Is time a circle?

[sana8410]

Everyone holds either one of 2 ideas about death - nothing happens, or you go to an afterlife. But the the idea that makes the most sense to me, is that you are reborn instantly and re-live the same life an infinite number of times. If the universe is infinite, so is everything else in it. The big bang eventually collapses again, and the chain of patterns repeat. We've been here forever, and always will be.

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[zolace]

Well, that explains  deja vue, but you cannot re-live the same life over and over again, unless when you die you are instantly reborn at the exact time and date of your initial birth.

How does that theory account for population changes, human advances, and recorded environmental changes, ie. history. If everything stays the same, there is no change. If there is no change, then I should have had the internet, HDTV, and a cell phone at my birth. Since I did not, it must be subject to change. If it is subject to change, then you cannot repeat a prior life for infinity.

[Mordor]

maybe if you are a ghost. Ghosts are the ones condemned to circle through the same things over and over alll the life.


Hope some of us scape to the ghost fade

[sana8410]

Well, that explains  deja vue, but you cannot re-live the same life over and over again, unless when you die you are instantly reborn at the exact time and date of your initial birth.

How does that theory account for population changes, human advances, and recorded environmental changes, ie. history. If everything stays the same, there is no change. If there is no change, then I should have had the internet, HDTV, and a cell phone at my birth. Since I did not, it must be subject to change. If it is subject to change, then you cannot repeat a prior life for infinity.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
The big bang explodes, eventually creates us, then eventually gets pulled back into a giant black hole. The process repeats itself and infinite number of times.

[onlinepro]

But but, we go to heaven after we die! 
Seriously I don't think there is anything after we die, what is the big deal anyway?
We will see it then.

[sana8410]

maybe if you are a ghost. Ghosts are the ones condemned to circle through the same things over and over alll the life.


Hope some of us scape to the ghost fade

Not all the souls are condemned to become a ghost,only the ones that didn't accomplish their mission here on the earth,and they can't pass to the next level. You can find more here:
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/ghosts/what-are-ghosts

[zolace]

Well, that explains  deja vue, but you cannot re-live the same life over and over again, unless when you die you are instantly reborn at the exact time and date of your initial birth.

How does that theory account for population changes, human advances, and recorded environmental changes, ie. history. If everything stays the same, there is no change. If there is no change, then I should have had the internet, HDTV, and a cell phone at my birth. Since I did not, it must be subject to change. If it is subject to change, then you cannot repeat a prior life for infinity.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
The big bang explodes, eventually creates us, then eventually gets pulled back into a giant black hole. The process repeats itself and infinite number of times.

Maybe I did, but if it did so, why would our individual molecules not get mixed with others in this process and prevent an afterlife? I'm all for an afterlife, but I think it involves something much greater than just the big bang theory.

When you start dealing with things like infinity and our knowledge of our known universe, you must also consider that infinity applies in both directions, and our known universe may be nothing more than a small molecular structure in a much greater universe, which might be a small molecular structure in a much greater universe, ad nauseam ...

Time may be a much greater determinate factor, but if infinity exist, what is time? We view time as measured against our planets rotation around our nearest star. We measure not only our own, but other organisms life span based upon how many star rotations they complete before they die.

We have a long road to travel ...

[Rigon]

What if planets are nothing more than collections of separate groups of consciousnesses. When you "die" you simply go back to the collective until you are reborn in your next life on another planet in the universe. Earth is just one of an infinite number of waystops.

[Bitcoin Magazine]

Well, that explains  deja vue, but you cannot re-live the same life over and over again, unless when you die you are instantly reborn at the exact time and date of your initial birth.

How does that theory account for population changes, human advances, and recorded environmental changes, ie. history. If everything stays the same, there is no change. If there is no change, then I should have had the internet, HDTV, and a cell phone at my birth. Since I did not, it must be subject to change. If it is subject to change, then you cannot repeat a prior life for infinity.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
The big bang explodes assplodes, eventually creates us, then eventually gets pulled back into a giant black hole. The process repeats itself and infinite number of times.

[fdiini]

Futurama actually have an episode on this process keep repeating itself. All events keep repeating like the previous one.

[spazzdla]

Well, that explains  deja vue, but you cannot re-live the same life over and over again, unless when you die you are instantly reborn at the exact time and date of your initial birth.

How does that theory account for population changes, human advances, and recorded environmental changes, ie. history. If everything stays the same, there is no change. If there is no change, then I should have had the internet, HDTV, and a cell phone at my birth. Since I did not, it must be subject to change. If it is subject to change, then you cannot repeat a prior life for infinity.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
The big bang explodes, eventually creates us, then eventually gets pulled back into a giant black hole. The process repeats itself and infinite number of times.

This seems very logical to me.

[lynn_402]

We are biased about the nature of the universe and of time, because our brain evolved to be able to efficiently sustain an organism with a limited life-span.

Just like we see only a truly small portion of what the universe is (our eyes only see a small percentage of light's spectrum), it seems likely that we also comprehend time in a very limited way and we haven't the tools to get a better understanding of it.

[bitmarket.io]

U smokin dope n postin on da forums again??

[cp1]

Everyone holds either one of 2 ideas about death - nothing happens, or you go to an afterlife. But the the idea that makes the most sense to me, is that you are reborn instantly and re-live the same life an infinite number of times. If the universe is infinite, so is everything else in it. The big bang eventually collapses again, and the chain of patterns repeat. We've been here forever, and always will be.

How is that the idea that makes the most sense to you?  The one that seems most likely is we die and then we're just dead.

[lynn_402]

U smokin dope n postin on da forums again??

What's wrong with that?
OP's post is considerably more interesting than most of the off-topic section

[umair127]

I'm actually reading a biography of Philip K Dick right now and he had an interesting take on time. He called it orthogonal time. There are two times, our normal flowing time and that time, where all moments exist at once and there is no past present or future.

[sana8410]

U smokin dope n postin on da forums again??

I am not smoking nothing,is it that bad to have a question of what happens after you die?You did ask yourself or others what happens to you after you give your last breath?

[cp1]

I'm actually reading a biography of Philip K Dick right now and he had an interesting take on time. He called it orthogonal time. There are two times, our normal flowing time and that time, where all moments exist at once and there is no past present or future.

That's like imaginary time, it's at a 90 degree to real time.

[KIRAZ]

U smokin dope n postin on da forums again??

I am not smoking nothing,is it that bad to have a question of what happens after you die?You did ask yourself or others what happens to you after you give your last breath?

Nothing happens actually simple as that.

[sana8410]

Everyone holds either one of 2 ideas about death - nothing happens, or you go to an afterlife. But the the idea that makes the most sense to me, is that you are reborn instantly and re-live the same life an infinite number of times. If the universe is infinite, so is everything else in it. The big bang eventually collapses again, and the chain of patterns repeat. We've been here forever, and always will be.

How is that the idea that makes the most sense to you?  The one that seems most likely is we die and then we're just dead.

Maybe we die and we vanish,but i still think that has to be an "afterlife",and in my view that in that afterlife is that we reborn,we born, we live, we die and reborn again........

[cp1]

Maybe we die and we vanish,but i still think that has to be an "afterlife",and in my view that in that afterlife is that we reborn,we born, we live, we die and reborn again........

You don't vanish.  You lie there in your coffin, rotting.  If you don't want to accept that, that's fine, and you can hope for something greater.  But it is still the explanation that makes the most sense.

[Rigon]

I'm actually reading a biography of Philip K Dick right now and he had an interesting take on time. He called it orthogonal time. There are two times, our normal flowing time and that time, where all moments exist at once and there is no past present or future.

That's like imaginary time, it's at a 90 degree to real time.

which follows the experiments done with double slits and Wheeler's delayed choice version.

time/space act one way when not observed/measured by humans, but a different way when not. Wheeler's version lends credence to the idea that space/time are not linear.

http://highexistence.com/docs/experiment.pdf

[bitmarket.io]

when i die i will end up burning inside your engine

[yayayo]

Maybe we die and we vanish,but i still think that has to be an "afterlife",and in my view that in that afterlife is that we reborn,we born, we live, we die and reborn again........

You don't vanish.  You lie there in your coffin, rotting.  If you don't want to accept that, that's fine, and you can hope for something greater.  But it is still the explanation that makes the most sense.

You will be digested by lower organisms whose excrements are beneficial to plant life. So will you help making the planet greener.

Seriously: The meaning of the term "sense" is probably erased with death. You can only speculate what happens - if anything happens at all after death.

ya.ya.yo!

[jaberwock]

Maybe we die and we vanish,but i still think that has to be an "afterlife",and in my view that in that afterlife is that we reborn,we born, we live, we die and reborn again........

You don't vanish.  You lie there in your coffin, rotting.  If you don't want to accept that, that's fine, and you can hope for something greater.  But it is still the explanation that makes the most sense.

You will be digested by lower organisms whose excrements are beneficial to plant life. So will you help making the planet greener.

Seriously: The meaning of the term "sense" is probably erased with death. You can only speculate what happens - if anything happens at all after death.

ya.ya.yo!

When you die your sparks will separate from your body. But this sparks cannot hold memories for long without biological brain cells. This sparks memory is very vulnerable to lightning and high magnetic devices. This sparks will continue floating on earth until they found a new body.

[Vod]

The big bang explodes, eventually creates us, then eventually gets pulled back into a giant black hole. The process repeats itself and infinite number of times.

I used to believe in this as well.  You die, but eventually the exact same atoms at the exact same location at the exact same time from the next big bang, will produce another exact same you.

But science shows us the universe is actually accelerating, not slowing down as we would expect it to.  It will never re-collapse into another big bang.

[mooncake]

This topic had been discussed since a long time ago. 2 thousand years ago, the Indians had thought about this.

The conclusion depends on which school of thought you believe in. If there is no rebirth, you should maximise your enjoyment in life since what you do in this life does not affect the next. Taking it into extreme, if no law exists, people will think that it is alright to kill other people if it so pleases them. On the other hand, for people who believe in rebirth, they will want to accumulate merits in this life so that they can be reborned in a better realm. This is known as karma. In fact, the merits may come to fruitation in this life (as good outcomes) if the conditions are right.

[ZoeJane]

Time is obviously not a cirlce.

[Quartx]

Its just a straight line that goes on forever

[noviapriani]

I believe the Hindus say that the consciousness keeps existing for 13 or 39 days after death. Science says that it may be up to 90 days before the brain dies, that thinking may continue past the time the body dies.

I don't think anyone lives the same life. Supposedly one is born in the opposite sex because men usually think of women when they die, so they are re-born as women, and women think of men, so they are born as men. If so, that is hardly the same life. Of course (?) we can only remember the same sex past lives, so if we're now male we usually only remember past lives where we were men.

Belief in re-incarnation won't do. You will have to know for certain whether or not consciousness continues past death.

[zolace]

I believe the Hindus say that the consciousness keeps existing for 13 or 39 days after death. Science says that it may be up to 90 days before the brain dies, that thinking may continue past the time the body dies.

I don't think anyone lives the same life. Supposedly one is born in the opposite sex because men usually think of women when they die, so they are re-born as women, and women think of men, so they are born as men. If so, that is hardly the same life. Of course (?) we can only remember the same sex past lives, so if we're now male we usually only remember past lives where we were men.

Belief in re-incarnation won't do. You will have to know for certain whether or not consciousness continues past death.

What about hermaphrodites? They must really get short changed in your scheme of reincarnation.What's it like to be painfully full of shit? 

[Rigon]

No matter what anyone says it won't make a difference, will it? If some one speaks from experience someone else will say that he's deluded, that what he experienced isn't real. To which I say that everything we experience isn't real, then. Beyond experience is belief, which again will be derided. I mean, really, what is the point? No one here is really interested in having any dialogues. You all want to be parts of a click, being part of the mob. And you guys wonder why this place is dead. Someone comes along and says, "I have read," or "I have heard," and you all jump in quick as a flash and attack the idea. If everyone doesn't think, act, and do as the rest of the pack he is summarily denounced. For a forum that is supposed to espouse communication and understanding the inmates in charge make it anything but. It's just a little place where they all salute each other with "Heil Hitler!" There are so many Little Men here...

Zolace, the better question would have been, "What about homosexuals?" "How does re-incarnation answer the question of homosexuality?" How does Nature? In re-incarnation one's very last thought is supposedly paramount to one's next incarnation.

When Death occurs is not up to one's choosing, so neither is one's last thought. Such an idea may be founded in the Scriptures, in the writings of the Masters, in esoteric mystery schools (yes, even the Greek Mystery Schools; try reading Plotinus) but that will hardly matter to the Militant Atheists here, who co-opted Science and bend it to their fancy and who must crush any philosophy that may mean that they have any sort of responsibility for their thoughts and actions. Everyone has a Philosophy and the Militant Atheist feels that his voice must drown out all others. AynRandism running amok... She was such a narcissistic git...

Sana, you're wasting your time, here. No one is interested in hearing what you have to say, much less exchange any ideas. It'll end like it always has - in a trap. Read all the books you want on Re-incarnation, Karma, etc. Just don't try to discuss any ideas here. It's a waste of time.

[umair127]

It has no shape. Time is an emergent phenomenon, not a fundamental one. I'd like to think that with a black hole, there is a big bang happening on the other side. T = |e|

[sana8410]

It has no shape. Time is an emergent phenomenon, not a fundamental one. I'd like to think that with a black hole, there is a big bang happening on the other side. T = |e|

When you think about it, there are two instances where time ceases (relatively), and both involve energy. At absolute zero, all energy is removed from what I'll call the observer. With no energy, no molecular motion, time is infinite for the observer. This is the concept behind cryogenics. The other time is, say, theoretically, the observer possesses all energy, and the rest of the world appears to be stopped for the observer. So, the observer now has all the energy, but no time, as he would simply seem to disappear to the rest of the world, as he will have spent the entirety of the rest of his existence in a singularity of time.
granted, my knowledge of mathematical concepts may be flawed, so the absolute value term may not be the correct term for what I'm thinking.

[noviapriani]

For the longest time, I have felt that eternity consisted of the opening of all the nerve synopsis at the time of a natural death, and all memory from the time of initial awareness until the brain and nerves finally lose the electrical ability to pass pulses as the body cools off. Basically a giant data dump, accomplished in a few moments, but the volume of which seems to go on forever.

[sana8410]

I believe the Hindus say that the consciousness keeps existing for 13 or 39 days after death. Science says that it may be up to 90 days before the brain dies, that thinking may continue past the time the body dies.

I don't think anyone lives the same life. Supposedly one is born in the opposite sex because men usually think of women when they die, so they are re-born as women, and women think of men, so they are born as men. If so, that is hardly the same life. Of course (?) we can only remember the same sex past lives, so if we're now male we usually only remember past lives where we were men.

Belief in re-incarnation won't do. You will have to know for certain whether or not consciousness continues past death.

Really. Tell me more. I'd love to see the "science" behind that claim AO, considering that without oxygen serious injury and brain death can occur in a matter of minutes.

[zolace]

I believe that when we die we are shat out by a giant llama in another dimension and begin a new life as maggots. Just as much proof for my theory as all the other bullshit on this thread.

[sana8410]

I believe that when we die we are shat out by a giant llama in another dimension and begin a new life as maggots. Just as much proof for my theory as all the other bullshit on this thread.

Except that there are several physics experiments that probe the nature of time and provide evidence for some of the theories presented in this thread being a possibility.

Just because you're ignorant of the science doesn't mean it isn't out there.

[zolace]

I believe that when we die we are shat out by a giant llama in another dimension and begin a new life as maggots. Just as much proof for my theory as all the other bullshit on this thread.

Except that there are several physics experiments that probe the nature of time and provide evidence for some of the theories presented in this thread being a possibility.

Just because you're ignorant of the science doesn't mean it isn't out there.

There is no credible science that gives us any clue as to what happens after you die. NONE. Other than rotting in the ground and becoming maggot food, there are only guesses, which are not theories.

[noviapriani]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

[zolace]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

My ability to party is separate from my ability to believe bullshit... I do one well and not the other.

[Rigon]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

I love this line of reasoning..."you won't pretend to believe in something there's no proof for so you can't be fun to have around"

[noviapriani]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

I love this line of reasoning..."you won't pretend to believe in something there's no proof for so you can't be fun to have around"

You aren't invited to many cocktail parties are you? It is called a "flow".Pro tip: Don't bring a harpoon for the silent auction at a "save the whales" fund raiser.

[Rigon]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

I love this line of reasoning..."you won't pretend to believe in something there's no proof for so you can't be fun to have around"

You aren't invited to many cocktail parties are you? It is called a "flow".Pro tip: Don't bring a harpoon for the silent auction at a "save the whales" fund raiser.

I actually go to a lot of parties, and I'm usually one of the ones who has a crowd around while we're telling stories....none of which involve a pretend magic man.

[noviapriani]

I bet you are one fun son-of-a-bitch to have around at a party. PM me. I need someone like you when things get too crazy and I need the house cleared.

I love this line of reasoning..."you won't pretend to believe in something there's no proof for so you can't be fun to have around"

You aren't invited to many cocktail parties are you? It is called a "flow".Pro tip: Don't bring a harpoon for the silent auction at a "save the whales" fund raiser.

I actually go to a lot of parties, and I'm usually one of the ones who has a crowd around while we're telling stories....none of which involve a pretend magic man.

Good for you. While at such parties you probably don't express a fervent belief in the non-existence in a supreme deity. Stick to stories about the reality of human existence and the human struggle.

Discussions about politics and religion in a normal communal setting are a total buzz kill.

[sana8410]

Actually this theory is pretty decent. Although you would have no knowledge of living a 2nd time?
Else you would have influence on everything.

I think that i read in some orthodox-christian book,that in our souls, know what we have to do on earth,our journey here,but in the moment we born an angel "wipe"all the knowledge we have ,and from here the "deja vu " moments.........

[mooncake]

Belief in re-incarnation won't do. You will have to know for certain whether or not consciousness continues past death.

The point is not whether or not consciousness continues past death. The point is your attitude towards life for either of the scenarios. If consciousness does continue past death, how would you lead your life? If it does not, how would you lead your life?