NJA people buy with real money but these same people can now use the good NJA remaining to trade/sell/let them stake in the wallet or whatever they want.

I'm ready to distribute 100k NJA or maybe 150k NJA from the premine that remain (170k remain), to compensate the loss people have from buying bad NJA if we find a good way to do it.

[fonzerrellie]

I was going to say, please don't give all the premine away if this going to work and go on to the future with new tech developments and such the premine can make that happen a heck of a lot easier... good help in crypto land costs money so if he ever needs to pay someone to help him perfect something he can. and honestly I don't want our dev working for free, it's good to know your dev is holding 40k or so good motivation for him to do his best and make the coin worth as much as he can... lol who works better when their working for free?

I like the idea of getting an old wallet (locking it so it doesn't stake ) getting bittrex to send all the NJA on their site to that wallet then put wallet.dat into new wallet and calculate what percent worth of the bad fork nja it comes to then add say 100k of the premine to that and send it back to bittrex after they've up loaded the new wallet where they can distribute them back to the owners at how ever much of a percent they owned of the NJA coins the are on bittrex right now.

and I could still see a bunch of people feeling "butt hurt" by it.