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Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ? If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ? He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ? Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share. That's where I think you are wrong! I'm pretty sure he'll come back here with information. Like "The guy behind Lunamine is a Chinese wo can not be found anymore"... So as I'm saying no real information?
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August 28, 2014, 01:06:06 AM |
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Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ? If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ? He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...
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August 28, 2014, 08:43:29 AM |
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I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?
If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier. Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues. There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful. i get as far as http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/ being the parent company of the hosting for lunamine.
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August 28, 2014, 12:25:09 PM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
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August 28, 2014, 02:53:24 PM |
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using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.
Hmmm, maybe you should try to enlarge your field of vision, a side of earth is large, and the other side is as large. I purposefully gave a vague hint, in order not to give too much information to some people who are trailed, and also to avoid embarrassing them in case they haven't done anything wrong. At the moment, I'm busy with another research, which may or may not be related. As usual, I can't give too much detail, so please bear with me. Are you willing to give the information you have obtained so far over to us and we can help you vet it and provide everyone here with an update it is at least a real lead? We've been trusted to break stories by the CEO of 1-800-Flowers etc so we have some experience dealing with this sort of thing and protecting all parties involved.
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August 28, 2014, 06:00:05 PM |
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I do not know who this kurt larsson is. When lunamine was active, this Christophe Verweire emailed me to promote lunamine in this thread. Hello! If you happen to be on Bitcointalk.org forum, we would appreciate you sharing your experience using our services in our forum thread. We are not asking for positive feedback only, if you can share any drawbacks, we are happy to hear that so we can improve our service. Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.0Thank you! Best regards, Christophe, Project lead I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead? Kurt Larsson came up on a phone number search from the domain registration details. Do you have the header for that email, can you post and blank out your details. Delivered-To: ***** Received: by 10.76.23.133 with SMTP id m5csp20256oaf; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.63.228 with SMTP id j4mr9402231wjs.7.1405212909881; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: < christophe@lunamine.com> Received: from s101.web-hosting.com (server101.web-hosting.com. [37.61.237.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4si4544618wij.16.2014.07.12.17.55.08 for <*****> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: christophe@lunamine.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=37.61.237.213; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: christophe@lunamine.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=christophe@lunamine.com Received: from localhost ([::1]:35119 helo=server101.web-hosting.com) by server101.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from < christophe@lunamine.com>) id 1X684I-001cNk-RN for *****; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:08 -0400 Received: from 37.221.169.149 ([37.221.169.149]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user christophe@lunamine.com) by server101.web-hosting.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: < 5fa08d86e566e1fcdfce89dfe8a5af19.squirrel@server101.web-hosting.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:06 -0400 Subject: Your opinion of our service From: "Christophe Verweihe" < christophe@lunamine.com> To: ***** User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server101.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gmail.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lunamine.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server101.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: christophe@lunamine.comX-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:
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August 28, 2014, 06:05:08 PM Last edit: August 28, 2014, 08:57:41 PM by odlal |
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Delivered-To: ***** Received: by 10.76.23.133 with SMTP id m5csp20256oaf; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.63.228 with SMTP id j4mr9402231wjs.7.1405212909881; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: < christophe@lunamine.com> Received: from s101.web-hosting.com (server101.web-hosting.com. [37.61.237.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4si4544618wij.16.2014.07.12.17.55.08 for <*****> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: christophe@lunamine.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip= 37.61.237.213; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: christophe@lunamine.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=christophe@lunamine.com Received: from localhost ([::1]:35119 helo=server101.web-hosting.com) by server101.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from < christophe@lunamine.com>) id 1X684I-001cNk-RN for *****; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:08 -0400 Received: from 37.221.169.149 ([37.221.169.149]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user christophe@lunamine.com) by server101.web-hosting.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: < 5fa08d86e566e1fcdfce89dfe8a5af19.squirrel@server101.web-hosting.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:55:06 -0400 Subject: Your opinion of our service From: "Christophe Verweihe" < christophe@lunamine.com> To: ***** User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server101.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gmail.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lunamine.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server101.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: christophe@lunamine.comX-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: The Mail Server IP address is the same : 37.61.237.213A different workstation IP address : 37.221.169.149So probably just using some sort of a Proxy ... I s'pose it's best then for interested parties / super sleuths to contact the Hosting company of their apparent Mail Server eh ? One could hope it wasn't setup or paid for anonymously ... Well I just google'd "Landmark House, Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN, 37.61.237.213" and it seems as though there are lots and lots companies registered there !!! Hrmpphhh https://www.opencompany.co.uk/company-by-postcode/ln1-3snAnd now looking at a Google Streetview of the address (dated October 2012) : https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.244946,-0.537991,3a,75y,83.88h,91.77t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sNXRWUddVPZ9wl2JJTfW05A!2e0!6m1!1e1 A company of Chartered Accountants called "Russell Payne & Co Ltd" appear to be the current tenants ! http://russellpayne.co.uk/book-here/So where are all the other companies hiding lol ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 28, 2014, 09:00:38 PM Last edit: August 28, 2014, 09:48:52 PM by odlal |
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I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?
If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier. Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues. There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful. i get as far as http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/ being the parent company of the hosting for lunamine. Could you say how you singled out "WebHostingBuzz" please ? I've found it listed as one of the companies at the "Landmark House" address via the name of "Host Lincoln Ltd" ... but only as one of many. Thanks !
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August 28, 2014, 09:35:09 PM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
Wow another newbie with a worthless post! Are you a lunamine alias? You are also incorrect. Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP. It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year. For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted.
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August 28, 2014, 11:28:19 PM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
Wow another newbie with a worthless post! Are you a lunamine alias? You are also incorrect. Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP. It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year. For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted. So you're going to to track the admin down? Good luck. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 28, 2014, 11:47:22 PM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
Wow another newbie with a worthless post! Are you a lunamine alias? You are also incorrect. Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP. It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year. For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted. So you're going to to track the admin down? Good luck. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Never said I would do that, I don't have any skin in this game. I'm just pointing out it has been done before. Newbies telling people to give up or just stalling could even be aliases of lunamine.
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August 29, 2014, 12:32:54 AM |
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Did you notice ? Who makes a typo in their own name ?
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Mining for fun.
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August 29, 2014, 12:43:14 AM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back.
Don't be so negative, some of us are trying, and some amount of progress is actually being made while people are talking... This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Actually, they could have actually had mining hardware, as far as I can tell. The question here is rather, did they sell more than they own, and why did the operation end so abruptly. Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
Frankly, this is out of place. And, I've got a hunch that PB Mining may have some very solid insurance mechanism against failure.
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Mining for fun.
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August 29, 2014, 08:40:55 AM |
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What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back.
Don't be so negative, some of us are trying, and some amount of progress is actually being made while people are talking... This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.
Actually, they could have actually had mining hardware, as far as I can tell. The question here is rather, did they sell more than they own, and why did the operation end so abruptly. Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this
Frankly, this is out of place. And, I've got a hunch that PB Mining may have some very solid insurance mechanism against failure. He meant crash as in running away with the investments, their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.
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August 30, 2014, 04:09:17 AM |
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their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.
And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business.
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Mining for fun.
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August 30, 2014, 10:08:49 AM |
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Hi Dekodoge ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Could I ask please : What makes you so certain of the link between the Lunamine domain and Host Lincoln / WebHostingBuzz ? If you could possibly share a URL to highlight such a connection I'd be very grateful ! Or perhaps you've contacted them already ? Cheers, Odlal
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August 31, 2014, 07:45:59 PM |
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their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.
And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business. There are very many posts with elaborate proof of PBMining being a ponzi, they simply can't have as much hashing power as they have sold to their customers. This is no problem though, as long as they keep paying out what they promise. Just remember that during the first week they outright refused to provide proof that they even had a single mining rig because "they didn't need to".
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September 01, 2014, 09:21:12 AM |
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Hi Dekodoge ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Could I ask please : What makes you so certain of the link between the Lunamine domain and Host Lincoln / WebHostingBuzz ? If you could possibly share a URL to highlight such a connection I'd be very grateful ! Or perhaps you've contacted them already ? Cheers, Odlal Spoon fed much!!!! do a ripe lookup on the ip 37.61.237.213 www.ripe.netrole: LayerIP NOC address: Landmark House, 1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN, UK admin-c: LRIP-RIPE tech-c: ARKH8-RIPE nic-hdl: LRIP-RIPE mnt-by: MNT-LAYERIP source: RIPE # Filtered Click on LRIP-RIPE That is just one way to link them back. ore google. "Host Lincoln Limited" First hit Web Hosting | Reseller Hosting | VPS | Dedicated Servers www.webhostingbuzz.co.uk/Industry leading provider of Web Hosting, Reseller Hosting, VPS Hosting and ... 5* rated web hosting. ... Host Lincoln Limited t/a WebHostingBuzz.co.uk.UK Hosting - Reseller Hosting - UK Dedicated Servers - VPS Hosting and then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebHostingBuzzIn 2012, WebHostingBuzz announced plans for major expansion in Europe, operating as WebHostingBuzz.co.uk,
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September 01, 2014, 11:00:05 AM |
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their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.
And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business. What? Do you seriously believe that PBMining is NOT a ponzi scheme? You cannot be serious.
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Hey.. watsup.
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