Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[Nemo1024]

That too, my heart is with them. The separatists are inhuman, they should be punished for making these decisions on their own, they probably caused this traumatic accident, and now they're 'taking care' of the bodies and their possessions too? It makes me very angry!

While you are so angry, can you also explain why Kiev is stewing and bargaining with the investigators and not letting them to the site, all the while the "separatists" asked for the investigators to come as quickly as possible. The bodies have been lying in 30C sun-baked weather for 3 days, often in people's gardens and homes, as they fell through the roof. Something needed to be dome to preserve the evidence while Kiev is procrastinating in the hopes that the evidence is destroyed by nature.

[zolace]

They took down that plane to bring the international community in the `game`. It's very hard if not impossible to fully prove who pushed the button and in Kievs equation that plane is nothing. They are about to lose much more than a foreign plane or care about other opinions of that event. The crimeea precedent for them is already a disaster. I heard they are very corrupted dude. Already being on the edge they tried to get more from Russia through somekind of blackmail but ended up by losing crimeea and now even more. There are a lot of pro-russian/russian ppl in south-eastern ukraine so they didn't won a shit over there.
What happens there is an elaborated subject. Later.

[deisik]

If Ukraine operates these weapons systems as well, could the pro-Russian separatists have stolen one of them and used it?

Partially right. They tried from some time to improve their anti-air arsenal since the rebels main losses came from air hits, shellings bombings and so on. Now if they got parts of that missile system or a entire one, who the fuck knows, anything is possible. But ukraineans did it. Common sense. Personally im almost sure of it.

ps: the rebels got light support from Russians as i know. No way missiles and shit like that. It was an incident created by Ukraine because recently they foulishly started an open conflict with russians and from there their fate was sealed. What will happen, remains to be seen, but from this point on i can say not even concrete proofs would make me belief otherwise.

ps2: american media is pure shit. The truth? about this event? can be found, who the fuck knows where, maybe in another galaxy but not on cnn....

Why would Ukraine shoot down the airliner? They know the rebels don't have aircraft capability. Why would the Ukrainians shoot themselves in the foot when they are winning against the rebels?

Why would the Ukrainian military shoot down a Siberia Airlines airliner over the Black Sea in 2001 (and they still didn't admit it to the full)? It is no use to search for logic where there is no logic in the first place...

[hologram]

Or as the famous picture says:

Ho, Russia need her Lebensraum  
Why Russia can't stop her paranoia and just become a friendly country ? Even China stopped systematic west bashing and want their young people go to the west to repair all the communist propaganda...

[thew3apon]

What a unlucky year for Malaysia Airlines, hopefully Ukraine will compensate Malaysia Airlines for what happen..

[BCEmporium]

Or as the famous picture says:

Ho, Russia need her Lebensraum  
Why Russia can't stop her paranoia and just become a friendly country ? Even China stopped systematic west bashing and want their young people go to the west to repair all the communist propaganda...

Like said, what is that all about Europe vs Russia if Russia is in Europe?
I understand that Russia was an attempt to create a 3rd Roman Empire, actually "Czar" is a "russification" of "Caesar", then they turn communists and yada yada... How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?

[Nemo1024]

Oh, look, more sanctions against Russia for Ukrainian shootdown of the plane. This time Cameron is raging because, according to him, Russia prevents international investigators, who are currently held in Kiev, from reaching the crash site. Now EU is prohibiting export of high-tech goods to Russia:
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/07/21/n_6328513.shtml

[deisik]

So far, Vladimir Putin of Russia has stated that it is Ukraine's fault because it happened on Ukrainian soil and Ukraine should be responsible for what happens on its soil. He also stated that if Ukraine hadn't conducted military operations in its east then none of this would have happened

Tony Tyler, chief executive of the International Air Transport Association, said virtually the same, that Ukraine bears responsibility for keeping its airspace open to flights like the doomed MH17:

Airlines depend on governments and air traffic control authorities to advise which air space is available for flight, and they plan within those limits. It is very similar to driving a car. If the road is open, you assume that it is safe. If it’s closed you find an alternate route

[Nemo1024]

Or as the famous picture says:

Ho, Russia need her Lebensraum  
Why Russia can't stop her paranoia and just become a friendly country ? Even China stopped systematic west bashing and want their young people go to the west to repair all the communist propaganda...

Like said, what is that all about Europe vs Russia if Russia is in Europe?
I understand that Russia was an attempt to create a 3rd Roman Empire, actually "Czar" is a "russification" of "Caesar", then they turn communists and yada yada... How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

Or as the famous picture says. Russia has stayed more or less within its borders, actually losing a lot of territories during the 1917 coup d'etat. See who's on the course to expansion:

[hologram]

How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?

Seem Russia don't want, they are frustrated to have loose her empire.

[noviapriani]

They took down that plane to bring the international community in the `game`. It's very hard if not impossible to fully prove who pushed the button and in Kievs equation that plane is nothing. They are about to lose much more than a foreign plane or care about other opinions of that event. The crimeea precedent for them is already a disaster. I heard they are very corrupted dude. Already being on the edge they tried to get more from Russia through somekind of blackmail but ended up by losing crimeea and now even more. There are a lot of pro-russian/russian ppl in south-eastern ukraine so they didn't won a shit over there.
What happens there is an elaborated subject. Later.

Russian 'interests'

guess you are Russian then. This is all on Putin and company and anyone saying otherwise is as I said either Russian or a bootlicker. Which are you?

[hologram]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?

[sana8410]

Here is a simple fact that the right apparently doesn't know or refuses to understand.  Hundred of flight of commercial aviation have flown that route.  Now we know that the insurgents have shot down other planes. Or at least they claim to.

  Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area.  Money is what got these people killed.  It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.

[BCEmporium]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.

[hologram]

Here is a simple fact that the right apparently doesn't know or refuses to understand.  Hundred of flight of commercial aviation have flown that route.  Now we know that the insurgents have shot down other planes. Or at least they claim to.

  Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area.  Money is what got these people killed.  It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.

We fly over cause there was virtually no chance for an aircraft to be shot so high. We fly over Irak and Syria too.

[Nemo1024]

Russian 'interests'

guess you are Russian then. This is all on Putin and company and anyone saying otherwise is as I said either Russian or a bootlicker. Which are you?

Most people here want the truth.
However, according to you there is only one truth - the US truth, and anyone saying otherwise, even in the face of fact are "pro-Russian". (Note, not pro-Soviet, as many continue to mix up those things)

But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.

[hologram]

So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.

I don't see any problem if Russian want to keep their crony capitalism. West can have poor friend.

[Nemo1024]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.

Look deeper. Was Berezovskij so "Russian", ending up in UK, was Gusinskij so "Russian" ending up in Spain. All oligarchs had foreign agenda.

[hologram]

But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.

What the fuck Russian has do for freedom for 3 century ? Nothing... Near of all freedom philosopher come from the west.

[umair127]

It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar

And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]

Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/