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June 29, 2014, 06:48:38 PM
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But you rather lash out at the intelligence of others because your more intelligent than everyone else,  right? I think you forgot to tip your Fedora to me.


He is intelligent enough to run this:

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Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL):
This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.
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Now stop Angry


You claimed here that you ran this when you were getting upset in the "why do you invest thread"

twentyseventy runs that.

Yeah i see that now. I had thought in the prior post to that, that I was so arguing with NotLambchop. Must have been having to much fun and didn't realize it wasn't him.
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Prices updated to 6/30/2014.  Chart in the first post left unedited for ref.
In the span of five days, prices fell on all but 2 offerings.
One delisting(KCIM).
One failed IPO (PROV).
Two (MS and SMG) remained ~unchanged.
If you see any errors, please PM/post.  Thanks.

  ~Happy investing


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|Offering|Issue price*|Current Price|Highest bid|Dividends paid**|Profit?|Notses|














|Seventh Continent Ltd. (7C)|0.0077|0.0069|0.0027|0.0000|no| |














|ALCHEMINER (ALC)|0.1400|0.0800|0.0800|0.0000|no| |














|ASICMINER Full Shares (AM1)|4.5000 see [1]|0.19101|0.1911|~0.3|no|see [1]|














|ASICMINER Fractional Shares (AM100)|1/100 fract. of above| | |~(1/100 fract. of above)-5%|no|see [1]|














|Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL)|  |  |  |  |no|see [2]|














|CasinoBitco.in (CBTC)|0.00018; 0.00013; 0.00014; 0.00012|0.00007|0.00007|0.0000032|no|  |














|Crypto Financial (CFIG)|0.1500|0.0440|0.0440|0.0|no|  |














|Dealco.in (DEALCO)|0.01000|0.0019|0.0018|0.0008|no|  |














|Havelock Investments Fund (HavelockInvestments.com) (HIF)|0.00050; 0.00066|0.00008002|0.00008002|0.00000037|no|  |














|Havelock Mining Fund (HMF)|4.6000; 4.6000; 15.0000; 15.0000 |0.00350001|0.00350000|0.030621|no|1:100 split|














|Mintspare Inc. (MS)|0.00500|0.00060|0.00054|0.0|no|  |














|PETA-MINE CryptX (PETA)|0.05000; 0.09500; 0.09750|0.03549695|0.03232304|0.01432932|no|  |














|Rental Starter (RENT)|0.00550; 0.00750|0.00374197|0.00340010|0.00006|no|  |














|SCRYPT-X BY CRYPTX (SCRYPT)|0.041000; 0.039500; 0.038000; 0.042500|0.01749990|0.01749990|0.00307706|no|  |














|Seedcoin Fund 1 (SF1)|0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000|0.00018000|0.00018001|0.0|no|  |














|S.MG Passthru from MPEX (SMG)|0.000093 |0.00006000|0.00005150|0.0|no|  |














|ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 (ROCK)|0.00112|0.0007|0.0005|0|no|  |














|DataTank Mining Capacity + Mining Equipment (DTMA)|0|0|0|0|no|Pre-IPO |














|DataTank Mining Fund Capacity (DTMB)|0|0|0|0|no|Pre-IPO |














|NEOBEE/NEOBEEQ|??|Delisted|0|0|no|Issuer ran away|














|COG|??|Delisted|0|??|no|Issuer "learned a lot"|














|XBOND|0.00100|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.00105|??|??|YES|the exception|














|Korb and Co. Investments Mining Fund (KCIM)|1.00000|Delisted|??|0.1849|no|1:100 split, see HERE|














|MPEx S.DICE Passthrough (SDICE)|0.00480000 [3]|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.0035 [3]|??|95% of MPEx dividends|YES|see [3]|














|Labcoin Passthrough (LABCO)|??[4]|Delisted|??|0.0|no|Issuer ran away; see [4]|
















* Multiple numbers in this column correspond to multiple IPO trenches--first tranche, second tranche etc., etc.

** "Dividends paid" is the sum total of all dividends paid to date (6/25/2014 6/30/2014).

*** "Profit" is calculated using this formula: ((highest bid)+(Dividends paid)-(Issue price)) / (Issue price) * 100.
This number represents
not calculated due to laziness and the inevitable bickering that's sure to ensue about the meaning of "profit."
Suffice it to say none of the securities listed could be called profitable with a straight face. One, thanks for the PM.

[1] In the case of ASICMINER, issue price represents the price at the time of initial listing on Havelock, not the IPO price.

[2] This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.

[3] Data taken from HERE.

[4] Data from web.archive.oirg
Labcoin thread on Bitcointalk.
 

Edit: corrected ROCKMINER
Edit 7/7/2014:  SDICE added; LABCO added
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June 30, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
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If you see any errors, please PM/post.  Thanks.

Quick note, total dividends for KCIM ended up being 0.001849 (though I do see your note on the bottom about being last updated on the 25th). Also, like HMF we split 100:1 as well, so the dividends were the equivalent of BTC0.1849 on an IPO of BTC1.0.

Not saying it's anything to be proud of, but I did want to make sure the chart was factual. Maybe an additional column noting any splits?

Anyway, this is a good chart to have. A comprehensive list of all successes and (overwhelming) failures on Havelock (or other exchanges) should be a good demonstration to anyone looking to invest their coins. Bitcoin-based securities are risky, to put it lightly. I'm not sure many people fully grasp that concept yet.

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Hi, sorry about that, thanks for pointing out the mistakes.  Updated KCIF with divs/note re. stock split (with a link to your post), and HMF with a note for now.
All the best.
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July 02, 2014, 11:56:12 PM
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I think you should also add other securities not listed on Havelock.  I almost invested a bunch of my coins into ice drill...thanks god I didn't.  I would like a single thread with every bitcoin security/mining coop/ and also MPEX stuff is listed!  I would donate to the effort.

The problem was this post wasn't too inform but manipulate. If your look at the "why do you invest?"  thread NotLambchop is the owner of B.Mine B.Exchange and B.Sell. He wanted a biased chart to make people think his security is better than the others. If he was to post other securities like cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT from cryptostocks it wouldn't support what he's trying to do as those stocks are higher.

There is a big reason why earlier cryptostocks listings tended to stay above ipo until problems happened. Havelock has always had ipo flags which didn't allow you to sell during ipo. Prior to several months ago cryptostocks didn't have that. So if someone wanted to liquidate a Havelock security you had to wait then everyone did it all at once when the ipo flag dropped. Sadly cryptostocks started allowing this as well but prior to that there was never a post ipo crash like every Havelock stock because people weren't restricted on when they could sell.

Dude, all it takes is one forum-wide search to verify your facts before posting to a thread.  You could have just searched 'Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative', found who the OP was, and easily seen that it was twentyseventy.


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^
Actually no, great idea.  Forum tags let you do links like this: Provenance ASIC (PROV).
Thanks, will update it by tomorrow. Done Smiley

Edit:  Could you link me to the SD info?

Sure had to go back a bit in time sorry missed that edit for a while
https://web.archive.org/web/20130702194203/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=SDICE&action=getdetails
https://web.archive.org/web/20130702192803/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=SDICE&action=getupdates

IPO
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1433087#msg1433087
Can't recall exact shares they held but somewhere around 6200 Units + If you look at the updates from the archive
February 5th, 2013 - Well that was exciting!

S.DICE sale on MPEX sold out in ~20 seconds. I managed to get 120,000 of the 1,000,000 shares for Havelock (12% worth of what was released) at a decent rate of 0.00557 for 100k and 0.00550 for 20k. I subsequently listed them on Havelock at 0.565, and sold out immediately (eating up all the bids between 0.645 and 0.565)

Sounds like there'll be another 1,000,000 on sale again tomorrow night on MPEX, probably at slightly higher rate.. If there's bids in the order book for Havelock, I'll try again to buy what I can to match it up!

Have a good night!
James

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136671.0

Confirmation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134370.msg1433091#msg1433091
Closed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2759533#msg2759533

Started at

Havelock Passthrough: 0.00480000

That said if anyone is 100% certain of some other numbers feel free to call me out Tongue
Pretty sure its on the money

MPEX Stuff
https://web.archive.org/web/20120907063551/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/assets/S.DICE_Prospectus_Summary.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20130502225616/http://www.polimedia.us/bitcoin/assets/S.DICE_Prospectus_Full.pdf
Dividend record to May
https://web.archive.org/web/20130502173747/http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
Final Dividend
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2759402#msg2759402

Old Summary
http://tradeblock.com/research/bitcoin-gaming-satoshidice-acquisition-analysis/
http://buttcoin.org/satoshi-dice-sold-for-12000000-forces-all-shareholders-to-give-up-their-shares
The total sale price is 126,315 BTC, or 0.00126315 BTC per share.
According to the MPEX Agreement, MPEX holders are entitled to receive 0.00126315 BTC per share, alongside other private owners. However, for the good of the MPEX holders and for the sake of the general Bitcoin community, which the site always has intended to support and nurture, SatoshiDice has arranged to pay MPEX holders an additional .00223685 BTC per share bringing the total to 0.0035 BTC per share.

TL/DR Summary Profit was made lol
http://tradeblock.com/research/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shareholder-return.png


Also back in the time machine
CAVIRTEX
Smiley

Sorry about S Dice didn't save a prospectus so if someone has it can they share it instead
I do have one for virtex though so you can get all the info you need.
End result Company shutdown the Bitcoin asset Tied their shares to Fiat and released share certificates worth $30 bucks tied to BTC making them hard/impossible to trade lol.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3954404#msg3954404

http://depositfiles.com/files/xufm7ut77

Minimum purchase: 1 share
Share price: $30 CAD = 0.64 BTC5
VirtEx IPO will issue 10,000 shares for sale on
www.havelockinvestments.com
on March 19, 2013
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@Swordsoffreedom:  Thanks, will update today, though since SD was an MPEx offering, with Havelock acting as a passthrough, hope I won't be accused of pimping MPEx Cheesy

Done.
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There's no point to invest through a deflationary currency.

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@Swordsoffreedom:  Thanks, will update today, though since SD was an MPEx offering, with Havelock acting as a passthrough, hope I won't be accused of pimping MPEx Cheesy

Done.

No problem, ah and don't forget cavirtex Smiley
That one is easier to track just 30 dollars in fiat linked to BTC as the price haha and NO on the chart lol.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3998459#msg3998459
The share price will be fixed at $30 CAD per share (due to our Canadian dollar valuation) but priced in BTC. At the time of this writing [March 18, 2013] using an exchange rate of $46.875 CAD/BTC one share will cost 0.64 BTC. The BTC price will change on Havelock every hour as the BTC/CAD exchange rate changes."
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This thread should be pinned to the top.

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Updated; corrections welcome.

Prices updated to 7/8/2014.  Previous chart left unedited for ref.
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|Offering|Issue price*|Current Price|Highest bid|Dividends paid**|Profit?|Notses|














|Seventh Continent Ltd. (7C)|0.0077|0.00699000|0.0027|0.0000|no| |














|ALCHEMINER (ALC)|0.1400|0.13499999|0.13499999|0.0000|no| |














|ASICMINER Full Shares (AM1)|4.5000 see [1]|0.19865420|0.18500000|~0.3|no|see [1]|














|ASICMINER Fractional Shares (AM100)|1/100 fract. of above| | |~(1/100 fract. of above)-5%|no|see [1]|














|Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL)|  |  |  |  |no|see [2]|














|CasinoBitco.in (CBTC)|0.00018; 0.00013; 0.00014; 0.00012|0.00007875|0.00007455|0.00000396|no|  |














|Crypto Financial (CFIG)|0.1500|0.05500000|0.04400000|0.0|no|  |














|Dealco.in (DEALCO)|0.01000|0.00189000|0.00186020|0.0008|no|  |














|Havelock Investments Fund (HavelockInvestments.com) (HIF)|0.00050; 0.00066|0.00011410|0.00011400|0.00000037|no|  |














|Havelock Mining Fund (HMF)|4.6000; 4.6000; 15.0000; 15.0000 |0.00300005|0.00300005|0.0307085|no|1:100 split|














|Mintspare Inc. (MS)|0.00500|0.00051600|0.00050000|0.0|no|  |














|PETA-MINE CryptX (PETA)|0.05000; 0.09500; 0.09750|0.03466123|0.03465622|0.01542253|no|  |














|Rental Starter (RENT)|0.00550; 0.00750|0.00450000|0.00406000|0.00006|no|  |














|SCRYPT-X BY CRYPTX (SCRYPT)|0.041000; 0.039500; 0.038000; 0.042500|0.01000000|0.00775802|0.00327853|no|  |














|Seedcoin Fund 1 (SF1)|0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000|0.00028982|0.00020003|0.0|no|  |














|S.MG Passthru from MPEX (SMG)|0.000093 |0.00006000|0.00005150|0.0|no|  |














|ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 (ROCK)|0.00112|0.00098000|0.00057105|0|no|  |














|DataTank Mining Capacity + Mining Equipment (DTMA)|Canceled IPO|0|0|0|no|Canceled IPO|














|DataTank Mining Fund Capacity (DTMB)|Canceled IPO|0|0|0|no|Canceled IPO|














|NEOBEE/NEOBEEQ|??|Delisted|0|0|no|Issuer ran away|














|COG|??|Delisted|0|??|no|Issuer "learned a lot"|














|XBOND|0.00100|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.00105|??|??|YES|the exception|














|Korb and Co. Investments Mining Fund (KCIM)|1.00000|Delisted|??|0.1849|no|1:100 split, see HERE|














|MPEx S.DICE Passthrough (SDICE)|0.00480000 [3]|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.0035 [3]|??|95% of MPEx dividends|YES|see [3]|














|Labcoin Passthrough (LABCO)|??[4]|Delisted|??|0.0|no|Issuer ran away; see [4]|














|VirtEx Canadian Bitcoin Exchange (VTX)|0.3922|Delisted[5]|??|0.0|no|see [5]|
















* Multiple numbers in this column correspond to multiple IPO trenches--first tranche, second tranche etc., etc.

** "Dividends paid" is the sum total of all dividends paid to date (6/25/2014 6/30/2014).

*** "Profit" is calculated using this formula: ((highest bid)+(Dividends paid)-(Issue price)) / (Issue price) * 100.
This number represents
not calculated due to laziness and the inevitable bickering that's sure to ensue about the meaning of "profit."
Suffice it to say none of the securities listed could be called profitable with a straight face. One, thanks for the PM.

[1] In the case of ASICMINER, issue price represents the price at the time of initial listing on Havelock, not the IPO price.

[2] This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.

[3] Data taken from HERE.

[4] Data from web.archive.org
Labcoin thread on Bitcointalk.

[5] Data from web.archive.org
CaVirtex.com Thread on Bitcointalk.

 

Edit: corrected ROCKMINER
Edit 7/7/2014:  SDICE added; LABCO added
Edit 7/8/2014:  VTX added
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It was 0.64/BTC / Share on Cavirtex not 0.3922 but nice work  Wink
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@Swordsoffreedom, got .3922 from webarchive, here: 



More than one tranche maybe?  Thanks.
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@Swordsoffreedom, got .3922 from webarchive, here:



More than one tranche?  Thanks.

Hmm let me check again the IPO Page which I based it off said 0.64

http://depositfiles.com/files/xufm7ut77

The Archive Download works too strange
http://web.archive.org/web/20130702162325/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=VTX&action=getofferings

Edit In: I think your right actually since that was what was listed there although the one that virtex put in the IPO sheet was recorded higher
They must have adjusted down back then
Guess keep the original and assume that was the correct value.
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Slightly OT, but posting this in fairness to Havelock.


A screencap from a few minutes ago, with the following color keys:

:  Fraud or trading at less than 1/10th the issue price.
:  Trading below IPO;  (cumulative divvidends paid)+(current price) < IPO price
: Proven profitable since IPO.

No color: New offering/ratings do not apply.
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TL;DR update:

More of the same.  A couple of Three new IPOs.

ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 [ROCK]
  Issue price:      .00112
  Current price:   .00055
  Divs total:        .00001
  Loss to date:   ~50%

Big Trend Capital Investment [HASH]
  Issue price:       .022
  Current price:    .003
  Divs total:         0
  Loss to date:    kek

Edit:  Whoops, missed one:
Bitcoin ATM Fund Ignite Financing [BTM]
  Issue price:      0.0018
  Current price:   0.0015
  Divs total:        0
  Loss to date:   yes

The chart below isn't updated because lazy and only the amounts of losses have changed--most increased, none decreased, a couple remained unchanged.
Since there are no profitable investments (haven't been since Havelock was "sold" to Panama Fund), I assume intrepid investors are "investing" as a form of self-abuse/humiliation, possibly as penance for past sins, a plea for attention, or to satisfy a creepy fetish.  Regardless, it's clear that more numbers and facts won't change a thing.

  ~Happy investing


Prices updated to 7/8/2014.  Previous chart left unedited for ref.
  ~Happy investing


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This bespoke quality table was laboriously handcrafted by earnest local artisans, using only the finest traditional forum markup to bring you authentic, naturally aged vintage data (circa 6/25/2014 7/8/2014).
If you spot any errors, please PM.  Feel free to post HERE if you crave a intilectual discussing.















|Offering|Issue price*|Current Price|Highest bid|Dividends paid**|Profit?|Notses|














|Seventh Continent Ltd. (7C)|0.0077|0.00699000|0.0027|0.0000|no| |














|ALCHEMINER (ALC)|0.1400|0.13499999|0.13499999|0.0000|no| |














|ASICMINER Full Shares (AM1)|4.5000 see [1]|0.19865420|0.18500000|~0.3|no|see [1]|














|ASICMINER Fractional Shares (AM100)|1/100 fract. of above| | |~(1/100 fract. of above)-5%|no|see [1]|














|Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (B.EXCH; B.MINE; B.SELL)|  |  |  |  |no|see [2]|














|CasinoBitco.in (CBTC)|0.00018; 0.00013; 0.00014; 0.00012|0.00007875|0.00007455|0.00000396|no|  |














|Crypto Financial (CFIG)|0.1500|0.05500000|0.04400000|0.0|no|  |














|Dealco.in (DEALCO)|0.01000|0.00189000|0.00186020|0.0008|no|  |














|Havelock Investments Fund (HavelockInvestments.com) (HIF)|0.00050; 0.00066|0.00011410|0.00011400|0.00000037|no|  |














|Havelock Mining Fund (HMF)|4.6000; 4.6000; 15.0000; 15.0000 |0.00300005|0.00300005|0.0307085|no|1:100 split|














|Mintspare Inc. (MS)|0.00500|0.00051600|0.00050000|0.0|no|  |














|PETA-MINE CryptX (PETA)|0.05000; 0.09500; 0.09750|0.03466123|0.03465622|0.01542253|no|  |














|Rental Starter (RENT)|0.00550; 0.00750|0.00450000|0.00406000|0.00006|no|  |














|SCRYPT-X BY CRYPTX (SCRYPT)|0.041000; 0.039500; 0.038000; 0.042500|0.01000000|0.00775802|0.00327853|no|  |














|Seedcoin Fund 1 (SF1)|0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000; 0.001000|0.00028982|0.00020003|0.0|no|  |














|S.MG Passthru from MPEX (SMG)|0.000093 |0.00006000|0.00005150|0.0|no|  |














|ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 (ROCK)|0.00112|0.00098000|0.00057105|0|no|  |














|DataTank Mining Capacity + Mining Equipment (DTMA)|Canceled IPO|0|0|0|no|Canceled IPO|














|DataTank Mining Fund Capacity (DTMB)|Canceled IPO|0|0|0|no|Canceled IPO|














|NEOBEE/NEOBEEQ|??|Delisted|0|0|no|Issuer ran away|














|COG|??|Delisted|0|??|no|Issuer "learned a lot"|














|XBOND|0.00100|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.00105|??|??|YES|the exception|














|Korb and Co. Investments Mining Fund (KCIM)|1.00000|Delisted|??|0.1849|no|1:100 split, see HERE|














|MPEx S.DICE Passthrough (SDICE)|0.00480000 [3]|Delisted, issuer bought back @0.0035 [3]|??|95% of MPEx dividends|YES|see [3]|














|Labcoin Passthrough (LABCO)|??[4]|Delisted|??|0.0|no|Issuer ran away; see [4]|














|VirtEx Canadian Bitcoin Exchange (VTX)|0.3922|Delisted[5]|??|0.0|no|see [5]|
















* Multiple numbers in this column correspond to multiple IPO trenches--first tranche, second tranche etc., etc.

** "Dividends paid" is the sum total of all dividends paid to date (6/25/2014 6/30/2014).

*** "Profit" is calculated using this formula: ((highest bid)+(Dividends paid)-(Issue price)) / (Issue price) * 100.
This number represents
not calculated due to laziness and the inevitable bickering that's sure to ensue about the meaning of "profit."
Suffice it to say none of the securities listed could be called profitable with a straight face. One, thanks for the PM.

[1] In the case of ASICMINER, issue price represents the price at the time of initial listing on Havelock, not the IPO price.

[2] This [three-part offering] is not an investment but a ((zero sum)-fee) game.  The issuer is open and honest about this.

[3] Data taken from HERE.

[4] Data from web.archive.org
Labcoin thread on Bitcointalk.

[5] Data from web.archive.org
CaVirtex.com Thread on Bitcointalk.

 

Edit: corrected ROCKMINER
Edit 7/7/2014:  SDICE added; LABCO added
Edit 7/8/2014:  VTX added
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Table is obviously out of date and not maintained, but I wanted to say kudos for the message. None of the "securities" have one much to enrich the investors. There is no "get rich quick" method, only madness.

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February 19, 2015, 09:31:32 PM
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Havelock investments have made me rich with anticipation.

I can wait so good.
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Well since the site is down for maintenance
A bit of securities history might be amusing for some
So light bump as well
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