Have a "fired" day?

[u9y42]

Fuck I must have been tired when I read this

Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers

Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition

it's not the same

since you're advertising for your own profit

while she's not

and it's somehow automatical, like when someone sneezes, you say bless you!

Well, whether or not she thought it was for her own profit/salvation/morality/whatever, she had been repeatedly warned not to do it, and apparently kept doing it. And this is obviously not just about the "have a blessed day", so she likely had more control over it than that.

[pedrog]

Fuck I must have been tired when I read this

Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers

Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition

it's not the same

since you're advertising for your own profit

while she's not

and it's somehow automatical, like when someone sneezes, you say bless you!

Apparently you didn't watch the video, she was proselytizing to customers and, certainly, also to coworkers, she had to go...

People think they can get way with anything if they claim it's their religious beliefs, well, they cannot!

[minerpumpkin]

If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)

[freedomno1]

Woman fired for saying 'blessed day'?

A bank teller claims she was fired from U.S. Bank for telling a customer to "have a blessed day."
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/07/06/pkg-bank-teller-fired-for-saying-have-a-blessed-day.wxix.html

Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers. Finally she's fired and now she is suing the bank. This could be an important case in terms of religious rights and the rights of employers. Take a look at the short video and tell us what you think will happen.

That's pretty extreme having a blessed day is pretty nice to hear
Wouldn't even say blessing people is entirely religious bunch of zealot atheists lol.

Edit should watch the video first sec hmm seems to be fine watched the video its in the range of religious freedom, but can see the court go both ways on this, she was asked a few times not to but if someone else initiates it I see no reason to not reply to it.

The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.

Summed it up for me as well

But Altoids in another thread added a nice bonus

Lol good old Chase.  I hate that bank with a passion.  Still have a mortgage with them after they bought out a Met Life mortgage - trying to pay it down as fast as I can.

This is the same bank that was doing a LGBT litmus for it's employees:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/18651-jpmorgan-chase-surveys-employees-about-support-for-lgbt-agenda

This is the same bank that went after active duty military families:
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/19/133036957/bank-overcharged-military-families-on-mortgages

Bastards advertised a 0% business loan for me once and I spent 4 hours reading all the fine print, 3 months later they claimed they changed the terms and the rate was now 14%.  What business borrows at 14%.  And they sent a document in the mail non-registered, no signature.

Call you local TV station and nail their ass to the wall!

One bank thats like no religious views the other is like Support the Gays or we will fire you and yes were allowed to use an internal survey.

[zolace]

She wasn't fired for her religious beliefs, she was fired for purposefully ignoring orders.  I would've fired her too; if I ask you to do X and you do Y, you have made yourself useless to me, ergo unfit for employment.  Then she lies about why she was fired, claims it was because she was religious, pulls out the discrimination card, and expects to be paid for not working there anymore like the business is her ex-husband.

In other news, feminists are outraged that businesses aren't hiring enough women.

If she's smart she'll tell them she's gay, and then she'll not only get her job back, but a bonus and a parade to go along with it.

[Rigon]

The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.

I completely agree with . Why would I take offense when someone wishes me a good day no matter how it is framed. The problem seems to be she didn't stop with just that in spite of all the warnings from her boss. She got fired and I believe the courts will say it was justified. Its never a good idea to refuse to do what a cop or your boss tells you to do.

Nope, still irritates me. I don't know if you  experience what non-believers/agnostics, people other than Christian experience what some of us do down here, but I can tell you that in Texas I'm surrounded by bible-beating evangelicals, from the state house to the legislature, to the grocery store.  And this "Have a blessed day" is their latest thing, a new catchphrase more or less.  It's everywhere. 

It's like the new Walgreens campaign.  A few months ago I was mildly pleased when the clerk closed the sale with "Thank you, and be well."   I thought what a nice thing to say.   And then they all started saying it.  Buy a pack of gum, you get a ty and be well.  Pick up your pills...pharmacy tech says ty, and be well.    Now, do you really think any of these people give a rip if I stay well...really?   No, the guys in the board room thought "Hey, let's try this.  Call your managers and put it in the training manual."

[Hazir]

It will be nazi society soon. You won't be able to speak your mind and share your thoughts. They will be only one way of thinking for everyone. And I can see clearly that it is already started. Big brother is watching you.

[cech4204a]

You can't be that stupid to fire someone on two words, it could be a mistake, so fuck it, it happens. Thats just USA again.

[noviapriani]

If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)

First, I would have to agree that free speech seems to end at corporate doorsteps, and I concede that with no excitement. I think sometimes the freedoms we have won are marginalized by our corporate lives, where we often live 2/3 of our days. So, in that regard, yes, the company has the right to demand an employee stop this use of greeting or goodbye.

On a personal basis I see this as "more information than I needed to know". By that I mean, if when our transaction was completed you said "And do you like my nice wig" i would also think more than I needed to know. In either case you are presenting me with something personal in a transaction where that degree of personal is inappropriate.

It is not about religion, it is about invading my privacy. Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. And my verbal response might be rude because you crossed a privacy line.

I do not want your blessing, or your pictures of kids, or to approve of oyur wig or anything other than to complete my transaction.

[sana8410]

If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)

First, I would have to agree that free speech seems to end at corporate doorsteps, and I concede that with no excitement. I think sometimes the freedoms we have won are marginalized by our corporate lives, where we often live 2/3 of our days. So, in that regard, yes, the company has the right to demand an employee stop this use of greeting or goodbye.

On a personal basis I see this as "more information than I needed to know". By that I mean, if when our transaction was completed you said "And do you like my nice wig" i would also think more than I needed to know. In either case you are presenting me with something personal in a transaction where that degree of personal is inappropriate.

It is not about religion, it is about invading my privacy. Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. And my verbal response might be rude because you crossed a privacy line.

I do not want your blessing, or your pictures of kids, or to approve of oyur wig or anything other than to complete my transaction.

The merest whiff of religous sentiment expressed publicly seems to be considered as obnoxious and polluting as second hand smoke, campaign to confine any tainted language to private settings (except for church, temple, mosque, etc.) headed in same direction. 
Though not religious, I have many times exclaimed "Bless you!" at a kindness or a favor.  Getting annoyed at a "Have a blessed day" is so far removed from my sensibilities it really is genuinely difficult to identify with the mindset that is put off.  Hey, I'll take all the blessings I can get from whomever is inclined to send them my way.

[sana8410]

 Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

[sana8410]

The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.

I completely agree with . Why would I take offense when someone wishes me a good day no matter how it is framed. The problem seems to be she didn't stop with just that in spite of all the warnings from her boss. She got fired and I believe the courts will say it was justified. Its never a good idea to refuse to do what a cop or your boss tells you to do.

Nope, still irritates me. I don't know if you  experience what non-believers/agnostics, people other than Christian experience what some of us do down here, but I can tell you that in Texas I'm surrounded by bible-beating evangelicals, from the state house to the legislature, to the grocery store.  And this "Have a blessed day" is their latest thing, a new catchphrase more or less.  It's everywhere. 

It's like the new Walgreens campaign.  A few months ago I was mildly pleased when the clerk closed the sale with "Thank you, and be well."   I thought what a nice thing to say.   And then they all started saying it.  Buy a pack of gum, you get a ty and be well.  Pick up your pills...pharmacy tech says ty, and be well.    Now, do you really think any of these people give a rip if I stay well...really?   No, the guys in the board room thought "Hey, let's try this.  Call your managers and put it in the training manual."

I can get annoyance at rote, insincere good wishes though consider it one of most trivial of irritants of daily life.  Canned corporate treacle.  But don't, as stated, identify with becoming irritated at "Have a blessed day" (or variations of the same from whichever stripe of religionist). 
Hypersensitivity to speech deemed religious seems to have reached ridiculous proportions to me, and growing to the point where I believe 1st amendment rights are compromised for the practicing religionist.  What sort of climate is it when a deeply held aspect of one's beliefs, that of wishing one's neighbor blessings (which, as DD observed isn't confined to Christianity) can't be uttered without fear of reprisal? 

[zolace]

Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

Geez.  How is this any different than saying "Have a nice day"?  Or does that piss you grumps off too?
Yes the bank has the right to fire her, and the public has a right to not use the bank as a result if they disagree with the policy.  Isn'tt that a great thing?

[sana8410]

Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

Geez.  How is this any different than saying "Have a nice day"?  Or does that piss you grumps off too?
Yes the bank has the right to fire her, and the public has a right to not use the bank as a result if they disagree with the policy.  Isn'tt that a great thing?

Zolace you think the response would be the same if everyone at the bank says "as-salaam alaikum"? Or would the response here be that the teller should be fired?

[zolace]

Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

Geez.  How is this any different than saying "Have a nice day"?  Or does that piss you grumps off too?
Yes the bank has the right to fire her, and the public has a right to not use the bank as a result if they disagree with the policy.  Isn'tt that a great thing?

Zolace you think the response would be the same if everyone at the bank says "as-salaam alaikum"? Or would the response here be that the teller should be fired?

I would respond with a "you too" myself, Sana.  "Peace be with you" doesn't offend me.  Why would it?

[noviapriani]

The woman who was fired in the OP story had been warned by her employer, not just once, but several times.  Why would she risk her job for something so trivial, unless it wasn't trivial to her and she was pushing an agenda?

[zolace]

The woman who was fired in the OP story had been warned by her employer, not just once, but several times.  Why would she risk her job for something so trivial, unless it wasn't trivial to her and she was pushing an agenda?

Maybe because she thought it was a stupid policy and was willing to be fired rather than have such a lovely and harmless bit of speech be squashed.  Her choice.  And the bank's choice to fire her.  And the public's choice to fire the bank.

[sana8410]

Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

Geez.  How is this any different than saying "Have a nice day"?  Or does that piss you grumps off too?
Yes the bank has the right to fire her, and the public has a right to not use the bank as a result if they disagree with the policy.  Isn'tt that a great thing?

Zolace you think the response would be the same if everyone at the bank says "as-salaam alaikum"? Or would the response here be that the teller should be fired?

I would respond with a "you too" myself, Sana.  "Peace be with you" doesn't offend me.  Why would it?

Wouldn't offend me at all. And you say it wouldn't offend you. But can you honestly say that people here, some conservatives here, would not have a problem with it?

Usually when people say that people should be allowed to express religious sentiments, they mean their religious sentiment and not others.

I can assure you that if this thread was about someone saying "as-salaam alaikum" at a bank, the conservatives here would be asking for that teller to be fired.

[zolace]

The woman who was fired in the OP story had been warned by her employer, not just once, but several times.  Why would she risk her job for something so trivial, unless it wasn't trivial to her and she was pushing an agenda?

Maybe because she thought it was a stupid policy and was willing to be fired rather than have such a lovely and harmless bit of speech be squashed.  Her choice.  And the bank's choice to fire her.  And the public's choice to fire the bank.

[Rigon]

Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?

"Have a nice day" is just as rote and just as insincere.  Notice it has gone out of style?  There's a reason for that...it irritates people.