Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread

[opieum2]

I would recommend if you feel defrauded contact law enforcement. The FBI is a resource to contact. My advice would be to contact the NY office so they start seeing a trend of bitcoin related crimes coming though. This will get quicker attention than if you contact just your local FBI office. It has been proven circumstantially (probable cause here) that AMT and Black Arrow were working together at the same location. Joshua Zipkin is on record stating he did work with them (although later edited his statement BUT it is on wayback machine as proof). IF we as a community ALL OF US do not speak up for ourselves. Law enforcement will do nothing. There is an obvious link between the two companies and their operations and methods. It is important that we have that investigated. Both of the CEOs appear to be on the run now and hiding out in Bulgaria or other parts.

Anyone with intention to refund would NOT be hiding out but facing these matters head on. Make of that what you will. But this is the hard reality of the matter. Contact the FBI. The NY FBI is already aware of this matter. Even if you are an international client, the FBI will get their counterparts involved in this matter on your behalf. It is time to stop bitching on the forums and take this to law enforcement. We have been defrauded plain and simple. These men are building petahash farms and giving speeches on industrial mining all on our money that we gave them. Instead they sent us undervalued garbage.

[Pentax]

Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?      

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?

In the world of the Black Arrow customer this is not unusual.

Doing this likely to save on shipping cost and/or some other cost.

Who cares if you're effin house burns down.  Shipping is expensive.

I'm not surprised at all.  When they didn't simply recall them en masse I assumed they'd try some shit like this.

And the people that are shipping the burned up components back?  They're paying the shipping on that, according to what I've seen.  BA product sucks so bad that your miner starts on fire and you've got to pay return shipping.

Black Arrow is the biggest joke of a business I've seen in my entire life and that is saying something.  I've seen a lot of shit-shows, but these guys win top prize hands down.

The other thing that occurs to me is that if something goes wrong with these things in the future and you worked on them and modified them, there's little doubt in my mind that they'd try to hang it on your ass.

I'm not taking delivery of these things and I wouldn't be working on them if I did.  Not a chance in hell.

and what about your insurance company?  your house burns down.  there's a another bunch that will try to get out of paying.

for all I know it might void your policy outright.  I don't know, but people should check. 

[Unacceptable]

Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?     

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?

No joke!!! I found it here:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1397-guide-to-removal-of-1500uf-electrolytic-capacitors/

[SimonBeCoinin]

Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?     

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?

No joke!!! I found it here:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1397-guide-to-removal-of-1500uf-electrolytic-capacitors/

This video on trying to stop your miner catching on fire brought to you by the people that claim your miner cannot catch on fire.

[bitdik]

Did anybody notice that cloud mining has been removed from the BA website, X1s are 'out of stock', and no prices are being displayed anymore:

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/cloud-mining/

Also, I have not seen any forum posts by BA on here or ecoin, are they packing their stuff, and closing shop?

[Vcore]

WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.

[greenlion]

WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.

Not to mention manually twisting them off with your hands while they still hold charge.

[CryptoGuy]

WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.

Not to mention manually twisting them off with your hands while they still hold charge.

Personal safety and customer service are not BA's prerogative. Separating you from your BTC/fiat is all they care about.

[Gleb Gamow]

Right on schedule: Today at 07:30:05 PM   Deleted Post

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

So did everyone stop posting here all of a sudden or is BA just deleting all the posts?

BCT is allowing BA to continue running their auto-delete bot every 15 minutes.

[bitdik]

Check this criminal update on their facebook:


Black Arrow
18 hours ago
A lot of people are asking about the PSU issue in the X3. A small percentage of the PSUs fail due to a capacitor problem. At this point only one report of a fire and the photos submitted didn't reflect an actual fire. If anyone has had an actual fire, please post photos here.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178

[Pentax]

Check this criminal update on their facebook:


Black Arrow
18 hours ago
A lot of people are asking about the PSU issue in the X3. A small percentage of the PSUs fail due to a capacitor problem. At this point only one report of a fire and the photos submitted didn't reflect an actual fire. If anyone has had an actual fire, please post photos here.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178

I've seen similar logic in response to an online article from that Lexx2k that posts here, that is more than likely a BA employee, as he talks about testing miners.  Assuming that it is the same wackadoodle poster, which is a pretty good assumption also.

Anyway, in the comments to that article this cuckoo-bird says:

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-bitcoin-mining-battle-whos-telling-truth/?paged=3

"Proves my point, Show me a Fire??
I’ll repeat there is nothing to burn, PCB can melt and produce large amounts of smoke, but not burn, i will ask again show me fire on any of the pictures. Smoke does not mean fire not in all cases."



So there was no fire IN THE PICTURES, so there was no fire.  As if what someone should have done was go get their camera and take a picture while it was still on fire instead of putting the fire out and THEN taking pictures.

Maybe a nice selfie with a Black Arrow incendiary device burning merrily in the background like the yule log on Christmas Day.

[kfactor]

Maybe a nice selfie with a Black Arrow incendiary device burning merrily in the background like the yule log on Christmas Day.

I would pay money to see this 

[Gleb Gamow]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

The first orders are expected to be shipped at the end of February 2014.

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At today’s Bitcoin price and network hashing rate, X-1 would return $682 in 15 days and X-3 would return $13845 in 15 days (1).

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(1) As Bitcoin network is currently growing, we expect that the actual revenue by the time of shipment to be lower than this.

Yes. Very Very Very much lower than this. You're going to be delivering end of Feb (the target). By the time that date rolls around, your top of the line machine will be barely making $200-300 a month. Pitiful. 6 months away is just wayyyyy too far off.

And my post will probably be deleted but yeah, hopefully a few people may be able to see my message before it becomes so.

Sorry to disappoint you, we are only deleting off-topic posts.

Our view is that Bitcoin Mining is going to live more than the next 6 months.

Our promise to our customers is that we'll deliver the most efficient chip and will practice a minimal profit.

At the time of the actual shipment we'll make sure that we sell our chip at the market price or lower. All pre-orders will benefit of the same discount by the time that we start shipping. No longer you'll pre-order a hardware today just to discover 3 days later that others can pre-order it at 1/3 of the price you've paid.

To prove this post is a lie, I predict this reply will be automatically deleted by a bot Black Arrow has in place at exactly 8:00:05 PM CST.

Nailed it! Right to the second. That makes Alex Sovu of Black Arrow one big motherfuckin' liar.

[bitdik]

Is it me, or has BA been suspiciously quiet lately? Also their mod'ed thread doesn't seem to be actively monitored anymore. No replies on  support (nothing new there), no updates, no shills.

Almost seems that they already packed up shop and left the sinking ship.

[greenlion]

Is it me, or has BA been suspiciously quiet lately? Also their mod'ed thread doesn't seem to be actively monitored anymore. No replies on  support (nothing new there), no updates, no shills.

Almost seems that they already packed up shop and left the sinking ship.

They've done this exact thing several times in the past already.

[terrapinflyer]

I just came across this.
the black arrow conspiracy a company born to scam

Time to fill up the comments with some more useful information...

[bitdik]

There is hope!

http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/09/ftcs-request-court-halts-bogus-bitcoin-mining-operation

[CryptoGuy]

Just posting here since it'll likely be deleted on BA's thread.

Posted by Truth_Seeker at ecointalk, thought it would also be good to have here in case BA deletes it (as they are wont to do):

    

Truth_Seeker, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:20 PM, said:

    I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP.

    Links:

    Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong

    https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php

    UK Action Fraud because their banking is in the UK

    http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

    The names you should mention are  Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77

    The bank information of black arrow is as follows:

    Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED
    Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom
    Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<<
    Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank
    Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom
    Beneficiary country: United Kingdom
    Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX

    Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts:

    EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018
    USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045
    GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317

    I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them!

I just sent my report to the HK Police - it took all of 5 minutes. I didn't report to UK Action Fraud because I'm an early customer and wired my money directly to a HK bank. As the BFL smackdown shows, if enough people complain, the authorities have to respond at some point.

If you're a BA victim, you don't have anything to lose anyway, because they are refusing refunds and only slowly ship now-worthless (or even exploding) mining equipment.

[bitdik]

Can you provide any information of someone that can represent me in Small Claims Court?

They have a registered hk company (Company Registration. 1520309).
If you do a hk company search (it is free) you will find more info:

https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk

I believe their address is:

90 jaffe road
wanchai
hong kong

It is actually really easy to sue people in HK. You don't have to be a HK citizen but you do need to hire someone to represent you in Small Claims Courts (it can't be a lawyer so it is actually cheap to do).

Small Claims Court
If what you are claiming against a business is less than $50,000 HKD then you are eligible to sue them in Small Claims Court.

Why is small claims court good?
-lawyers are not allowed in small claims court
-The person you are suing cannot counter sue you in small claims court.
-You do not have to be a Hong Kong Resident to file a motion with the small claims court
-If black arrow fail to show then you will win the claim by default
-only transport costs can be claimed in small claims court.
-no they can't hire someone from Jamaica and claim the flight as a cost (a Philippine company tried this with my fd and it got thrown out of small claims court)
-Once you win, you are given a legal document (Writ of Fieri Facias) saying BA owe you this much in HKD$
-Then you can hire a HK government bailiff to come and collect anything from BA office that is in the value of the amount they owe you

Imagine turning up to Black Arrow office in Wan Chai and walking off with a bunch of their PCs and some bitcoin wallets while being protected by the bailiffs and the HK police.

How to file a claim for your money back in HK Small Claims Court:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/pphlt/html/sc.htm

Online Forms:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/forms/sc.htm


Or maybe just make a formal complaint to this organisation:

HK Consumer Complaints Council
They recommend you file a complaint against the a local company if as a consumer you come across unfair trade practices, e.g .

-goods or services not correspond to description;
-delay in delivery;
-dissatisfaction to service,

http://www.consumer.org.hk/website/ws_en/complaints_and_advices/how_to_complain/howtocomplain.html

[bitdik]

Seems that this is their automated response nowadays:

Note the footer:

Please note that all our sales, services and communications are subject to our terms and conditions and your reply to this email will be considered an agreement to our terms and conditions from this webpage: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/legal.html

LOL! These people are so retarded it's just funny.

Dear Customer,

We have shipped and delivered your order as per our agreed and signed terms and conditions. We have been informed by DHL that you are refusing to accept the package. Please note that you are not entitled for a refund (as agreed in our terms and conditions). Your refusal to receive your order will either lead to the destruction of your goods or we might accept it as gift to us and send it to other customer. In any case, we will NOT issue you with any refund and our contract has now been fulfilled.

For your peace of mind, please read again the terms and conditions signed and agreed by you when you have placed the order (http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/legal.html)

Delivery Terms
9.1 The Products are delivered to the delivery address specified by the Purchaser, unless otherwise agreed. The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.

Cancelling your order does not entitle you to any refund:

11.3 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.

Please note, that we will refuse DHL to return your package. Should you choose to let DHL destroy it, that is your option; it is your merchandise, you can do whatever you want with it (as long it is for legal purposes only). If you want to give it to us as a gift ( no refund will be issued! ), please let us know and we'll inform DHL to deliver to another customer.

Warning: If you choose to take no action and ignore this message, your package will stay with DHL until they will destroy it.

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Black Arrow Team

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