www.lunamine.com - 0.0025 BTC/GHs mining contracts | On-demand withdrawals

[lunamine]

UPDATE 4th Jul
Free trials discontinued for now as they clogged up our communication resources.

Hello!

We are proud to announce our new project http://lunamine.com

A little introduction:

The idea about lunamine stuck into our heads after once again seeing GHash get close to 51% and threatening Bitcoin's decentralization and seeing many other cloud mining providers fail to deliver quality service. We believe that true decentralization is one of Bitcoin's strongest aspects and it is not OK for anyone to get near that much hashrate even if they promise not to do anything wrong. Decentralization is about having to trust no specific people.

That being said, we are an experienced team in the Bitcoin mining industry. Our CEO, Cristophe has been mining bitcoins since they were trading for approximately 1 USD. With all the experience we have gained, we are here to stay. We are currently at a testing phase and will try our best to enter the market agressively.

Lunamine is an extension to our already established mining operation. With lunamine we are looking to provide everyone mining for honest and low rates and of course, expand and therefore decrease chances of large pools to get close to 50% of total hashrate.

Why lunamine?

 - Best rates. Currently ~ 0.0025 BTC / GHs

 - Withdrawals on demand

 - Constant innovation and fast support

 - Hourly updates on results

 - We love and care for Bitcoin

 - 5% referral program with BTC withdrawals

 - 7 day refundable period

On demand payouts!

Every day your mining proceeds are added to your account balance. Unlike at most mining providers, you can make withdrawals whenever you want.

Minimum withdrawal: 0.01 BTC ($6). Currently withdrawals can take up to 1 to 48 hours for us to confirm. Automatic withdrawals
will be available as soon as we are sure it won't be unsafe for our customers funds.

7 day free trial - Mine with 10 GH/s for free

With the free trial you get 1:1 purchasing and mining experience. You can later withdraw the mining proceeds after you have decided to purchase our contracts.
Unfortunately people misunderstood the reasons of free trial and we discontinued new free trial orders, as the high volume clogged up our communication resources.

Referral program

Our referral program gives 5% of each contract purchased using the referral link. 5% is $50 out of $1000 and $500 out of $10000 - which you can withdraw as real Bitcoins instead of only hashing power.
To start, please sign up by taking the free trial option. In the dashboard you will, click on "Referral Program" and set up your referral link.

For any questions, please contact us via email: support@lunamine.com

To the moon!

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[arieq]

I have signed up for a 7 day free trial but it's not activated yet, please check.

my ref link http://ourdomain.com/7

[lunamine]

Hello!

Yeah, we manually check all orders, including free trials because there are people doing funny things, such as trying to get as many 10 GHs trials as possible etc.

Your free trial along with others have been confirmed. Updates in dashboard are hourly. That means you will see your first mined satoshis within an hour.

Best regards,
lunamine

[ronskii]

I signed up for free trial. The price per GH seems really good but first I have to find out if they're legit.

Here's the dashboard:
https://i.imgur.com/H7xqVFA.png

Has anyone ordered anything from them? I can try to order 1 contract and see how it goes. Also why 100 GH/s minimum.. for starters should have been lower, so that people can check you out without putting $150 upfront.

[lunamine]

Hello!

Thank you for your interest. If we had lower minimum, it would increase the costs per GH/s as more support would be necessary. Anyway, if there's enough demand, we can make the minimum order even 1 GH/s

The very reason we have the free trial option is so that people don't have to put the $160 upfront prior to seeing how our website works and how we communicate. 

Best regards,
lunamine

[ronskii]

Hello!

Thank you for your interest. If we had lower minimum, it would increase the costs per GH/s as more support would be necessary. Anyway, if there's enough demand, we can make the minimum order even 1 GH/s

The very reason we have the free trial option is so that people don't have to put the $160 upfront prior to seeing how our website works and how we communicate. 

Best regards,
lunamine

Yea, make the minimum lower.. 10 GH.. that will help both you and customers.

Anyways.. f-it. I bought 100 GH, sent 0.24612355 BTC. I will update everyone how it goes. Even if it goes wrong, at least I will have saved many hehe

[lunamine]

Hello!

Thank you for your order. Hopefully you will enjoy the experience!

UPDATE:

Due to a few people trying to bank on many free trial orders, we put some limitations and removed real addresses from free trials so that they won't clog up our databases.
Just to clarify - we check everything manually and there are is no point in trying to "hack" our website. All the coins are safe and separated as well as no SQL injections are possible.

[chaosPT]

How do i get the free trial 10ghz again ?

And i get to keep the mined coin after 1 week trial ?

[damiano]

I just signed up, can my account be credited?

Also you needto fix the limit on free contracts

[lunamine]

How do i get the free trial 10ghz again ?

And i get to keep the mined coin after 1 week trial ?

You can get the free trial only once. You can keep the mined coins. They will be available to withdraw if you choose to use our paid contracts since the minimum withdrawal amount is 0.01 BTC ($6.50)

I just signed up, can my account be credited?

Also you needto fix the limit on free contracts

Are you the guy who ordered 5 free trials? If so, will credit in a minute.

About the limits: sure, the it's not possible to edit HTML to get more orders anymore. Fixed.

[ronskii]

Withdrawal received!! Took less than 30 minutes.. keep it up guys!

I will get a referral link for additional BTC later

[Didldak]

wait wait wait - what about the electricity? You don't say much about that, only that we will have to pay for it, but nowhere it says how much :O

[dyask]

wait wait wait - what about the electricity? You don't say much about that, only that we will have to pay for it, but nowhere it says how much :O

Hoping the trial will show. 

[Didldak]

Just received my 10Gh/s, thank you!

Can you please tell us about electricity prices?
Thanks

[lunamine]

UPDATE:
We discontinued free trials for now. We got a lot of people signing up and suspected that they misunderstood that they are not for making money (with free contracts you cannot mine more than minimum withdrawal ($6.50), so trial mined coins are only available if you choose to invest in paid contracts).

Didldak - Thanks for noticing! Sorry for not specifying the exact number. I have to confirm this with Chris and we will update our webpage. Meanwhile you can be assured that our rate is more than fair. Our deal on electricity is the very reason we have been mining Bitcoin Once we receive our new shipment of chips which is planned in 1-2 weeks, our total energy consumption should fall down to about 0.75 W / GH/s. We will elaborate on calculations in our blog soon.

[dekodoge]

I have ordered -100 100GHS

#17662      -100   -25.26408868BTC    Jul 04 15:23:10   Pending


Please pay me at 1BXe4PAintWo2Q3VTBjejnYGHSnnfnjNqz

Thanks

[Didldak]

wait.. why did you order 100x 100Gh/s for 100*$160, when you couldve ordered 10x 1Th/s for 10*$1400 :O

[dekodoge]

wait.. why did you order 100x 100Gh/s for 100*$160, when you couldve ordered 10x 1Th/s for 10*$1400 :O

I didn't I ordered -100 so they now owe me 25.26408868BTC

[lunamine]

dekodoge -  Thanks for noticing. Took a minute to fix it but now we can be sure nobody can order negative hashrate

[dekodoge]

I still want my 25 BTC

[Didldak]

:DD Oh snap!

[chaosPT]

I still want my 25 BTC

Did you get anything back ?

[ronskii]

hahaha @dekodoge 

[lunamine]

I still want my 25 BTC

Did you get anything back ?

He was just playing a joke saying he ordered negative hashrate so he had to pay us negative bitcoin which, by logic, means we would have to pay him. I thought this might confuse some people.

What do you guys think about lowering minimum hashrate? 1 GH/s ? 10 GH/s ? 50 GH/s ?

[dyask]

What do you guys think about lowering minimum hashrate? 1 GH/s ? 10 GH/s ? 50 GH/s ?

1 TH/s pays < 0.03 BTC / Day.   So while I'm sure you sell more in smaller chunks, someone that buy 1 GH/s isn't going to like the results.

[Didldak]

dont lower hashrate, but tell us the prices.. we need to know everything we can about the contracts. Also proofs like photos, ids and stuff are always welcome =)

[dekodoge]

Hey I'm not me but I'm you, so confused.

[damiano]

We'll it would be nice if you had the following contracts for sale.

Having contracts for multiples of 25 would be helpful and being cheaper the more you purchase

25
50
75
100

Etc

[lunamine]

Hello,

Thank you for your orders!

We are working on getting an SSL certificate (https). Will be available as soon as we get verified. We're also thinking about 2FA as some people might not withdraw every day and some accounts might hold too many bitcoins for us not to have 2FA.

Best regards,
lunamine

[dyask]

Hello,

Thank you for your orders!

We are working on getting an SSL certificate (https). Will be available as soon as we get verified. We're also thinking about 2FA as some people might not withdraw every day and some accounts might hold too many bitcoins for us not to have 2FA.

Best regards,
lunamine

A transaction log is also needed.  Right now all you have is a number on the dashboard.   Mining awards and withdrawals should show up in a transaction log.

[lunamine]

You can see the withdrawal log in the "Withdrawal history" section. You can also see how much each contract has mined in since beginning, as well as how much all your contracts have mined in total. What would be the reasoning behind putting all that together in one log?

Sorry if I misunderstood your question. In that case please let me know what kind of information is needed/missing from our site.

Best regards,
lunamine

[dyask]

You can see the withdrawal log in the "Withdrawal history" section. You can also see how much each contract has mined in since beginning, as well as how much all your contracts have mined in total. What would be the reasoning behind putting all that together in one log?

Sorry if I misunderstood your question. In that case please let me know what kind of information is needed/missing from our site.

Best regards,
lunamine

I think it would be very useful to see how much each contract has mined each day.   

[dekodoge]

Buggers never activated my free hashing.

[david123]

Did I get it right that you deduct ~ 9.6 $ per month per 100GHs for electricity and
that you stop the contract if the revenues fall below that figure? So the "lifetime validity"
comes down to a couple of months, given reasonable diff increase assumptions, right?

[lunamine]

Did I get it right that you deduct ~ 9.6 $ per month per 100GHs for electricity and
that you stop the contract if the revenues fall below that figure? So the "lifetime validity"
comes down to a couple of months, given reasonable diff increase assumptions, right?

Yes, of course we do. It is impossible to legitimately provide 5 year contracts with no fees like our competitors do. If a company does that, they to steal something - either electricity or customers investments. At best case it is stealing electricity but even that can't last forever: once they get caught, the operation is no longer feasible and they are likely to disappear with people's money.

Whenever we advertise lifetime validity, we note that we run the miners as long as mined coins > electricity. If you suspect we have missed to mention that, please let me know and we will fix that.

[dekodoge]

How long is your electricity contract for at the current price?

[lunamine]

Buggers never activated my free hashing.

If you promise not to be me anymore.

We did not activate free contracts for people who were having fun trying to exploit our site. But you seem like a cool guy, so you can let me know your email in PM and I will sort it out or you.

Best regards,
lunamine

[dekodoge]

I'm ok , whats the point you cant cash out at the end.

[lunamine]

How long is your electricity contract for at the current price?

For any change regarding electricity rates we will be notified 12 months before. This is pretty safe. Also, there are chances for getting a cheaper deal than we have right now.

Data centers and similar operations are welcome here in our city both climate and state-wise. Facebook built their first data center in Europe in Luleå! Currently they are building their third one in Europe, also in Luleå. Lunamine's location is a really safe bet for the future in our opinion.

Best regards,
lunamine

[dekodoge]

Yeah you also have megamine as neighbours all using boden hydro power it would seem.

[david123]

Did I get it right that you deduct ~ 9.6 $ per month per 100GHs for electricity and
that you stop the contract if the revenues fall below that figure? So the "lifetime validity"
comes down to a couple of months, given reasonable diff increase assumptions, right?

Yes, of course we do. It is impossible to legitimately provide 5 year contracts with no fees like our competitors do. If a company does that, they to steal something - either electricity or customers investments. At best case it is stealing electricity but even that can't last forever: once they get caught, the operation is no longer feasible and they are likely to disappear with people's money.

Whenever we advertise lifetime validity, we note that we run the miners as long as mined coins > electricity. If you suspect we have missed to mention that, please let me know and we will fix that.

Well, I was just asking, not complaining

So you consider this one big competitor (whose name I don't have to mention) of yours as illegitimate. I'm not sure if I agree on that, but ok let's assume that..
Then still, to me, the catchy details (lifetime validity + 0.0025 BTC/GHs) of your offer seem to be aimed at undercutting this competitor. And you are only able to offer
these numbers by charging electricity fees, which are stated in the FAQ section and in a slightly obfuscated way (per GHs per day).

Might be just me, but this doesn't make a good impression..

[david123]

Yeah, I'm not sure if they are legit, probably they are not.. But all the "proofs" I've heard of have flaws, too. For example, if you assume
increasing diff as observed in the past, then 100 GHs will make just a couple of satoshis in years 2-5. Nobody forces them to mine
with today's gear for 5 full years. They could just allocate a certain percentage of their revenues for these late payouts.
Anyway, still I don't see how they can provide that service in a profitable way, but this can simply mean that I am not creative enough

For lunamine: I believe that you are providing the best prices you can and I wish you success. I just think it would be more honest
to state the electricity fees and the implications for the lifetime of the contract at a more prominent place and in a readable way.
The "lifetime validity" is simply misleading in my opinion, especially if you do not plan (i. e. guarantee) to adjust the electricity fees
to efficiency improvements over time.

Best, David

[lunamine]

Thank you for your opinion, appreciate that. I'll edit the texts so it's less misleading and there's a lower chance of misunderstanding.  

Oh and in fact, we will pass forward efficiency improvements to our existing customers. I think it was already mentioned, that we are planning to decrease maintenance costs soon.

Best regards,
lunamine

[lunamine]

Update:

SSL (https) enabled - https://www.lunamine.com
HTTPS is also forced when you enter the regular page.

We are also looking to implement 2FA. What kind of 2FA do you prefer?

[btcnoodle]

google authenticator please

[ronskii]

Withdrawal received.. Thank you!

Google FTW. 2FA is really important. Implement 2FA and I'll double my hashrate.

[BRE]

Google FTW. 2FA
yea you need this , after you implemented that i will place my money here

thanks and good luck 

[lunamine]

Any other opinions? I guess we will stick with Google then.

Is HTTPS working fine for everyone?

[CryptoNames]

Have a few questions about your service and would like to feature it on www.MiningContracts.com
Please PM us at your convenience.

[lunamine]

CryptoNames - thank you for your interest

A lot of good news coming in soon! Stay tuned

[ronskii]

Withdrawals still strong.. Maybe you should publish all txids for more transparency? BCS does that

[dekodoge]

http://www.lunamine.com/ and also http:/lunamine.com needs to redirect to HTTPS otherwise login credentials are sent in the plain.

also

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=lunamine.com

Gives you a F rating, you need to alter the Server config to not use insecure SSL ciphers.

Your welcome.

[lunamine]

http://www.lunamine.com/ and also http:/lunamine.com needs to redirect to HTTPS otherwise login credentials are sent in the plain.

also

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=lunamine.com

Gives you a F rating, you need to alter the Server config to not use insecure SSL ciphers.

Your welcome.

There was forced SSL initially but we got two reports of website not working, so we made SSL optional while we sort out the problem.

Thank you, I will check that link, sounds promising!

[lunamine]

Good news for the weekend:

More accessible contracts! This weekend (Jul 11 - Jul 13) we have lowered the minimum hashrate. 

Minimum hashrate: 50 GH/s
Price per contract: $79 / 0.125 BTC

Contracts are valid until they cover electricity costs ($0.003 per GH/s per day). BTC price is tied to USD, so it can fluctuate.

[lunamine]

We now offer upfront payments for signature: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686826.0 (limited offer, 5 slots only and full member+)

[ronskii]

How is business going? I bought 600 GHs more.. Please confirm

[lunamine]

Hello,

We accepted your payment one hour after it was made. Thank you for your business.

Best regards,
lunamine

[jjc326]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

[infested999]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

[ronskii]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

It's not really lifetime, its until they are not profitable.. cant expect for contracts to run forever.. for five years also can't.

We would love to see lower prices but unlikely to happen if their competition is at 0.003 BTC per GHs and not going lower

[jjc326]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

[infested999]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

[dyask]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

Last increase was only 3% but this next will probably be around 17%.  (my guess)

[ronskii]

Received another withdrawal and support was helpful enough to accept my purchase even when I sent coins to an older address..

You guys are doing great job.. BUT. Where's the 2FA??

[lunamine]

Well there is tons of work regarding the new miners we have been testing that are coming in in a few days. We cannot promise an exact date.

Regarding the HTTPS issue dokedoge mentioned - we made our hosting know immediately and they forwarded that to techs and promised to get back. Nothing has been done. We will try to contact them again.

Best regards,
lunamine

[CryptoNames]

Lunamine has been officially added to www.MiningContracts.com

We welcome all to post a rating and review (referral links will be deleted) of their experiences here - www.MiningContracts.com/Lunamine

[crk]

the service is 24x7? i've been reading about what you offer but i can't find anywhere if you offer that kind of warranty to your customers..

[crk]

Cool! You should put that on your FAQ section :-).

I'm gonna buy a 100gh/s contract to see how it works and then make a final decision (i honestly want to buy a 1th/s contract :-p)

Cheers!

[btcnoodle]

I can report a positive experience with them. Here's my sequence of events for anyone considering a purchase;

- Bought 100gh as a test. Transaction went through in a timely manner. I let this run for a day or two then requested my first payout. I got the payout a few hours after the request.
- After completing the 'test' purchase I bought another 400 gh which also went through without any problems.
- Having the confidence of two purchases and a payout I suggested the service to my clients who all purchased substantial amounts in the range of multiple th each.
- Referral program showed the purchases made by my clients as soon as they did it. They all report smooth sailing as well. I got a substantial referral payout on schedule.

Summary: I give these guys a gold star for their new service. As far as I can tell they are doing what they said they would and all in a timely manner. They have been responsive to inquiries and seem to be doing a genuine job of trying to make their business a success. I have gotten payouts in the amounts I was expecting for both mining and the referral program and my clients are happy they were able to dump cex.io and triple their mining power by simply switching to lunamine.

Bravo Zulu

[FRNZ]

me too. only positive things I can say about their service. started out by posting their referral on facebook and I got two sales. withdrawals were smooth so I decided to put some spare money of mine in and bought 200 GH/s. their helpful and professional support was one of the main reasons I decided to trust them with my own money.

[Armed]

Doesn't look like my signature is attracting customers anymore!
Oh well.

You should -really- make a separate signup system for your website btw. Having to order a contract probably makes a lot of people uncomfortable and I would guess it makes you have to cancel a lot of unpaid orders.

[lunamine]

Thank you for your good words!

Don't worry - there are worse days and there are better days.

We will be working on both hardware and website during the weekend and perhaps a little more, so there will be delays. There is a lot of work to do, hopefully you guys will understand.

If your order is not accepted within 2 hours, we will compensate for the coins that you could've mined.

Best regards,
lunamine

[cozie]

sorry guys i still don't understand how many month of mining is "Lifetime validity"
lunamine have 9.6$/month fee x 100 gh/s, so assume 160$/9.6$=~16 month of mining? is correct?

thanks for your help

[infested999]

sorry guys i still don't understand how many month of mining is "Lifetime validity"
lunamine have 9.6$/month fee x 100 gh/s, so assume 160$/9.6$=~16 month of mining? is correct?

thanks for your help

According to OP, lunamine will stop mining when the cost of electricity is greater than the profit made from the miners.

[lunamine]

New features:

• Account balance gets updated hourly instead of daily now
• You can now add hashrate right from dashboard, minimum: 10 GH/s
• You can now reinvest your account balance: minimum 1 GH/s

More coming soon.

New slots for signature advertising incoming! You are welcome to apply https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686826.0

[chaosPT]

sorry guys i still don't understand how many month of mining is "Lifetime validity"
lunamine have 9.6$/month fee x 100 gh/s, so assume 160$/9.6$=~16 month of mining? is correct?

thanks for your help

According to OP, lunamine will stop mining when the cost of electricity is greater than the profit made from the miners.

The withdrawal are not instant ?

And the contract is for 5 year correct what if they stop mining before 5 year

[lunamine]

sorry guys i still don't understand how many month of mining is "Lifetime validity"
lunamine have 9.6$/month fee x 100 gh/s, so assume 160$/9.6$=~16 month of mining? is correct?

thanks for your help

According to OP, lunamine will stop mining when the cost of electricity is greater than the profit made from the miners.

The withdrawal are not instant ?

And the contract is for 5 year correct what if they stop mining before 5 year

?

You sir are collecting posts in the wrong thread. We mine until mined bitcoins don't cover the costs, as infested999 said.

[infested999]

sorry guys i still don't understand how many month of mining is "Lifetime validity"
lunamine have 9.6$/month fee x 100 gh/s, so assume 160$/9.6$=~16 month of mining? is correct?

thanks for your help

According to OP, lunamine will stop mining when the cost of electricity is greater than the profit made from the miners.

The withdrawal are not instant ?

And the contract is for 5 year correct what if they stop mining before 5 year

The withdrawal has a delay of up to 24 hours to make sure that there is no fraud. It tells you this when you withdraw.

Lunamine never mentioned a number of years. You are getting the number 5 from some other company and confusing it here.

[RedhatCAT]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

Last increase was only 3% but this next will probably be around 17%.  (my guess)

difficulty increases have been averaging around 20-25% over the past several months with only the last one anywhere below that range. I haven't seen any other evidence of the rate difficulty increases will decrease

[btcnoodle]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent?  

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

Last increase was only 3% but this next will probably be around 17%.  (my guess)

difficulty increases have been averaging around 20-25% over the past several months with only the last one anywhere below that range. I haven't seen any other evidence of the rate difficulty increases will decrease

I think this chart is the best indicator of where the difficulty is going. It shows the network growth in percentage per day. The important part is that you can see we are a little over 1%/day now. This is an obvious downward trend because we're over the initial ASIC wave. I expect this to continue to taper down until it falls in line with Moore's law where it should stabilize.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png

[lunamine]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

Last increase was only 3% but this next will probably be around 17%.  (my guess)

difficulty increases have been averaging around 20-25% over the past several months with only the last one anywhere below that range. I haven't seen any other evidence of the rate difficulty increases will decrease

A week ago I calculated this years average difficulty increase and it was 18%. Anyway, we are almost ready to lower the maintenance fee to about $0.002 - $0.0025 per day per GH/s depending on a few variables. This should have a noticeably positive effect on ROI. These changes will also be effective for all contracts, regardless of date of purchase.

[Joca97]

@lunamine

question:do you have only big contracts not little as 1 ghs or do you only have big contracts that cost 0.25BTC and up ?

[jjc326]

I was posting on the different thread about this - can someone figure out exactly what the current breakeven rate is?  I mean, if I buy a standard 100 gh/s contract, will I at least break even if the price of BTC stays the same as now? and how long will it take?  I found a calculator that shows how much I can expect to get in revenue but how do your fees factor into that?  Thanks.

Edit:  I do see it says lifetime validity but me, as a newb, did not understand what that meant until I came looking at this thread.

Break-even is if the difficulty increase every 2016 block (difficulty change) is less than 17.25%

Do you mean if I pay $100 for the 10 ghs I will break even if the next increase is less than 17.25 percent? 

You will break even if the average increase until you break even is less than 17.25%

Last increase was only 3% but this next will probably be around 17%.  (my guess)

difficulty increases have been averaging around 20-25% over the past several months with only the last one anywhere below that range. I haven't seen any other evidence of the rate difficulty increases will decrease

A week ago I calculated this years average difficulty increase and it was 18%. Anyway, we are almost ready to lower the maintenance fee to about $0.002 - $0.0025 per day per GH/s depending on a few variables. This should have a noticeably positive effect on ROI. These changes will also be effective for all contracts, regardless of date of purchase.

Wow you mean you're going to actually make people who already bought a contract pay less?  See that's the responsive and honest stuff you don't expect from a Bitcoin business.

To answer the previous poster, it looks like it's in 100 Gh/s increments.  So you can buy more than 1 contract at a time.  100 looks like the minimum.

[lunamine]

Yeah, starting from 100 GH/s for new customers.

[sandykho47]

Actually, i want to invest my BTC at lunamine.com
too bad i don't have much BTC. So i invest on other cloud mining

How about you release 10 GH/s at $17 or 25 GH/s at $41
i think it's useful for people like me

And what does Lifetime validity mean ? does that mean the contract is forever 

[lunamine]

And what does Lifetime validity mean ? does that mean the contract is forever 

No, contracts are run until they are no longer profitable meaning until mined bitcoins don't cover the electricity & maintenance costs ($0.0032 per GH/s a day).

[Didldak]

Meaning that contracts will "work" until we hit around 100B difficulty? or are you going to lower fee?

[lunamine]

It's hard to tell right now where it will stop because the maintenance & electricity fee will be lowered significantly. But yeah, it won't go forever obviously

We have been working on the new hardware for all the last week - there are still some slight cooling issues but the efficiency is remarkable. All payouts have been strong and it's good to hear that everyone seems happy with our services. We're trying as hard as we can for you guys.

[forensick]

i have for several days same number of mined btc, is there any trouble?

[infested999]

Meaning that contracts will "work" until we hit around 100B difficulty? or are you going to lower fee?

Important is that they run until they are no longer profitable (i.e. your income is 0)

[jjc326]

It's hard to tell right now where it will stop because the maintenance & electricity fee will be lowered significantly. But yeah, it won't go forever obviously

We have been working on the new hardware for all the last week - there are still some slight cooling issues but the efficiency is remarkable. All payouts have been strong and it's good to hear that everyone seems happy with our services. We're trying as hard as we can for you guys.

So you're saying when you buy a contract you can assume the fee will be lowered.  Is this a one time lowering of the fee or do you anticipate with advancements there could be multiple rounds of lowering the fee?

[Didldak]

Well logical thing is that they are anticipating better hardware - like spoondolines tech 6Th/s miner which drains only 2500W. Even S3 has pretty nice ratio about 0.9W/Gh/s, so as long as the fee reflects power consumption, it will get lowered

[lunamine]

i have for several days same number of mined btc, is there any trouble?

Let me know your account email here, in PM or by email. I will check this case to see why is that. There's no trouble and as far as I know - we have no other reports of such issue.

[lunamine]

It's hard to tell right now where it will stop because the maintenance & electricity fee will be lowered significantly. But yeah, it won't go forever obviously

We have been working on the new hardware for all the last week - there are still some slight cooling issues but the efficiency is remarkable. All payouts have been strong and it's good to hear that everyone seems happy with our services. We're trying as hard as we can for you guys.

So you're saying when you buy a contract you can assume the fee will be lowered.  Is this a one time lowering of the fee or do you anticipate with advancements there could be multiple rounds of lowering the fee?

That is both because of new hardware and a better deal on energy supply. Currently we are sitting at a very standard discount on electricity that most regular businesses get. However, our city Luleå supports data centers and all the tech businesses and we are in final talks of a higher discount. Close to that what Facebook's data center is getting (Facebook built their first data center in Europe in Luleå and currently they are building their third one in Europe, also in our city Luleå.

[crk]

i just sent you the BTCs to start a 100GHs contract.. lets see how this system works out .

minutes after i sent you the coins you decrease the cost of the contracts  

[kingscrown]

Your service got to my review of Mining rigs and Cloud hashing - http://fuk.io/cloud-hashing-and-rig-renting-services-review

[lunamine]

Your service got to my review of Mining rigs and Cloud hashing - http://fuk.io/cloud-hashing-and-rig-renting-services-review

Thanks!

Important to note that we mine until it is no longer profitable meaning until the mined coins don't cover the costs which are $0.0032. The costs are variable and will go down, so there is no set time when the mining stops - it can go quite long, depends on the technological advancements (efficiency of hardware we will acquire/develop in future).

[crk]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

[kingscrown]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Balance: 0.00279610 BTC
Active hashrate: 100 GH/s

less than 48h of mining i think

[Muhammed Zakir]

I saw that you stopped 10 GHs trial for new persons. I know it is hard to pay them the BTC they get from 10 GHs but it was good for them to know how the site works. I kindly request you to make a demo account. So that you don't want to pay them though they can check the site. I hope you will look forward about it.
Kindly,
      MZ

[lunamine]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Not sure what do you mean.. There is total hashrate on the dashboard. Or did you mean something else?

Btw, you can pay 10% less. We should have announced the price drop before. Just let us know when you do that.

[lunamine]

I saw that you stopped 10 GHs trial for new persons. I know it is hard to pay them the BTC they get from 10 GHs but it was good for them to know how the site works. I kindly request you to make a demo account. So that you don't want to pay them though they can check the site. I hope you will look forward about it.
Kindly,
      MZ

We had exactly that - people would only paid the free trial coins only if they choose to purchase our actual contracts - there is a $6 withdrawal limit. However, there were hundreds of people signing up and a lot of them were asking for withdrawals. The free trial was misunderstood by people and continuing free trials would result in clogged up communications on our side and disappointment on customer side.

We'll implement seperate sign-ups soon, that should serve the purpose, also make it easier to sign up to get a referral link.

[crk]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Not sure what do you mean.. There is total hashrate on the dashboard. Or did you mean something else?

Btw, you can pay 10% less. We should have announced the price drop before. Just let us know when you do that.

I mean the total hashrate of your system.. Because you have a lifetime validity on your contract ppl would get more confidence from you seeing that the hashrate is constantly increasing

[ddalex]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Not sure what do you mean.. There is total hashrate on the dashboard. Or did you mean something else?

I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

[crk]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Not sure what do you mean.. There is total hashrate on the dashboard. Or did you mean something else?

I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

that's exactly what i meant with my last post.. i have 200GH/s and planning to add more but i need (as we all do) more information about the hardware and mining pool they are using

[ejinte]

After looking around a bit I can tell you that this guys are not the cheapest available

[bitbaby]

So for someone who has never mined, cloud or otherwise, how much would one need to invest to earn around 0.2 BTC a month? Or it cannot be determined?

[ejinte]

So for someone who has never mined, cloud or otherwise, how much would one need to invest to earn around 0.2 BTC a month? Or it cannot be determined?

At this difficulty you need about 250GHz to mine 0.2BTC in one month. Though the difficulty will drop and next month you'll get less. Invest wisely.

Here is one calculator: https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

[bitbaby]

So for someone who has never mined, cloud or otherwise, how much would one need to invest to earn around 0.2 BTC a month? Or it cannot be determined?

At this difficulty you need about 250GHz to mine 0.2BTC in one month. Though the difficulty will drop and next month you'll get less. Invest wisely.

Here is one calculator: https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

That's a nifty tool. So 250GHz at 0.0025 would cost me 0.625 to make 0.2 a month, that doesn't sound too bad but it is not assured right?

[ejinte]

So for someone who has never mined, cloud or otherwise, how much would one need to invest to earn around 0.2 BTC a month? Or it cannot be determined?

At this difficulty you need about 250GHz to mine 0.2BTC in one month. Though the difficulty will drop and next month you'll get less. Invest wisely.

Here is one calculator: https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

That's a nifty tool. So 250GHz at 0.0025 would cost me 0.625 to make 0.2 a month, that doesn't sound too bad but it is not assured right?

Exactly because the mining difficulty might go up (it will go up!!) and the question is, will you get your money back and hopefully some profit before you're mining dust? If you google bitcoin mining calculators you'll find several calculators and can try to make your own judgement. But every month you'll make less and less for the same amount of GHz.

[crk]

Withdraw every 14 days? I believe you are going to improve this

[whisper]

It  would be great if you post the actual mining hash rate somewhere in the website.. I'm about to buy another 100gh/s order but i should get a rebate because i paid $10 more in the 1st one xD

Not sure what do you mean.. There is total hashrate on the dashboard. Or did you mean something else?

I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

that's exactly what i meant with my last post.. i have 200GH/s and planning to add more but i need (as we all do) more information about the hardware and mining pool they are using

Where is OP with answers?

[crk]

i'm about to buy 2 TH/s but first i want to get a little more information about your system.. it's weird that lunamine answer some question in other threads but not in this one.

so far i have no complaints about them.. the mining have been running smooth and the dashboard is getting information almost in real time

[lunamine]

Withdraw every 14 days? I believe you are going to improve this

Old information - it has already been improved. Withdrawals can be made on-demand

i'm about to buy 2 TH/s but first i want to get a little more information about your system.. it's weird that lunamine answer some question in other threads but not in this one.

so far i have no complaints about them.. the mining have been running smooth and the dashboard is getting information almost in real time

I'll read the posts, haven't read this thread since the last reply.

[lunamine]

I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

Sure, it is Timmermansgatan 16, Luleå

All the other questions do not serve as proofs. We have been thinking of a secure way to show we are an actual mining operation. Honestly - all of the other answers can be made up. By giving away too much information we are putting a much larger operation than lunamine at risk. That being said - people who want to be 100% sure can meet us in person. In fact, there is one such person who claimed to have booked a trip to Luleå on August 10th - not sure how serious that is but we'll be welcoming them.

What exactly do you mean with total hashrate? Hashrate that we have sold through lunamine or hashrate that can be allocated to lunamine or total hashrate of the whole operation? lunamine is a small part of a larger operation (in which not all partners are interested in renting out hashing power) - whole operation runs over 200 TH/s. We do not have our own mining pool, we split our hashrate over various pools, none of them being GHash.io (unlike some of our competitors).

[jjc326]

Bravo for not sending any hashrate to Ghash.IO.

What about some sort of "live stream" from your mining base, where you're located and can state the date, or have a copy of today's newspaper or something?  You wouldn't have to run the stream long at all, and maybe there is a way you can not give away too much about your business/plan based on where you put the camera or something like that.

[crk]

Bravo for not sending any hashrate to Ghash.IO.

What about some sort of "live stream" from your mining base, where you're located and can state the date, or have a copy of today's newspaper or something?  You wouldn't have to run the stream long at all, and maybe there is a way you can not give away too much about your business/plan based on where you put the camera or something like that.

Exactly!

As i said.. I have no complaints (so far) about your system and i'm planning to add more hashes to lunamine..

If you put somewhere into your websitr the actual hashrate of your system will give more confidence to your actual customers and for futere investors (checkout pbmining for example)

[dyask]

I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

Sure, it is Timmermansgatan 16, Luleå

All the other questions do not serve as proofs. We have been thinking of a secure way to show we are an actual mining operation. Honestly - all of the other answers can be made up. By giving away too much information we are putting a much larger operation than lunamine at risk. That being said - people who want to be 100% sure can meet us in person. In fact, there is one such person who claimed to have booked a trip to Luleå on August 10th - not sure how serious that is but we'll be welcoming them.

What exactly do you mean with total hashrate? Hashrate that we have sold through lunamine or hashrate that can be allocated to lunamine or total hashrate of the whole operation? lunamine is a small part of a larger operation (in which not all partners are interested in renting out hashing power) - whole operation runs over 200 TH/s. We do not have our own mining pool, we split our hashrate over various pools, none of them being GHash.io (unlike some of our competitors).

Just post your wallet address where you receive the mining awards.   You can prove it is your wallet by creating a transaction of a predetermined size and time.   

[Didldak]

or you can just sign a message by that address lol..

[crk]

We only want more information to get some confidence and know what we are getting into :-)

[Didldak]

Well maybe they are not mining. You can just do something like.. get money from people, invest it on bitcoin-trader.biz (around 1% daily payots). Yeah its risky, but everything is anonymous..  So that's that..

[crk]

i just sent you the payment for 1TH/s contract.. plz activate it fast

[Baitty]

i just sent you the payment for 1TH/s contract.. plz activate it fast

Has it been activated yet? any review?

[crk]

i just sent you the payment for 1TH/s contract.. plz activate it fast

Has it been activated yet? any review?

Yep! Until now i have mined 0.02165899 in a day and a few hours.. It's is a little least than what i expected but maybe i made a bad calculation

[jarif]

I have a pending Withdrawal, and a pending order for 197 Ghash/s. I can't pay the new order before I get the BTC from the withdrawal...

Guess I have to wait till monday, people not working on sundays....

(lunamine account: koppimopo)

[umairsaleem010]

contacts remains till the end of the life or ?

[jarif]

contacts remains till the end of the life or ?

They remain as long as they mine worth their electricity.

Would be good to know their miner's consumption in watts per Ghash.

[xstr8guy]

I have a pending Withdrawal, and a pending order for 197 Ghash/s. I can't pay the new order before I get the BTC from the withdrawal...

Guess I have to wait till monday, people not working on sundays....

(lunamine account: koppimopo)

No need to withdraw if you're just wanting to buy more hash. There is a "reinvest" option in the admin.

[infested999]

Well maybe they are not mining. You can just do something like.. get money from people, invest it on bitcoin-trader.biz (around 1% daily payots). Yeah its risky, but everything is anonymous..  So that's that..

Just as likely as bitcoin-trader or whatever you linked to is actually investing their customers Bitcoin into Lunamine and paying them the 1% from the Lunamine commissions.

[jarif]

I have a pending Withdrawal, and a pending order for 197 Ghash/s. I can't pay the new order before I get the BTC from the withdrawal...

Guess I have to wait till monday, people not working on sundays....

(lunamine account: koppimopo)

No need to withdraw if you're just wanting to buy my hash. There is a "reinvest" option in the admin.

I just decided that reinvesting does not bring any benefits, and made a new order using BTC from other sources. And paid that too already. That bit larger pending order I will never finish.

(The BTC I used was mostly from a competitor service, and those I will reinvest to lunamine allright).

[ddalex]

User: lunamine: Last Active: August 02, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
I hope you didn't dissapear!
I and many others have demanded withdrawing since more than 48 hours!
How we can trust you now?

[Muhammed Zakir]

User: lunamine: Last Active: August 02, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
I hope you didn't dissapear!
I and many others have demanded withdrawing since more than 48 hours!
How we can trust you now?

I think he is too busy doing his works. You can check sig campaign, to consume his time he extended the period oft he contract of last enrolled users. Anyway, I think we can trust him as he paid correctly.

Kindly,
      MZ

[jarif]

I just received my withdrawal. Yay! 

[crk]

I just received my withdrawal. Yay! 

me 2 xD

[whisper]

I just received my withdrawal. Yay! 

me 2 xD

Lucky you!

[crk]

I just received my withdrawal. Yay! 

me 2 xD

Lucky you!

today i've made another withdraw.. i will tell you as soon as i receive it

[lunamine]

We haven't disappeared - no worries about that Had a little misunderstanding with hosting, they suspended our account for 10 minutes. Some customers thought it's their account that's suspended  but yeah - the problem has been resolved.

[atl2010]

I bought a 100 GH/s mining contract., this is running for a little more than 60 hours, I got 0.00433934 BTC, with the current diff I should have got around that 0.006710275. Those are very bad numbers. I am waiting a refund

F.Y.I. I bought another 100 GH/s mining contract at PBMining and I am got 0.006698 in the same period of time.

[infested999]

I bought a 100 GH/s mining contract., this is running for a little more than 60 hours, I got 0.00433934 BTC, with the current diff I should have got around that 0.006710275. Those are very bad numbers. I am waiting a refund

F.Y.I. I bought another 100 GH/s mining contract at PBMining and I am got 0.006698 in the same period of time.

Maybe the balance updates every 24 hours and your current balance is an old number?

[atl2010]

I bought a 100 GH/s mining contract., this is running for a little more than 60 hours, I got 0.00433934 BTC, with the current diff I should have got around that 0.006710275. Those are very bad numbers. I am waiting a refund

F.Y.I. I bought another 100 GH/s mining contract at PBMining and I am got 0.006698 in the same period of time.

Maybe the balance updates every 24 hours and your current balance is an old number?

I am not sure, but I have noticed that the balance change around every hour.

I just check and the balanced raised to 0.00456301 (after almost 65 hours)

[infested999]

100 GH/s at 18736441558.3 difficulty = 0.00268411 BTC / 24 hours

= 0.00011183791 BTC / hour

= 0.006710275 BTC / 60 hours

[jjc326]

Lunamine should come on with an explanation for the bad numbers.  But after only 60 hours couldn't it be variance?

[xstr8guy]

Lunamine should come on with an explanation for the bad numbers.  But after only 60 hours couldn't it be variance?

I agree, it most certainly could be variance. If Lunamine is mining on pools, as they say they do, the pools they use may have just had some bad luck.

That's precisely the thing that makes me nervous about PBMining, they pay out like there's no variance. And if someone's actually mining, there is going to variance due to luck.

Pools also have a "charge up" period where you don't start getting paid until shifts complete or blocks are confirmed. That can take up to a day to start getting paid out by the pool. That is to prevent pool hopping.

[lunamine]

In my opinion it is a combination of three things:

1) Delayed order confirmation (for example order was made when our working day ended so a couple hours there)
2) Variance (as you know you cannot mine every single block, however we compensate for certain amount of bad luck by crediting your balance from our own storage before the coins are actually mined - this is our so called insurance against variance - to prevent misunderstandings like this)
3) Around 0.001 would be consumed in electricity (our miners actually consume electricity (just a fact: over 5 years they would consume 3 times the contract cost))

I will be able to do the refund tomorrow - not in the office currently. Hope that's fine by you!

Best regards,
lunamine

[jjc326]

In my opinion it is a combination of three things:

1) Delayed order confirmation (for example order was made when our working day ended so a couple hours there)
2) Variance (as you know you cannot mine every single block, however we compensate for certain amount of bad luck by crediting your balance from our own storage before the coins are actually mined - this is our so called insurance against variance - to prevent misunderstandings like this)
3) Around 0.001 would be consumed in electricity (our miners actually consume electricity (just a fact: over 5 years they would consume 3 times the contract cost))

I will be able to do the refund tomorrow - not in the office currently. Hope that's fine by you!

Best regards,
lunamine

Wow nice customer service again, I'm really surprised you're giving a refund.

I tried to engage in some talk on the PBmining thread, seriously just looking a the numbers etc. and my posts are getting deleted there.  What a shame PBmining can't even converse with someone...

[lunamine]

The order in question has been refunded.

Even if the reasons customer asks for a refund are questionable - we try to keep our word. This one took a little longer, sorry for that 

[jack3rror]

Just to say that I asked for a withdraw (0.020btcs) there is 48h and 23m - still nothing

[jjc326]

Just to say that I asked for a withdraw (0.020btcs) there is 48h and 23m - still nothing

Lunamine signature campaign has not paid out either. These are the types of thing a site site can't afford to do to lose credibility.

[lunamine]

Everything may be slightly delayed because we are dealing with an attack and blackmail. Can't go in details at the moment.

Cannot say for sure when the withdrawals will be made but they of course will be made.

[tastaturix]

In absence of valid irrefutable proof, this cloud "mining operation" could very well be just another HYIP, as PB Mining and many others, that prey upon the gullible, the greedy and the uninformed.

Bear with me a few more minutes...
I'll venture a little on the hypothetical realm.

Let's say, for the argument's sake, one can identify a considerably big market in which the "investors" are able and willing to put down perfectly good money today and declare themselves happy to pay them back whatever chunk of their own money whenever they desire, the only limit being the rate of return that is linked to an arbitrary established and generally accepted algorithm.
Rate of repayment is the mining rate of a so called cloud mining operation that gives back less and less money every day because that's what's expected from it, as difficulty rises.
Wait a minute...
This is every ponzi scheme's manager's wet dream.
Not only you don't have to pay back all the money to all the people, but they are perfectly happy to accept the fact that their investment is depreciating by the day and your operation has a continuous inflow of capital due to the fact that the dragon needs feeding.
Every investor is directly motivated to feed the cow periodically if they want it to produce this digital milk.

Until now, all cloud "mining operations" hit all these marks.
The difficulty resides in differentiating between the ones that do in fact mine and the ones that just say they do.
Blockchain analysis could, in time, tell us if in fact the revenue stream of an investor is really fed by a mining operation and where is that operation situated, or how far down the chain is the generated block.

On the other hand, consider how messed up is this: the cloud mining operators that have a problem with disclosing relevant and convincing info about their whereabouts, their equipment, their pools, are not using the most effective tools they have to gain and keep  the very trust their business model rely on.

Saying I'm a farmer that produces tomatoes when I'm selling said tomatoes to a ketchup factory does not make me a farmer.
I could be the farmer.
I could be the farmer's son.
I could be the farmer's neighbor.
I could be the driver that the farmer sent to the market.
I could be the wholesaler that bought the tomatoes from the said driver.
...and so on...
For the ketchup factory does not really matter as long as they get their tomatoes.
When the stream stops, all hell breaks loose because no one bothered to ask how reliable is that stream.
No one cared where the farm is because they were selling it at the factory's gate.
No one wondered what happens when there's ice on the road because the deliveries were always on time.
No one asked how old, how healthy or how sane the farmer was despite the fact that the entire operation relied on that...

The disconnect happens even faster in the digital world.

Let's make a little social-economic experiment.
It's success will depend only on the trust the investors will have in the manager and his power of persuasion.
The manager could put up a site, with 2FA and SSL and all that jazz, if necessary.
One bitcoin address will be posted.
Anyone can send to that address any amount they want, larger amounts will be encouraged, if not mandatory.
For that amount you will get a receipt that says you own mining capacity in my mining farm.
That receipt is nothing but the proof that I've got your money.
The contract says I'll give you back some money as you need it back if you ask me nicely.
The same contract says you will NEVER BE ABLE TO GET ALL YOUR MONEY AT ONCE.
There, also says you will NEVER BE ABLE TO WITHDRAW IN ONE DAY MORE THAN the daily percentage the difficulty says you can virtually mine with your virtually owned virtual mining capacity.
I take no risks.
I get all your money.
I can pull the plug whenever I want because some day my electricity bill may prove the operation is "unprofitable".

That about sums it all up, doesn't it?!?

Now, let's explore a little the incentive aspect of these cloud shrouded mining operators.
Let's say I have somehow managed to buy a mining rig and, for scaling the operation, I need money, lots of them and fast.
Now I am plugging it in and I'm currently mining with it.
I see that mining rig producing some value after I factor in the operating costs.
How can I increase the daily profit?
If I sell the value the rig produces, I get exactly what that rig has produced.
If I sell the mining power of that rig, I can charge any amount the market will sustain.
So, what can stop me from selling GHS to the ones that have no mining rigs of their own?
What can motivate me to sell them my mining power instead of the value that mining power produces?

Does any of you think the cloud mining operators have racks of equipment unplugged and idle waiting for any of you to pop up with $50 to make them happy?!?
The rigs are online 24/7, whether their mining for you or for the operators.
If they mine for you, they are getting more money than if they would mine for them.

Only the ones that have personally seen a data center at least once in their lives can begin to fathom the complexity involved in such a operation at such a scale it would be profitable to mine or sell mining capacity at a moment's notice to anyone in the world.
Those who are capable of doing it, are already doing it.

My point is that for me it's impossible to believe that a newcomer in this market could simultaneously engage in the race to the bottom we see in terms of BTC/GHS pricing and be profitable at the same time scaling up a real cloud mining operation and all it is expected in terms of hosting, cooling, securing such a operation, but, somehow shy away from disclosing info about where, who and how are they doing it.

I doubt that being skeptic hurt more people than being brave or dauntless.
Some of us are still here because there was a time when a few of us heard some strange noises coming from outside the cave and didn't rush out to see what's what when they did not have all the necessary tools and know-how. I'd like to believe those were the skeptics. They asked the right questions at the right time and lived to tell the whole story.
I'm sure there are Genesis related stories, as well, but I assume those are for another crowd.

Someone bothered to search on street view the neighborhood...
Few piled on that.
All is now buried under "more relevant matters", leaving the first real and the most important things unanswered.
Where's this wonderful tomato farm?
How exactly does the vines look in the daylight?
Who's working there every day?

Thinking is allowed, encouraged, mandatory even.

[jjc326]

Can you post or show a link to the street view information again?  I agree with some of your points now this delay in payments and sig campaign payments doesn't help a new site gain trust.

[jack3rror]

Ok, thats why google dereferenced you. Shut down the server, continue mining operations. Buy another domain. another server, DDNS protection, cloudflare or anything else, Nether give anything, and nether play in places you are irresponsible. Recode the entire website. And say to us if our passwords are compromised, waiting for you to have a good issue.

[xstr8guy]

Yeah, it's Sunday but it sure would be nice to get an update on what's going on. Did I make a huge mistake buying 2THs here?

[crk]

At least they should say when are they specting to pay.

[jack3rror]

At least.

[infested999]

In absence of valid irrefutable proof, this cloud "mining operation" could very well be just another HYIP, as PB Mining and many others, that prey upon the gullible, the greedy and the uninformed.

Technically OP doesn't have to be a scammer. He can just pay his users the correct amount that the hypothetical "miners" would produce and he would still make a profit. The miners get the returns they are supposed to get and OP can stay in business forever, everybody "wins".

[whisper]

So OP is dead?

[crk]

Lunamine should say something to calm us down 

[jjc326]

I just checked their site and blog and no, there's nothing. Folks who have bought hashing, is your balance increasing like it normally does?  No withdrawals though right?  It's so weird, why wouldn't they at least post an update?

[jarif]

Balances are increasing normally. That's just the way they work.

[dekodoge]

Lunamine 
Last Active:   August 10, 2014, 11:14:08 AM

[crk]

i'm starting to get scared

[jjc326]

Balances are increasing normally. That's just the way they work.

Yes I wanted to check on balances increasing, but what about withdrawals?  On the last page someone said they had a pending withdrawal and weren't getting it.  PLus not getting paid for the sig campaign, it's not good...

[odlal]

Balances are increasing normally. That's just the way they work.

Yes I wanted to check on balances increasing, but what about withdrawals?  On the last page someone said they had a pending withdrawal and weren't getting it.  PLus not getting paid for the sig campaign, it's not good...

No it doesn't look good ... taking things at face value if it is a serious case of Blackmail then I'd imagine the Swedish police could be involved by now ?

BTW I'd put in for an account withdrawal at Lunamine last Friday and then by the Sunday I'd noticed the posts from Lunamine here saying there was going to be a delay  ... so to answer your question : My withdrawal is still Pending unfortunately.

Sigh !

[rogermax]

I pay for 100Gh LAST FRIDAY... still waiting to my gigahashes , they don´t answer support mails, not updated account.... Not a clue about what´s next... so far my purchase experience w/ this site is awfull....

I´ll hope that´s not well done scam

[jarif]

I pay for 100Gh LAST FRIDAY... still waiting to my gigahashes , they don´t answer support mails, not updated account.... Not a clue about what´s next... so far my purchase experience w/ this site is awfull....

I´ll hope that´s not well done scam

What makes you think it it well done? I think it is not a scam because it is so poorly implemented. Any scammer can do better than that, it must be genuine.

[jjc326]

I pay for 100Gh LAST FRIDAY... still waiting to my gigahashes , they don´t answer support mails, not updated account.... Not a clue about what´s next... so far my purchase experience w/ this site is awfull....

I´ll hope that´s not well done scam

What makes you think it it well done? I think it is not a scam because it is so poorly implemented. Any scammer can do better than that, it must be genuine.

But what would the excuse be?  The only conceivable legitimate excuse I could see is if they were being blackmailed and the police told lunamine don't do anything, don't post on the forum, don't talk to anyone about it. But it can't go on forever, we need answers. I know if I bought and paid for hash and haven't heard anything is be pissed and emailing them very day, maybe even contacting police because we know where they are from.

[oliversl]

So, if I pay for the 100Ghs, can I ask for a refund o is like buying a mining rig? I would like to hash for 1 month and then sell or refund those 100Ghs.

[d00d]

I have 600 GH
Confirm the delay of payments.
One of my payments did not come after 48 hours.
Distinguished representative of a question for you, when payments will be made in time?
Or make automatic payments once a week or 24 hours!
I was thinking of doing more investment.
But now I'm confused.

[lunamine]

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.

Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

[dekodoge]

Just stick cloudflare on your sites like pbmining do.

[d00d]

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.

Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

I have not received a letter.
Well expect and hope for improvement.

[Acidyo]

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.

Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

I have not received a letter.
Well expect and hope for improvement.

I haven't received one either, getting a little worried over here. Hope to hear from lunamine soon again.

[xstr8guy]

2THs+ here and no email. 

[jack3rror]

no mail at all

[jarif]

I have not received any mail either.

[dekodoge]

looking a bit shady now isn't it.

[jack3rror]

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.

Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

Good to see U. Where is the new site ? https enabled + 2fa ready + cloudflare is a minimum

[manureal21]

I have not received mail with the new page. Thank you.

[dekodoge]

and now www.lunamine.com is offline

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lunamine.com

[jarif]

and now www.lunamine.com is offline

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lunamine.com

Apparently they have erected the service in some other temporary address (in order to evade the attack), but no one knows where...

[odlal]

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.

Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

Thanks for the update

I'm presuming your website is down now (as of 11:40 GMT) whilst you make whatever necessary changes are required ?

BTW I haven't received any communication in regards to a new URL but for now I'm going to assume it's because you're working through several days of backlog !

Good Luck  

[crk]

1230ghs and no email :-(

[Acidyo]

If no one has received an email about the new site even though they stated that they have sent it off. This doesn't look too good.

[guneroos]

help me. to lunamine.com

[dekodoge]

lunamine.com

Domain Name: LUNAMINE.COM
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: NS1.LINK.NET
   Name Server: NS2.LINK.NET
   Status: ok
   Updated Date: 13-aug-2014
   Creation Date: 30-jun-2014
   Expiration Date: 30-jun-2015

root ns pointing to link.net.

LINKdotNET Headquarter - Cairo , Egypt
Address   :   77 Misr Helwan Agricultural Road, Maadi 11431 Cairo, Egypt.
Email   :   info@link.net
Telephone   :   (202) 2 76 86 500
Fax   :   (202) 2 76 86 555
Support   :   16333
Sales   :   16333
LINKdotNET - Alexandria, Egypt
Address:   37 D Ismail Serry St. Behind Zahran School Smouha   Telephone:   03 4262611-3
LINKdotNET, Mansoura, Egypt
Address:   El Yamama Building, 5 Husni Mobarak St, El Mashaya, 35111 Mansoura   Telephone:   0502360637
0502360638
0502360640
Fax:   0502360639


bye bye domain.

[roslinpl]

Be aware ---- investing into lunamine.com might be dangerous  --- they ran sig campaign and didn't paid to sig sellers.

Lunamine is not really reliable at the moment.


Regards.

[odlal]

lunamine.com

Domain Name: LUNAMINE.COM
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: NS1.LINK.NET
   Name Server: NS2.LINK.NET
   Status: ok
   Updated Date: 13-aug-2014
   Creation Date: 30-jun-2014
   Expiration Date: 30-jun-2015

root ns pointing to link.net.

LINKdotNET Headquarter - Cairo , Egypt
Address   :   77 Misr Helwan Agricultural Road, Maadi 11431 Cairo, Egypt.
Email   :   info@link.net
Telephone   :   (202) 2 76 86 500
Fax   :   (202) 2 76 86 555
Support   :   16333
Sales   :   16333
LINKdotNET - Alexandria, Egypt
Address:   37 D Ismail Serry St. Behind Zahran School Smouha   Telephone:   03 4262611-3
LINKdotNET, Mansoura, Egypt
Address:   El Yamama Building, 5 Husni Mobarak St, El Mashaya, 35111 Mansoura   Telephone:   0502360637
0502360638
0502360640
Fax:   0502360639


bye bye domain.

It's the uneasy feeling you get when you're waiting for something which is totally out of your control and in the hands of someone else right ?

Probably best to stop hitting refresh now and go and have a cup of tea lol !!!

[monbux]

looking a bit shady now isn't it.

Just a bit?  Check his trust summary.  He decided to say something on here, but apparently did not want to give anyone enrolled in his signature campaign any updates.  He also deleted the enrollment list.

[crk]

Domain Name: LUNAMINE.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1864919480_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2014-06-30 08:00:44Z
Creation Date: 2014-06-30 15:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-06-30 15:00:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: TIMMERMANSGATAN 16A
Registrant City: LULE??
Registrant State/Province: NA
Registrant Postal Code: 00000
Registrant Country: SE
Registrant Phone: +46.0920400200
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: TIMMERMANSGATAN 16A
Admin City: LULE??
Admin State/Province: NA
Admin Postal Code: 00000
Admin Country: SE
Admin Phone: +46.0920400200
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.5555555555
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: TIMMERMANSGATAN 16A
Tech City: LULE??
Tech State/Province: NA
Tech Postal Code: 00000
Tech Country: SE
Tech Phone: +46.0920400200
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.5555555555
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:
Name Server: DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM
Name Server: DNS2.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM
DNSSEC: unSigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/

is around here any sweden dude that can get in touch with that phone number?

[manureal21]

A buenas horas nos avisan. 


http://cryptomining-blog.com/3258-btc-and-ltc-cloud-mining-services-current-price-comparison/

[jjc326]

This is unbelievable.  I think I would expect that he would eventually send out this contact information for the new site.  What good does it do to come on here and lie about it?  Unless he's just trying to buy time to cover his tracks?  He says it will be "kept private" but guys we'd like to know what the site is once he tells you.  

Going on the sig campaign thread and deleting his post where he kept track of who he owed is TOTAL BS and obvious signs that he's trying to cover his tracks.

Good job on doxxing him so far, keep it up.

He owes us sig campaign members, it's got to be like less than 1 BTC and we contributed to getting customers for lunamine.  I don't care that there is no lunamine any more (and he's apparently using a new site name) but he's taking customers from lunamine which we helped build.  So we are ABSOLUTELY entitled to our payment even though lunamine is no more.

FYI, I'm only battling for .048 here but it's the principle of it.  I pity you guys with way more invested in the site.  Let's keep pressure on him, I don't care if someone with "resources" is trying to take him down, he can't treat sig campaign people and his customers like crap in the interim.

[jarif]

He says it will be "kept private" but guys we'd like to know what the site is once he tells you.  

Think again. If the site is secured "by obscurity", revealing the site here to any who asks is not a good idea. The attacker most certainly will come here and ask... It is the responsibilty of "lunamine" to keep us customers informed.

[guneroos]

what should I do.

[jarif]

Just wait. There's nothing more we can do.

[manureal21]

Si hay buen fe, ya está tardando en dar la cara y tranquilizar al personal. Si no, ya podemos darnos por estafados una vez más.

[manureal21]

http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/lunamine.com

[roslinpl]

http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/lunamine.com

There is a phone number to the owner of domain but it looks not real ...

Phone Number: 460920400200 [ CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE ]

anyone from Sweden can make a call and check it?


I found A YouTube channel which an owner is CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-OyidvoMEg - last video published on Jul 19, 2014

But don't know is that him or not ...

also FB accounts but not sure is that lunamine owner or not...
https://www.facebook.com/public/Christophe-Verweire
https://www.facebook.com/christophe.verweire

[manureal21]

Esto cada vez tiene mas carácter de estafa que otra cosa, me estoy resignando a haber perdido 200 ghs.

[dekodoge]

Esto cada vez tiene mas carácter de estafa que otra cosa, me estoy resignando a haber perdido 200 ghs.

english please. i'm sorry about your 200GH/s

[jjc326]

He says it will be "kept private" but guys we'd like to know what the site is once he tells you.  

Think again. If the site is secured "by obscurity", revealing the site here to any who asks is not a good idea. The attacker most certainly will come here and ask... It is the responsibilty of "lunamine" to keep us customers informed.

Well I understand your point but he owes us sig campaign people, it's less than 1 BTC so give me a freakin break, he's got to pay

[dekodoge]

He says it will be "kept private" but guys we'd like to know what the site is once he tells you.  

Think again. If the site is secured "by obscurity", revealing the site here to any who asks is not a good idea. The attacker most certainly will come here and ask... It is the responsibilty of "lunamine" to keep us customers informed.

Well I understand your point but he owes us sig campaign people, it's less than 1 BTC so give me a freakin break, he's got to pay

quit your bitching some people have lost a lost more than some unpaid sig fees FFS.

[ONLYfree]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

[dekodoge]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

well at this stage it looks like it.

lunamine.com SOA is borked

it seems some DNS server are still pointing to 37.61.237.213 for www and lunamine.com (is this the old hosting company)

my simple opinion is that the domain has been stolen/taken from lunamine or  domain has been changed to make it look that way.

[ONLYfree]

oh.. good.. had bad feelings about it.

[jjc326]

He says it will be "kept private" but guys we'd like to know what the site is once he tells you.  

Think again. If the site is secured "by obscurity", revealing the site here to any who asks is not a good idea. The attacker most certainly will come here and ask... It is the responsibilty of "lunamine" to keep us customers informed.

Well I understand your point but he owes us sig campaign people, it's less than 1 BTC so give me a freakin break, he's got to pay

quit your bitching some people have lost a lost more than some unpaid sig fees FFS.

Chill bro let's stick together, he owes everyone.  I even said in another post that it was nothing compared to the people who lost their hashing but it's the principle of it.  If I lost hashing I'd be doxxing, heck call that phone number, why hasn't anyone called yet?  what's the worst that can happen?

[dekodoge]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

[jjc326]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

I know they said they were mining out of Lulea and I think lived there too (well, at least in Sweden).  And I know his English was a little off so probably not English native speaking.

[odlal]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

well at this stage it looks like it.

lunamine.com SOA is borked

it seems some DNS server are still pointing to 37.61.237.213 for www and lunamine.com (is this the old hosting company)

my simple opinion is that the domain has been stolen/taken from lunamine or  domain has been changed to make it look that way.

Hmmm ... but for someone to change the domain record so the MX record does NOT have an IP address (like now) would involve a call to Lunamine's "Domain Hosting" company from somebody who has valid credentials which the company already has on record ?

So I don't think it's a case of the Domain being stolen/taken at all !

[Hey I could be wrong but that's how I see it currently]

[odlal]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

Why do you suggest the name of "Kurt Larsson" please ? What's your source for that because I have a different name which was already quoted above in an earlier post from "crk" ... Just curious

[jjc326]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

Why do you suggest the name of "Kurt Larsson" please ? What's your source for that because I have a different name which was already quoted above in an earlier post from "crk" ... Just curious

Wait I had the other name too, the Christophe one.  Do you think they somehow changed it to this Kurt Larsson name to try to throw everyone off after the CHristophe name got posted here?

[dekodoge]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

Why do you suggest the name of "Kurt Larsson" please ? What's your source for that because I have a different name which was already quoted above in an earlier post from "crk" ... Just curious

Wait I had the other name too, the Christophe one.  Do you think they somehow changed it to this Kurt Larsson name to try to throw everyone off after the CHristophe name got posted here?

Search for this number 0920400200 (taken from domain record)

[odlal]

Well the number in the domain record points to "Kurt Larsson"

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

Timmermansgatan 54, 972 41 Luleå, Sweden

not valid now.

Why do you suggest the name of "Kurt Larsson" please ? What's your source for that because I have a different name which was already quoted above in an earlier post from "crk" ... Just curious

Wait I had the other name too, the Christophe one.  Do you think they somehow changed it to this Kurt Larsson name to try to throw everyone off after the CHristophe name got posted here?

Search for this number 0920400200 (taken from domain record)

Please quote the URL you are using to look at Lunamine's domain record as there are several companies who offer such a service ?

[dekodoge]

any whois should show you those details.

But i took it from whats posted above in the thread.

[odlal]

any whois should show you those details.

But i took it from whats posted above in the thread.

What I mean is could you please quote the URL where YOU saw the name of "Kurt Larsson" mentioned ?

[guneroos]

oh my god.................... help me......!!

[dekodoge]

any whois should show you those details.

But i took it from whats posted above in the thread.

What I mean is could you please quote the URL where YOU saw the name of "Kurt Larsson" mentioned ?

google search (0920400200) this is phone number from domain record

Registrant Phone: +46.0920400200

details from here

http://whois.domaintools.com/lunamine.com


and you get this

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

which shows the following


Kurt Larsson
Telefonnummer: 0920-40 02 00
Timmermansgatan 54
972 41   
Luleå


that's all I have right now.

[odlal]

any whois should show you those details.

But i took it from whats posted above in the thread.

What I mean is could you please quote the URL where YOU saw the name of "Kurt Larsson" mentioned ?

google search (0920400200) this is phone number from domain record

Registrant Phone: +46.0920400200

details from here

http://whois.domaintools.com/lunamine.com


and you get this

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

which shows the following


Kurt Larsson
Telefonnummer: 0920-40 02 00
Timmermansgatan 54
972 41   
Luleå


that's all I have right now.

OK thanks very much

It seems as though "Kurt Larsson" is the name of a company and as you said before the phone number (which I just rang) cannot be connected.

Any Swedish Lunamine customers reading this thread ?

[or people in Sweden generally ...]

[dekodoge]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

well at this stage it looks like it.

lunamine.com SOA is borked

it seems some DNS server are still pointing to 37.61.237.213 for www and lunamine.com (is this the old hosting company)

my simple opinion is that the domain has been stolen/taken from lunamine or  domain has been changed to make it look that way.

Hmmm ... but for someone to change the domain record so the MX record does NOT have an IP address (like now) would involve a call to Lunamine's "Domain Hosting" company from somebody who has valid credentials which the company already has on record ?

So I don't think it's a case of the Domain being stolen/taken at all !

[Hey I could be wrong but that's how I see it currently]

The fact that thee is no SOA at the new NS servers suggests something shady is happening.

[odlal]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

well at this stage it looks like it.

lunamine.com SOA is borked

it seems some DNS server are still pointing to 37.61.237.213 for www and lunamine.com (is this the old hosting company)

my simple opinion is that the domain has been stolen/taken from lunamine or  domain has been changed to make it look that way.

Hmmm ... but for someone to change the domain record so the MX record does NOT have an IP address (like now) would involve a call to Lunamine's "Domain Hosting" company from somebody who has valid credentials which the company already has on record ?

So I don't think it's a case of the Domain being stolen/taken at all !

[Hey I could be wrong but that's how I see it currently]

The fact that thee is no SOA at the new NS servers suggests something shady is happening.

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

[dekodoge]

any whois should show you those details.

But i took it from whats posted above in the thread.

What I mean is could you please quote the URL where YOU saw the name of "Kurt Larsson" mentioned ?

google search (0920400200) this is phone number from domain record

Registrant Phone: +46.0920400200

details from here

http://whois.domaintools.com/lunamine.com


and you get this

http://www.hitta.se/kurt+larsson/lule%C3%A5/person/xxWPZZww-X

which shows the following


Kurt Larsson
Telefonnummer: 0920-40 02 00
Timmermansgatan 54
972 41   
Luleå


that's all I have right now.

OK thanks very much

It seems as though "Kurt Larsson" is the name of a company and as you said before the phone number (which I just rang) cannot be connected.

Any Swedish Lunamine customers reading this thread ?

[or people in Sweden generally ...]

i dont think Kurt Larsson is a company

https://foretagsfakta.bolagsverket.se/fpl-dft-ext-web/home.seam

doesn't provide any matches or a person name search doesn't show them as having a company.

[dekodoge]

Just gone like a lot of others mining service??

well at this stage it looks like it.

lunamine.com SOA is borked

it seems some DNS server are still pointing to 37.61.237.213 for www and lunamine.com (is this the old hosting company)

my simple opinion is that the domain has been stolen/taken from lunamine or  domain has been changed to make it look that way.

Hmmm ... but for someone to change the domain record so the MX record does NOT have an IP address (like now) would involve a call to Lunamine's "Domain Hosting" company from somebody who has valid credentials which the company already has on record ?

So I don't think it's a case of the Domain being stolen/taken at all !

[Hey I could be wrong but that's how I see it currently]

The fact that thee is no SOA at the new NS servers suggests something shady is happening.

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

disabled by setting the NS records for the domain to a ISP in Egypt, you are deluded.

[crk]

I'm still waiting for my email 

[odlal]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

[jjc326]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

[dekodoge]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

any names mentioned in emails?

Can anyone provide the email headers from the emails they have?

[odlal]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

any names mentioned in emails?

Can anyone provide the email headers from the emails they have?

You're not a Customer of theirs then I take it ?

[dekodoge]

@odlal i'm not a customer.

[jjc326]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

any names mentioned in emails?

Can anyone provide the email headers from the emails they have?

You're not a Customer of theirs then I take it ?

Wait does that mean indeed lunamine has "re-branded" under a new site?  I don't need the site name but we need contact info for lunamine because that's BS he owes the sig campaign.  Did you get the promised e-mail about a new site?

[odlal]

Wait does that mean indeed lunamine has "re-branded" under a new site?  I don't need the site name but we need contact info for lunamine because that's BS he owes the sig campaign.  Did you get the promised e-mail about a new site?

No, sorry, I've had no emails from Lunamine so far.  Has anyone reading this thread received an Email of any kind from Lunamine please ?

[RealMalatesta]

I'm not too worried at the moment. The site is down, but he kept on writing an exisiting address since the beginning. For example in this post:

Quote from: ddalex on July 28, 2014, 12:08:01 PM
I have a 1 TH/s contract with LunaMine. I would like to invest much more, but before I want answers to this questions:

1) Do you know this place, on the photo;
2) Phone number;
3) Total hashrate of your system in real time;
4) Description of your mining pool;
5) Photo of mining rigs

Else everybody can suppose LunaMine  is a Ponzi-scam which one day shall disappear.

Sure, it is Timmermansgatan 16, Luleå Wink

All the other questions do not serve as proofs. We have been thinking of a secure way to show we are an actual mining operation. Honestly - all of the other answers can be made up. By giving away too much information we are putting a much larger operation than lunamine at risk. That being said - people who want to be 100% sure can meet us in person. In fact, there is one such person who claimed to have booked a trip to Luleå on August 10th - not sure how serious that is but we'll be welcoming them.

What exactly do you mean with total hashrate? Hashrate that we have sold through lunamine or hashrate that can be allocated to lunamine or total hashrate of the whole operation? lunamine is a small part of a larger operation (in which not all partners are interested in renting out hashing power) - whole operation runs over 200 TH/s. We do not have our own mining pool, we split our hashrate over various pools, none of them being GHash.io (unlike some of our competitors).

Also, if you look at the address in the phone book, there are a couple of companies located at the same address. If there is no communication from the side of Lunamine by end of Sunday, I think it will be a case for a lawyer. Otherwise, I for myself just keep calm.

[Acidyo]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

any names mentioned in emails?

Can anyone provide the email headers from the emails they have?

This is the second time you are trying to mix in other names in here.

Maybe the first name was right, guys, and this might just be OP trying to save his ass.

[bitcointogo]

who is CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE?

[crk]

who is CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE?

The name of who register lunamine.com

I just want to receive my pending withdraws and keep mining :-(.. I was planning tto buy 3 more ths

[leozabala0]

I'm still waiting for my email 

Yo también sigo esperando el email como todos. Ha alguien de la comunidad le ha llegado?

Alguien tiene alguna información nueva? . Es muy raro esto que paso y tendrían que dar explicaciones mas certeras.

[crk]

I'm still waiting for my email 

Yo también sigo esperando el email como todos. Ha alguien de la comunidad le ha llegado?

Alguien tiene alguna información nueva? . Es muy raro esto que paso y tendrían que dar explicaciones mas certeras.

Nadie tiene nada.. Solo toca esperar a que lunamine vuelva a aparecer

[bitcointogo]

I'm still waiting for my withdrawal. Is it to early to open a thread in Scam Accusations?

[jjc326]

I'd like to think it's because he's having to move his whole operation to a new more secure setup / hosting company and in the meantime he's disabled connectivity of any kind !

However having a phone number which a) doesn't work and b) is registered to a different company does not bode well ...

Now if it does turn out to be some sort of a Scam setup / Ponzi scheme then it'll have at least taught me one costly lesson ... which is to ALWAYS check the Domain Record details are valid before making any further purchases from any other "Cloud Miner" !

Agreed.  If this was total BS, surprised no one else thought of checking domain registration before investing.  I guess you'd have to check and then call the number, right?  I'd imagine a lot of companies use fake numbers and names though wouldn't they?

any names mentioned in emails?

Can anyone provide the email headers from the emails they have?

This is the second time you are trying to mix in other names in here.

Maybe the first name was right, guys, and this might just be OP trying to save his ass.

Acid, this was my thought as well.  I almost wish I had more invested here so I could hire a lawyer in Sweden but I only have .048 at stake but if I had invested heavily yes, I'd be on the phone without a doubt putting pressure on this Christophe guy.

[oliversl]

I'm still waiting for my withdrawal. Is it to early to open a thread in Scam Accusations?

If it was serious business they would not have disappeared from the Internet. How much longer should we wait?

They got us at:
- clean web design, web console, etc
- nice story in the "About section"
- the smiley at the end of each reply in this thread

[nagabeler]

if it was a scam, why so hurry... , this site is still in growing phase, a lot of people still want to adding their invest here,

i am also waiting for my payment 

[oliversl]

if it was a scam, why so hurry... , this site is still in growing phase, a lot of people still want to adding their invest here,

i am also waiting for my payment 

where will you invest? The website does not exists.

[Maverickx001]

Name: CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE
Street: TIMMERMANSGATAN 16A
City: LULE??
State: NA
Postalcode: 00000
Country: Sweden
Telephone: 460920400200
Phone Type: generic:
Email:   CHRISVER1987@YAHOO.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Web : http://www.enom.com
Registrar Country: United States

[zolace]

Is it possible that he used another company miners too temporary make you look like he was mining with his company, cause if he did damn Im sure the rep hes getting was worth it, he got free hosted miners now and making free btc

[Acidyo]

Is it possible that he used another company miners too temporary make you look like he was mining with his company, cause if he did damn Im sure the rep hes getting was worth it, he got a free miners now and making free btc

The site was always fishy, here is why.

He never showed pics of any mining hardware.
He never showed proof of a block being found by lunamine.
The last couple of days I noticed that some of the ghs I had mining on the site were updating but others weren't, wouldn't a new block being found add satoshis to all your ghs's at the same time?

It was a good scam cause: Sweden has Kncminer so this helped him establish trust.
He was very friendly replying to everyone,etc.
He started a sig campaign and offered upfront payments which no one has done before and the masses joined the campaigb like headless chickens, helping him promote his scam.
He offered very low rates.

All I gotta say is, gg. This kills all future investment opportunities for new mining companies.

[C.Steven]

Sorry to hear your losses.

The site was always fishy, here is why.

He never showed pics of any mining hardware.
He never showed proof of a block being found by lunamine.

Pretty much the same for other cloudmining services like PBmining...

[zolace]

Is it possible that he used another company miners too temporary make you look like he was mining with his company, cause if he did damn Im sure the rep hes getting was worth it, he got a free miners now and making free btc

The site was always fishy, here is why.

He never showed pics of any mining hardware.
He never showed proof of a block being found by lunamine.
The last couple of days I noticed that some of the ghs I had mining on the site were updating but others weren't, wouldn't a new block being found add satoshis to all your ghs's at the same time?

It was a good scam cause: Sweden has Kncminer so this helped him establish trust.
He was very friendly replying to everyone,etc.
He started a sig campaign and offered upfront payments which no one has done before and the masses joined the campaigb like headless chickens, helping him promote his scam.
He offered very low rates.

All I gotta say is, gg. This kills all future investment opportunities for new mining companies.

Acidyo something is wrong with your sig, and yeah I realize that he never shown any proof which Is why I was going to pull out of the sig and hence I wasnt going to invest in mining with him.  I wonder if anyone else had noticed that beside acidyo.  Then also I found shady was the fact he was kicking members for not bringing him sales, I mean it wasnt bad but it was suspicious but he painted it all colorful so no one was expected.  Im waiting a few more days then Im hoping people make a scam accusation forum but I doubt it will work since it would be a hit and run scam.  He wont need to worry about a site that he wont use no longer.

Edit never mind your sig is fine now

[fubtc]

I also got ripped of by this bastard! 3.4 BTC invest + 0,5 BTC mined

Is it possible to hire a hacker to rip him off?

[RealMalatesta]

I also got ripped of by this bastard! 3.4 BTC invest + 0,5 BTC mined

Is it possible to hire a hacker to rip him off?

If you tell us who he is, where he is, what his e-mail address is, where he is located at: Sure.

[crk]

i've invested 1230gh/s at lunamine (thats almost 3 btc) + 0.15 in pending withdraws.

the guy hasn't disapered completly (yet), if they are in such a big trouble he is going to be underground for a couple of days :-/

[ONLYfree]

I hope pbmining not do it same but if they do.. like all before done thats will be big boom

[dekodoge]

Well it does seem that he(lunamine) had a account with

https://www.bitcoincloudservices.com/

Judging from the BTC thread.


Also.

Name Server History

Event Date   Action   Pre-Action Server   Post-Action Server
2014-07-01   New   -none-   Namecheaphosting.com
2014-08-14   Transfer   Namecheaphosting.com   Link.net

[odlal]

Well it does seem that he(lunamine) had a account with https://www.bitcoincloudservices.com/ Judging from the BTC thread.

Hi Dekodoge

It could be the other way around and it's a customer of BitcoinCloudServices who has / had an account with Lunamine.

Just for information when I was back-tracking to sort of see where-the-money-went-and-came-from (as best I could) I also found the same address / wallet being used to channel BTC into a PBMining account hence I do consider it more likely, just like myself, the person-in-question was investing (spreading the risk) in more than one so-called 'cloud miner'.

The flip side however, the less palatable possible conclusion to draw from it all, is it's actually an elaborate "Ponzi Scheme" whereby the "top of the Pyramid" so-to-speak is ABOVE Lunamine and PBMining which are then both "scam setups" ? I do hope I'll be proven wrong with this line-of-thinking and as with all things I suppose ... time will tell !

BTW yesterday when I was asking you about "Kurt Larsson" it was because I thought you had implied he (Kurt Larsson) was specifically mentioned on the Domain Record you had found whereas it turned out you'd found him afterwards doing a Google search of the associated telephone number ... just wanna say thanks for clearing that up for me

Cheers,
Odlal.

[dekodoge]

Well it does seem that he(lunamine) had a account with https://www.bitcoincloudservices.com/ Judging from the BTC thread.

Hi Dekodoge

It could be the other way around and it's a customer of BitcoinCloudServices who has / had an account with Lunamine.

Just for information when I was back-tracking to sort of see where-the-money-went-and-came-from (as best I could) I also found the same address / wallet being used to channel BTC into a PBMining account hence I do consider it more likely, just like myself, the person-in-question was investing (spreading the risk) in more than one so-called 'cloud miner'.

The flip side however, the less palatable possible conclusion to draw from it all, is it's actually an elaborate "Ponzi Scheme" whereby the "top of the Pyramid" so-to-speak is ABOVE Lunamine and PBMining which are then both "scam setups" ? I do hope I'll be proven wrong with this line-of-thinking and as with all things I suppose ... time will tell !

BTW yesterday when I was asking you about "Kurt Larsson" it was because I thought you had implied he (Kurt Larsson) was specifically mentioned on the Domain Record you had found whereas it turned out you'd found him afterwards doing a Google search of the associated telephone number ... just wanna say thanks for clearing that up for me

Cheers,
Odlal.

Ok I misinterpreted it.

cheers for clearing it up.

[jjc326]

SO what do we think about Kurt Larsson?  Has anyone called him?  Does anyone live in or near Sweden?  If I got ripped for 4 BTC I'd certainly be calling that number.   My guess would be it was a fake number and poor Kurt Larsson just happened to be associated with it. They don't make you confirm the phone number when you register domain right?  What about the Christophe name?

I just don't see why he would have to go underground, as the above poster put it, if the site was under attack.  I mean go to a public wifi spot and make a post about what's going on then.

[odlal]

SO what do we think about Kurt Larsson?  Has anyone called him? 

I rang the +46 number yesterday and was told to redial because it was not possible to connect me ?!?

[dekodoge]

Does anyone have a email from lunamine.com ?

Please post email headers with your details redacted.

[dekodoge]

Jarif( you located in Finland then) thanks but that's a auto email sent from the hosting server so provides no more clues.

Anyone get a email from them that isn't auto generated?

[jarif]

Yes, everything I have received is from the website (hosting).

[dekodoge]

Thanks for the headers it seems lunamine had webmail installed on their hosting server so no clues as to client IP.

[odlal]

Thanks for the headers it seems lunamine had webmail installed on their hosting server so no clues as to client IP.

D'uh ! I just remembered I had a small email exchange with Lunamaine before I went ahead and bought into them.

What is it you're looking for please ? Like are there certain keywords related to client IP addresses for example ?

I'll have to see what, if anything, I can post here that may be of interest !

[odlal]

Thanks for the headers it seems lunamine had webmail installed on their hosting server so no clues as to client IP.

D'uh ! I just remembered I had a small email exchange with Lunamaine before I went ahead and bought into them.

What is it you're looking for please ? Like are there certain keywords related to client IP addresses for example ?

I'll have to see what, if anything, I can post here that may be of interest !

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[dekodoge]

 Squirrel webmail is hiding the client IP

Thanks anyhow.

[odlal]

From : http://lunamine.com.hypestat.com/

Server IP:         37.61.237.213
ASN:                AS8607
ISP:                 Timico Ltd Autonomous System
Server Location: Lincoln, H7, United Kingdom

Perhaps if the ISP (Timico Ltd) was approached directly, from a Lawyer or some such, then they might divulge further details ?

[infested999]

From : http://lunamine.com.hypestat.com/

Server IP:         37.61.237.213
ASN:                AS8607
ISP:                 Timico Ltd Autonomous System
Server Location: Lincoln, H7, United Kingdom

Perhaps if the ISP (Timico Ltd) was approached directly, from a Lawyer or some such, then they might divulge further details ?

If you have a police report they will confiscate the servers.

[mhn]

Both addresses are probably fake. Just drove past them to have a loook..

16A is a restaurant and a store.
54 no names mentioned here are listed

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22llscxccras83f/IMG_20140814_190804.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytzneinzr3o0yc8/IMG_20140814_192333.jpg

[jack3rror]

https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e


Is it him ?

[RealMalatesta]

https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e


Is it him ?

Who knows. Why do you think so?

[odlal]

https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e


Is it him ?

You must have your reasons for pointing out that particular address ? It does look like some 'pooling of BTC' is taking place there doesn't it ?

So far I haven't been able to make a connection to that address but then I've only "gone back" one level and it'll get exponentially more involved to go back further !

What would help is someone with a top-notch PC with forensic software able to make connections between seemingly disparate transactions (like now)

[odlal]

http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/lunamine.com

There is a phone number to the owner of domain but it looks not real ...

Phone Number: 460920400200 [ CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE ]

anyone from Sweden can make a call and check it?


I found A YouTube channel which an owner is CHRISTOPHE VERWEIRE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-OyidvoMEg - last video published on Jul 19, 2014

But don't know is that him or not ...

also FB accounts but not sure is that lunamine owner or not...
https://www.facebook.com/public/Christophe-Verweire
https://www.facebook.com/christophe.verweire

Has anybody followed up these links ?  I think I saw he's from Belgium but didn't look into it any further than that ...

NB : It appears ALL of his Facebook information and photos have been taken down ... does that mean it is him or someone with the same name who doesn't want to be associated with what's happening with Lunamine ?

[btcmner]

Both addresses are probably fake. Just drove past them to have a loook..

16A is a restaurant and a store.
54 no names mentioned here are listed

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22llscxccras83f/IMG_20140814_190804.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytzneinzr3o0yc8/IMG_20140814_192333.jpg

There are lots of small companies listed at that address, which is a rental office and commerce building :

http://www.norrporten.se/fastighet/forellen-9-3/?lang=en

Maybe there is a more detailed directory of tenants inside, or an actual help desk in case there is some shared-time office space for very small companies there, to which you could simply ask whether a company by the name of "Luna" or some individual by the name of "Christophe Verweire" or even some Kurt Larsson is registered tenant or not. There may be mail boxes you could check the name on. Also, there is a 16B and a 16A entrance to that building, and the address listed on lunamine.com mentions 16A, not 16B. This also might be worth another look.

As for the Timmermansgatan 54 directory, there has actually been a registered tenant by the name of Kurt Olof Larsson there. You'll notice however that he is listed as being 71 years old, so he may be either being living at one of the other tenants' address, or may have moved elsewhere recently (the disconnected phone number might be a clue) :

http://www.merinfo.se/search?ae6=Timmermansgatan+54+2tr&ae4=Lule%C3%A5&d=p

[ddalex]

Thanks for the headers it seems lunamine had webmail installed on their hosting server so no clues as to client IP.

D'uh ! I just remembered I had a small email exchange with Lunamaine before I went ahead and bought into them.
What is it you're looking for please ? Like are there certain keywords related to client IP addresses for example ?
I'll have to see what, if anything, I can post here that may be of interest !

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odlal@... received the message via 46.228.38.200 (UK, London) located here:
http://tejji.com/ip/ip-to-location.aspx?ip=46.228.38.200

This is the IP address of the e-mail server (UK, Lincoln):
http://tejji.com/ip/ip-to-location.aspx?ip=37.61.237.213

More important is this IP address (Sweden) -
the person at support@lunamine.com who send this message:
http://tejji.com/ip/ip-to-location.aspx?ip=37.203.209.10

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Internet Speed Check For 37.203.209.10 Located In ...
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[kingscrown]

ive updated my review of cloud minners adding they are scammers - http://fuk.io/cloud-hashing-and-rig-renting-services-review/

this really sucks, currently u can trust nobody in crypto world. before doing review i did talk to them, they did pay out on my tests but of course didnt pay out later

i got 1 more IP of them from my mails:
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[ChainRadio]

When the signature campaign was late on payment Chain Radio suspended the advertisements for Lunamine on air and haven't ran them since.

If it is gone for good, I'm sure they won't mind if we don't finish the advertisement rotation

[odlal]

before doing review i did talk to them

On the phone or via email ?

[btcmner]

More important is this IP address (Sweden) -
the person at support@lunamine.com who send this message:
http://tejji.com/ip/ip-to-location.aspx?ip=37.203.209.10

Hmmm, so we've got an actual Sweden IP there. Well, that could be somehow reassuring, after all.

Oh, I like the route !  You try to go to 37.203 and you end up in another IP segment :

> traceroute 37.203.209.10
traceroute to 37.203.209.10 (37.203.209.10), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
...
16  212.73.250.162 (212.73.250.162)  134.611 ms po11-40ge.sto4.se.portlane.net (80.67.4.174)  134.706 ms  136.136 ms
17  80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  137.953 ms po11-40ge.sto4.se.portlane.net (80.67.4.174)  134.838 ms 80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  136.045 ms
18  80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  137.316 ms 37.203.209.10 (37.203.209.10)  135.540 ms  135.361 ms


Seems like a router :
http://80.67.1.138/

Funny, isn't there some PiratPartiet smell there ?...
They are not supposed to be scammers, though.
I wonder what we will learn about that strange story later on. Looks more and more like some detective story... 

[RealMalatesta]

Okay, what we need first is an overview of how much he scammed. Then, we should put all what we know together. I can file a lawsuit with the Swedish police, so we can get the documents regarding the e-mail.

Kingscrown: You posted this IP: 185.3.135.10 Would you mind to send me the whole header by pm?

Regarding the losses, I would only include what you have sent, deduct what you received. To include the sig-campaign doesn't really make sense...

Name:                         Paid:                        Received:             Defrauded for:
RealMalatesta             1.03142627             0.16943428         0.86199199



Total:                                                                                        0.86199199

The higher the value, the more likely the chance that the authorities will react.

[RealMalatesta]

More important is this IP address (Sweden) -
the person at support@lunamine.com who send this message:
http://tejji.com/ip/ip-to-location.aspx?ip=37.203.209.10

Hmmm, so we've got an actual Sweden IP there. Well, that could be somehow reassuring, after all.

Oh, I like the route !  You try to go to 37.203 and you end up in another IP segment :

> traceroute 37.203.209.10
traceroute to 37.203.209.10 (37.203.209.10), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
...
16  212.73.250.162 (212.73.250.162)  134.611 ms po11-40ge.sto4.se.portlane.net (80.67.4.174)  134.706 ms  136.136 ms
17  80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  137.953 ms po11-40ge.sto4.se.portlane.net (80.67.4.174)  134.838 ms 80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  136.045 ms
18  80.67.1.138 (80.67.1.138)  137.316 ms 37.203.209.10 (37.203.209.10)  135.540 ms  135.361 ms


Seems like a router :
http://80.67.1.138/

Funny, isn't there some PiratPartiet smell there ?...
They are not supposed to be scammers, though.
I wonder what we will learn about that strange story later on. Looks more and more like some detective story... 

No, it smells like OpenVPN. The IP was used in the past for spamming activities, too. So probably no way to get somewhere through this. If I were a scammer, I would use a Swedish VPN-service which can be paid with BTC, use a mixer and pretend I am from Sweden, while sitting somewhere else.
The domain was bought via namecheap, so most probably also through an OpenVPN, paid by BTC, I assume, so no way to get there.
What I'm wondering: When he connected to bitcointalk.org: Did he use this OpenVPN, too? Anybody with some connections to the board gurus?

[kingscrown]

before doing review i did talk to them

On the phone or via email ?

email of course, "talk" this days to me is heh.. typing ;x
i know of one user who paid them 20BTC maybe je iwll jump to this thread.

[odlal]

i know of one user who paid them 20BTC

I know this is an off topic reply however according to the "Global Stats" page at PBMining one new customer of theirs has recently bought in for just over 60 TH/s which at their rates is approximately 174 BTC  

Luckily I only got into Lunamine in a very small way to "test the waters" so-to-speak but anyone who's bought in for a chunk of their own money has my sympathies for being on the receiving end of this apparent Scam !!!

Pffffffffffffffffff ...

[dekodoge]

Both addresses are probably fake. Just drove past them to have a loook..

16A is a restaurant and a store.
54 no names mentioned here are listed

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22llscxccras83f/IMG_20140814_190804.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytzneinzr3o0yc8/IMG_20140814_192333.jpg

Kurt Larsson is listed in 2nd pic and he is tied to the telenumber in the domain record.

[RealMalatesta]

Both addresses are probably fake. Just drove past them to have a loook..

16A is a restaurant and a store.
54 no names mentioned here are listed

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22llscxccras83f/IMG_20140814_190804.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytzneinzr3o0yc8/IMG_20140814_192333.jpg

Kurt Larsson is listed in 2nd pic and he is tied to the telenumber in the domain record.

As mentioned in a previous post:

As for the Timmermansgatan 54 directory, there has actually been a registered tenant by the name of Kurt Olof Larsson there. You'll notice however that he is listed as being 71 years old, so he may be either being living at one of the other tenants' address, or may have moved elsewhere recently (the disconnected phone number might be a clue) :

[jack3rror]

https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e


Is it him ?

Who knows. Why do you think so?

Payment made first to 1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv ( I have made a 249 mBtc payment) - edit : i'm writing the path for you

[btcmner]

https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e


Is it him ?

Who knows. Why do you think so?

Payment made first to 1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv ( I have made a 249 mBtc payment) - edit : i'm writing the path for you

You're on something here, I can also find this same terminal wallet ID from a different path linked to Luna.

On one hand, since the money is still there, it would be a simple matter for the recipient to refund people, if there had been some sudden and mysterious reason he became unable to fulfill his contracts.

On the other hand, I think I'm not the only one who would greatly appreciate a few words of explanation from lunamine, for I'm still willing to grant them the benefit of the doubt, until some reasonable grace period has elapsed, of course.

[jack3rror]

Ok so.

First, I've made a payment from 16bnJa4TpUbMkgMDSP6DdfpaabQivbpLmcto 1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv- 0.24975857 BTC

1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv: https://blockchain.info/address/1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv

1CobiTqRgNR7XqgpbEmqWNmdwWYQkZknVv has made a payment to 166afXaVzEfNhS1jdvNB2asxH8FHZiacAF- 0.24965857 BTC (Total Wallet Withdraw)

166afXaVzEfNhS1jdvNB2asxH8FHZiacAF : https://blockchain.info/address/166afXaVzEfNhS1jdvNB2asxH8FHZiacAF

166afXaVzEfNhS1jdvNB2asxH8FHZiacAF has made a payment to 1JvjsfmoRmKgiSz5uadQYvbELEL5K9wNmn - 1.31126872 BTC (Total Wallet Withdraw)

1JvjsfmoRmKgiSz5uadQYvbELEL5K9wNmn : https://blockchain.info/address/1JvjsfmoRmKgiSz5uadQYvbELEL5K9wNmn

1JvjsfmoRmKgiSz5uadQYvbELEL5K9wNmn has made a payment to 15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e- 165.22473925 BTC (Total Wallet Withdraw)

15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e : https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e

  Total balance of account  15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e :    1,993.57651 BTC BTC

Scammed persons: https://blockchain.info/tx/ba2fd6602fd7d184d889fc8b865db9927d8085495cba179a6dbd648528178111 - pending




EDIT 2 : Or he rented power to another pool and this last address is a wellknown pool

[jack3rror]

Yep of course, this guy seemed ok. I hope he is well but we want answers.

[bitcointogo]

I really don't think the Lunamine.com SCAM made 1,993 BTC

Pbmining is receiving about 50BTC per day https://blockchain.info/address/1PiggymPPieBtwaUKdrmxi4p1VuXG2ZHy4

[jack3rror]

I really don't think the Lunamine.com SCAM made 1,993 BTC

Pbmining is receiving about 50BTC per day https://blockchain.info/address/1PiggymPPieBtwaUKdrmxi4p1VuXG2ZHy4

Ok, so he made 165 BTC  maybe

[gushes]

I hope pbmining not do it same but if they do.. like all before done thats will be big boom

Of course PBmining and Luna are a scam.  If A. They don't show you a picture of mining equipment, they are not mining.
B. They give out "non-variable" payments.  I.E. you get $1 every hour like clockwork.  They are not mining.

They are Ponzi schemes. 

Even if they DO show you pictures of mining equipment... it could still be a Ponzi, or some other type of scam.  99% of these cloud mining are guaranteed partial or complete loss of "investment". 

[kingscrown]

funds are not moved of wallet [if its right one] yet there is no chances it wasnt scam.
signatures not paid, my advertising not paid, site down, no payments for miners.

[jjc326]

I hope pbmining not do it same but if they do.. like all before done thats will be big boom

Of course PBmining and Luna are a scam.  If A. They don't show you a picture of mining equipment, they are not mining.
B. They give out "non-variable" payments.  I.E. you get $1 every hour like clockwork.  They are not mining.

They are Ponzi schemes. 

Even if they DO show you pictures of mining equipment... it could still be a Ponzi, or some other type of scam.  99% of these cloud mining are guaranteed partial or complete loss of "investment". 

Let all now know that whatever a cloud mining owner says it doesn't mean jack. They need to show you the equipment and found blocks otherwise it's total BS. Luna was nice and responsive and even had a good story about wanting to make sure ghash didn't get 51 percent of the hashpower. They used "we" on their website to sound like it was a group of people involved with it.

At this point hearing nothing else, keep the doxxing going and I hope you can exert pressure on lunamine. File police report in Sweden as they DID steal from a whole bunch of people.

[fubtc]

This was the last email I got:

Hello!

Thank you for your interest. We can offer you 700 GH/s for 1.4 BTC.

I added an order to your account (check pending orders). The payment
address is 1JqCuJJRxFSUxyz84RNDdzuiw96yDKucnZ

If you suspect any errors, please let me know

Best regards,
lunamine

[Arctic]

Feel sorry for everyone scammed.

A genuine cloud mining company should be happy to tell you who are backing them, show you pictures of the gear, even take you to visit the facility if you are a serious buyer. 

[kaloryczny]

A genuine cloud mining company should be happy to tell you who are backing them, show you pictures of the gear, even take you to visit the facility if you are a serious buyer. 

You can fool all with sham gadgets . Is taken any action to recover the BTC ?

[BitCoinDream]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

[RealMalatesta]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Nope. And I'd say that the BTC are lost - unless someone comes forward with some useful information. Until now, the only information we have is that there is no information.

Probably we should set up a reward system for future cases like this...

[BitCoinDream]

I hope pbmining not do it same but if they do.. like all before done thats will be big boom

Of course PBmining and Luna are a scam.  If A. They don't show you a picture of mining equipment, they are not mining.
B. They give out "non-variable" payments.  I.E. you get $1 every hour like clockwork.  They are not mining.

They are Ponzi schemes. 

Even if they DO show you pictures of mining equipment... it could still be a Ponzi, or some other type of scam.  99% of these cloud mining are guaranteed partial or complete loss of "investment". 

Let all now know that whatever a cloud mining owner says it doesn't mean jack. They need to show you the equipment and found blocks otherwise it's total BS. Luna was nice and responsive and even had a good story about wanting to make sure ghash didn't get 51 percent of the hashpower. They used "we" on their website to sound like it was a group of people involved with it.

At this point hearing nothing else, keep the doxxing going and I hope you can exert pressure on lunamine. File police report in Sweden as they DID steal from a whole bunch of people.

They may not able to show u the blocks as they might be mining at some big pool themselves and hash buyers may not have any objection to that.

[jjc326]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Nope. And I'd say that the BTC are lost - unless someone comes forward with some useful information. Until now, the only information we have is that there is no information.

Probably we should set up a reward system for future cases like this...

A couple pages back there was a guy trying to get a list going of amount lost (just on cloud hashing purchases). I'd advise all to start adding to the list so we can get the Swedish police on the case.  It was absolutely fraud.  It's also annoying how they tried to delay us investigating them by coming up with excuses. 

[drmavis]

OK I'll add my name to the list of those defrauded:

drmavis --> 0.47139382 BTC "invested"

These types of situations make me so frustrated - is CEX.IO the only LEGIT cloud mining service out there that isn't a ponzi/scam? Maybe Scrypt.cc too?

I like the idea of cloud mining or buying shares of expensive hardware and letting someone else with cheaper electricity manage it, but all of these scams are making me want to just order equipment myself (though they have their fair share of scams).

[jjc326]

OK I'll add my name to the list of those defrauded:

drmavis --> 0.47139382 BTC "invested"

These types of situations make me so frustrated - is CEX.IO the only LEGIT cloud mining service out there that isn't a ponzi/scam? Maybe Scrypt.cc too?

I like the idea of cloud mining or buying shares of expensive hardware and letting someone else with cheaper electricity manage it, but all of these scams are making me want to just order equipment myself (though they have their fair share of scams).

I don't even think CEX is the great thing everyone is making it out to be.  There is also the issue that once something becomes big enough, the incentive to steal the funds gets very big and probably becomes harder to resist. 

[jseppeli]

OK I'll add my name to the list of those defrauded:

drmavis --> 0.47139382 BTC "invested"

These types of situations make me so frustrated - is CEX.IO the only LEGIT cloud mining service out there that isn't a ponzi/scam? Maybe Scrypt.cc too?

I like the idea of cloud mining or buying shares of expensive hardware and letting someone else with cheaper electricity manage it, but all of these scams are making me want to just order equipment myself (though they have their fair share of scams).

I don't even think CEX is the great thing everyone is making it out to be.  There is also the issue that once something becomes big enough, the incentive to steal the funds gets very big and probably becomes harder to resist. 

cex is possibly the most legit but the donwside with them is that it is meant to be a trading site but the rising difficulty which results in higher maintenance fees compared to mined coins and 0.2% trading fee has made it almost impossible to make profits there nowadays.

I have not investigated in scrypt.cc that much but they have been online quite awhile already.

but personally I have invested some BTC into pbmining.com and some into cex
pbmining have also been around for quite awhile and the earliest users including me has started to get profits on first contracts.

[VJain]

Not 100% relevant, but I've tried to communicate with their staff numerous times about getting a Mobile App set up for them. No replies.

Made me hesitant, because:
1. No communication or reply to my queries (forum PM, email, web form)
2. They don't seem to want to offer any extra/bonus services to their members.

[btcmner]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Their wallet is https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e
The amount received is 1,993.57651 btc. Not bad.
Apart from a 0.5 btc contribution to MultiBit (indeed a very well done wallet software), the received btc remain untouched to this date.
Maybe the wallet owner is really in big trouble and can't move at the moment...
 

[jjc326]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Their wallet is https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e
The amount receive is 1,993.57651 btc. Not bad.
Apart from a 0.5 btc contribution to MultiBit (indeed a very well done wallet software), the received btc remain untouched to this date.
Maybe the wallet owner is really in big trouble and can't move at the moment...
 

In one of the threads someone pointed to that wallet but didn't think it was theirs.  That's a big sum to have in a short time...amazing. 

Hmm yes why wouldn't they move that if it was a scam?  Heck first thing I'd do is move it all over, use a mixer or two etc.

But if he "cant move" as you say, how could that be happening?  You think someone is blackmailing him and has located him physically and told him not to move the BTC in that wallet or something? or maybe the police but that's a really really long shot.

[infested999]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Their wallet is https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e
The amount receive is 1,993.57651 btc. Not bad.
Apart from a 0.5 btc contribution to MultiBit (indeed a very well done wallet software), the received btc remain untouched to this date.
Maybe the wallet owner is really in big trouble and can't move at the moment...
 

In one of the threads someone pointed to that wallet but didn't think it was theirs.  That's a big sum to have in a short time...amazing. 

Hmm yes why wouldn't they move that if it was a scam?  Heck first thing I'd do is move it all over, use a mixer or two etc.

But if he "cant move" as you say, how could that be happening?  You think someone is blackmailing him and has located him physically and told him not to move the BTC in that wallet or something? or maybe the police but that's a really really long shot.

I think some of those BTC is lunamine's, but that wallet in total is some online wallet service that combines all the user's BTC into one wallet.

[jjc326]

Does anyone have any idea that how much approximately they have raised from users for mining ?

Their wallet is https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e
The amount receive is 1,993.57651 btc. Not bad.
Apart from a 0.5 btc contribution to MultiBit (indeed a very well done wallet software), the received btc remain untouched to this date.
Maybe the wallet owner is really in big trouble and can't move at the moment...
 

In one of the threads someone pointed to that wallet but didn't think it was theirs.  That's a big sum to have in a short time...amazing. 

Hmm yes why wouldn't they move that if it was a scam?  Heck first thing I'd do is move it all over, use a mixer or two etc.

But if he "cant move" as you say, how could that be happening?  You think someone is blackmailing him and has located him physically and told him not to move the BTC in that wallet or something? or maybe the police but that's a really really long shot.

I think some of those BTC is lunamine's, but that wallet in total is some online wallet service that combines all the user's BTC into one wallet.

I know I might get flamed for this but do we know what wallet it is?  Let's contact the wallet host and tell him about the scam.  Maybe he can at least hold part of luna's funds.

[btcmner]

I think some of those BTC is lunamine's, but that wallet in total is some online wallet service that combines all the user's BTC into one wallet.

No, that would not be very consistent with the fact that the wallet activity begins on august 1st and ends on august 11st, dates which are consistent with lunamine's activity, and would be incompatible with the hypothesis of this wallet belonging to someone else.

My own hypothesis is, that on august 1st, lunamine decided to consolidate their wallets into one that they created with MultiBit, which is a powerful wallet soft (and deserves the 0.5 btc donation they made).

The particular wallet ID above might just be the "savings" wallet of MultiBit, while some other amount may have been used to buy hardware and/or hosting. If someone can trace their own initial lunamine payment to another wallet beginning on august 1st, that would be interesting to compare.

Personally, I'm still not convinced lunamine is a scammer, I'm willing to wait for more information. I would highly appreciate that lunamine answers my PM, and gives some explanation about the situation , on this thread.

So, lunamine, since you are probably reading this, have some courage and say whatever happened. If you are victim of some "blackmail", then please do know that the best answer to blackmail is to make the information public : blackmail then loses all leverage. This would be much better than to let your reputation, and people's willingness to grant you the benefit of doubt, go to shambles.

[btcmner]

Let's contact the wallet host and tell him about the scam.

You're not going to be flamed, you just need a short reminder  

• There is no host for that wallet : it was generated by Multibit, which runs on one's PC and not online. More generally, it is usually quite difficult, if not impossible, to locate the owner of a given wallet.
• (to all of the people who are participating in this thread) Please refrain from hurrying to qualify what is happening as a "scam" : at the moment there is no definitive evidence against the hypothesis of lunamine having been somehow attacked and put offline.

[btcmner]

Of course PBmining and Luna are a scam.  If A. They don't show you a picture of mining equipment, they are not mining.
B. They give out "non-variable" payments.  I.E. you get $1 every hour like clockwork.  They are not mining.

They are Ponzi schemes.  

Even if they DO show you pictures of mining equipment... it could still be a Ponzi, or some other type of scam.  99% of these cloud mining are guaranteed partial or complete loss of "investment".  

It is, in my opinion, a very poor attitude to conflate lunamine's (still unclear) situation with PB Mining's way of doing business.
These are completely separate entities, with no relationship whatsoever.

Lunamine was not paying "non variable" amounts. The increments timings and amounts were consistent with blocks being found with some variance.
PBMining chose to pay a flat rate amount, thus completely eliminating variance.

There is no proof either of them has ever been a Ponzi scheme. PB Mining users have been consistently paid every week without fail, this fact alone makes the accusation of "Ponzi scheme" premature, if not pure libel.

As for lunamine, even now all we have is the word of the owner warning of an attack and some mysterious private problems, but it is nethertheless premature to call it a "scam" or "Ponzi scheme".

And by the way, PB Mining is quiet about his identity, but it is hardly a secret and you can find him easily if you want to have a talk with him. Last: you can find here and there where PBMining is mining. Hint: It's not a self-contained pool, it is mining on various pools (including Eligius). Most miners do the same and diversify/switch pools at their leisure, there is nothing wrong with that.

Last but not least : if you are buying a share in an hosted mining operation, you don't get to see the hardware. Most data center operations are at least partly secret, being related to bitcoin or any other field of business. Most of the time, you'll never get to see the actual networked hardware you're using. If you insist on having a photograph and get one shown to you, you're probably also likely to claim it's a fake etc anyway.

[odlal]

Lunamine was not paying "non variable" amounts. The increments timings and amounts were consistent with blocks being found with some variance.

You speak as though you were with them from the very start of their operation which wasn't all that long now was it !?!

But if you have payouts to back up your statement then I'll bow to your greater exposure to Lunamine's system !

Like everyone here, I'm sure we'd all love to hear from him/her/them, however, the longer the silence the less likely of it being anything other than a Crime eh ?

[dyask]

Of course PBmining and Luna are a scam.  If A. They don't show you a picture of mining equipment, they are not mining.
B. They give out "non-variable" payments.  I.E. you get $1 every hour like clockwork.  They are not mining.

They are Ponzi schemes.  

Even if they DO show you pictures of mining equipment... it could still be a Ponzi, or some other type of scam.  99% of these cloud mining are guaranteed partial or complete loss of "investment".  

It is, in my opinion, a very poor attitude to conflate lunamine's (still unclear) situation with PB Mining's way of doing business.
These are completely separate entities, with no relationship whatsoever.

Lunamine was not paying "non variable" amounts. The increments timings and amounts were consistent with blocks being found with some variance.
PBMining chose to pay a flat rate amount, thus completely eliminating variance.

There is no proof either of them has ever been a Ponzi scheme. PB Mining users have been consistently paid every week without fail, this fact alone makes the accusation of "Ponzi scheme" premature, if not pure libel.

As for lunamine, even now all we have is the word of the owner warning of an attack and some mysterious private problems, but it is nethertheless premature to call it a "scam" or "Ponzi scheme".

And by the way, PB Mining is quiet about his identity, but it is hardly a secret and you can find him easily if you want to have a talk with him. Last: you can find here and there where PBMining is mining. Hint: It's not a self-contained pool, it is mining on various pools (including Eligius). Most miners do the same and diversify/switch pools at their leisure, there is nothing wrong with that.

Last but not least : if you are buying a share in an hosted mining operation, you don't get to see the hardware. Most data center operations are at least partly secret, being related to bitcoin or any other field of business. Most of the time, you'll never get to see the actual networked hardware you're using. If you insist on having a photograph and get one shown to you, you're probably also likely to claim it's a fake etc anyway.

Why is it always newbies defending the scams?

[btcmner]

You speak as though you were with them from the start of their operation which wasn't all that long now was it !?!

I'm not "with them", I do happen to have bought a share on their operation, like many other people. I do so on many different hosted services, in order to diversify my hash capacity and protect the whole against the failure of part of them (which seems to be the right strategy to adopt, given the circumstances).

As for the payments, anybody watching their balance regularly could easily double check what I said.

Also, regarding withdrawals, I was waiting for some decent amount to accumulate on my balance to withdraw, but unfortunately withdrawals are currently out of the question  

Despite the current events, the fact remains that there no evidence that it is a scam. Instead of throwing accusations around, people should do some investigation : maybe someone will find a good trail and we'll eventually know what this was all about.

[btcmner]

Why is it always newbies defending the scams?

Ok, my profile indicates "newbie", which is some grade level on this forum, fair enough.
That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.
In that regard, I wonder who would be the "newbie" between you and me... or do I ?  

So, you just did it, you used the word "scam".

Now go prove it.

This is a challenge to you, the non-"newbie" : prove that your accusation stands.
No trick allowed.
Real evidence is mandated by the gravity of your accusation.
By qualifying something of "scam", you are taking a very strong stance, and you get the responsibility of bringing solid proof in support of your accusation.
Otherwise, you've just committed libel.

Think about it, and be more careful when you accuse someone.

[odlal]

As for the payments, anybody watching their balance regularly could easily double check what I said.

Of course that's impossible now isn't it ? IMO you must have had a "close eye" so-to-speak on your Balance if you were able to deduce that over time the amount it was increasing by was NOT at a constant rate ? I couldn't say I was as closely monitoring my Balance as you apparently were, only that it seemed to increase every hour or so ...

Instead of throwing accusations around, people should do some investigation : maybe someone will find a good trail and we'll will eventually know what this was all about.

Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Swedish police have not already been notified of what seems to have taken place here because someone from Sweden has filed a Complaint against them !

[btcmner]

Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Swedish police have not already been notified of what seems to have taken place here because someone from Sweden has filed a Complaint against them !

That would be a good start, indeed, maybe something would come out of it.

On the other hand, thinking of it, what proof do we have that lunamine is really located in Sweden ?
A couple of days before, it appeared that no trace was formally giving them away as actually being in Sweden, even the "Swedish" IP from a mail header appeared to be from an anonymous proxy there, which might have been a simple relay after all.

There was also that swedish user who actually went in front of the building and took a photo. That building is a rental office space, and many small companies have their address there, so there might be some shared office or mailbox service available.
It would be a good idea to go back there and look at the mail boxes, or ask the help desk (if there is one) or neighboring companies if a small company by the name of "Luna" etc was actually a tenant there.

[jjc326]

Regarding evidence of Sweden, we also have the fact that the OP was very careful to say how they were out of lulea, Sweden, although that could have been to throw people off.

Regarding the amount of bitcoin being added to the lunamine accounts- that was discussed on this thread a couple times, how there would be some variance due to block finding in the amount going into your account. Mao for me there's nothing suspicious about that posting by the "newbie". 

In any case I so keep checking ere very say just HOPING lunamine posts further information. Again though, what types of things could POSSIBLY be happening so that they can't post and say what happened?  Does anyone have any experience or idea?  I mean if it's blackmail what's he worse that they could be doing?  Saying to lunamine "don't post on your thread or we'll kill you?"  I just don't get it.

I do think it's time to say scam.

[RealMalatesta]

Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Swedish police have not already been notified of what seems to have taken place here because someone from Sweden has filed a Complaint against them !

That would be a good start, indeed, maybe something would come out of it.

On the other hand, thinking of it, what proof do we have that lunamine is really located in Sweden ?
A couple of days before, it appeared that no trace was formally giving them away as actually being in Sweden, even the "Swedish" IP from a mail header appeared to be from an anonymous proxy there, which might have been a simple relay after all.

There was also that swedish user who actually went in front of the building and took a photo. That building is a rental office space, and many small companies have their address there, so there might be some shared office of mailbox service available.
It would be a good idea to go back there and look at the mail boxes, or ask the help desk (if there is one) or neighboring companies if a small company by the name of "Luna" etc was actually a tenant there.

You are a funny guy.

Let's make the fact checking.

First of all: What is a scam. Let me quote Wikipedia:

A scam or confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence

Did Lunamine do this? The simple answer is: Yes. Otherwise, nobody would have invested.

Did it gain the confidence? Yes.

Did it defraud a group of persons? Yes.

Fraud is - and again, I quote Wikipedia - a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

 We may discuss the term "deliberately". This term is used mainly in the US jurisdiction. Fact is that there is currently no place where people who miss their funds can file a lawsuit but at the place they are living at. At the place where I was defrauded, the term "deliberately" in connection with fraud is only used in big cases. Soat least I can drop it.

Fact is that Lunamine obviously used wrong information. There are about 60 companies registered in Sweden with the term "Luna" in it. None of these companies has any connection to any person who's name was used when registering the domain, nor was or is any of these companies registered in the town where Lunamine should be. So I conclude that the registry information is wrong.

Furthermore: When problems with Lunamine started, the person behind Lunamine wrote:

Everything may be slightly delayed because we are dealing with an attack and blackmail. Can't go in details at the moment.
Cannot say for sure when the withdrawals will be made but they of course will be made.

And a little bit later, the same person wrote:

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.
Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

Has anybody on bitcointalk ever received this e-mail? Obviously not.

Has the user "Lunamine" been on bitcointalk since his last posting? Yes.

This means: "Lunamine" has most probably seen that the mail didn't arrive. Okay, maybe he didn't go into the forum. Then he should have seen the private messages and learned it by reading them.

Any reaction? No.

All together features of scam and fraud.

Now "btcmner" writes:

That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.

Very impressed, Sir. But with all due respect: If you really ever did investigate a crime, then most probably not a fraud. You do not know what you are writing about.

[btcmner]

Ok, seems that someone want to bring a proof without proof here :

Did it defraud a group of persons? Yes.

No. That's precisely what we don't know for sure.

You don't present any evidence here, just some lawyerspeak sleight-of-hand accompanied with useless wikipedia citations in order to acquire some appearance of authority, which is pure waste of time.
Don't try to dilute and divert the subject in order to get an easy rhetorical argument, argument for the sake of argumenting is not the point, bring solid proof or at best reasonable questioning for others to verify instead. Something concrete.

This is not jury you have to seduce. You can't base an argument on your personal conviction that a crime (felony, mail fraud, whatever) did happen.

You must answer the why, the how, the when, where, with facts, or point out a possible direction for investigation, not speculations.
You are using the "may", "maybe", "might" weasel words all too often in your pre-concluded argumentation, which at the end amounts to nothing certain, therefore nothing at all.

If you have something solid to bring, then do it.
Otherwise, you are just adding to the confusion.

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.
Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

Has anybody on bitcointalk ever received this e-mail? Obviously not.

That's a possibilty (as a matter of fact, I did not receive that mail and have been without an update ever since), but then again, lunamine does not claim people have received it, but that mail was sent. Mail can be sent and never reach destination (especially when your mail server is being attacked), as you probably know, so in itself that doesn't prove much, it's at best a suspicion.

Has the user "Lunamine" been on bitcointalk since his last posting? Yes.

His last activity is marked as about half an hour after he posted that last message, which is the usual timeout for sessions, so I'm sorry but I can't conclude the following :

This means: "Lunamine" has most probably seen that the mail didn't arrive. Okay, maybe he didn't go into the forum. Then he should have seen the private messages and learned it by reading them.
Any reaction? No.

All together features of scam and fraud.

This is still speculation. Sorry, but you haven't proved anything here.

With the same base constatation (last seen on this site half an hour after message posted), I could also very well imagined that he posted his message, left the window open, half an hour or so later he logged out without any further check, and after that has been battling some problem. This speculation would be as valid as your speculation.

Now, I've been trying to investigate a bit outside this forum, instead of grasping at straws with wikipedia citations in sterile arguments.
I haven't made progress so far, but at least I'm trying something concrete. Hopefully more to come later.

Anybody having even some small clue about the fate of lunamine is welcome to share it here.

[RealMalatesta]

Ok, seems that someone want to bring a proof without proof here :

Did it defraud a group of persons? Yes.

No. That's precisely what we don't know for sure.

You don't present any evidence here, just some lawyerspeak sleight-of-hand accompanied with useless wikipedia citations in order to acquire some appearance of authority, which is pure waste of time.
Don't try to dilute and divert the subject in order to get an easy rhetorical argument, argument for the sake of argumenting is not the point, bring solid proof or at best reasonable questioning for others to verify instead. Something concrete.

This is not jury you have to seduce. You can't base an argument on your personal conviction that a crime (felony, mail fraud, whatever) did happen.

You must answer the why, the how, the when, where, with facts, or point out a possible direction for investigation, not speculations.
You are using the "may", "maybe", "might" weasel words all too often in your pre-concluded argumentation, which at the end amounts to nothing certain, therefore nothing at all.

If you have something solid to bring, then do it.
Otherwise, you are just adding to the confusion.

We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.
Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.

Has anybody on bitcointalk ever received this e-mail? Obviously not.

That's a possibilty (as a matter of fact, I did not receive that mail and have been without an update ever since), but then again, lunamine does not claim people have received it, but that mail was sent. Mail can be sent and never reach destination (especially when your mail server is being attacked), as you probably know, so in itself that doesn't prove much, it's at best a suspicion.

Has the user "Lunamine" been on bitcointalk since his last posting? Yes.

His last activity is marked as about half an hour after he posted that last message, which is the usual timeout for sessions, so I'm sorry but I can't conclude the following :

This means: "Lunamine" has most probably seen that the mail didn't arrive. Okay, maybe he didn't go into the forum. Then he should have seen the private messages and learned it by reading them.
Any reaction? No.

All together features of scam and fraud.

This is still speculation. Sorry, but you haven't proved anything here.

With the same base constatation (last seen on this site half an hour after message posted), I could also very well imagined that he posted his message, left the window open, half an hour or so later he logged out without any further check, and after that has been battling some problem. This speculation would be as valid as your speculation.

Now, I've been trying to investigate a bit outside this forum, instead of grasping at straws with wikipedia citations in sterile arguments.
I haven't made progress so far, but at least I'm trying something concrete. Hopefully more to come later.

Anybody having even some small clue about the fate of lunamine is welcome to share it here.

Fact is: I invested.
Fact is: I should get something for what I invested. Remember: He labeled it "contract".
Fact is: I do not get what I should get according to the contract.
Fact is: There is no way to contact "Lunamine".
Fact is: Lunamine as a company does not exist in Sweden.
Fact is: No company by the name "Lunamine" exists in Europe
Fact is: All IPs we have seen until now lead to a Swedish OpenVPN provider
Fact is: No mails which are sent to the person who has registered the domain Lunamine are opened
Fact is: The only person in Europe with the name "Lunamine" was using for registering the domain lives in Belgium, runs a real-estate firm and doesn't know anything about Lunamine.
Fact is: A ddos would not affect the mail-server he is using.
Fact is: He did not pay for the sig-campaign

There's much more facts. However, not one single claim from "Lunamine" is factual.

Go, do your research. Good luck. File a lawsuit in Sweden. Too bad that the OpenVPN-provider doesn't keep any logs.

Well, file a lawsuit in the US for getting a court order for revealing the data Lunamine left with namecheap. Too bad namecheap hasn't any records with real data for "Lunamine".

I can easily prove that it is a scam: My assets have gone, and I do not have any possibility to contact the person who has it, to get my assets back or to get information about its whereabouts. I can prove that the person used fake data for registering and promoting the service and so on.

So yes: I call it scam, fraud, criminal behavior.

Libel? Well, who will file a civil suit against me? A company which does not exist? A person which does not exist? Get real....

[btcmner]

Fact is: I invested.

Me too, but I still don't have enough information to decide whether this is a scam or not.

Fact is: I should get something for what I invested. Remember: He labeled it "contract".
Fact is: I do not get what I should get according to the contract.

This is irrelevant to the question "is it a scam ?" and does not bring information as to what did happen.
The operator being attacked and/or having sustained loss of, for example, his private PC, thus preventing him to contact anyone, would be another equally valid speculation.
There is another fact which would plead in favor of incapacitation of the operator : the wallet remains untouched to this date (and should be closely monitored). Leaving the money in the chest is hardly running away with it, and is even an element of doubt as to whether it is a scam.

Fact is: There is no way to contact "Lunamine".

Reverse logic: this fact is the origin of the problem, not an element of the conclusion.

Fact is: Lunamine as a company does not exist in Sweden.
Fact is: No company by the name "Lunamine" exists in Europe

Unconclusive : I've seen many very small companies either registered under a different name, or being still in the process of being registered. This does not allow to reach a conclusion.

Fact is: All IPs we have seen until now lead to a Swedish OpenVPN provider

Indeed, but that could also very possibly be because it is someone who doesn't want to be harassed or pay taxes on crypto-currencies revenue. There is a greater proportion of people wanting their privacy to remain undisturbed in the bitcoin-related field than in the general population. Although I don't take extraordinary steps to hide my real-life identity, I'm not publishing it either, for I value some degree of privacy.

Fact is: No mails which are sent to the person who has registered the domain Lunamine are opened

Speculation. How do you know whether someone opens an email or not ? Did you hack into those yahoo accounts ?
Most probably, you simply don't know.

Fact is: The only person in Europe with the name "Lunamine" was using for registering the domain lives in Belgium, runs a real-estate firm and doesn't know anything about Lunamine.

Untrue. There are several persons using that name, in Europe and elsewhere.

Fact is: A ddos would not affect the mail-server he is using.

Irrelevant. There are many ways to attack, or more generally put a server offline, and I didn't allude to a DDOS.

Fact is: He did not pay for the sig-campaign

Well, shit happens. I could for example illustrate that Bitmain did not send me my coupons for the S3 batch 1, but that doesn't make scammers of them.

There's much more facts. However, not one single claim from "Lunamine" is factual.

Neither are your "facts". You are mixing up premises and conclusions. Beware of that logical trap.

Go, do your research. Good luck. File a lawsuit in Sweden. Too bad that the OpenVPN-provider doesn't keep any logs.

As I told previously, I have doubts regarding the Sweden location of lunamine's operator.

Well, file a lawsuit in the US for getting a court order for revealing the data Lunamine left with namecheap. Too bad namecheap hasn't any records with real data for "Lunamine".

As you say, that trail too would be a waste of time.

I can easily prove that it is a scam: My assets have gone, and I do not have any possibility to contact the person who has it, to get my assets back or to get information about its whereabouts. I can prove that the person used fake data for registering and promoting the service and so on.

This not a proof at all. The operator could be prevented to inform lunamine customers, for any reason including loss of passwords, data, theft of identity etc.
As for the fake registration data, well, why not, that would be a (somewhat ill-advised, indeed) way to keep some privacy.

So yes: I call it scam, fraud, criminal behavior.

Sorry, you're speculating. You have not proven that it is a scam.

Libel? Well, who will file a civil suit against me? A company which does not exist? A person which does not exist? Get real....

Well, that doesn't change the fact that you made an unfounded accusation without evidence to back it up.
Not knowing the identity of someone you harm the reputation of is not a justification to do so.

[jjc326]

All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on.  Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account. 

[kingscrown]

All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on.  Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account. 

this is because it was scam. cant u get it?

[jjc326]

All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on.  Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account. 

this is because it was scam. cant u get it?

Nice post padding post dude, and you were so nice too.

I was talking to the people who are saying this isn't a scam.  I DO think it's a scam.

[kingscrown]

All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on.  Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account. 

this is because it was scam. cant u get it?

Nice post padding post dude, and you were so nice too.

I was talking to the people who are saying this isn't a scam.  I DO think it's a scam.

hah ok i didnt read all posts.. just making sure people get it

[Justin00]

Obviously their is no hard evidence yet.. but how long do you guys hope waiting for it to NOT be a scam ?

I bet the Pirate, TF, Ukyo etc etc etc people are also still holding up hope their investments weren't scams...

Regardless, if the people here call it a scam or not, it does not change the outcome..

[dyask]

Why is it always newbies defending the scams?

Ok, my profile indicates "newbie", which is some grade level on this forum, fair enough.
That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.
In that regard, I wonder who would be the "newbie" between you and me... or do I ?  

So, you just did it, you used the word "scam".

Now go prove it.

This is a challenge to you, the non-"newbie" : prove that your accusation stands.
No trick allowed.
Real evidence is mandated by the gravity of your accusation.
By qualifying something of "scam", you are taking a very strong stance, and you get the responsibility of bringing solid proof in support of your accusation.
Otherwise, you've just committed libel.

Think about it, and be more careful when you accuse someone.

As far as pbmining goes, I have presented proof that it is a Ponzi, they might have some mining, but they can't have enough for all of the GS they have sold.   The proof is very easy in their case because of the 5 year contracts and the amount of power that would require compared to the cost of the GS.   Also the fact that they pay exactly what the theoretical yield is.   Anyway that is all over on the https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484355.0 thread.

With lunamine, I tried them early on, wasn't impressed with what they were doing and they were clearly hiding information.   That coupled with deals too good to be true clearly equals a scam in my mine.   Add in the current events and you would have to be pretty crazy to trust them.  

As for you, you clearly don't even seem to understand the concept of libel.  You are just trying to bully people into not speaking their minds.  These forums exist to talk about these types of issues.  Something is seriously wrong with what you are doing.  

[RealMalatesta]

Me too, but I still don't have enough information to decide whether this is a scam or not.

Then do your homework.

This is irrelevant to the question "is it a scam ?" and does not bring information as to what did happen.
The operator being attacked and/or having sustained loss of, for example, his private PC, thus preventing him to contact anyone, would be another equally valid speculation.
There is another fact which would plead in favor of incapacitation of the operator : the wallet remains untouched to this date (and should be closely monitored). Leaving the money in the chest is hardly running away with it, and is even an element of doubt as to whether it is a scam.

It is relevant. Something is not in my possession anymore. What you are saying is: If someone is being defrauded, you can't call it fraud until you have all facts together. This is plain wrong. If you can not get back your money, you normally go to the police and file a complaint. Then the police does the research. Then the judge tells you, if you are right or wrong. What you say is basically: "We have to protect fraudsters all over the world."

Unconclusive : I've seen many very small companies either registered under a different name, or being still in the process of being registered. This does not allow to reach a conclusion.

Okay, which company in Sweden has been running an operation while still being registered? Have you talked to the You are only speculating. not bringing ANY evidence. Have you talked to the people at Bolagsverket? I know you haven't because then you would know that no company is in the proceeding of being registered at the given address.

Indeed, but that could also very possibly be because it is someone who doesn't want to be harassed or pay taxes on crypto-currencies revenue. There is a greater proportion of people wanting their privacy to remain undisturbed in the bitcoin-related field than in the general population. Although I don't take extraordinary steps to hide my real-life identity, I'm not publishing it either, for I value some degree of privacy.

You are in the nice field of speculation.

Speculation. How do you know whether someone opens an email or not ? Did you hack into those yahoo accounts ?
Most probably, you simply don't know.

You say you are an investigator and don't know how to find out if someone is accessing the mail account at Yahoo? I do know and have the evidence, while you prove that you do not know anything about investigative work.

Untrue. There are several persons using that name, in Europe and elsewhere.

Would you mind sharing this information with me? If necessary also by PM. Maybe I have to be more precise: I only checked in Europe for persons of age. But you seem just to speculate...

Irrelevant. There are many ways to attack, or more generally put a server offline, and I didn't allude to a DDOS.

He did mention ddos. And this, while he was obviously able to send out mail. And: He sent out mails via his Yahoo-account...

Well, shit happens. I could for example illustrate that Bitmain did not send me my coupons for the S3 batch 1, but that doesn't make scammers of them.

Bitmain hasn't anything to do with Lunamine. Did Lunamine pay or not? Stick with the facts.

This not a proof at all. The operator could be prevented to inform lunamine customers, for any reason including loss of passwords, data, theft of identity etc.
As for the fake registration data, well, why not, that would be a (somewhat ill-advised, indeed) way to keep some privacy.

Speculation. Stick with the facts.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that you made an unfounded accusation without evidence to back it up.
Not knowing the identity of someone you harm the reputation of is not a justification to do so.

Lol, you are really not knowing anything about any legal system, right?

Who's reputation did I harm? looool? Name him. Her. It.

I can say that Winnetou Speckdrosselflug is a total fraudster. Because he does not exist.

You basically are protecting fraudster with your "argumentation" - victims have to do the research, in your opinion, then go and file a lawsuit, presenting all the evidence. I don't know in which country you are living in. But in the civilized world, if a contract is broken and you can't get your funds anymore, you go to the police and the police does the investigation. Then the judge does decide wether or not it is fraud. But you would file a criminal complaint, thus indicating that you are convinced that it is fraud.

[jjc326]

In addition to criminal investigation you can do a civil one in my country. You can get information, issue seubpoemss for information and then recover what you lost. The problem here would be proving what funds are owned by lunamine and then being able to seize the funds.

[odlal]

FYI : A thread was started recently in the "Scam Accusations" section ...

Title : "Lunamine.com is a BIG SCAM - Scammed Customer and Forum Members"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739917.0

[Acidyo]

I really hope no one is still waiting for OP to come back and give you the new address... It's not happening guys. It was a good planned scam and it got all of us.

[dyask]

I really hope no one is still waiting for OP to come back and give you the new address... It's not happening guys. It was a good planned scam and it got all of us.

Well he could come back as a newbie claiming it really isn't a scam ... 

[roslinpl]

I cannot believe Lunamine didn't came back to us...


What a silly scammer he/they are.

[crk]

I refuse to say that i have lost $1600.. I still have some faith that lunamine will appear soon explaining all yhis shit and paying  everything :-(

[roslinpl]

I refuse to say that i have lost $1600.. I still have some faith that lunamine will appear soon explaining all yhis shit and paying  everything :-(

we all want that to happen but seems like Lunamine don't care about us and he is counting his coins which he stole.

But the world is small and all of the scammers will get their karma one day.

[Armed]

So this turned out to be a scam then?

That's a shame. Atleast I didn't invest anything, and they did actually pay me for the referrals I made.

[Zyborg]

Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.

He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.

[Acidyo]

Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.

He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.

No one has received anything, I'm pretty sure this was just a way for him to get more time to cover his tracks before people starting hunting him down.

Guess it's too late though, I feel sorry for an IRL friend of mine who started mining with them and spent his only bitcoins into it, now he has lost faith in btc for the wrong reasons...

[wealthy$]

I dont know if anybody have noticed that lunamine site is completely offline.

[RealMalatesta]

I dont know if anybody have noticed that lunamine site is completely offline.

I don't know if you ever read this thread. Uh, wait. I DO know... :-p

[dekodoge]

NEWS UPDATE: All your money went to the MOOOOOON.

[RealMalatesta]

NEWS UPDATE: All your money went to the MOOOOOON.

NEWS UPDATE: You can pay the trip to the moon with Bitcoins (you don't have anymore)

[Zyborg]

Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.

He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.

No one has received anything, I'm pretty sure this was just a way for him to get more time to cover his tracks before people starting hunting him down.

Guess it's too late though, I feel sorry for an IRL friend of mine who started mining with them and spent his only bitcoins into it, now he has lost faith in btc for the wrong reasons...

He did give a real address if anyone wants to check it out. Probably not his but it was a Swedish address and the site owner does seem to be located there according to scam advisor etc.

[5ick3uffalo]

Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.

He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.

No one has received anything, I'm pretty sure this was just a way for him to get more time to cover his tracks before people starting hunting him down.

Guess it's too late though, I feel sorry for an IRL friend of mine who started mining with them and spent his only bitcoins into it, now he has lost faith in btc for the wrong reasons...

He did give a real address if anyone wants to check it out. Probably not his but it was a Swedish address and the site owner does seem to be located there according to scam advisor etc.

If you watch the adress in google street view you must laugh. I warned and posted screenshots a while back in the PBMINING thread some months ago.

[kaloryczny]

if something is done to get back recover the money? , Theft is theft, simply inform the special police in Sweden and they will find him.
I don't need money back , if hi will go to prison

[arieq]

I have signed up for a 7 day free trial but it's not activated yet, please check.

my ref link http://ourdomain.com/7

I was the first one to reply in this thread, so glad I didn't invest much here, feel sorry for those who lost their hard earned money.

p.s I never edited my post above, so strange that lunamine.com has been edited by someone to ourdomain.com ?

[Zyborg]

if something is done to get back recover the money? , Theft is theft, simply inform the special police in Sweden and they will find him.
I don't need money back , if hi will go to prison

Unfortunately it's not that easy, as the investments are made in bitcoins. My guess is that as far as the police is
concerned, he might as well have stolen someones money in an online game, or the likes.

He's not gonna get caught for fraud.

The only thing someone could possibly do is to pay a visit to his house, then again the adress he gave is with 99% certainty not his.

Edit: Nope it's not his / his company's adress. Sorry fellas.

Gotta be more careful with them investments :/

[crk]

almost 1 week without any news from lunamine 

[Farmer17]

almost 1 week without any news from lunamine 

Sorry for all your losses, but I don't think you will hear anything from lunamine any more.
They were gone already...

[Muhammed Zakir]

almost 1 week without any news from lunamine 

I think it was a scam. If it wasn't, he can at-least say something. He didn't even logged in after August 13.

Kindly,
       MZ

[5ick3uffalo]

It has SCAM written all over it, ALWAYS do your research before investing!

Google Street View and the fact that they did put the BTC earning numbers inside manuelly (lol) was enough evidence for me.

Sorry for your losses but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg

[kaloryczny]

sory 5ick3uffalo but your trust is -4, and I will not comment the speech of someone with that a miserable reputation and any other gangsters .
 if there is a person on this forum from Sweden, let not care about such speeches, and let them report the incident to the  Sweden police. police certainly would know what to do

fraudster can mystify all, no one has the right to steal from anyone

[crk]

i don't know why but i still have some faith on me that lunamine is gonna show himself soon explaning all this shit and paying us (blind fucking faith )

[5ick3uffalo]

sory 5ick3uffalo but your trust is -4, and I will not comment the speech of someone with that a miserable reputation and any other gangsters .
 if there is a person on this forum from Sweden, let not care about such speeches, and let them report the incident to the  Sweden police. police certainly would know what to do

fraudster can mystify all, no one has the right to steal from anyone

My trust Level is -4 because back in march i spoke about cloud mining, PB Mining in Particular and a german moderator here said i would advertise unprofitable cloud mining.

He should have invested back then instead talking grap, he would have positive ROI now.

Numbers don´t lie and even when showed him evidence he not deleted the comment and trust level.

SO this -4 means NOTHING. i was right, he was wrong.

[5ick3uffalo]

Their Adress was (never was/is ) Timmermansgatan 16 in Luleå / Sweden.

If you want a good laugh, use google street view.

Scam if you ask me, very very poor one. Never would invest a single satoshi here, i would say money gone 99.9% sure someday.

I could be wrong but thats the feeling i had when i first saw this company and digged little bit deeper.

[RealMalatesta]

Their Adress was (never was/is ) Timmermansgatan 16 in Luleå / Sweden.

If you want a good laugh, use google street view.

Scam if you ask me, very very poor one. Never would invest a single satoshi here, i would say money gone 99.9% sure someday.

I could be wrong but thats the feeling i had when i first saw this company and digged little bit deeper.

Well, next time I do the digging first and then make my educated decisions 

[oliversl]

Blind faith, that is why all these scam happens.

i don't know why but i still have some faith on me that lunamine is gonna show himself soon explaning all this shit and paying us (blind fucking faith )

[crk]

Blind faith, that is why all these scam happens.

i don't know why but i still have some faith on me that lunamine is gonna show himself soon explaning all this shit and paying us (blind fucking faith )

What else can i do? :-/

[jjc326]

Blind faith, that is why all these scam happens.

i don't know why but i still have some faith on me that lunamine is gonna show himself soon explaning all this shit and paying us (blind fucking faith )

What else can i do? :-/

I invested a week of time, never would have put more into this type of crappy company.  You need to get evidence before investing, and this type of thing is always possibly a scam as there's no oversight of it.  That's why BTC is prime for a lot of scams.

[kaloryczny]

I found the website of the Swedish Police with email address, there is the address of the branch dealing with international crimes. I will try this week to write them, I do not know if anything will do but the information given. not be forgotten that the devious thief is a thief

[Armed]

I found the website of the Swedish Police with email address, there is the address of the branch dealing with international crimes. I will try this week to write them, I do not know if anything will do but the information given. not be forgotten that the devious thief is a thief

It won't help you.

The swedish police can't do anything because you simply won't have any information to provide them with.
Best shot would pay someone to dox him and then find him yourself, and that'll probably be impossible as well.

[crk]

I found the website of the Swedish Police with email address, there is the address of the branch dealing with international crimes. I will try this week to write them, I do not know if anything will do but the information given. not be forgotten that the devious thief is a thief

It won't help you.

The swedish police can't do anything because you simply won't have any information to provide them with.
Best shot would pay someone to dox him and then find him yourself, and that'll probably be impossible as well.

but at least is something!

[jjc326]

I thought we were making dox progress but I guess not.  Might as well report to police but do we even know if he was definitely in Sweden?  I think the address they gave was NOT correct?  But maybe they knew it was a dummy address so they lived close by.

[btcmner]

I thought we were making dox progress but I guess not.  Might as well report to police but do we even know if he was definitely in Sweden?  I think the address they gave was NOT correct?  But maybe they knew it was a dummy address so they lived close by.

After more than 10 days of inactivity, someone just added nearly 50 btc to lunamine's wallet :
https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e

[dekodoge]

I thought we were making dox progress but I guess not.  Might as well report to police but do we even know if he was definitely in Sweden?  I think the address they gave was NOT correct?  But maybe they knew it was a dummy address so they lived close by.

After more than 10 days of inactivity, someone just added nearly 50 btc to lunamine's wallet :
https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e

very odd, maybe this is some money coming back from that problem he reported?

are you sure that's lunamine wallet?

[RealMalatesta]

I thought we were making dox progress but I guess not.  Might as well report to police but do we even know if he was definitely in Sweden?  I think the address they gave was NOT correct?  But maybe they knew it was a dummy address so they lived close by.

After more than 10 days of inactivity, someone just added nearly 50 btc to lunamine's wallet :
https://blockchain.info/address/15YoDfLcYWpY39C5eHANviTj1CjQ75UH5e

very odd, maybe this is some money coming back from that problem he reported?

are you sure that's lunamine wallet?

Okay, this is a first lead... this was probably a very stupid thing by the scammer :-)

[RealMalatesta]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam. However, the guy behind it obviously lost track of what he's doing. So he didn't realize that he left some very odd traces. I'm putting a report together for the police and will hand this out to them next week.

So if anybody has lost money, please inform me about it.

Thanks

[btcmner]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam.

Not only we don't know whether it is a scam or not, but now you are imagining a "bigger scam".
This is speculation on top of speculation.
This is not the right way to investigate.

For all we know, the operator might still be in the process of recovering from the loss of personal information at the moment.
We simply don't know.

The fact that the wallet has not been emptied yet may be a good sign, as the operator may still be in possession of the wallet private key.

My own chain of speculations, partly based on facts, is the following :

I investigated a bit on the off-side, it appears the operator's account still exists on the shared server he was using for the web site.
That server contained (past tense) both the web site and the mail server, and was (and still is) poorly protected.

Putting all one's eggs in a single basket is a big mistake : once the web site account had been cracked, all the attacker had to do was to change the password and authenticate when a DNS transfer email verification became necessary, thus robbing the legitimate owner of the domain name property.

From that, the allusions made by user lunamine to an attack and to blackmail, as well as the impossibility to log into this forum ever since, since the email address used was most probably something@lunamine.com, can easily be conceived.

I'd really like the Lunamine operator to resurface, even under another account if access to the current one has become impossible, to clear things up.

Up until now, though, I still can't honestly come to the conclusion that it is a scam. As far as I know, the hypothesis of an attack resulting in at the very minimum blackmail over the site or even the customer database is a solid possibilty.

What is more unclear is whether the operator could salvage the customer data or it was definitely lost, a tragic event which his silence would be a symptom of.

[RealMalatesta]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam.

Not only we don't know whether it is a scam or not, but now you are imagining a "bigger scam".
This is speculation on top of speculation.
This is not the right way to investigate.

For all we know, the operator might still be in the process of recovering from the loss of personal information at the moment.
We simply don't know.

The fact that the wallet has not been emptied yet may be a good sign, as the operator may still be in possession of the wallet private key.

My own chain of speculations, partly based on facts, is the following :

I investigated a bit on the off-side, it appears the operator's account still exists on the shared server he was using for the web site.
That server contained (past tense) both the web site and the mail server, and was (and still is) poorly protected.

Putting all one's eggs in a single basket is a big mistake : once the web site account had been cracked, all the attacker had to do was to change the password and authenticate when a DNS transfer email verification became necessary, thus robbing the legitimate owner of the domain name property.

From that, the allusions made by user lunamine to an attack and to blackmail, as well as the impossibility to log into this forum ever since, since the email address used was most probably something@lunamine.com, can easily be conceived.

I'd really like the Lunamine operator to resurface, even under another account if access to the current one has become impossible, to clear things up.

Up until now, though, I still can't honestly come to the conclusion that it is a scam. As far as I know, the hypothesis of an attack resulting in at the very minimum blackmail over the site or even the customer database is a solid possibilty.

What is more unclear is whether the operator could salvage the customer data or it was definitely lost, a tragic event which his silence would be a symptom of.

Nice sermon.

[jjc326]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam.

Not only we don't know whether it is a scam or not, but now you are imagining a "bigger scam".
This is speculation on top of speculation.
This is not the right way to investigate.

For all we know, the operator might still be in the process of recovering from the loss of personal information at the moment.
We simply don't know.

The fact that the wallet has not been emptied yet may be a good sign, as the operator may still be in possession of the wallet private key.

My own chain of speculations, partly based on facts, is the following :

I investigated a bit on the off-side, it appears the operator's account still exists on the shared server he was using for the web site.
That server contained (past tense) both the web site and the mail server, and was (and still is) poorly protected.

Putting all one's eggs in a single basket is a big mistake : once the web site account had been cracked, all the attacker had to do was to change the password and authenticate when a DNS transfer email verification became necessary, thus robbing the legitimate owner of the domain name property.

From that, the allusions made by user lunamine to an attack and to blackmail, as well as the impossibility to log into this forum ever since, since the email address used was most probably something@lunamine.com, can easily be conceived.

I'd really like the Lunamine operator to resurface, even under another account if access to the current one has become impossible, to clear things up.

Up until now, though, I still can't honestly come to the conclusion that it is a scam. As far as I know, the hypothesis of an attack resulting in at the very minimum blackmail over the site or even the customer database is a solid possibilty.

What is more unclear is whether the operator could salvage the customer data or it was definitely lost, a tragic event which his silence would be a symptom of.

Nice sermon.

Give me a break newbie.  Yes, maybe he couldn't log into his bitcointalk account.  Whatever could he do then if he wanted to communicate with us?  Oh, he could make a new account you say?  Why would anyone "stick up" for lunamine at this point?

[apsvinet]

I thought we were making dox progress but I guess not.  Might as well report to police but do we even know if he was definitely in Sweden?  I think the address they gave was NOT correct?  But maybe they knew it was a dummy address so they lived close by.

http://www.scamadviser.com/is-lunamine.com-safe.html

I'm 99% sure he's from sweden, given he could name a city and a street, also with the link above as a lead.

[kaloryczny]

http://polisen.se/en/Languages/The-Swedish-Police/Contact-us/

Contacting the Police

[manureal21]

It is clear that if more than ten days it takes the closed page has not been in contact with just a message in the forum, it is a scam in the making. What you have to start somewhere, and if we do something together it's time to see what size we are talking scam, and see that channels follow, because everything else is losing valuable time. In my case I am Spanish and have been two payments of 0.251 btc 200 gh.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7165f05305b85e4563568a4b4e98618cc8a36fededb388b4067d405fe4375e5d

https://blockchain.info/tx/cc17f26e2cc593bb11641b850141c546ae3e217425348cf208b2bfdf8a709eea

A greeting.

[Sarahiko]

I have seen and read about this cloud mining thing and all that`s come out of it is pure scam, why not settle down on Ghash.io or Cex.io they are well known.

[Yuki1988]

I have seen and read about this cloud mining thing and all that`s come out of it is pure scam, why not settle down on Ghash.io or Cex.io they are well known.

The reason that people used lunamine was mainly due to its low price.
The price for 1 GH/s is 0.0025 on lunamine while it is ~0.0038 on cex.io.

[manureal21]

Mainly as in all investments, it is spread risks, and on the way the famous 51% is avoided. The solution is not to focus on investing in the most reliable companies, and close the doors to which can also be honored over time. The question is to find the formula for time to discover the possible scam companies, and to make it public. We are now focused on this company has cheated us all, and if not, you are already taking in explanation. Greetings.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I have seen and read about this cloud mining thing and all that`s come out of it is pure scam, why not settle down on Ghash.io or Cex.io they are well known.

The reason that people used lunamine was mainly due to its low price.
The price for 1 GH/s is 0.0025 on lunamine while it is ~0.0038 on cex.io.

You are right. But people don't know how much the profit is in cex.io as we can sell GHs. So we can earn BTC with our GHs via mining and then through trading. I hope they will know it sooner.

Kindly,
       MZ

[coinableS]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam.

Not only we don't know whether it is a scam or not, but now you are imagining a "bigger scam".
This is speculation on top of speculation.
This is not the right way to investigate.

For all we know, the operator might still be in the process of recovering from the loss of personal information at the moment.
We simply don't know.

The fact that the wallet has not been emptied yet may be a good sign, as the operator may still be in possession of the wallet private key.

My own chain of speculations, partly based on facts, is the following :

I investigated a bit on the off-side, it appears the operator's account still exists on the shared server he was using for the web site.
That server contained (past tense) both the web site and the mail server, and was (and still is) poorly protected.

Putting all one's eggs in a single basket is a big mistake : once the web site account had been cracked, all the attacker had to do was to change the password and authenticate when a DNS transfer email verification became necessary, thus robbing the legitimate owner of the domain name property.

From that, the allusions made by user lunamine to an attack and to blackmail, as well as the impossibility to log into this forum ever since, since the email address used was most probably something@lunamine.com, can easily be conceived.

I'd really like the Lunamine operator to resurface, even under another account if access to the current one has become impossible, to clear things up.

Up until now, though, I still can't honestly come to the conclusion that it is a scam. As far as I know, the hypothesis of an attack resulting in at the very minimum blackmail over the site or even the customer database is a solid possibilty.

What is more unclear is whether the operator could salvage the customer data or it was definitely lost, a tragic event which his silence would be a symptom of.

Wow now that's quite a stretch.... It's clearly a scam, there is no assumption. It's pretty clear to most that this is criminal.

[leozabala0]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam. However, the guy behind it obviously lost track of what he's doing. So he didn't realize that he left some very odd traces. I'm putting a report together for the police and will hand this out to them next week.

So if anybody has lost money, please inform me about it.

Thanks

I had lost $1600.- (2,70 BTC, 1,2GHz). Mi mail es leo.euskal@hotmail.com

I am at your disposal for any question

Thanks

[jarif]

Okay, it seems now that Lunamine is part of a bigger scam. However, the guy behind it obviously lost track of what he's doing. So he didn't realize that he left some very odd traces. I'm putting a report together for the police and will hand this out to them next week.

So if anybody has lost money, please inform me about it.

Thanks

I had lost $1600.- (2,70 BTC, 1,2GHz). Mi mail es leo.euskal@hotmail.com

I am at your disposal for any question

Thanks

What has your computers gigahertz to do with this?

[ml73]

I think he means, 1200 Ghs/1,2Ths....

[BTCat]

The lunamine situation happens at around the same time as the timetobit.com scam. Please read to see if you can find a connection. At least Sweden came up in the thread and also United Kingdom.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744692.0

[btcmner]

Wow now that's quite a stretch.... It's clearly a scam, there is no assumption. It's pretty clear to most that this is criminal.

I'm not excluding that, but I've found some elements (which I'll keep confidential for the duration of my enquiry) which make me cast a doubt, so I'm trying to investigate further. Some people here prefer sterile name calling and go straight to conclusions, but this is not the right thing to do to alleviate doubt.

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

I understand most of lunamine's (ex-)customers value their privacy and won't share the transaction IF of their payments, but if a few of them share this information, that would be very helpful.

[RealMalatesta]

Wow now that's quite a stretch.... It's clearly a scam, there is no assumption. It's pretty clear to most that this is criminal.

I'm not excluding that, but I've found some elements (which I'll keep confidential for the duration of my enquiry) which make me cast a doubt, so I'm trying to investigate further. Some people here prefer sterile name calling and go straight to conclusions, but this is not the right thing to do to alleviate doubt.

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

I understand most of lunamine's (ex-)customers value their privacy and won't share the transaction IF of their payments, but if a few of them share this information, that would be very helpful.

Hm, you say that this is not a scam for you, on the other hand, you claim that you are "investigating"? So what are you investigating then?

And: Could you post your transaction ID for your investment in Lunamine?

[btcmner]

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

Thanks for everyone's help. It seems we got somewhere.
The result is quite unexpected.
Before any announcement, though, some verification is needed.
More about that later...

[odlal]

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

Thanks for everyone's help. It seems we got somewhere.
The result is quite unexpected.
Before any announcement, though, some verification is needed.
More about that later...

I'll look forward to reading about this development !

[jjc326]

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

Thanks for everyone's help. It seems we got somewhere.
The result is quite unexpected.
Before any announcement, though, some verification is needed.
More about that later...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see. Or that you've somehow gotten lunamine to return funds haha but I doubt that. Why the suspense though, what are you protecting or whatever?

[Zyborg]

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

Thanks for everyone's help. It seems we got somewhere.
The result is quite unexpected.
Before any announcement, though, some verification is needed.
More about that later...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see. Or that you've somehow gotten lunamine to return funds haha but I doubt that. Why the suspense though, what are you protecting or whatever?

Given he actually has obtained something useful he's obviously not posting it here where the person behind Lunamine could read it.

[RealMalatesta]

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

Thanks for everyone's help. It seems we got somewhere.
The result is quite unexpected.
Before any announcement, though, some verification is needed.
More about that later...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see. Or that you've somehow gotten lunamine to return funds haha but I doubt that. Why the suspense though, what are you protecting or whatever?

Given he actually has obtained something useful he's obviously not posting it here where the person behind Lunamine could read it.

Obtained something useful? What could this be? Until now, he said that Lunamine was, in his opinion, not a scam. Now he announces something. Hm. Maybe, that he was able to help "Lunamine" to get back his domain?

The more I read, the more I am convinced that btcmner is making things up. And, surprise, surprise, right now comes "Lunamine" online, out of the blue. Of course "Lunamine" does not tell us anything substantial, but seems he is at least still alive...

[btcmner]

Given he actually has obtained something useful he's obviously not posting it here where the person behind Lunamine could read it.

Doing my best not to point the finger at innocent people by taking some time to check all the data...
Given the lynch mob atmosphere on this thread, I don't want to say anything without having a strong case.

[btcmner]

And, surprise, surprise, right now comes "Lunamine" online, out of the blue.

Really ? Where ?

[nagabeler]

And, surprise, surprise, right now comes "Lunamine" online, out of the blue.

Really ? Where ?

where where? i also waiting for this, although it seems a scam , but i really hope there is a miracle 

[btcmner]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

[RealMalatesta]

And, surprise, surprise, right now comes "Lunamine" online, out of the blue.

Really ? Where ?

He logged into one of his e-mail accounts.

[btcmner]

He logged into one of his e-mail accounts.

How would you know that ?

[Zyborg]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

This isn't helpful at all, if you got information, either share it or don't. PMs work if you don't want to post it publicly, just don't give any information to accounts newer than that of Lunamine.

For all we know you are Lunamine trying to direct us away from you by spreading false information.

My alarm clock tingles when you're saying it's not Sweden.

[Armed]

And, surprise, surprise, right now comes "Lunamine" online, out of the blue.

Really ? Where ?

He logged into one of his e-mail accounts.

One used on the site itself?

[apsvinet]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

Couldn't you be more specific, I don't see the point of doing this unless you're trying to lead us down a wrong path?
You're making it a bit too obvious.

[btcmner]

if you got information, either share it or don't.

I told you, I want to avoid doxing, and also I want to avoid pointing fingers at innocent people.

Beside, my teasing seems to have worked, because I just received the answer I was expecting.
It seems things are going to move a bit further, now.
More later on.

[RealMalatesta]

if you got information, either share it or don't.

I told you, I want to avoid doxing, and also I want to avoid pointing fingers at innocent people.

Beside, my teasing seems to have worked, because I just received the answer I was expecting.
It seems things are going to move a bit further, now.
More later on.

You said you invested in Lunamine. When, how much and what's the id of the transaction?

[manureal21]

I have read in another forum post:

" I just stumbled upon the following post. Will this help in anyway to track down Lunamine ?
dekodoge that’s a lot of information you gathered.

I’ll give you some more information and share you a little bit of what I gathered from you  today.

I’m Gabriel Kleiman, if you google my name there are about 15,000 results. I’m not Mexican nor I sell pizzas.

I started mining back in 2011, and to be honest I have always been secretive about my operations and I’m not going to share them with you.

In february I met Esteban, a web designer,   in a  London bar, we started to talk about Bitcoin and he told me he could build our website. He showed me his portfolio and I saw other Bitcoin websites and I agree to hire him, some of these sites later turned out to be scams. I realized I didn’t want to work with this guy. But he did’t want to give me my domain back, he forced me into giving him money to recover it.  Later I found out that  he registered  my business under his name. As I write the legal mess is still going on. This guy scammed me too in other ways, that I won’t discuss as there is a legal investigation going on. Once I find this fucker I’ll share this information with other victims.

We have nothing to hide  and you connected  your “dots” just by googling this page https://support.bitcoincloudservices.com/hc/en-us/articles/202363764-Is-your-company-legit-


If we  were trying to hide something probably I wouldn’t post this information. Esteban’s name is still present in the company registration, because some names, like shareholders, can’t be changed until the next tax return date. 


About your Facebook comment, if paying for Facebook ads is “buying a load of likes from india”. I won’t deny it and I’ll tell you that I’ve did. I’ve invested part of our marketing budget in social media, paying for ads and boosting our page’s publications. If Bitcoin is big in India and you didn’t know it,  a little bit of positive research will tell you that Bitcoin is big in emerging markets.

People like you are the ones to blame that Bitcoin became a big witch hunt. But I now start to understand why you are doing what you are doing

So here is the information I’ve gathered from you, during my silence today.

I honestly believe

lunamine
ronskii
dekodoge

are the same person.

dekodoge your username is older, but around when lunamine went online you came out of the silence, and suddenly our topic, lunamine  and your little investigative report was your main interest. weird!

ronskii you pretty much came to light when lunamine showed up. you’ve been lunemine’s bigger supporter (if not the only one) and questioned everything including pbmining’s operations but never lunamine, I find this a little bit odd. and also our topic got your attention today. when if you do the math you’ll realize that they give you the lowest price but you have to pay for electricity.  I see your posting pattern and you are praising Lunamine most of the time.


It was funny to see a couple of hours ago how both ronskii dekodoge activity was going from this topic to lunamine’s but what really caught my attention was that I never saw them online at the same time. although the 3  have set the same local time.  this probably doesn’t mean anything but it’s good start to connect your “dots”. Probably after I bring  this up these patterns will change, we’ll see.

In general these 3 posting patters make sense.

One thing I tell you, you’ll get more focusing in your customers than in your competitors, and investing a little bit in social media won’t hurt  you either.

Like we mentioned in a previous post we are upgrading our referral program, and it’ll be better than our competitors, so probably there will be some tears and more of your investigative reports.

So bring it on!


We wish you the best, and we’ll focus in our mining and our customers."

[apsvinet]

if you got information, either share it or don't.

I told you, I want to avoid doxing, and also I want to avoid pointing fingers at innocent people.

Beside, my teasing seems to have worked, because I just received the answer I was expecting.
It seems things are going to move a bit further, now.
More later on.

I kinda suspect you are an alt account of Lunamine. I don't care though, but you're not making your case well.

[dekodoge]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

[apsvinet]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

Which is just another reason to suspect this information is false leads.

[btcmner]

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

Hmmm, maybe you should try to enlarge your field of vision, a side of earth is large, and the other side is as large. I purposefully gave a vague hint, in order not to give too much information to some people who are trailed, and also to avoid embarrassing them in case they haven't done anything wrong.

At the moment, I'm busy with another research, which may or may not be related. As usual, I can't give too much detail, so please bear with me.

[dyask]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

Which is just another reason to suspect this information is false leads.

There hasn't been any information given, just delays giving the scammers time to cover their tracks.

[btcmner]

just delays giving the scammers time to cover their tracks.

Absolutely, investigations do take time, and during that time caches fade and so on.
Fortunately, the good news is, this stuff is parallelisable, therefore there is a way you can help make things more rapidly : do your own investigation in parallel.
If you find interesting hints, that may accelerate the process.

[RealMalatesta]

just delays giving the scammers time to cover their tracks.

Absolutely, investigations do take time, and during that time caches fade and so on.
Fortunately, the good news is, this stuff is parallelisable, therefore there is a way you can help make things more rapidly : do your own investigation in parallel.
If you find interesting hints, that may accelerate the process.

You said you invested in Lunamine. When, how much and what's the id of the transaction?

[apsvinet]

I've been waiting for someone I contacted about this affair to come up with the answer to a very simple question.
It's now been a day without any answer to that simple question, so maybe I'll try some teasing here to motivate him, for I would prefer that person to come forward rather than having to dox anyone...

Either some identification of people or place of scammers would be the best announcement we could see.

Any name will follow later, if necessary, but for now, here is a clue : try, not Sweden, but the other side of the Earth.

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

Which is just another reason to suspect this information is false leads.

There hasn't been any information given, just delays giving the scammers time to cover their tracks.

Well. Clearly nobody invested enough into this to hire any real inter web hero to track this guy down.

[anobius]

I do not know who this kurt larsson is. When lunamine was active, this Christophe Verweire emailed me to promote lunamine in this thread.

Hello!

If you happen to be on Bitcointalk.org forum, we would appreciate you
sharing your experience using our services in our forum thread. We are not
asking for positive feedback only, if you can share any drawbacks, we are
happy to hear that so we can improve our service.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.0

Thank you!

Best regards,
Christophe, Project lead

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

[dekodoge]

I do not know who this kurt larsson is. When lunamine was active, this Christophe Verweire emailed me to promote lunamine in this thread.

Hello!

If you happen to be on Bitcointalk.org forum, we would appreciate you
sharing your experience using our services in our forum thread. We are not
asking for positive feedback only, if you can share any drawbacks, we are
happy to hear that so we can improve our service.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.0

Thank you!

Best regards,
Christophe, Project lead

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

Kurt Larsson came up on a phone number search from the domain registration details.

Do you have the header for that email, can you post and blank out your details.

[crk]

That information match exactly with what i found onto their domain

[btcmner]

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier.
Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues.

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

[odlal]

I do not know who this kurt larsson is. When lunamine was active, this Christophe Verweire emailed me to promote lunamine in this thread.

Hello!

If you happen to be on Bitcointalk.org forum, we would appreciate you
sharing your experience using our services in our forum thread. We are not
asking for positive feedback only, if you can share any drawbacks, we are
happy to hear that so we can improve our service.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.0

Thank you!

Best regards,
Christophe, Project lead

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

Do you have the header for that email, can you post and blank out your details.

Hi Anobius,

I'm with Dekodoge on this, could you please post the header to that email you've quoted, redacted of course ... sort of like this one (reply #261 to this thread) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.msg8352939#msg8352939

Thanks !

[RealMalatesta]

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier.
Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues.

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

You said you invested in Lunamine. When, how much and what's the id of the transaction?

[odlal]

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

[apsvinet]

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

[RealMalatesta]

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

[odlal]

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

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In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

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As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

 

[apsvinet]

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

 

Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share.

That's where I think you are wrong!

[odlal]

As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share.

That's where I think you are wrong!

I am waiting with "bated breath", let me tell you ... but hold no false hopes of him providing any concrete verifiable information whatsoever !

[RealMalatesta]

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

 

Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share.

That's where I think you are wrong!

I'm pretty sure he'll come back here with information. Like "The guy behind Lunamine is a Chinese wo can not be found anymore"...

[apsvinet]

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

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In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

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As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

 

Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share.

That's where I think you are wrong!

I'm pretty sure he'll come back here with information. Like "The guy behind Lunamine is a Chinese wo can not be found anymore"...

So as I'm saying no real information?

[RealMalatesta]

Come clean and tell everyone here about the trail of evidence you say you have ! It won't affect me one way or the other because I can make my own mind up about things thank you very much

Why not show us your evidence with the appropriate links so that we can confirm or refute your allegations ?

If there's bits of it you're still working on then keep that secret for now ... assuming your trail does lead somewhere eh ?

He could PM it on request, I've asked for it but he wont.

Why should he? Lunamine has obviously still enough money for paying trolls - and he seems to have been paid for posting his crap. I can not imagine that anybody would write such bullshit without being paid...

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In order to help with my investigation, I would appreciate if people who made payments to lunamine could send me via PM or even in this thread the transaction ID of their payments. I may be able to do something from there. A mixer was used, but something else happened which might give some directions.

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As a Matter of Principle : Because he (Btcmner) has previously asked for information from people here then he should be willing to reciprocate and do likewise shouldn't he ?

 

Oh, but you're assuming he HAS information to share.

That's where I think you are wrong!

I'm pretty sure he'll come back here with information. Like "The guy behind Lunamine is a Chinese wo can not be found anymore"...

So as I'm saying no real information?

Just a guess 

[dekodoge]

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier.
Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues.

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

i get as far as http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/ being the parent company of the hosting for lunamine.

[Nimbuss]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

[CoinFire]

using map tunneler that would be the pacific ocean.

Hmmm, maybe you should try to enlarge your field of vision, a side of earth is large, and the other side is as large. I purposefully gave a vague hint, in order not to give too much information to some people who are trailed, and also to avoid embarrassing them in case they haven't done anything wrong.

At the moment, I'm busy with another research, which may or may not be related. As usual, I can't give too much detail, so please bear with me.

Are you willing to give the information you have obtained so far over to us and we can help you vet it and provide everyone here with an update it is at least a real lead?

We've been trusted to break stories by the CEO of 1-800-Flowers etc so we have some experience dealing with this sort of thing and protecting all parties involved.

[anobius]

I do not know who this kurt larsson is. When lunamine was active, this Christophe Verweire emailed me to promote lunamine in this thread.

Hello!

If you happen to be on Bitcointalk.org forum, we would appreciate you
sharing your experience using our services in our forum thread. We are not
asking for positive feedback only, if you can share any drawbacks, we are
happy to hear that so we can improve our service.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315.0

Thank you!

Best regards,
Christophe, Project lead

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

Kurt Larsson came up on a phone number search from the domain registration details.

Do you have the header for that email, can you post and blank out your details.

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[odlal]

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The Mail Server IP address is the same : 37.61.237.213

A different workstation IP address : 37.221.169.149

So probably just using some sort of a Proxy ... I s'pose it's best then for interested parties / super sleuths to contact the Hosting company of their apparent Mail Server eh ?

One could hope it wasn't setup or paid for anonymously ...

Well I just google'd "Landmark House, Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN, 37.61.237.213" and it seems as though there are lots and lots companies registered there !!! Hrmpphhh  

https://www.opencompany.co.uk/company-by-postcode/ln1-3sn

And now looking at a Google Streetview of the address (dated October 2012) :

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.244946,-0.537991,3a,75y,83.88h,91.77t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sNXRWUddVPZ9wl2JJTfW05A!2e0!6m1!1e1

A company of Chartered Accountants called "Russell Payne & Co Ltd" appear to be the current tenants !

http://russellpayne.co.uk/book-here/

So where are all the other companies hiding lol

[odlal]

I did get other support emails referencing this Christophe. So this guy seems to be the one running the operation? project lead?

If I may, that Christophe name is likely to be an alias, as we found out earlier.
Also the "Kurt Larsson" name arrived in the mix because of a reverse lookup on the telephone number which was included in the DNS record, but actually this too is very likely to be fabricated, and the persons who, in the real world, bear these names (one "Christophe" is a completely unrelated dutch citizen, while Mr. K. Larsson is an aged 72 years old person who happens to be living in Lulea) have had their share of annoyance because of these false clues.

There is a very serious piece of data that may constitute a solid starting point, if put in relation with other elements of information gathered elsewhere : find detailed information about the company which was hosting the website. In order not to influence you, I won't tell more about this for now, but if you manage to find which company (which might be part of a larger group, so prepare to go deep in the level of details, and do not stop at the highest level), and the details of how they make business, that would be quite helpful.

i get as far as http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/ being the parent company of the hosting for lunamine.

Could you say how you singled out "WebHostingBuzz" please ? I've found it listed as one of the companies at the "Landmark House" address via the name of "Host Lincoln Ltd" ...  but only as one of many.

Thanks !

[dyask]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

Wow another newbie with a worthless post!  Are you a lunamine alias?  You are also incorrect.   Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen 

I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP.  It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year.   For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted.

[Zyborg]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

Wow another newbie with a worthless post!  Are you a lunamine alias?  You are also incorrect.   Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen 

I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP.  It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year.   For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted.

So you're going to to track the admin down? Good luck.

[dyask]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back. This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

Wow another newbie with a worthless post!  Are you a lunamine alias?  You are also incorrect.   Just look at what happen in BTC-Arbs when the administrator of the plan was tracked down.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.0;topicseen 

I for one did get my deposit back out of that HYIP.  It took time and refunds are still going on and probably will for another year.   For this operation I didn't invest because it was too strange for me from the beginning and I'm not saying people will get there money back, but tracking down people that ran lunamine.com would at least yield some satisfaction and might allow for them to be sued or prosecuted.

So you're going to to track the admin down? Good luck.

Never said I would do that, I don't have any skin in this game.    I'm just pointing out it has been done before.    Newbies telling people to give up or just stalling could even be aliases of lunamine.   

[btcmner]

From: "Christophe Verweihe" <christophe@lunamine.com>

Did you notice ?
Who makes a typo in their own name ?

[btcmner]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back.

Don't be so negative, some of us are trying, and some amount of progress is actually being made while people are talking...

This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Actually, they could have actually had mining hardware, as far as I can tell.
The question here is rather, did they sell more than they own, and why did the operation end so abruptly.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

Frankly, this is out of place.
And, I've got a hunch that PB Mining may have some very solid insurance mechanism against failure.

[apsvinet]

What a shame what they did. Hope you poor people realize that there is nothing that can be done, nothing will give you your money back.

Don't be so negative, some of us are trying, and some amount of progress is actually being made while people are talking...

This is what happens when you invest in cloud mining while they have no proof they own any hardware at all.

Actually, they could have actually had mining hardware, as far as I can tell.
The question here is rather, did they sell more than they own, and why did the operation end so abruptly.

Just waiting for PBMining to crash like this

Frankly, this is out of place.
And, I've got a hunch that PB Mining may have some very solid insurance mechanism against failure.

He meant crash as in running away with the investments, their hardware
is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.

[dekodoge]

That IP from above mail headers

https://stat.ripe.net/37.221.169.128-37.221.169.159?sourceapp=ripedb#tabId=at-a-glance

VPN service in Germany.


The hosting company for the lunamine domain was host Lincoln

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/contact.php

Host Lincoln Ltd t/a WebHostingBuzz.co.uk
1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN
Company Registration: 06111631
VAT Registration: GB 994 2903 80

this is the UK arm

The parent is

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/

[btcmner]

their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.

And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business.

[odlal]

The hosting company for the lunamine domain was host Lincoln

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/contact.php

Host Lincoln Ltd t/a WebHostingBuzz.co.uk
1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN
Company Registration: 06111631
VAT Registration: GB 994 2903 80

this is the UK arm

The parent is

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/

Hi Dekodoge

Could I ask please : What makes you so certain of the link between the Lunamine domain and Host Lincoln / WebHostingBuzz ?

If you could possibly share a URL to highlight such a connection I'd be very grateful !

Or perhaps you've contacted them already ?

Cheers,
Odlal 

 

[Armed]

their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.

And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business.

There are very many posts with elaborate proof of PBMining being a ponzi, they simply can't have as much hashing power as they have sold to their customers. This is no problem though, as long as they keep paying out what they promise.

Just remember that during the first week they outright refused to provide proof that they even had a single mining rig because "they didn't need to".

[dekodoge]

The hosting company for the lunamine domain was host Lincoln

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/contact.php

Host Lincoln Ltd t/a WebHostingBuzz.co.uk
1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN
Company Registration: 06111631
VAT Registration: GB 994 2903 80

this is the UK arm

The parent is

http://www.webhostingbuzz.com/

Hi Dekodoge

Could I ask please : What makes you so certain of the link between the Lunamine domain and Host Lincoln / WebHostingBuzz ?

If you could possibly share a URL to highlight such a connection I'd be very grateful !

Or perhaps you've contacted them already ?

Cheers,
Odlal 

 

Spoon fed much!!!!


do a ripe lookup on the ip 37.61.237.213

www.ripe.net

role:            LayerIP NOC
address:         Landmark House, 1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN, UK
admin-c:         LRIP-RIPE
tech-c:          ARKH8-RIPE
nic-hdl:         LRIP-RIPE
mnt-by:          MNT-LAYERIP
source:          RIPE # Filtered

Click on LRIP-RIPE

role:            LayerIP NOC
address:         Landmark House, 1 Riseholme Road, Lincoln, LN1 3SN, UK
e-mail:          vendors@webhostingbuzz.com
admin-c:         LRIP-RIPE
tech-c:          ARKH8-RIPE
nic-hdl:         LRIP-RIPE
mnt-by:          MNT-LAYERIP
changed:         vendors@webhostingbuzz.com 20120118
source:          RIPE

That is just one way to link them back.


ore google.

"Host Lincoln Limited"

First hit

Web Hosting | Reseller Hosting | VPS | Dedicated Servers
www.webhostingbuzz.co.uk/
Industry leading provider of Web Hosting, Reseller Hosting, VPS Hosting and ... 5* rated web hosting. ... Host Lincoln Limited t/a WebHostingBuzz.co.uk.
‎UK Hosting - ‎Reseller Hosting - ‎UK Dedicated Servers - ‎VPS Hosting

and then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebHostingBuzz

In 2012, WebHostingBuzz announced plans for major expansion in Europe, operating as WebHostingBuzz.co.uk,

[Didldak]

their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.

And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business.

What? Do you seriously believe that PBMining is NOT a ponzi scheme? You cannot be serious.

[dyask]

their hardware is not going to crash, most likely because they have none, it's a ponzi.

And with the same amount of evidence you just showed, I can as well say you're a shill paid by some of their competitors to dump heaps of garbage on public forums about them, in order to ruin their reputation and their business.

What? Do you seriously believe that PBMining is NOT a ponzi scheme? You cannot be serious.

At one point a few months ago, the amount they were charging didn't even cover the power needed for two years after buying the cheapest possible hardware.   However is the S3's out those same calculations probably don't work.  Still they wouldn't have funds to upgrade the hardware.    

[odlal]

Spoon fed much!!!!

LMAO 

Click on LRIP-RIPE

Ahhhhh ! Thank you very much 

 

[dekodoge]

Spoon fed much!!!!

LMAO 

Click on LRIP-RIPE

Ahhhhh ! Thank you very much 

 

still no further on, it seems people who were scammed have just given up on getting their BTC back.

[btcmner]

still no further on, it seems people who were scammed have just given up on getting their BTC back.

No no, some are still tracking leads, it takes a lot of time, but things are making progress...

[odlal]

No no, some are still tracking leads, it takes a lot of time, but things are making progress...

Oh ? Care to elaborate ?

 

[odlal]

Question to Forum : Has anyone reading this thread ALREADY contacted either "Host Lincoln Ltd" or "WebHostingBuzz" (or both) please ?

There doesn't seem any point in me duplicating suchlike so before I think about contacting them perhaps you'd like to share here on this thread or contact me via PM ?

Thanks A Lot !
Odlal

 

[apsvinet]

No no, some are still tracking leads, it takes a lot of time, but things are making progress...

Oh ? Care to elaborate ?

 

Elaborate is exactly what this guy doesn't want to do, trust me. :p

[Netwerked]

What? Do you seriously believe that PBMining is NOT a ponzi scheme? You cannot be serious.

At one point a few months ago, the amount they were charging didn't even cover the power needed for two years after buying the cheapest possible hardware.   However is the S3's out those same calculations probably don't work.  Still they wouldn't have funds to upgrade the hardware.    

I think the business model of PBmining depends on Moore's Law holding true.  You're buying a mining contract, not a share of specific equipment.  As time goes on, 1 GH becomes cheaper to buy and requires less electricity to operate.

I think the business model is viable without having to resort to ponzi methods.  It's my understanding that the mining equipment is outsourced in a few locations around the globe.  The locations likely have very cheap electricity.  They even have a competitor that charges slightly less.

Could the business model fail?  Sure it can.  It makes certain assumptions about the future, and those assumptions could be wrong.  I would only invest a small amount of my portfolio in any one cloud mining company (and mining in general).

Create a spreadsheet, plug in the numbers, and decide if cloud mining is worth the risk.  I think the more important question is if you think cloud mining is profitable at all.  With the current cost of contracts and the difficulty rising an average of 16% each time, I'm waiting to see what happens.

[dyask]

What? Do you seriously believe that PBMining is NOT a ponzi scheme? You cannot be serious.

At one point a few months ago, the amount they were charging didn't even cover the power needed for two years after buying the cheapest possible hardware.   However is the S3's out those same calculations probably don't work.  Still they wouldn't have funds to upgrade the hardware.    

I think the business model of PBmining depends on Moore's Law holding true.  You're buying a mining contract, not a share of specific equipment.  As time goes on, 1 GH becomes cheaper to buy and requires less electricity to operate.

I think the business model is viable without having to resort to ponzi methods.  It's my understanding that the mining equipment is outsourced in a few locations around the globe.  The locations likely have very cheap electricity.  They even have a competitor that charges slightly less.

Could the business model fail?  Sure it can.  It makes certain assumptions about the future, and those assumptions could be wrong.  I would only invest a small amount of my portfolio in any one cloud mining company (and mining in general).

Create a spreadsheet, plug in the numbers, and decide if cloud mining is worth the risk.  I think the more important question is if you think cloud mining is profitable at all.  With the current cost of contracts and the difficulty rising an average of 16% each time, I'm waiting to see what happens.

Right now 10,000 GH/s should be paying around 0.187767 BTC / day.   I see at PBMining it is .577198, okay it is Tuesday night in the States, but .577188 / .187767 = 3.073.   So PBMining has paid out 3 days worth and no deductions for power!!!   Okay the claim is the power was paid for up front.   That may be possible but doesn't seem likely.   I know at Hashnest.com you can get 1 GH/s for .00135 BTC.   PBMining is charging .0029 BTC, a differenct of .00155 BTC ~ $.74 USD.   Let's assume they only pay $.03 / KWH which is super cheap by any countries standards.   That means they can buy 24.67 KWH.  Right now the 1 GH/s burns about 1W if you have really good hardware.   (It has to be cooled too, etc)  that means there is only enough power for 2.81 years.

This is actually much better than the last time I checked, but still far short of workable.   My assumptions don't leave any room for anything else like their cut.   

The problem is simple - The payouts are impossibly high with no variation like you get with real mining and there isn't enough left over to cover expenses.   Moore's law doesn't matter, but there isn't even enough money to buy power, let alone replace the hardware.   

[odlal]

The problem is simple - The payouts are impossibly high with no variation like you get with real mining and there isn't enough left over to cover expenses.   Moore's law doesn't matter, but there isn't even enough money to buy power, let alone replace the hardware.   

I have this one theory whereby the people behind PBMining were in it at the beginning of the Bitcoin phenomenon and have got a HUGE stash of coins ALREADY !

Now what they're doing is to "advance the cause of BTC" by making it more attractive to more and more people ...

Perhaps they're subversives who despise the current Global Banking Industry and see Bitcoin as a viable long-term alternative ?

 

[Netwerked]

Right now 10,000 GH/s should be paying around 0.187767 BTC / day.   I see at PBMining it is .577198, okay it is Tuesday night in the States, but .577188 / .187767 = 3.073.   So PBMining has paid out 3 days worth and no deductions for power!!!   Okay the claim is the power was paid for up front. 

When you buy the contract, it is stated that all fees are paid for up front.  This is not a guess or speculation, but a statement made by the company.

That may be possible but doesn't seem likely.   I know at Hashnest.com you can get 1 GH/s for .00135 BTC.   PBMining is charging .0029 BTC, a differenct of .00155 BTC ~ $.74 USD.   Let's assume they only pay $.03 / KWH which is super cheap by any countries standards.   That means they can buy 24.67 KWH.  Right now the 1 GH/s burns about 1W if you have really good hardware.   (It has to be cooled too, etc)  that means there is only enough power for 2.81 years.

I thought that really good hardware was closer to 0.5W/GH.  Even Butterfly Labs has equipment that reaches 0.7W/GH.

Let's try a mathematical example:
I buy a 1 TH contract for 2.9BTC.  At today's exchange rate of about 475 USD / BTC, that is 1,378USD.
Equipment is probably 0.60USD / GH, or $778.  That leaves 600 USD for power and profit.
At 0.5W/GH * 1,000, that's 500 watts.  In a day, that's 12kWh or 0.36USD.  In the first year, that's $132.  That leaves 468USD for years 2-5.

In year 2, they will have new equipment.  Let's assume it is 0.10 USD/GH and power is now 0.25W/GH.
Equipment cost 0.10USD/GH * 1000 = 100USD
At 0.25W/GH * 1000, that's 250 watts.  6kWh/day or 0.18USD.  In a year, that's $66.  Now there is 302USD left over.

In year 3, they will have new equipment.  Let's assume it is 0.05USD/GH and power is now 0.1W/GH
Equipment cost is 50USD, electricity is 100 watts or 2.4kWh/day or 0.07USD/day or 27USD a year. Now there is 225USD left over

Repeat for year 4 and 5, and you still have money left over.

I hear Iceland has cheap electricity, and cooling is nearly free.

This is actually much better than the last time I checked, but still far short of workable.   My assumptions don't leave any room for anything else like their cut.   

The problem is simple - The payouts are impossibly high with no variation like you get with real mining and there isn't enough left over to cover expenses.   Moore's law doesn't matter, but there isn't even enough money to buy power, let alone replace the hardware.   

It just depends on your assumptions and calculations.

[btcmner]

Even Butterfly Labs has equipment that reaches 0.7W/GH.

Ahem... Perhaps they do, but ask their customers who paid upfront a small fortune months and months ago and haven't received their hardware yet...

[dyask]

I thought that really good hardware was closer to 0.5W/GH.  Even Butterfly Labs has equipment that reaches 0.7W/GH.

I don't know of any system that gets close to .5W/GH.    Butterfly Labs isn't trustworthy and is many months behind on shipping.   The S3 from Bitman seems to be the current best on power consumption (~.7W/GH).    Even then that is just the primary power, you also have to pay for cooling.    It doesn't leave room for other maintenance costs and staff.    Also I used an impossibly low cost for electricity.    More likely it is closer to double what I used, even in Iceland.  (If that is really where they are.)

[Netwerked]

I thought that really good hardware was closer to 0.5W/GH.  Even Butterfly Labs has equipment that reaches 0.7W/GH.

I don't know of any system that gets close to .5W/GH.    Butterfly Labs isn't trustworthy and is many months behind on shipping.   The S3 from Bitman seems to be the current best on power consumption (~.7W/GH).    Even then that is just the primary power, you also have to pay for cooling.    It doesn't leave room for other maintenance costs and staff.    Also I used an impossibly low cost for electricity.    More likely it is closer to double what I used, even in Iceland.  (If that is really where they are.)

I'm not defending Butterfly Labs, but they did send an email one week ago stating that they are now shipping their outdated equipment that people paid for last year.  I'm not sure if that means everything is being shipped at once, or over a six month period.  I think if we're talking about how certain businesses can still be in business, we should be talking about BFL too.

According to https://tradeblock.com/mining/, Black Arrow and Spondoolies-Tech both have equipment that get 0.5W/GH.  I have not independently verified this, and their information has been known to contain errors.  Spondoolies-Tech's SP31 (October) is supposed to get 0.55W/GH.  Black Arrow released a press release stating that they will have 0.3W/GH equipment around the middle of next year.  There may also be other B2B mining equipment that is not widely known, or these cloud mining companies have an arrangement to buy equipment at wholesale for agreeing to purchase a minimum quantity over time.

The assumption is also that it is not necessary to pay for cooling, since the mining facility would be in Iceland, where fans can bring in cold air.  If not for that, then yes, cooling would consume significant power.

What if they have a lot of capital and mine for themselves, but sell contracts to improve their economies of scale?  The fact is that we don't know their business model.  I think if the business fails, it won't necessarily be because it is a ponzi, but because they made some risky business decisions.

[dyask]

I thought that really good hardware was closer to 0.5W/GH.  Even Butterfly Labs has equipment that reaches 0.7W/GH.

I don't know of any system that gets close to .5W/GH.    Butterfly Labs isn't trustworthy and is many months behind on shipping.   The S3 from Bitman seems to be the current best on power consumption (~.7W/GH).    Even then that is just the primary power, you also have to pay for cooling.    It doesn't leave room for other maintenance costs and staff.    Also I used an impossibly low cost for electricity.    More likely it is closer to double what I used, even in Iceland.  (If that is really where they are.)

I'm not defending Butterfly Labs, but they did send an email one week ago stating that they are now shipping their outdated equipment that people paid for last year.  I'm not sure if that means everything is being shipped at once, or over a six month period.  I think if we're talking about how certain businesses can still be in business, we should be talking about BFL too.

According to https://tradeblock.com/mining/, Black Arrow and Spondoolies-Tech both have equipment that get 0.5W/GH.  I have not independently verified this, and their information has been known to contain errors.  Spondoolies-Tech's SP31 (October) is supposed to get 0.55W/GH.  Black Arrow released a press release stating that they will have 0.3W/GH equipment around the middle of next year.  There may also be other B2B mining equipment that is not widely known, or these cloud mining companies have an arrangement to buy equipment at wholesale for agreeing to purchase a minimum quantity over time.

The assumption is also that it is not necessary to pay for cooling, since the mining facility would be in Iceland, where fans can bring in cold air.  If not for that, then yes, cooling would consume significant power.

What if they have a lot of capital and mine for themselves, but sell contracts to improve their economies of scale?  The fact is that we don't know their business model.  I think if the business fails, it won't necessarily be because it is a ponzi, but because they made some risky business decisions.

Well we are getting off topic ... The one thing I will say for PBMining is it is much better ran then lunamine was.   (However I still think they are both scams.)  
Anyway, the numbers still don't work in reality, because you can't buy power cheap enough, even at .5 W/GH for 5 years.   One year, probably, two years it is iffy.

[Netwerked]

The one thing I will say for PBMining is it is much better ran then lunamine was.

I guess that's self-evident.  One is still in business, while the other suddenly disappeared.

(However I still think they are both scams.)  

Just because we don't understand a business model doesn't automatically make it a scam.  If I understand you correctly, you think that PBmining.com does not have a sustainable business model.  Since it is not sustainable, it will eventually fail.  The solution is to not invest if you think that will be the outcome.

Anyway, the numbers still don't work in reality, because you can't buy power cheap enough, even at .5 W/GH for 5 years.   One year, probably, two years it is iffy.

In reality, the cost of maintaining 1GH today is much more expensive than it will be one year from now and beyond.  For example, one year ago, I bought a miner that cost approximately $85/GH and used 6W/GH.  The $/GH and W/GH have dropped dramatically over the past year.  I believe the business model assumes that we will have future efficiency improvements.  It is these improvements that are the key to success.  If these assumptions are wrong, then the business will fail.  Because the development of mining equipment is highly competitive, I feel safe in predicting that in one year $/GH will be 0.30USD/GH or less and that power requirements will be 0.25W/GH or less.

[xstr8guy]

Lol, I know this is a contrary post and off-topic. But I want to set a few misconceptions straight.

I bought contracts with PBMining in March and have just now reached a positive ROI. Although I don't think it would be possible now for new contracts with PBMINING to see positive ROI. Do I think it's a Ponzi? Heck, I don't know but I'm obviously not the best judge of trustworthiness since I lost 4.4BTC on Lunamine, lol.

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

[dyask]

(However I still think they are both scams.)  

Just because we don't understand a business model doesn't automatically make it a scam.  If I understand you correctly, you think that PBmining.com does not have a sustainable business model.  Since it is not sustainable, it will eventually fail.  The solution is to not invest if you think that will be the outcome.

No you misunderstand me.   I think it is a scam because the math shows they aren't backing up the GH/s with real hardware.   If they came out and said we aren't actually backing up the GH/s with hardware, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  There are many variations of that ... for example they could say when we run of funds for power we will stop mining.   The problem is they are selling 5 year contracts that can't possible work at the prices they are charging.   However it is better now than a couple months ago as there is now a lot cheaper hardware like the S3, but the number still don't add up.   It has nothing to do with business model, it is just lining up the numbers against their claims. 

I thought lunamine was a scam because I tried a trail and there were just too many questions and lack of interest in answering them in any way.   It could have worked and should have, but it was just too strange.   

By the same token I don't have a problem with what GAWMiners is doing because they aren't claiming that the Hashlets are actually mining.    Also they are interacting a lot with the community while they are building up their system.    I don't know if the business model will work or not, but I don't think it is a scam at least yet.   

I don't thing Genesis Mining is a scam as the price more than covers a possible one year contract.   I don't think it is worth the money unless one is very good at picking coins, but that is far from a scam.

[dyask]

Lol, I know this is a contrary post and off-topic. But I want to set a few misconceptions straight.

I bought contracts with PBMining in March and have just now reached a positive ROI. Although I don't think it would be possible now for new contracts with PBMINING to see positive ROI. Do I think it's a Ponzi? Heck, I don't know but I'm obviously not the best judge of trustworthiness since I lost 4.4BTC on Lunamine, lol.

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

Personally I'm happy to see you get your money out of PBMining and I hope you get a good amount of profit now.    I also agree that .7w/GH is very good by today's standards.   However, I think it will be hard to breakeven on that one.   At least you had mining since June 24th which should have helped a lot. 

[xstr8guy]

Lol, I know this is a contrary post and off-topic. But I want to set a few misconceptions straight.

I bought contracts with PBMining in March and have just now reached a positive ROI. Although I don't think it would be possible now for new contracts with PBMINING to see positive ROI. Do I think it's a Ponzi? Heck, I don't know but I'm obviously not the best judge of trustworthiness since I lost 4.4BTC on Lunamine, lol.

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

Personally I'm happy to see you get your money out of PBMining and I hope you get a good amount of profit now.    I also agree that .7w/GH is very good by today's standards.   However, I think it will be hard to breakeven on that one.   At least you had mining since June 24th which should have helped a lot. 

Yeah, there's zero chance that Monarchs will ever break even. It's not logical that I didn't take a refund. But there's still something to be said for hardware lust, lol.

[dyask]

Lol, I know this is a contrary post and off-topic. But I want to set a few misconceptions straight.

I bought contracts with PBMining in March and have just now reached a positive ROI. Although I don't think it would be possible now for new contracts with PBMINING to see positive ROI. Do I think it's a Ponzi? Heck, I don't know but I'm obviously not the best judge of trustworthiness since I lost 4.4BTC on Lunamine, lol.

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

Personally I'm happy to see you get your money out of PBMining and I hope you get a good amount of profit now.    I also agree that .7w/GH is very good by today's standards.   However, I think it will be hard to breakeven on that one.   At least you had mining since June 24th which should have helped a lot. 

Yeah, there's zero chance that Monarchs will ever break even. It's not logical that I didn't take a refund. But there's still something to be said for hardware lust, lol.

Mining lust cost me 12 BTC before I realized 100% reinvesting wasn't working out for me!   

[dekodoge]

quit with the OT posts, sheesh.

[Netwerked]

(However I still think they are both scams.)  

Just because we don't understand a business model doesn't automatically make it a scam.  If I understand you correctly, you think that PBmining.com does not have a sustainable business model.  Since it is not sustainable, it will eventually fail.  The solution is to not invest if you think that will be the outcome.

No you misunderstand me.   I think it is a scam because the math shows they aren't backing up the GH/s with real hardware.   If they came out and said we aren't actually backing up the GH/s with hardware, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  There are many variations of that ... for example they could say when we run of funds for power we will stop mining.   The problem is they are selling 5 year contracts that can't possible work at the prices they are charging.   However it is better now than a couple months ago as there is now a lot cheaper hardware like the S3, but the number still don't add up.   It has nothing to do with business model, it is just lining up the numbers against their claims. 

I agree with you partially-- yes, the hardware isn't totally real-- no, it isn't a scam.  It is true that the price per GH cannot sustain a 5 year contract with today's hardware.  PBmining.com made a statement in another thread that a mining contract would not use the same hardware for all 5 years.  Since most of the mining will take place with future hardware that doesn't exist yet, I would agree that the majority of the hardware used to support your contract is not yet real.  There is a good chance of it existing in the future.

But think of it logically.  If a contract is going to break even, it will break even within the first year, maybe even as long as the first 18 months.  People who bought a contract in February already broke even in July.  If the same difficulty increases take place, then people who bought contracts in July might never break even, receiving only 85% of their purchase price back (according to my own calculated guesses).  The other school of thought is that difficulty increases will slow down, allowing contracts purchased today to eventually become profitable.

Also, keep in mind that a "5 year contract" is mainly a marketing ploy.  With each difficulty increase, you will earn less and less.  To put things in perspective, you'll earn 98-99% of your income in the first year, 1% in the second year, and pocket change beyond that (assuming a 1TH contract).  In fact, I think a 1TH contract purchased today will only pay out for 2 years, since the amount mined will become so small that the payment can't make it through the Bitcoin network.

[dekodoge]

can you not find another thread..

This is about lunamine.

[Netwerked]

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

I would argue that the whole point of buying the hardware is to use it to make a profit.  If the current price is $1.97/GH, then it is outdated, even at 0.7W/GH.  They originally promised 0.6W/GH and a December-January delivery date.

If you preordered in August 2013, you would have paid $4,680.  Last week, they sent email stating that they are adjusting the purchase price to $1.97/GH ($1,379) for existing orders.  I really do hope they honor their word and send you a $3,301 refund (or 2 additional Monarchs and a partial refund).

[dekodoge]

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

I would argue that the whole point of buying the hardware is to use it to make a profit.  If the current price is $1.97/GH, then it is outdated, even at 0.7W/GH.  They originally promised 0.6W/GH and a December-January delivery date.

If you preordered in August 2013, you would have paid $4,680.  Last week, they sent email stating that they are adjusting the purchase price to $1.97/GH ($1,379) for existing orders.  I really do hope they honor their word and send you a $3,301 refund (or 2 additional Monarchs and a partial refund).

helo GTFO out.

all this OT stuff belongs elsewhere.

[dyask]

quit with the OT posts, sheesh.

Fair enough ... however you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread with his prattle about there isn't any proof that this or that is a scam.

However you are completely correct, lunamine has scammed the BTC out of a lot of people and that is what the focus should be.   Sorry for being off topic. 

Also OT - what is that?  On Topic, Off Topic, Over the Top, Occupational Therapy or many more possibilities?       Sorry but it doesn't make sense.   I think you mean Off Topic, but OT is unclear.

[Armed]

quit with the OT posts, sheesh.

Fair enough ... however you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread with his prattle about there isn't any proof that this or that is a scam.

However you are completely correct, lunamine has scammed the BTC out of a lot of people and that is what the focus should be.   Sorry for being off topic. 

Also OT - what is that?  On Topic, Off Topic, Over the Top, Occupational Therapy or many more possibilities?       Sorry but it doesn't make sense.   I think you mean Off Topic, but OT is unclear.

Clearly it means Off topic. Everybody knows that, that has spent a considerable amount of time on a web forum.

[btcmner]

you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread

I did not.

On the contrary I replied to someone bashing PB Mining earlier in the thread (so if you're looking for someone to "bash", go ahead and read the thread to find out who "injected" the topic), reminding in essence that it was inappropriate to conflate Luna and PB.

As for the Luna investigation, it's still ongoing, and of course it would be a mistake to say more at this stage.

[Armed]

you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread

I did not.

On the contrary I replied to someone bashing PB Mining earlier in the thread (so if you're looking for someone to "bash", go ahead and read the thread to find out who "injected" the topic), reminding in essence that it was inappropriate to conflate Luna and PB.

As for the Luna investigation, it's still ongoing, and of course it would be a mistake to say more at this stage.

Like at all other "stages".
Get a life man, srsly.

You keep claiming you got something going on when clearly no such thing exists.

[btcmner]

You keep claiming you got something going on when clearly no such thing exists.

I don't owe you anything, not even a progress report. Get over it.

However notice the irony, how prompt you are to believe something (there was a scam etc), and to disbelieve something else (the investigation is making progress), depending on your own emotional state.

The reason for which details cannot be disclosed is simple : as long as people involved don't have a clear view of how close (or far, depending on the point of view) we are from them, they're not going to panic, which is obviously much better for the investigation.

[Armed]

You keep claiming you got something going on when clearly no such thing exists.

I don't owe you anything, not even a progress report. Get over it.

However notice the irony, how prompt you are to believe something (there was a scam etc), and to disbelieve something else (the investigation is making progress), depending on your own emotional state.

The reason for which details cannot be disclosed is simple : as long as people involved don't have a clear view of how close (or far, depending on the point of view) we are from them, they're not going to panic, which is obviously much better for the investigation.

Then stop posting useless updates in this thread. You're clearly just looking for attention, get over yourself.

Also, to add, I haven't lost anything to LunaMine, on the contrary - they paid me roughly 50 USD for referral work.

[xstr8guy]

BFL have actually delivered my Monarch about a week ago. I was a first day preorder (Aug 17th 2013). I was supposed to be shipped a second "free" Monarch at the same time but am still waiting for that. I also had 600GHs of compensation cloudmining since June 24th that was shutdown today. Yes, the current price is WAY too high at $1.97 per GHs but the Monarch is not outdated tech. It uses .7w/GHs which is still competitive with current generation miners from KNC, Bitmain and Spoondoolies.

I would argue that the whole point of buying the hardware is to use it to make a profit.  If the current price is $1.97/GH, then it is outdated, even at 0.7W/GH.  They originally promised 0.6W/GH and a December-January delivery date.

If you preordered in August 2013, you would have paid $4,680.  Last week, they sent email stating that they are adjusting the purchase price to $1.97/GH ($1,379) for existing orders.  I really do hope they honor their word and send you a $3,301 refund (or 2 additional Monarchs and a partial refund).

They actually have honored their word... kinda. I'm still waiting for the second free Monarch and the partial refund.

I'm as surprised as anyone that they did anything at all to compensate buyers. The price is still awful though but I don't think they were under any legal obligation to anything other than ship the original orders.

[dyask]

quit with the OT posts, sheesh.

Fair enough ... however you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread with his prattle about there isn't any proof that this or that is a scam.

However you are completely correct, lunamine has scammed the BTC out of a lot of people and that is what the focus should be.   Sorry for being off topic. 

Also OT - what is that?  On Topic, Off Topic, Over the Top, Occupational Therapy or many more possibilities?       Sorry but it doesn't make sense.   I think you mean Off Topic, but OT is unclear.

Clearly it means Off topic. Everybody knows that, that has spent a considerable amount of time on a web forum.

Sorry, but it isn't clear and you should keep in mind this in a international forum.

[dyask]

you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread

I did not.

On the contrary I replied to someone bashing PB Mining earlier in the thread (so if you're looking for someone to "bash", go ahead and read the thread to find out who "injected" the topic), reminding in essence that it was inappropriate to conflate Luna and PB.

As for the Luna investigation, it's still ongoing, and of course it would be a mistake to say more at this stage.

Okay ... still your "not a scam rants" were what stuck in mind.  

Your investigation has been going on for weeks and appears to just be a stall tactic.   You never provided any information.  At this point probably the BTC has been mixed many times and now likely spent.   There can't be any doubt that lunamine was a scam.    

[Armed]

quit with the OT posts, sheesh.

Fair enough ... however you should be bashing BTCmner, he is the one that injected PBMining into this thread with his prattle about there isn't any proof that this or that is a scam.

However you are completely correct, lunamine has scammed the BTC out of a lot of people and that is what the focus should be.   Sorry for being off topic. 

Also OT - what is that?  On Topic, Off Topic, Over the Top, Occupational Therapy or many more possibilities?       Sorry but it doesn't make sense.   I think you mean Off Topic, but OT is unclear.

Clearly it means Off topic. Everybody knows that, that has spent a considerable amount of time on a web forum.

Sorry, but it isn't clear and you should keep in mind this in a international forum.

Yeah I'm sure everyone assumed "OT" meant something in their own native language. Just google it if you want to get the explanation and history. Ciaoooo.

[odlal]

 

Yeah I'm sure everyone assumed "OT" meant something in their own native language. Just google it if you want to get the explanation and history. Ciaoooo.

BTW, FWIW and IMO : OT can have only one meaning here [in the context of a web forum]

Now where was I ...

 

[btcmner]

(apsvinet : )

Yeah I'm sure everyone assumed "OT" meant something in their own native language. Just google it if you want to get the explanation and history. Ciaoooo.

In case you didn't know, Google has different default entry points, depending on the user's location.
Also "OT" is resolved as "Occupational Therapy" first, then "OldTestament", "short for Alright", but "Off-Topic" does not appear on Google's first page.
Anyway, that's an uninteresting subject.

I just wanted to inquire as to why you still have that lunamine.com advertisement campaign on you profile, since lunamine is now defunct, and by the way how come there is no trace of payment from you to lunamine or from lunamine to you ? An oversight perhaps ?

[Armed]

(apsvinet : )

Yeah I'm sure everyone assumed "OT" meant something in their own native language. Just google it if you want to get the explanation and history. Ciaoooo.

In case you didn't know, Google has different default entry points, depending on the user's location.
Also "OT" is resolved as "Occupational Therapy" first, then "OldTestament", "short for Alright", but "Off-Topic" does not appear on Google's first page.
Anyway, that's an uninteresting subject.

I just wanted to inquire as to why you still have that lunamine.com advertisement campaign on you profile, since lunamine is now defunct, and by the way how come there is no trace of payment from you to lunamine or from lunamine to you ? An oversight perhaps ?

Thanks for pointing it out, I had actually forgotten about the personal message ad that I had.
There was a payment from Lunamine to me, for a few referrals that I managed to get.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/75a4a3ba384a14d28190008e3a5c3d9b3b373a1ee3c6aa9fec55f71c8e50a9e2

Enjoy.

[odlal]

 

There once was a Cloud Miner called Lunamine,
And everything seemed all right at the beginning,
Then after a while,
And bit by bit,
It turned into a Sham,
Or is that a Scam ?
More like an Utter Con Job or Outright Thievery ...

So now lots of people got taken for a ride,
All of their coins lost for ever and a day,
Some say they're still investigating,
But most have given up hope,
Oh it's such a shame when that happens eh ?

Actually, no, because All of the Shame and All of the Guilt,
Completely belong to the Lunatic of Lunamine,
Who one day will get his Comeuppance !!!

Now whoever you are,
And wherever you happen to be,
Whatever you happen to be doing,
I hope you Choke on all those coins you Stole !

But please don't forget Dear Lunatic,
If you ever feel the pangs of Regret or of Remorse,
You can always come back here to Bitcointalk,
Where a simple search for your Tarnished name,
Can show you the path back Home ...

By replying to this thread and Repaying all that you Owe !

 

[crk]

well.. seems like the investigation has got to a MU point :-/

[dekodoge]

People just seem to give up.

I know if i had "invested" i wouldn't till the PERPS were busted one way or another.

[Netwerked]

People just seem to give up.

I know if i had "invested" i wouldn't till the PERPS were busted one way or another.

I think people want closure.  They want to see the crooks behind this scheme in jail.  Hopefully the police will eventually catch them.  Victims just need to continue making noise-- the squeaky wheel gets the most attention.

Individually, many people made small investments.  At this stage, it is not worth their time and energy to do much more, so it is logical to move on and focus on other goals.

As an alternative, people can spend time and/or money towards the mission of finding the crooks involved, but many people know when to cut their losses.  Even if the crooks are caught, the chance of recovering any money is slim.

There is always the possibility that one or more investors has a hobby of tracking down criminals.  In that case, they may throw more time and money towards this cause for entertainment value.

It's easy to say that you would not give up if you were in this situation, but this situation has drained energy from a lot of victims.

[bitcointogo]

still no further on, it seems people who were scammed have just given up on getting their BTC back.

No no, some are still tracking leads, it takes a lot of time, but things are making progress...

how's that progress going?

[Zyborg]

People just seem to give up.

I know if i had "invested" i wouldn't till the PERPS were busted one way or another.

Hopefully that's an indication that people didn't invest so much that they actually cared. The man seems to have been behind quite a few scam operations however so I guess it'd be in the public interest to catch him, however, who has the time or resources?

[mailmansDOGE]

There once was a Cloud Miner called Lunamine,
And everything seemed all right at the beginning,
Then after a while,
And bit by bit,
It turned into a Sham,
Or is that a Scam ?
More like an Utter Con Job or Outright Thievery ...

So now lots of people got taken for a ride,
All of their coins lost for ever and a day,
Some say they're still investigating,
But most have given up hope,
Oh it's such a shame when that happens eh ?

Actually, no, because All of the Shame and All of the Guilt,
Completely belong to the Lunatic of Lunamine,
Who one day will get his Comeuppance !!!

Now whoever you are,
And wherever you happen to be,
Whatever you happen to be doing,
I hope you Choke on all those coins you Stole !

But please don't forget Dear Lunatic,
If you ever feel the pangs of Regret or of Remorse,
You can always come back here to Bitcointalk,
Where a simple search for your Tarnished name,
Can show you the path back Home ...

By replying to this thread and Repaying all that you Owe !

 

Lol that's nice!

[infested999]

Random forum user with 1 post starting a ponzi: SCAM

Random forum user that has a .com domain and a "About Us" page with fake info: Let's deposit all our money there!

[dekodoge]

Random forum user with 1 post starting a ponzi: SCAM

Random forum user that has a .com domain and a "About Us" page with fake info: Let's deposit all our money there!

who? where?

[mailmansDOGE]

Random forum user with 1 post starting a ponzi: SCAM

Random forum user that has a .com domain and a "About Us" page with fake info: Let's deposit all our money there!

Aren't you a little to late to say that?

[Zeta0S]

Random forum user with 1 post starting a ponzi: SCAM

Random forum user that has a .com domain and a "About Us" page with fake info: Let's deposit all our money there!

Aren't you a little to late to say that?

[bitcointogo]

Hashie.co reminds me so much of Lunamine https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675315

Very similar business model
Intro freebies (taken away)
The code in the website
The image icons.
Similar communication
This time is different, a Legendary member (or a Legendarys member account was bought) was paid to start the topic
It looks like a new and  improved Lunamine.

What do you think?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822446.msg9476747#msg9476747

[kingscrown]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

[RealMalatesta]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

[lili song]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

How can we identify if Lunamine is coming with different entity ?  

Lunamine using upfront payment when they held their sig campaign to gain trust

cloudminr.io using escrow & hash for their sig campaign payment
  

[Seketsuna]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

How can we identify if Lunamine is coming with different entity ?  

Lunamine using upfront payment when they held their sig campaign to gain trust

cloudminr.io using escrow & hash for their sig campaign payment
  

well with so many cloud services sprouting, he will have a hard time getting new people to scam and Competition is increasing

[RealMalatesta]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

How can we identify if Lunamine is coming with different entity ?  

Lunamine using upfront payment when they held their sig campaign to gain trust

cloudminr.io using escrow & hash for their sig campaign payment
  

well with so many cloud services sprouting, he will have a hard time getting new people to scam and Competition is increasing

There are a lot of coincidences:
- similar wording why they don't give any information
- using a wrong address and name in the northern part of Europe
- making a sig-campaign in a similar style
- claiming to be working since years
- supporting the service with a lot of new accounts

and so on...

Just compare some of the sentences...

[Zeta0S]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

How can we identify if Lunamine is coming with different entity ?  

Lunamine using upfront payment when they held their sig campaign to gain trust

cloudminr.io using escrow & hash for their sig campaign payment
  

well with so many cloud services sprouting, he will have a hard time getting new people to scam and Competition is increasing

There are a lot of coincidences:
- similar wording why they don't give any information
- using a wrong address and name in the northern part of Europe
- making a sig-campaign in a similar style
- claiming to be working since years
- supporting the service with a lot of new accounts

and so on...

Just compare some of the sentences...

I do not trust Hashie

[TigerMart]

watch out on new cloud mining coins lunamine will surely comeback.

He surely came back - watch the cloudminr.io-thread....

How can we identify if Lunamine is coming with different entity ?  

Lunamine using upfront payment when they held their sig campaign to gain trust

cloudminr.io using escrow & hash for their sig campaign payment
  

well with so many cloud services sprouting, he will have a hard time getting new people to scam and Competition is increasing

There are a lot of coincidences:
- similar wording why they don't give any information
- using a wrong address and name in the northern part of Europe
- making a sig-campaign in a similar style
- claiming to be working since years
- supporting the service with a lot of new accounts

and so on...

Just compare some of the sentences...

I do not trust Hashie

Hashie actually faked their picture where they tried to proof they were really mining at BTC Guild.