Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[deisik]

The thing is, The U.S., along with Russia, signed a treaty with Ukraine that stipulates that if they give up their nuclear weapons arsenal both the U.S. and Russia would protect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That went out the window when Russia literally took Crimea by force and how Russia is now supporting separatists in the Donetsk region.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994 that you are implicitly referring to here is not ratified. It means that it is not legally binding upon the parties that have signed it.

[Nemo1024]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?

What the fuck is American national interest, and why is it located in Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list goes on.

The Russian national interest is located in Russia.

[BCEmporium]

Look deeper. Was Berezovskij so "Russian", ending up in UK, was Gusinskij so "Russian" ending up in Spain. All oligarchs had foreign agenda.

Yes... all oligarchs take the leverage that Russians doesn't bother to be ram f**ed just because they are "Russian" to get funds and then go laundry them to the West buying "western interests".

[BCEmporium]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?

What the fuck is American national interest, and why is it located in Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list goes on.

The Russian national interest is located in Russia.

But if I want to invest at IBM, Microsoft or any other US company I'm welcome to do so. If I want to invest in Gazprom... damn! Here comes Putin...!

[mladen00]

But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.

What the fuck Russian has do for freedom for 3 century ? Nothing... Near of all freedom philosopher come from the west.

do you maybe heard for world wars?

[mladen00]

breaking news

http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

ukraine army plane su-25 made malaysia plane target on sky.

[hologram]

The Russian national interest is located in Russia.

So why Russia is so aggressive while some country sign a trade agreement with the west ? If Russia want close his border they can...

[Nemo1024]

Reposting the important news from a few minutes ago and two pages back to stay on topic (3 attempts to post the national pride is heated ):

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Russian military
http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

 “[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

[zolace]

It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar

And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]

Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

Why yes, everyone in the international community that had satellites in the area are lying and carlos is the only one telling the truth about what he suspects and we should accept that what he suspects is fact.
The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

[hologram]

But if I want to invest at IBM, Microsoft or any other US company I'm welcome to do so. If I want to invest in Gazprom... damn! Here comes Putin...!

Chinese invested in IBM and many Chinese people buy wine castel in my country, but Russian are so xenophobic...

[deisik]

The thing is, The U.S., along with Russia, signed a treaty with Ukraine that stipulates that if they give up their nuclear weapons arsenal both the U.S. and Russia would protect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That went out the window when Russia literally took Crimea by force and how Russia is now supporting separatists in the Donetsk region.

Interesting how you hardly hear anything about that agreement in the media. Because the agreement is nothing serious. It's not a defense treaty, just the us would go to the un to complain if ukraine was invaded

According to Steven Pifer, who is a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and helped negotiate the Budapest Memorandum, "in the early 1990s, neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to extend a military commitment to Ukraine— and both felt that, even if they wanted to, the Senate would not produce the needed two-thirds vote for consent to ratification of such a treaty"...

[deisik]

I was on my way to home when I heard the plane got shot down. So weird that over 180 ppl living so close died. Rip to all 298 people..

The worst pain is on the families of the dead’s people ...not to know exactly who is responsible for this mass murder,the fact that the separatist taking the bodies and take autopsy on it  without any approval,the fact that all the victims credit cards\money\valuable stuff are stolen.....tragic!

That too, my heart is with them. The separatists are inhuman, they should be punished for making these decisions on their own, they probably caused this traumatic accident, and now they're 'taking care' of the bodies and their possessions too? It makes me very angry!

Are you kidding?

The Ukrainian military killed (and still kills) many more civilians that got killed in the incident with the aircraft. Have you ever thought of them, or are they inhuman too?

[mladen00]

Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.

What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?

What the fuck is American national interest, and why is it located in Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list goes on.

The Russian national interest is located in Russia.

But if I want to invest at IBM, Microsoft or any other US company I'm welcome to do so. If I want to invest in Gazprom... damn! Here comes Putin...!

if some country wanna sell oil and gas on other currency than USD, USA send me ''demokracy'', Libya, Syria, Irak, Iran, Venecuela...
they are

[deisik]

Or as the famous picture says:

Ho, Russia need her Lebensraum 
Why Russia can't stop her paranoia and just become a friendly country ? Even China stopped systematic west bashing and want their young people go to the west to repair all the communist propaganda...

Like said, what is that all about Europe vs Russia if Russia is in Europe?
I understand that Russia was an attempt to create a 3rd Roman Empire, actually "Czar" is a "russification" of "Caesar", then they turn communists and yada yada... How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?

You obviously have to study your history books more thoroughly dude. Or change authors entirely. Russian princes have become czars not for the wish to create a 3rd Roman Empire and not just for the fun of it...

[hologram]

if some country wanna sell oil and gas on other currency than USD, USA send me ''demokracy'', Libya, Syria, Irak, Iran, Venecuela...
they are

There was protest in Venezuela and the west don't give a fuck.

[Rigon]

Very sad and disturbing video.

AMAZING VIDEO>>> Ukrainians Say The Bodies from #MH17 Were Falling “Like Bombs” in the Fields
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, July 19, 2014, 10:37 AM

Ukrainian villagers tell investigative reporters the bodies of the MH17 passengers were falling from the sky “like bombs” in the fields.
Ukrainian coal miners help look for bodies.

Here is a firsthand account from the aftermath of the MH17 terrorist attack.
VICE News reported:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg

[Tusk]

So Much for claims that the rebels were treating the dead with disrespect, They showed far more empathy then western media makes out, given they themselves are being indiscriminatingly bombed by their government. Also the officer was so nervous pumping the accusations at the separatist looked like he was having a hard time believing them himself.      

[hologram]

From a techies progressive site:

Updated @ 07:58, July 20: Though three days have passed since the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight 17, we are still unsure of exactly what happened. There is mounting evidence for the following scenario, however: Russian separatists in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, armed with a Buk missile system provided by Moscow, shot down the plane. This is the scenario favored by US intelligence. There is plenty of video and photographic evidence of a Buk missile system being driven around the region in the days and hours before the attack. US officials have also said there’s no reason to doubt the authenticity of the phone call between a rebel and a Russian officer, where the rebel says “we have just shot down a plane.”

Most of the world now seems to be waiting to see what the Russian president Vladimir Putin does, or for definitive evidence that Russia really did provide the missile. As for what the global community will actually do in response remains to be seen.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186485-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-shot-down-in-ukraine-how-did-they-do-it

[deisik]

From a techies progressive site:

Updated @ 07:58, July 20: Though three days have passed since the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight 17, we are still unsure of exactly what happened. There is mounting evidence for the following scenario, however: Russian separatists in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, armed with a Buk missile system provided by Moscow, shot down the plane. This is the scenario favored by US intelligence. There is plenty of video and photographic evidence of a Buk missile system being driven around the region in the days and hours before the attack. US officials have also said there’s no reason to doubt the authenticity of the phone call between a rebel and a Russian officer, where the rebel says “we have just shot down a plane.”

If the plane was shot down by "Russian separatists armed with a Buk missile system provided by Moscow", why no one saw rocket plume there?



It would hardly go unnoticed...

[hologram]

Maybe people who saw it don't want to tell cause they are pro-russian