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March 09, 2012, 06:23:06 PM
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The degree of paranoia you suffer from must be dreadful if you interpret that as "taking orders."

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March 10, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
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The degree of paranoia you suffer from must be dreadful if you interpret that as "taking orders."
Why not say outright that you support the downfall or overthrow of the constitutional government.

Since you have difficulty with some legal language, I'll help you out.

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Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding, when it comes to the national defense of this country, the president of the united states has the authority under the constitution to act to defend this country, and we will. If it comes to an operation where we are trying to build a coalition of nations to work together and go in and operate as we did in Libya or Bosnia or for that matter Afghanistan we want to do it with permissions either by NATO or by the international community.
-Secratary Panetta

Interpetation: We don't need to ask congress to grant the ability to go to war, we only need to ask permission from NATO or the international community.

War = sending troops to a foreign nation to engage an enemy.
Defending a nation = Domestic Security that does not reach beyond the borders of the U.S.

The President, his cabinet, and the Military Command are defying the Constitution by changing these definitions to suit their purpose.

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March 10, 2012, 08:40:41 PM
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The degree of paranoia you suffer from must be dreadful if you interpret that as "taking orders."
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Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding, when it comes to the national defense of this country, the president of the united states has the authority under the constitution to act to defend this country, and we will. If it comes to an operation where we are trying to build a coalition of nations to work together and go in and operate as we did in Libya or Bosnia or for that matter Afghanistan we want to do it with permissions either by NATO or by the international community.
-Secratary Panetta



Note my emphasis.  Bind is saying "Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes Orders from The U.N. "  That is a woeful misinterpretation.

All your other points make great sense.  

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March 10, 2012, 09:31:24 PM
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The degree of paranoia you suffer from must be dreadful if you interpret that as "taking orders."
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Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding, when it comes to the national defense of this country, the president of the united states has the authority under the constitution to act to defend this country, and we will. If it comes to an operation where we are trying to build a coalition of nations to work together and go in and operate as we did in Libya or Bosnia or for that matter Afghanistan we want to do it with permissions either by NATO or by the international community.
-Secratary Panetta



Note my emphasis.  Bind is saying "Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes Orders from The U.N. "  That is a woeful misinterpretation.

All your other points make great sense.  
So why not say this instead of what you said, note my emphasis. I only have an issue with your characterization of bind, based on this post, that he is paranoid. At most he is guilty of sensational verbage, but you attack his mental fitness.

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March 10, 2012, 10:09:18 PM
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The degree of paranoia you suffer from must be dreadful if you interpret that as "taking orders."
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Let me be clear so there is no misunderstanding, when it comes to the national defense of this country, the president of the united states has the authority under the constitution to act to defend this country, and we will. If it comes to an operation where we are trying to build a coalition of nations to work together and go in and operate as we did in Libya or Bosnia or for that matter Afghanistan we want to do it with permissions either by NATO or by the international community.
-Secratary Panetta



Note my emphasis.  Bind is saying "Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes Orders from The U.N. "  That is a woeful misinterpretation.

All your other points make great sense.  
So why not say this instead of what you said, note my emphasis. I only have an issue with your characterization of bind, based on this post, that he is paranoid. At most he is guilty of sensational verbage, but you attack his mental fitness.

Fair enough.  He has made a lot of posts that appear deranged but this one could be interpreted as being only a little sensationalist. 

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March 11, 2012, 04:09:54 AM
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See, unfortunately, the thing is, the title is not very sensationalist.  Throughout the course of his Senate testimony, Secretary of Defense Panetta very clearly establishes that:

1) The President and the US military specifically do not "take orders" from the American people via their elected members of Congress.
2) They merely "inform" the Congress of any wars they participate in.
3) But before doing so, they seek "permission" from international bodies like the UN and NATO.
4) The UN, NATO or an "ad-hoc coalition of nations" gives the US military the "legal basis" to attack third parties.

So, the obvious questions here are:

1) Who does Obama "take orders" from?
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2) If UN "permission" provides Obama the "legal basis" to attack anyone, why not the US?

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March 11, 2012, 08:15:31 AM
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See, unfortunately, the thing is, the title is not very sensationalist.  Throughout the course of his Senate testimony, Secretary of Defense Panetta very clearly establishes that:

1) The President and the US military specifically do not "take orders" from the American people via their elected members of Congress.
2) They merely "inform" the Congress of any wars they participate in.
3) But before doing so, they seek "permission" from international bodies like the UN and NATO.
4) The UN, NATO or an "ad-hoc coalition of nations" gives the US military the "legal basis" to attack third parties.

So, the obvious questions here are:

1) Who does Obama "take orders" from?
 and
2) If UN "permission" provides Obama the "legal basis" to attack anyone, why not the US?


You know, for a while there I felt bad about describing your posts as paranoid.  I feel much better now.  Thanks.

The US President doesn't take orders from anyone.  The office has virtually unlimited war making capacity provided that there is not an actual declaration of war.  So right now there are US fighters in Somalia, Uganda, Yemen and umpteen other countries and nothing much to be done about it unless Congress objects.  

In other words, its the fear of political pain is the restraint, not some legal document.


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