Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[Nemo1024]

There is some interesting relevant information that I learnt the other day. Most here remember the Siberia Airlines flight 1812 that got shot down by Ukraine using Buk missile in 2001:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

The interesting bit of information is how it was identified that it was a Buk missile responsible for the shoot-down back then. Buk warhead is filled with shrapnel - small metal balls designed to kill pilots and anyone on board, and not so much as destroying the aircraft itself. Back in 2001, when the bodies of the victims were fished out of the sea and examined by pathologists, they were discovered to be filled with such shrapnel balls. By examining the metal alloy used in these balls, the specialists were able to identify the type of the rocket, where and it was produced, and where it was dislocated. The evidence pointed to the Ukrainian unit that conducted the fatal exercises.

The question of "where is the shrapnel" is still relevant with regard to MH-17. Also in this case the bodies of the victims and pilots should have been peppered with the shrapnel balls, and that would have been the strongest evidence for a Buk shootdown, with a rather precise pin-pointing of the offending missile's origin.

[Souldream]

There is some interesting relevant information that I learnt the other day. Most here remember the Siberia Airlines flight 1812 that got shot down by Ukraine using Buk missile in 2001:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

The interesting bit of information is how it was identified that it was a Buk missile responsible for the shoot-down back then. Buk warhead is filled with shrapnel - small metal balls designed to kill pilots and anyone on board, and not so much as destroying the aircraft itself. Back in 2001, when the bodies of the victims were fished out of the sea and examined by pathologists, they were discovered to be filled with such shrapnel balls. By examining the metal alloy used in these balls, the specialists were able to identify the type of the rocket, where and it was produced, and where it was dislocated. The evidence pointed to the Ukrainian unit that conducted the fatal exercises.

The question of "where is the shrapnel" is still relevant with regard to MH-17. Also in this case the bodies of the victims and pilots should have been peppered with the shrapnel balls, and that would have been the strongest evidence for a Buk shootdown, with a rather precise pin-pointing of the offending missile's origin.

100% Pure speculation.

Have you all proofs and offcial documents ? No
Are you expert in analysys ? No

All you do is speculation with a wikipedia article ... LoL

Be serious at least in one post in future.

[nesterovapress]

Hey! Do you know - some interesting analysis of the reasons for the crash of flight #MH17
was made by The Russian Union of Engineers:
http://poccийcкий-coюз-инжeнepoв.pф/en.pdf
http://poccийcкий-coюз-инжeнepoв.pф/de.pdf

There's also a video about that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7puNlaX0s0

I found it illuminating.

[Nemo1024]

Hey! Do you know - some interesting analysis of the reasons for the crash of flight #MH17
was made by The Russian Union of Engineers:
http://poccийcкий-coюз-инжeнepoв.pф/en.pdf
http://poccийcкий-coюз-инжeнepoв.pф/de.pdf

There's also a video about that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7puNlaX0s0

I found it illuminating.

Nice find!
Also, this is probably the first time I see a non-Latin domain name in actual use.

[samaricanin]

Everyone know truth but they covering up their "allies"

[cutesakura]

it is only the transfer issue, the transfer of Palestinians to attack Israel, they want to cover up their savagery killing children and women in Palestine, the media plays an important role in this regard, all the media is controlled by Israel, so that all the media cover their savagery, but when israel attacked by Palestinian fighters, the media immediately picked up the story and considers Palestinian fighters as terrorists, it is very unfair ... 

[carlosiness]

good documentary about this topic: 'MH17 Caught in the Crossfire' (maybe it was posted before)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfGcnTtQbE

[Nemo1024]

good documentary about this topic: 'MH17 Caught in the Crossfire' (maybe it was posted before)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfGcnTtQbE

Comments from awake readers speak volumes:

This reportage meanders between one-sidedness and deception.  Lets start with the claim that "a missile blew the plane from the sky".  Do missiles produce round aligned holes? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBNE99IAAEYZAa.jpg:large There is a growing body of evidence pointing to the Malaysian Boeing having been ambushed by military planes.  Anyone who asks himself the question, cui bono, who benefited from this heinous attack, realizes it wasn't the east-Ukrainian rebels, nor Moscow.

And why didn't the interviewer go talk to the countless relatives of defenseless civilians massacred by the fascist Ukrainian paramilitary units flying the Wolsangel and other Nazi symbols?  Why only talk to this poker-face preacher who seems forgiving of the assassins of his brother and sons (killed only a couple of months before) but somehow still defends the war: "Everybody wants peace but they want it for free.  It doesn't work like that."

Cheap yankee faggot propoganda.Where is the good journalism??Everybody nows that Ukraine and CIA shoot this plane.Why does rebels have to shoot the plane?They not idiots.Make more problems for themselfs fuck you journeyman pictures.For cheap propoganda have some respect for the victims.

Ha, love how they had to show the missile coming from the ground, followed shortly after by 'Russian supplied BUK missiles'.. I have only watched the first few minutes and seen the title, but already I know where this propaganda piece will end up. If the 'documentary' ends up differently to how I imagine it going, I will edit this comment to reflect that.  Who is funding

The separatists and Putin are responding to the violation of "international norms" by the US, EU and their Ukrainian allies who started an insurrection by rock and firebomb throwing ultra nationalists which overthrew a democratically- elected president. This is totally overlooked by the academics and generals who are featured in this video. And the reason for destroying Ukrainian democracy by the western standard bearers of democracy? Because Yanukovich dared to sign a trade deal with Russia rather that the EU.  It's amazing how lacking in self-awareness and honesty these champions of "civilization" are. If we let these people go on leading the West, WWIII is a serious possibility.  

[carlosiness]

This reportage meanders between one-sidedness and deception.  Lets start with the claim that "a missile blew the plane from the sky".  Do missiles produce round aligned holes? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBNE99IAAEYZAa.jpg:large There is a growing body of evidence pointing to the Malaysian Boeing having been ambushed by military planes.  Anyone who asks himself the question, cui bono, who benefited from this heinous attack, realizes it wasn't the east-Ukrainian rebels, nor Moscow.

And why didn't the interviewer go talk to the countless relatives of defenseless civilians massacred by the fascist Ukrainian paramilitary units flying the Wolsangel and other Nazi symbols?  Why only talk to this poker-face preacher who seems forgiving of the assassins of his brother and sons (killed only a couple of months before) but somehow still defends the war: "Everybody wants peace but they want it for free.  It doesn't work like that."

ok, so who did it?

Cheap yankee faggot propoganda.Where is the good journalism??Everybody nows that Ukraine and CIA shoot this plane.Why does rebels have to shoot the plane?They not idiots.Make more problems for themselfs fuck you journeyman pictures.For cheap propoganda have some respect for the victims.

I can say the same about russians: Cheap russians faggot propoganda. So many mass media comments are made by russians RED commentators in our country and all other the internet, some of them this is a paid part-time/full-time job..

[chopstick]

This reportage meanders between one-sidedness and deception.  Lets start with the claim that "a missile blew the plane from the sky".  Do missiles produce round aligned holes? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBNE99IAAEYZAa.jpg:large There is a growing body of evidence pointing to the Malaysian Boeing having been ambushed by military planes.  Anyone who asks himself the question, cui bono, who benefited from this heinous attack, realizes it wasn't the east-Ukrainian rebels, nor Moscow.

And why didn't the interviewer go talk to the countless relatives of defenseless civilians massacred by the fascist Ukrainian paramilitary units flying the Wolsangel and other Nazi symbols?  Why only talk to this poker-face preacher who seems forgiving of the assassins of his brother and sons (killed only a couple of months before) but somehow still defends the war: "Everybody wants peace but they want it for free.  It doesn't work like that."

ok, so who did it?

Cheap yankee faggot propoganda.Where is the good journalism??Everybody nows that Ukraine and CIA shoot this plane.Why does rebels have to shoot the plane?They not idiots.Make more problems for themselfs fuck you journeyman pictures.For cheap propoganda have some respect for the victims.

I can say the same about russians: Cheap russians faggot propoganda. So many mass media comments are made by russians RED commentators in our country and all other the internet, some of them this is a paid part-time/full-time job..

The Ukies shot down the jet to blame on Russia and the separatists.

In perhaps one of the most obvious false flags in history, it failed for several reasons.

1. Multiple sources of evidence clearly show a Ukrop Su-25 shadowing the civilian jet, which Ukraine has denied despite the obvious evidence.

2. Despite their best efforts Ukraine / the west have failed to come up with any compelling evidence that the separatists took down the Civilian jet, despite the Americans having a spy satellite watching the area at the time, and the best they have come up with is some photoshopped "evidence" released from NATO.

3. All of Ukraine's subsequent actions point to a massive cover up. Ukraine never released any of their air traffic control records, in fact they were all seized. The official "investigation" taking place includes Ukraine as a participating investigator, despite being a major suspect in having shot down the craft, and one of the provisions in the investigation is that the conclusions reached will never be released to the public if they are found to be "unfavorable."

Anyone but the most brainwashed of Mcdonald's devouring sheep can clearly see this was a false flag gone wrong.

I shouldn't say it completely failed however, because the MH17 tragedy was still used to bring sanctions on Russia, to some effect.

edit:

One more thing, I don't think I should let this one be forgotten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE

This video was uploaded to youtube on June 18th a full month before the MH17 tragedy.

In this video the militia soldier elena, clearly describes an incident of the Ukrainian military using passenger jets as cover during bombing runs - in what certainly must be a huge violation of international law and undoubtedly makes the Ukies look extremely bad and if they were using civilian passenger jets as cover during bombing runs in an effort to get the separatists to shoot down a passenger jet by accident, then it paints huge suspicion that the Ukies MOST DEFINITELY played a major role in the shoot down of MH17.

[Nemo1024]

What chopstick said, plus the following, which I posted on the other MH-17 thread:

Ukraine’s Snowden: Whistleblower confirms MH17 was shot down by Ukraine
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/ukraines-snowden-whistleblower-confirms-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine/

An employee of a military airfield near #Dnepropetrovsk named Alexander, came forward to reveal what he witnessed on the day of the #MH17 downing in Eastern Ukraine. The identity of the whistleblower is protected for the time being due to fear of revenge attacks against whistleblower’s family still in #Ukraine. The identity is expected to be revealed once family is out of harms way.

...

I also want to draw attention to the curious fact that a large and influential country like Germany tried repeatedly to get its gold back from the US and failed. Germany wasn’t even allowed to inspect its gold properly. At the same time, a small country like the Netherlands apparently managed to get its gold back from the US simply upon asking. We also know that the Netherlands recently refused to give the Crimean Scythian gold back to its owner, the Crimean Museum. Scythian gold was taken out of the Amsterdam museum where it was on exhibit and transferred to an undisclosed location in violation of rules, which state that representatives of the owner-museum must be present during transfer.

How are the MH17, return of the Netherlands gold, and disappearance of the Crimean Scythian gold related?

Here is a logical scenario: The Dutch government is told that if they keep quiet about the real reasons for the MH17 catastrophe, which they are bound to discover in the course of the investigation, and if they sabotage the return of the Scythian gold, they can have back their gold stored at the NY FED.

The above is a more detailed analysis of the events of the past days, that got completely ignored by the Western MSM.

Incidentally, Russian Investigative Committee offers to question Pilot Voloshin on lie detector, which should, if he is innocent, remove any suspicions off him. Kiev denies. Initially, Kiev also denied that Voloshin even existed, but had to revise their stance, when it was pointed out that Poroshenko gave him Medal For Courage “for heroism in defending Ukraine” two days after the shoot-down.

[tee-rex]

This reportage meanders between one-sidedness and deception.  Lets start with the claim that "a missile blew the plane from the sky".  Do missiles produce round aligned holes? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBNE99IAAEYZAa.jpg:large There is a growing body of evidence pointing to the Malaysian Boeing having been ambushed by military planes.  Anyone who asks himself the question, cui bono, who benefited from this heinous attack, realizes it wasn't the east-Ukrainian rebels, nor Moscow.

And why didn't the interviewer go talk to the countless relatives of defenseless civilians massacred by the fascist Ukrainian paramilitary units flying the Wolsangel and other Nazi symbols?  Why only talk to this poker-face preacher who seems forgiving of the assassins of his brother and sons (killed only a couple of months before) but somehow still defends the war: "Everybody wants peace but they want it for free.  It doesn't work like that."

ok, so who did it?

Cheap yankee faggot propoganda.Where is the good journalism??Everybody nows that Ukraine and CIA shoot this plane.Why does rebels have to shoot the plane?They not idiots.Make more problems for themselfs fuck you journeyman pictures.For cheap propoganda have some respect for the victims.

I can say the same about russians: Cheap russians faggot propoganda. So many mass media comments are made by russians RED commentators in our country and all other the internet, some of them this is a paid part-time/full-time job..

Ok, let's leave those wicked russians alone for a moment. Now relatives of the MH17 crash victims are questioning the fairness of the investigation held by the Dutch Safety Board and prosecution service. 20 relatives from Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and the United States say in a letter sent to Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte that the Netherlands “has completely botched” the fact-finding investigation. They also ask that inquiries be handed over to the United Nations.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/12/05/mh17-families-still-want-answers?videoId=347741228&videoChannel=1

[Morbid]

PROJECT CAMELOT:  SIMON PARKES

http://youtu.be/b4WQty5e7Cc

listen from 52nd minute.

.. it would actually be beneficial to watch the whole lot perhaps.

[Nemo1024]

PROJECT CAMELOT:  SIMON PARKES

http://youtu.be/b4WQty5e7Cc

listen from 52nd minute.

.. it would actually be beneficial to watch the whole lot perhaps.

From the summary of that video, I feel that it is moving into far conspiracy territory, something that is often created on purpose to discredit those who question the official line. I think the reasons and motives should be looked for closer to earth.


Dutch government published tens of heavily edited documents pertaining to the crash. RTL News protested against such move from the government and threaten to go to court.
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/10/n_6911705.shtml

[galdur]

MH-17 Cargo Manifest and Airway Bill

https://app.box.com/s/jdaqgjefayc9stzqgq6hs0s9qzka6bnm

[Morbid]

From the summary of that video, I feel that it is moving into far conspiracy territory, something that is often created on purpose to discredit those who question the official line. I think the reasons and motives should be looked for closer to earth.

he pulled out a quite reasonable description of events where russians were informed that the plane was diverted to fly over rostov-on-don to make it look like russian aa shot it down. there were few things onboard to make it spread something harmful. we are all aware by now that there were few secret service sort of people cutting the hull trying to get something out within an hour. well i just heard it thought it might be useful for here as any theory by now can be considered as a "conspiracy" one.

[freedomno1]

It's been a year since that plane was lost time for a brief update (Mar 8 so 1 Year + 3 Days)
Happy 1 Year anniversary

Full Source:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 One Year Later: A Reporter’s Notebook

Keith Bradsher has covered the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 since it happened one year ago this week. He has heard many theories about the missing plane, from the plausible to the extraterrestrial, and described some of them for Insider.

Many years ago, a longtime journalist for The New York Times had this advice for cub reporters in the business news section: always pursue the aviation stories, from corporate mergers to labor disputes to plane crashes. Writing and talking and obsessing about airlines and airplanes, he counseled, was the intellectual’s alternative to watching professional football.

While that may be unfair to pro football, the comment underlined a broader point: Aviation attracts an extraordinary number of very bright people who like to obsess about practically every detail. And that has seldom been more true than with the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

With the first anniversary of the crash on Sunday, the disappearance remains a subject of almost obsessive interest to a veritable cottage industry of aviation experts, telecommunications hobbyists, conspiracy theorists and many others. Some of the theories have the advantage of being fairly simple and straightforward, including that a rogue pilot might have diverted the flight. A report released on Sunday by the Malaysian government appeared to question that theory by noting that closed-circuit television footage showed that the comportment of the two pilots before Flight 370 matched their behavior before previous flights.

Other theories include that the plane could have undergone gradual decompression and the pilots might have become severely confused by hypoxia, or that an onboard fire might have damaged electrical equipment and disabled the flight crew and passengers with smoke while allowing the plane to keep flying.

Many of the other theories would require an ability to keep secrets that might prove difficult in an era of ubiquitous smartphone cameras, and are inconsistent with most experts’ understanding of the satellite transmissions from the aircraft. These theories include the possibility of a hijacking to Central Asia, the Mideast or Somalia, or the shooting down of the plane by some country’s military – a small coterie of Flight 370 aficionados continues to send out emails suggesting that the plane might have reached the British and American base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and was then secretly destroyed.

A more recent proposal suggested that Russian agents could have diverted the plane to a Russian space program base in Kazakhstan after taking the remarkable precaution of tampering with the automatic satellite transmissions so as to cover their tracks. Some of the oddest suggestions, which gave the whole subject a circus-like atmosphere that at times seemed disrespectful of the lives lost and the families of the missing, involved alien abduction or that a black hole might have swallowed the plane.

The Times had a very large team covering the aircraft’s disappearance. Tom Fuller flew from Bangkok to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, soon after the plane disappeared. Chris Buckley, Michael Forsythe and I followed him from Hong Kong and were joined by Kirk Semple, who happened to be in Southeast Asia already. A team of reporters and researchers in Beijing, led by Edward Wong, began tracking down the families of missing passengers, two-thirds of whom were Chinese. Two editors, Philip Pan and Herbert Buchsbaum, coordinated the team. Three experienced transportation writers — Matthew Wald in Washington, Jad Mouawad in New York and Nicola Clark in Paris — began looking at what could have gone wrong on the plane, while Michael Schmidt, Eric Schmitt and others began tapping law enforcement sources and others on the possibility of a hijacking. Editors and graphic artists in New York played large roles.

When the earliest hints emerged a year ago that Malaysia Airlines might have lost contact with one of its planes, editors in New York called me in Hong Kong. I immediately called the best-connected executive I knew in Asian aviation and told him about it, and his immediate response was that pilot suicide had to be strongly considered. Online chat forums for pilots had been morbidly full of discussions for weeks beforehand about the possible role of pilot suicide in a crash in Africa and the broader subject of suicide, he pointed out, and pilot suicide had been a recurrent problem in East Asia.

The executive had no personal stake in the outcome of an eventual investigation – aircraft manufacturers tend to prefer pilot suicide theories to the possibility of aircraft defects, but he had never worked for an aircraft manufacturer. As the weeks and months followed, nothing emerged that would disprove the theory. But it has never been possible to prove the theory either, particularly in the absence of a clear, strong motive beyond the captain’s marital difficulties and his possible concern about the difficulties of a political opposition leader in Malaysia.

Unless the plane is found someday, it may be hard ever to know what really happened. And even if the plane is found, the mystery may persist, as the voice recorder will have no more than the last two hours of sounds from the cockpit and evidence from the data recorder may be inconclusive.

http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/03/10/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-one-year-later-a-reporters-notebook/?_r=0

[Agestorzrxx]

After month,
they still didn't find who fired missiles.

[galdur]

On 8 August 2014 these four investigating nations signed an agreement that the results of the investigation would not be published unless all four countries agreed.  This gave one of the prime suspects in the atrocity, Ukraine, an effective veto over any investigations result that attributed blame to them.  This is an astonishing situation and probably without precedent in modern air crash investigations.

Why the Secrecy on the Mh17 Investigation

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/19/why-the-secrecy-on-the-mh17-investigation/

[deisik]

On 8 August 2014 these four investigating nations signed an agreement that the results of the investigation would not be published unless all four countries agreed.  This gave one of the prime suspects in the atrocity, Ukraine, an effective veto over any investigations result that attributed blame to them.  This is an astonishing situation and probably without precedent in modern air crash investigations.

Why the Secrecy on the Mh17 Investigation

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/19/why-the-secrecy-on-the-mh17-investigation/

From the article:

The Russians further disclosed that at the precise time of the shoot down an American spy satellite was directly overhead the scene and would have recorded the sequence of events.  The Russians invited the Americans to share these data with the official investigation that had been launched

It seems that back then the Americans were shocked by this fact (and more than likely still are), and had been panicking (and are still afraid) that the next evidence the evil Russians could reveal would be the snapshots right from this reconnaissance satellite.