Petition to introduce minimum activity count for ANN thread starters

[rugrats]

If I may paraphrase you Sony, I think extreme is the keyword here.
Complete deregulation = lawlessness.

Here's an analogy.
Some strongly believe that the medical profession should not be overly regulated.
However, almost everyone agree that medical professionals must be licensed.
That is not a contradicton.

Similarly, I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect that the community is provided with the opportunity to evaluate coin developers' coding abilities, grasp of economics and most importantly, integrity, through their forum discourse.

With regards to your example on drugs, even the most liberal regulations in the world is still, well, regulated.
To be clear though, we are not imposing any regulations here.
These developers are still able to produce their coins according to their own schedule.
However, to enjoy the privilege of announcing their coins on the most influential and lucrative crypto board in the world, they must first become part of the community to ensure they do not exploit community members.

Community members must still conduct their own due diligence before investing - but they will now actually have something to research about.

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[Spoetnik]

well said that last sentence is crucial !
give us something to research !
forcing guys to use one well known account *should i think increase accountability..

[rugrats]

well said that last sentence is crucial !
give us something to research !
forcing guys to use one well known account *should i think increase accountability..

A few hours ago, Bittrex suspended trading for ELITE, a new alt coin with a 20k supply cap released by a brand new dev account.

Reason?

"balance" : 22342.69416214,
    "newmint" : 0.00000000,
    "stake" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 4427,
    "timeoffset" : -7,
    "moneysupply" : 94868.97591348,

That's an effective premine rate of 2,100%.

[Spoetnik]

that is brutal rugrats wow lol

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

So Satoshi couldn't have posted about Bitcoin?

Nobody cares about alt. crypto, you should appreciate Bitcointalk even hosts that section. I'd like to see the whole section locked.

[money420weed]

So Satoshi couldn't have posted about Bitcoin?

Nobody cares about alt. crypto, you should appreciate Bitcointalk even hosts that section. I'd like to see the whole section locked.

Even if we did have a min activity then purchased accounts like Free Hugs aka tradefortress could still create threads.

[Spoetnik]

you realize that places like Facebook have turned into a super power from nothing but popularity right ?
the Bitcointalk Altcoin forum has been popular.. get it ?

oh and.. ad revenue ?

oh and mods don't make coins or run misc altcoin services ?

and the whole 1 out of 100 Mexicans can sneak past the border patrol so we should drop guarding the border mentality
it's as bloody stupid as the first time i heard it online.. intelligence = epic fail lol

more Crypto-Excuses™

want to see the top 5 dumb excuses most leaked out of the corners of scammers mouths in crypto ?

[STFU] - Crypto Excuses™ = Shut your Dick Holsters !

[redsn0w]

I think the 75 it's the right number 

[AnswerQuestion]

caveat emptor

This is very important, and is a good policy of the forum.

If the mods/forum were to attempt to delete any obvious scam that pops up on this forum then by default anything that is not deleted could be deemed to be considered "safe" and as a result a lot more scams would be successful. The vast majority of scams are not obvious that they are scams, but only turn out to be when more questions are asked.

[SaltySpitoon]

There is no difference between being able to create a thread, and being able to create and ANN thread. So what you are asking, is for people to not be able to create threads until a certain activity count, which wont happen.

[rugrats]

that is brutal rugrats wow lol

I know, right?

Now we have another brand new account trying to raise 500BTC to fund his new coin, the Xcloudcoin.

So Satoshi couldn't have posted about Bitcoin?

Nobody cares about alt. crypto, you should appreciate Bitcointalk even hosts that section. I'd like to see the whole section locked.

You know, if Satoshi's first posts in the old sourceforge forum or Bitcointalk had been about IPOs, Bitcoin would be a stillborn.
Instead, he/she/it/they spent years of his/her/its/their life developing Bitcoin.

A lot of people care about alt coins. Even those who stuck their noses up at alt coins should at least utter a quiet word of thanks to alts. Alt coins have brought a lot of positives to Bitcoin and the world of crypto in general.

There is no difference between being able to create a thread, and being able to create and ANN thread. So what you are asking, is for people to not be able to create threads until a certain activity count, which wont happen.

According to some, Bitcointalk.org had a similar restriction on the Alt section previously. Are you saying that is not true?
Besides, I've been on other boards where certain sections are off-limits to members below specific qualifying thresholds.

[Spoetnik]

There is no difference between being able to create a thread, and being able to create and ANN thread. So what you are asking, is for people to not be able to create threads until a certain activity count, which wont happen.

well what about re-instating the old rule but instead of only being able to talk in the Newby section
we could have new guys only able to post in the normal section (and not the ANN section)

see what i mean when comparing the new idea with the old rule that was previously abandoned ? (after i signed up)

i am talking about the restriction that was enforced on me and others when i signed up..
and that went as follows..
simply put, i was not allowed to post in the Main ANN section until my post count got to 16 comments or something like that.
and i think what the majority is saying is lets do that but for just the ANN section..
as in you can't create a topic in the ann section unless you have a certain amount of comments already.
this HAS to be possible because it was ALREADY like this when is signed up LOL

[Lucky Cris]

Voted.

Whatever happened to that campaign to stop scamcoins? I totally wanted to be part of that

[rugrats]

Further adventures of another new dev.

Why did you feel the need to hide the 4.5% premine then?

 No one was hiding it. Missed the line during startup. It happens to everyone.

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A lot of people care about alt coins. Even those who stuck their noses up at alt coins should at least utter a quiet word of thanks to alts. Alt coins have brought a lot of positives to Bitcoin and the world of crypto in general.

That's a very interesting perspective on altcoins... can you name these positives please?

[rugrats]

A lot of people care about alt coins. Even those who stuck their noses up at alt coins should at least utter a quiet word of thanks to alts. Alt coins have brought a lot of positives to Bitcoin and the world of crypto in general.

That's a very interesting perspective on altcoins... can you name these positives please?

Sure. Off the top of my head,

• Altcoins create much needed competition for Bitcoin. Lack of competition leads to monopolies, signals development decay and disincentivize innovations.

• Increased awareness of cryptocurrencies with the general public.

• Increased flow of fiat into cryptocurrencies/ propping up and increasing the trade volume of Bitcoin. Altcoin speculators and investors enter/exit the market using BTC, which is the easiest conversion medium.

• Altcoins provide the testing ground for new/experimental ideas - PoS, Zerocoin, etc.

[SaltySpitoon]

There is no difference between being able to create a thread, and being able to create and ANN thread. So what you are asking, is for people to not be able to create threads until a certain activity count, which wont happen.

According to some, Bitcointalk.org had a similar restriction on the Alt section previously. Are you saying that is not true?
Besides, I've been on other boards where certain sections are off-limits to members below specific qualifying thresholds.

No, there has never been any restriction on the Alt coin section, people seem to forget that the Alt Coin section isn't one that Bitcointalk especially cares about, its more or less an off topic board so people that wish to talk about alt coins don't post in with Bitcoin discussion. What they were talking about, is that people were confined to the newbie board until they had a few spam posts, and left their account logged on for 4 hours, which was done away with. Now there are just time restrictions on when people can post, rather than cutting them off entirely.

well what about re-instating the old rule but instead of only being able to talk in the Newby section
we could have new guys only able to post in the normal section (and not the ANN section)

see what i mean when comparing the new idea with the old rule that was previously abandoned ? (after i signed up)

i am talking about the restriction that was enforced on me and others when i signed up..
and that went as follows..
simply put, i was not allowed to post in the Main ANN section until my post count got to 16 comments or something like that.
and i think what the majority is saying is lets do that but for just the ANN section..
as in you can't create a topic in the ann section unless you have a certain amount of comments already.
this HAS to be possible because it was ALREADY like this when is signed up LOL

I'm a bit confused by what you mean Main ANN section? We are talking about people making coin ANN threads in the Alt Coin section correct? There isn't anything different about creating a normal thread and an ANN thread, people just put [ANN] in the title. I believe you are talking about Newbie restrictions, back when no one was allowed to post outside of the newbie board, we most likely aren't going back to how that was before. Theymos talked about removing the newbie section for quite a while before moving us over to an Activity system.

Frankly, the forums views the alt coin section similarly to the off topic section. If people want to post that they are stuck in Nigeria and need $1,000 to get home with their $100 Million inheritance, at a certain point its up to people to not be dumb. If people want to invest in poorly made coins that are dead in a week, how is that any different from investing in a startup company on the stock market that fails after launch. Risk vs. Reward, there can be big money to be made in new coins, so people keep throwing money in. Some coins flop, and people still throw money in, so why wouldn't people make new worthless coins to make a buck?

A lot of people care about alt coins. Even those who stuck their noses up at alt coins should at least utter a quiet word of thanks to alts. Alt coins have brought a lot of positives to Bitcoin and the world of crypto in general.

That's a very interesting perspective on altcoins... can you name these positives please?

I can, coins showing up in your wallet, "unconfirmed" before they have had a single confirmation was a feature first shown in Solidcoin. Back in day, if you bought Bitcoins from someone, they had 10 minutes to run and hide before you knew if they had scammed you or not. Now, when someone says, "coins sent" in a few seconds you see that they were sent, and they are just unconfirmed.

[kcud_dab]

What say you?

One option is missing: "nobody should be abble to post ANN threads"
problem solved...

[SaltySpitoon]

I should have mentioned, what I really mean by Alt Currencies being essentially an off topic section, is that I highly doubt any additional time is going to go into it at this moment. There is promise of a revised system with the new forum software, however Theymos and the software development team aren't going to bother fixing a temporary issue. Its just not a section with a high priority.

[rugrats]

There is no difference between being able to create a thread, and being able to create and ANN thread. So what you are asking, is for people to not be able to create threads until a certain activity count, which wont happen.

According to some, Bitcointalk.org had a similar restriction on the Alt section previously. Are you saying that is not true?
Besides, I've been on other boards where certain sections are off-limits to members below specific qualifying thresholds.

No, there has never been any restriction on the Alt coin section, people seem to forget that the Alt Coin section isn't one that Bitcointalk especially cares about, its more or less an off topic board so people that wish to talk about alt coins don't post in with Bitcoin discussion. What they were talking about, is that people were confined to the newbie board until they had a few spam posts, and left their account logged on for 4 hours, which was done away with. Now there are just time restrictions on when people can post, rather than cutting them off entirely.

well what about re-instating the old rule but instead of only being able to talk in the Newby section
we could have new guys only able to post in the normal section (and not the ANN section)

see what i mean when comparing the new idea with the old rule that was previously abandoned ? (after i signed up)

i am talking about the restriction that was enforced on me and others when i signed up..
and that went as follows..
simply put, i was not allowed to post in the Main ANN section until my post count got to 16 comments or something like that.
and i think what the majority is saying is lets do that but for just the ANN section..
as in you can't create a topic in the ann section unless you have a certain amount of comments already.
this HAS to be possible because it was ALREADY like this when is signed up LOL

I'm a bit confused by what you mean Main ANN section? We are talking about people making coin ANN threads in the Alt Coin section correct? There isn't anything different about creating a normal thread and an ANN thread, people just put [ANN] in the title. I believe you are talking about Newbie restrictions, back when no one was allowed to post outside of the newbie board, we most likely aren't going back to how that was before. Theymos talked about removing the newbie section for quite a while before moving us over to an Activity system.

Frankly, the forums views the alt coin section similarly to the off topic section. If people want to post that they are stuck in Nigeria and need $1,000 to get home with their $100 Million inheritance, at a certain point its up to people to not be dumb. If people want to invest in poorly made coins that are dead in a week, how is that any different from investing in a startup company on the stock market that fails after launch. Risk vs. Reward, there can be big money to be made in new coins, so people keep throwing money in. Some coins flop, and people still throw money in, so why wouldn't people make new worthless coins to make a buck?

Enabling. Enabler. Victim blaming. Reverse special treatment.

Bitcointalk's refusal to even consider reigning in this behavior, enables scam artists to execute con after con after con here. This makes Bitcointalk an enabler. Victim blaming enables and encourages these cons, when there is absolutely no reason why cons should be tolerated.

Ideologically speaking (since Theymos appears to manage this board in libertarian vein), free enterprise should be allowed to flourish, but special dispensation should never be made to enable dishonest people to defraud a large majority. The ability to post using alt accounts is a special dispensation, as it allows people to hide their identity. This is NOT free market capitalism as one party holds an institutionalized advantage. Regardless of whether Theymos is a paleo, neo or Rothbardian libertarian, regardless of how everyone despises the alt coin section, this is an example of a central authority intentionally handicapping a segment of the population. There is a great imbalance there that requires adjustment.