Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition

[Swordsoffreedom]

Thanks for a beautiful chart Notlambchop
Can't argue with the facts there looks fine to me
A link to each asset would be nice as well but might make the chart a bit obtuse.

* To be fair you should add satoshidice since it was on havelock for a while as a pass-thru and made profit.

[NotLambchop]

^
Actually no, great idea.  Forum tags let you do links like this: Provenance ASIC (PROV).
Thanks, will update it by tomorrow. Done

Edit:  Could you link me to the SD info?

[Germican]

Ok so I have gathered you have not read most of my initial post as I dedicated several paragraphs to it. Your welcome to give it another read.

How is it irrelevant how bitcoin moves? If it goes to zero you have nothing. If you have stock in a company that has assets beyond a website then you have things to liquidate that may be useful to others. In that case the better investment is the security because at least then you have something (so long as you aren't buying things like fee shares or hashrate). So explain how it's irrelevant?

Steady stream of losses? Where? I bought X shares and still have X shares. If I didn't plan to sell them how can I have lost anything. The buying power of the shares decreased but my interpretation of the value has grown in that time

And your right I was traing but my trading lead my to sticking extra funds into investments that while low now have a good looking future based on current standards. While I still will play the current market I don't plan on cashing out any time soon.

As well did you read the part about statistical validity and generalizability?  Any answers to that since your the one making the claim?

[NotLambchop]

Help me out here.

Scenario number one:
You're trolling.

Scenario number two:
You're not trolling.

1. If you're not trolling, your reasoning would have impoverished you long ago, leaving you no coin to be amateur financier with.
3. Yet you claim that you have coin, and that coin is invested in sharez of something you coyly invite me to guess at.

That creates a classic reductio ad absurdum thingy--a logical no no.  Because Purplesmart!

Which, as sad as this is to accept, brings us right back to scenario number one:  You're trolling.

Stop trolling!
This was meant to be a srs thread.
I made you another thread to play in, RIGHT HERE.
Use it pl0x.
ty

[Germican]

Help me out here.

Scenario number one:
You're trolling.

Scenario number two:
You're not trolling.

1. If you're not trolling, your reasoning would have impoverished you long ago, leaving you no coin to be amateur financier with.
3. Yet you claim that you have coin, and that coin is invested in sharez of something you coyly invite me to guess at.

That creates a classic reductio ad absurdum thingy--a logical no no.  Because Purplesmart!

Which, as sad as this is to accept, brings us right back to scenario number one:  You're trolling.

Stop trolling!
This was meant to be a srs thread.
I made you another thread to play in, RIGHT HERE.
Use it pl0x.
ty

Sorry not trolling just trying to shed light on your wrong claims and bad analysis of the current market. With improper understanding of the market and basic financial concepts is creating bad information that some may make the mistake of thinking your right.

[NotLambchop]

*To bring this back on topic, nao new & improved:  With links!

All the goodness of Why Do You Invest?, now in a convenient table format.
This bespoke quality table was laboriously handcrafted by earnest local artisans, using only the finest traditional forum markup to bring you authentic, naturally aged vintage data (circa 6/25/2014).
If you spot any errors, please PM.
Feel free to post HERE if you crave a intilectual discussing.

|Offering

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Issue price*

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Current Price

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Highest bid

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Dividends paid**

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Profit?

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Notses

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|Seventh Continent Ltd. (7C)

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0.0077

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0.0070

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0.0026

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0.0000

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no

|

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|ALCHEMINER (ALC)

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0.1400

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0.1300

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0.0800

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0.0000

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no

|

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|ASICMINER Full Shares (AM1)

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4.5000 see [1]

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0.1930

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0.1930

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~0.3

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no

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see [1]

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|ASICMINER Fractional Shares (AM100)

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1/100 fract. of above

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|

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~(1/100 fract. of above)-5%

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no

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see [1]

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|Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL)

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|

|

|

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no

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see [2]

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|CasinoBitco.in (CBTC)

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0.00018; 0.00013; 0.00014; 0.00012

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0.00009

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0.00008

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0.0000032

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no

|

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|Crypto Financial (CFIG)

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0.1500

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0.0440

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0.0440

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0.0

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no

|

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|Dealco.in (DEALCO)

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0.01000

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0.0019

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0.0018

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0.0007

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no

|

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|Havelock Investments Fund (HavelockInvestments.com) (HIF)

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0.00050; 0.00066

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0.000161

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0.000151

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0.00000037

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no

|

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|Havelock Mining Fund (HMF)

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4.6000; 4.6000; 15.0000; 15.0000

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0.003

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0.003

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0.0305335

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no

|

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|Korb and Co. Investments Mining Fund (KCIM)

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1.00000

|

0.0003

|

0.00028

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~0.0015

|

no

|

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|Mintspare Inc. (MS)

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0.00500

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0.00060

|

0.00054

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0.0

|

no

|

|

|PETA-MINE CryptX (PETA)

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0.05000; 0.09500; 0.09750

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0.0479

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0.0443

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0.01432932

|

no

|

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|Rental Starter (RENT)

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0.00550; 0.00750

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0.0040

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0.00360

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0.00006

|

no

|

|

|SCRYPT-X BY CRYPTX (SCRYPT)

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0.041000; 0.039500; 0.038000; 0.042500

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0.02849

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0.02600

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0.00281774

|

no

|

|

|Seedcoin Fund 1 (SF1)

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0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000

|

0.00024

|

0.0260

|

0.0

|

no

|

|

|S.MG Passthru from MPEX (SMG)

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0.000093

|

0.000050

|

0.000050

|

0.0

|

no

|

|

|ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 (ROCK)

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0

|

0.0070

|

0

|

0

|

no

|

Pre-IPO

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|DataTank Mining Capacity + Mining Equipment (DTMA)

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0

|

0

|

0

|

0

|

no

|

Pre-IPO

|

|DataTank Mining Fund Capacity (DTMB)

|

0

|

0

|

0

|

0

|

no

|

Pre-IPO

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|NEOBEE/NEOBEEQ

|

??

|

Delisted

|

0

|

0

|

no

|

Issuer ran away

|

|COG

|

??

|

Delisted

|

0

|

??

|

no

|

Issuer "learned a lot"

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|XBOND

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0.00100

|

Delisted, issuer bought back @0.00105

|

??

|

??

|

YES

|

the exception

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* Multiple numbers in this column correspond to multiple IPO trenches--first tranche, second tranche etc., etc.

** "Dividends paid" is the sum total of all dividends paid to date (6/25/2014).

*** "Profit" is calculated using this formula: ((highest bid)+(Dividends paid)-(Issue price)) / (Issue price) * 100.
This number represents not calculated due to laziness and the inevitable bickering that's sure to ensue about the meaning of "profit."
Suffice it to say none of the securities listed could be called profitable with a straight face. One, thanks for the PM.

[1] In the case of ASICMINER, issue price represents the price at the time of initial listing on Havelock, not the IPO price.

[2] This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.

[Germican]

I was wondering if you wanted to do the same thing with cryptostocks?  Cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT are just a couple investments that have profited.

[NotLambchop]

^Is Cryptostocks even a thing?  If you're a fan, feel free to make a thread about it, I feel no need.

[Germican]

^Is Cryptostocks even a thing?  If you're a fan, feel free to make a thread about it, I feel no need.

Ahhh your right it doesn't fit your rhetoric. No worries glad to get confirmation your only intent was to spread FUD and not actually try to provide valid information to people.

[NotLambchop]

Newfriend, I don't remember you contributing anything to the community.
You haven't even thanked me for this thread, and already you're trying to wheedle MORE out of me.  It's always "give us more, we need more" with you people, isn't it?

How about you stop begging in my threads?

[Germican]

Newfriend, I don't remember you contributing anything to the community.
You haven't even thanked me for this thread, and already you're trying to wheedle MORE out of me.  It's always "give us more, we need more" with you people, isn't it?

How about you stop begging in my threads?

Haha that's too good. I never expected you to provide anything as that would simply defeat your intent. As well I'm simply asking you to provide proper evidence to your your claim.

 It's like saying saying X number of car accidents are caused by weed because X number of people tested positive for weed. Now just looking at the number X it sounds reasonable but key information is left out just like you did on your selection of securities. Looking deeper in the study it actually found a large majority of those drivers actually tested positive for alcohol as well. That new information that was withheld showed that the initial claim was an invalid one. But if they said the truth it wouldn't support what they are trying to achieve. This is exactly what's happening in your charts. You have an purpose and willfully ignore any information that contradicts your interpretation.

And as for contributing I think I've done quite well at showing the error in your methods.

[lobbes]

...
As well I'm simply asking you to provide proper evidence to your your claim.
...

The scope of this 'claim' is about how most Havelock securities are a bad investment. Not listing the other 'exchanges' does not invalidate the facts presented.

[NotLambchop]

... but key information is left out just like you did on your selection of securities. ...

Err... all of the securities on Havelock.  Each and every one.  In a thread titled Havelock Securities At A Glance:  The SRS BZNZ Edition.
You are now begging for another thread, like this one, but about some absurdity called Cryptostocks.  The only exposure I have had to Cryptostocks was something called [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO!.

I have advised the finance enthusiasts "invested" in said firm that, unless they ran very quickly, the august issuers [known to our amateur investors only as "Tom" and "Jeff"] would OKTHXBAI first, leaving our titans of finance to sob and wipe snot on their pant legs.

Unsurprisingly, this came to pass, but with surprising rapidity--a couple of days.

So now you know what I know about Cryptostocks.
Now stop being retarded

[Germican]

...
As well I'm simply asking you to provide proper evidence to your your claim.
...

The scope of this 'claim' is about how most Havelock securities are a bad investment. Not listing the other 'exchanges' does not invalidate the facts presented.

Your right that is just for securities in general. The info posted previously about the purchasing power of stocks at ipo compared to now is what invalidates his claim. His definition of "profit"  is his major error in the chart.

Edit: also his initial post of the chart was not specified to Havelock it was to securities in general and he just posted Havelock information

[NotLambchop]

...
His definition of "profit"  is his major error in the chart.

Which definition is that?  I even reached back into the past to include a delisted security which did show a profit.

...
*** "Profit" is calculated using this formula: ((highest bid)+(Dividends paid)-(Issue price)) / (Issue price) * 100.
This number represents not calculated due to laziness and the inevitable bickering that's sure to ensue about the meaning of "profit."
Suffice it to say none of the securities listed could be called profitable with a straight face. One, thanks for the PM.
...

[Blazed]

The simple truth is that almost every security will loose you coins.  Early AM and SD investors did well...the rest are bag holders.  I am glad these kind of threads point out how horrible bitcoin securities are. 

[Blazed]

I think you should also add other securities not listed on Havelock.  I almost invested a bunch of my coins into ice drill...thanks god I didn't.  I would like a single thread with every bitcoin security/mining coop/ and also MPEX stuff is listed!  I would donate to the effort.

[Germican]

I think you should also add other securities not listed on Havelock.  I almost invested a bunch of my coins into ice drill...thanks god I didn't.  I would like a single thread with every bitcoin security/mining coop/ and also MPEX stuff is listed!  I would donate to the effort.

The problem was this post wasn't too inform but manipulate. If your look at the "why do you invest?"  thread NotLambchop is the owner of B.Mine B.Exchange and B.Sell. He wanted a biased chart to make people think his security is better than the others. If he was to post other securities like cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT from cryptostocks it wouldn't support what he's trying to do as those stocks are higher.

There is a big reason why earlier cryptostocks listings tended to stay above ipo until problems happened. Havelock has always had ipo flags which didn't allow you to sell during ipo. Prior to several months ago cryptostocks didn't have that. So if someone wanted to liquidate a Havelock security you had to wait then everyone did it all at once when the ipo flag dropped. Sadly cryptostocks started allowing this as well but prior to that there was never a post ipo crash like every Havelock stock because people weren't restricted on when they could sell.

[NotLambchop]

...If your look at the "why do you invest?"  thread NotLambchop is the owner of B.Mine B.Exchange and B.Sell. He wanted a biased chart to make people think his security is better than the others. If he was to post other securities like cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT from cryptostocks it wouldn't support what he's trying to do as those stocks are higher.
...

Lol, what gave you that idea?
*Did you know that tinfoil is virtually unobtainable today?  My minions have replaced it with cheap ersatz aluminum foil, which can't even stop the puny nm-range thought control radiation, forget the mighty sub-ether spread-spectrum orgone waves I provide to your Reptilian Overlords.  

That's why you've been thinking them strange thoughts, Germican--your hat is useless.  I'm only telling you this 'coz it's too late for you to do anything about it--I'm in ur brainz, firing your neuronz!

[Phildo]

...
But you rather lash out at the intelligence of others because your more intelligent than everyone else,  right? I think you forgot to tip your Fedora to me.

He is intelligent enough to run this:

...
Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL):
This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.
...

Now stop

You claimed here that you ran this when you were getting upset in the "why do you invest thread"

twentyseventy runs that.