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July 12, 2014, 07:55:58 PM |
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Couldn't the thief just launder the coins bit by bit and get away with it scot-free?
For example: You could just trade some of them for another virtual currency on some random exchange, and then convert what you bought back into BTC, and voila, clean bitcoins. Or use a laundering service. It seems really easy to get around if you're smart?
Actually, the best way to clean the coins is to send them to an exchange, then cash it out to your bank account. Then use all that fiat to buy back the coins on the same exchange. Untraceable ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) This would actually be very traceable as once it is discovered which exchange the coins were sent to then you could subpoena the exchange to provide the identity of the user who deposited the coins. An exchange would provide only temporary cover to your identity. Faceplam!
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July 12, 2014, 07:58:59 PM |
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Hey dude who stole these coins...you will never wash them all out and be able to use them as every confirmation takes around 10 minutes and 100+ people are following every your step so just pay 770 coins to the victim and keep the rest and you will probably get out with it with no harm to your person. BTW the coins are currently sitting here: https://blockchain.info/address/1DdTEQhaTRoQ8cs1hcSwdYLbDs9jgEvPcZ
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The only online casino on which i won something. I made 17mBTC from 1mBTC in like 15 minutes. This is not paid AD!
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July 12, 2014, 08:05:49 PM |
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Whatever happened to coin fungibility?
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July 12, 2014, 08:12:28 PM |
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I enjoyed reading this above, so:
"the hacker may also want to think about how the advance of technology is going to make locating assholes like him easier over the next few years. He may be able to hide today, but in a year or 2, will he still be able to? He can't cash out to a bank account and he cant buy anything useful with the BTC without leaving clues to his irl identity, so all he has is a pile of semi-useless BTC and a massive manhunt on his ass. The current 500 BTC bounty is very motivating and provides more than enough cash to finance some very effective action, no matter where in the world the thief might be. Klee just has to keep up the pressure and wait for the mistake. Hope the thieving dipshit is having fun right now.......because it isn't going to last."
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July 12, 2014, 08:20:56 PM |
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Its impossible to get back your BTC, maybe you can only find out who did it. Get back few steps and find out how hacker broke into dropbox?
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July 12, 2014, 08:28:07 PM |
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Wow this is a staggering sum of money to have stolen. Very sorry to hear this and best of luck getting it back. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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July 12, 2014, 08:31:34 PM |
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July 12, 2014, 08:32:35 PM Last edit: July 12, 2014, 08:44:27 PM by The Avenger |
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It looks like they are in a mixer.
All he is doing is breaking them down into multiple multiple smaller amounts with a script (which seems to break every so often, as we are up to 10 confirmations on the 400BTC and 210BTC). The origins of the coins are still clear, so no mixing is happening. He may not be confident to use a mixer, as he may not sure if the mixing service will freeze his funds (obviously stolen funds). Have BITMIXER.IO made any comment on whether they are happy to mix obviously stolen coins? Trust no one Mr Hacker! They will all screw you and are out to steal your coins! Joe Six Pack is actually this guy! ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.timeinc.net%2Fpeople%2Fi%2F2008%2Fspecials%2Fhalloween%2Fpets%2Fbounty_hunter.jpg&t=665&c=mLs5RhmvEdIpvw) What was that noise behind you! ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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A Great Time to Start Something!
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July 12, 2014, 08:52:14 PM |
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I have a solution! >>> MESSAGE TO HACKER >>> Send me the 1170 bitcoins to: 19kcFZjemHoN5QZGbYo3WuY4frxCvs13PH I will send klee 670 bitcoins and will share the bounty 50/50 with you. Manhunt cancelled and you get to keep 250 bitcoins. Problem solved. Joe Six Pack
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« < » MESSAGE FROM HACKER « < » The hacker wants to know if he can send you 920 (keeping his 250 part of the bounty) since it's easier and he doesn't trust you. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Then: Manhunt cancelled....
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July 12, 2014, 09:32:45 PM |
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What do you think? Just one knee cap or both?
Both. And do it old-school IRA style......Black and Decker!
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July 12, 2014, 09:43:41 PM |
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First, its obvious that the hacker is watching this thread. Who knows, he/she could have even posted. I thought there was a way to send the stolen btc to all the exchanges and basically have them marked. Is that possible or not? There has to be a way to track down stolen btc like this. If there isn't a way, there should be..
This should be a wake up call to everyone. Secure the shit out of your coin. Encrypt everything at the very least and use armory for added security..
I really feel for the op. I would be sick..
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July 12, 2014, 09:50:14 PM |
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All-right mr hacker. If you are reading this. I provide escrow for the community. I have a very strong rep. I would be more than happy to escrow the return of these funds. If you send all of the bitcoins to my escrow address 1JrRTBauRZoeSPeyokCh76ZxikzppUBhhA I will have successfully recovered the coins and so will be entitled to 500 bitcoins. I will send 250 of them to you and keep 250 for myself. Check my rep thread in the signature. I can make this all go away. Think about it.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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July 12, 2014, 09:50:22 PM |
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There has to be a way to track down stolen btc like this. If there isn't a way, there should be..
That would mean breaking bitcoin fungibility.
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July 12, 2014, 10:06:09 PM |
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It looks like they are in a mixer.
All he is doing is breaking them down into multiple multiple smaller amounts with a script (which seems to break every so often, as we are up to 10 confirmations on the 400BTC and 210BTC). The origins of the coins are still clear, so no mixing is happening. He may not be confident to use a mixer, as he may not sure if the mixing service will freeze his funds (obviously stolen funds). Have BITMIXER.IO made any comment on whether they are happy to mix obviously stolen coins? ... It would be very irresponsible to not mix stolen funds like that. It would put into question the fungibility of bitcoin. With that being said they very well could keep logs of the transactions of the thief and disclose what the ultimate output address is.
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July 12, 2014, 10:22:09 PM |
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Can you imagine how much pressure he/she must be under knowing these is a $300,000 bounty on his/her head?
Every noise must be analysed - is it something new, or just the regular sounds of the house? Is there someone outside?
If our hacker lives in a city, any time he/she hears a siren, he must freeze. Is it past yet? Feeling the sweat streaming down his back. Can he escape through the window? Why is his chest so tight? Will he fight? Will he pretend he knows nothing if apprehended?
Who is after him? Did he make any mistakes? Did he try to log into the dropbox a few days before, without being behind tor. Is that logged? Is he sure his IP hasn't been revealed somewhere? Is it even possible to be truly traceless? As a hacker, he knows it's not possible.
Listening to the silence hacker?
Where I came out of, people got shot for hundreds of dollars. This hacker is clearly a computer chair hacker in that he has no idea how the rest of the criminal world works. Stealing that amount if bitcoin is so stupid because of the way bitcoin can be tracked. The hackers need only make one small mistake and he will be busted. His best hope is to return the btc. His second best hope is that the police catch him. The last and worse option is three large dudes show up to collect the bounty. What isn't an option is that the hacker gets to live happily ever after spending the coins. My prediction is that the hacker is in jail or dead in less than two weeks. Are you panicking Mr hacker? Did you think it was going to be so easy? RIP
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July 12, 2014, 10:23:19 PM |
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LOL, he's doing a giveaway to get support and help cleaning his coins.
What a haul though, sorry to the previous custodian.
As for the new custodian, feel pity on the man, split him some coin, even with just half, or 25%, you would greatly ease his misery and still go to town on what you'll have left.
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July 12, 2014, 10:44:32 PM |
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Hacker send them here and I will return them.
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July 12, 2014, 10:45:07 PM |
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I enjoyed reading this above, so:
"the hacker may also want to think about how the advance of technology is going to make locating assholes like him easier over the next few years. He may be able to hide today, but in a year or 2, will he still be able to? He can't cash out to a bank account and he cant buy anything useful with the BTC without leaving clues to his irl identity, so all he has is a pile of semi-useless BTC and a massive manhunt on his ass. The current 500 BTC bounty is very motivating and provides more than enough cash to finance some very effective action, no matter where in the world the thief might be. Klee just has to keep up the pressure and wait for the mistake. Hope the thieving dipshit is having fun right now.......because it isn't going to last."
Not to give the guy too many ideas, or encourage others on the forum, but I just want to point out that this is incorrect. Let me use an example:- In short 1) send a multitude of periodic transactions to obscure exchanges with small amounts to different accounts, maybe use new ones every time ( there are tons of other exchanges now, much smaller and discreet than the big ones, all reputable) 2) Sell coins and send fiat to numbered accounts of unregistered visa cards 3) Go to ATMs and cash out 4) As an extra layer of security, rotate the ATMs you use. And to top it all off, there is no guarantee the hacker is in a jurisdiction in which the hackeds' country's laws have effect, so even if you find him, short of illegal means, there is little recourse.
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July 12, 2014, 10:55:14 PM |
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I do recommend you get the word out. Send an email to some of the Bitcoin news networks so they at least write a post about it. If you have any more btc get them safe right away, no excuses. Other then that I don't think you can get them back to be honest.
You won't see too much at the top off any bitcoin related news site that pertains to theft. Most bitcoin related sites are heavily vested in bitcoin and are reluctant to promote thefts as news; as this decreases adoption. I've seen it happen multiple times on reddit and this forum. Thefts/hacks get buried in sub-forums and downvoted on reddit. Bitcoin is the wild west of financial markets right now. We have some growing up to do as a community. Those with vested interests do not want bad news on the front page. If you want to hold bitcoin; HODL it CODL.
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If you HODL store it CODL!
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