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Bitcoin => Hardware => Topic started by: nexus99 on July 26, 2014, 04:25:36 PM



Title: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: nexus99 on July 26, 2014, 04:25:36 PM
Anyone prefer to use a thread not modded by BA?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: terrapinflyer on July 26, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
If anyone would like to legally chase BA then here are Black Arrow's and director's details.

Mr Alexandru Ion Sovu
24 Branksome Court
Prospect Street, Reading
RGI 7XR
Berskshire, UK


He is Romanian, living in UK
His email address is alex27a@gmail.com

All info can be found in the link below
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/

Lets see them delete this now...


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: notindexed on July 26, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
tl;dr facts


- Preorder with promised shipping of fully functional hardware due february 2014
- Delaytrain with false promises/lying till time of this writing
- Resellers (which at the time ppl preordered weren't available yet) are getting shipped first (with 6 months delay, only small quantities, ppl reporting hardware DOA, buggy and missing tons of promised features and not meeting advertised performance)
- No refunds (ppl that requested refunds months ago [beginning of this year till <] got told that refunds were only possible once shipping of HW starts. Backers getting fully ignored, ticket-/email-/phone-/forum support ceased since.


CAPS FACTS

NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS INCOMPETENT COMPANY





Worst customer experience ever.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: sirsmokesalot on July 27, 2014, 12:33:43 AM
tl;dr facts


- Preorder with promised shipping of fully functional hardware due february 2014
- Delaytrain with false promises/lying till time of this writing
- Resellers (which at the time ppl preordered weren't available yet) are getting shipped first (with 6 months delay, only small quantities, ppl reporting hardware DOA, buggy and missing tons of promised features and not meeting advertised performance)
- No refunds (ppl that requested refunds months ago [beginning of this year till <] got told that refunds were only possible once shipping of HW starts. Backers getting fully ignored, ticket-/email-/phone-/forum support ceased since.


CAPS FACTS

NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS INCOMPETENT COMPANY





Worst customer experience ever.

This! It is totally messed up. Buncha cheats. Although the delay was until about April, or so they claimed, they never met that deadline either.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bigredbutton on July 27, 2014, 08:05:25 AM
Where is that link for the Department of Commerce in Hong Kong or something like that? BLackArrow deleted the post with the link in the other thread.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: eXOBeX on July 27, 2014, 10:09:31 AM
Deleted from the other thread:-

Are these asshole scammers back to deleting posts? You do know it isn'tworth it to ddelete posts after a couple of days sinc everyone has already seen them.  Well just for good measure. Never order from BA. They are incompetent idiots who I wouldn't trust to serve my fries at McDonalds. Lying scamming pieces of shit, the lot of them. I hope karma meets up with you pricks and your facilities burn and your wives leave you for a more competent man.
That'd make a nice signature, you know ;)

Have BullshittingArseholes shipped ANY miners out to individuals yet, or are they doing the resellers first?
If you bought direct from BA and your miner's arrived, what '00s range was your order in?

Not deleted from the other thread but repeated here anyway:-

I received two out of the four X-1's I ordered and the first one i plugged in sent a shower of sparks everywhere, so far the 2nd unit hashes anywhere from 9 to 90 Ghz regardless of what the Freq is set to, the errors do seem to drop a bit if it's set to 1000 or below.. Your mileage may vary  ::)
So that's the second power supply we know to have gone bang. How many more, I wonder?

Funny how the image showing the PSU manufacturer label seems to have "disappeared". Fortunately Firefox's search history comes up trumps, I originally tried finding a "Sunshine AP187" back when the picture was posted. Here's what AliBaba has to say about it.
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=ap187+power+supply (http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=ap187+power+supply)

Perhaps that's Black Arrow's "surprise"...
http://s18.postimg.org/ak2i9ognd/Way_Of_The_Exploding_PSU.jpg (http://s18.postimg.org/ak2i9ognd/Way_Of_The_Exploding_PSU.jpg)
Make that two for two on the PSU's, i moved my working unit to the shelf i was going to keep it on, plugged it in and fireworks.. unbelievably craptastic parts BA
That's three so far, out of however many on here have received them so far which is a pretty shit failure rate. Should've called them Prospero X360.
Perhaps it's time to give AplusPower the WebOfTrust score they deserve as well.
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/apluspower.cn (https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/apluspower.cn)

Oh, and this is for the Googlebot: Black Arrow Prospero X1 X-1 X3 X-3 power supply dead PSU



Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on July 27, 2014, 01:04:33 PM
I have submitted a negative feedback-rate on bitcointalk for Black Arrow's profile.
I recommend doing the same


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on July 27, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
See here for consumer complaints links/information for Hong Kong and the US.  US information posted by thejaxx. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg8036024#msg8036024

anyone that has anything to contribute there is of course welcome to do so.  coordinated/mass action is more likely to get this taken seriously by consumer groups, the courts and Black Arrow, which has to this point been decidedly non-responsive on a lot of issues. 


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: eXOBeX on July 27, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
This was deleted from the main thread, so I've reposted it and copied it here.

In case they screw around with the online Ts & Cs, here's a PDF copy. The important bit is section 15.2 subsection 16.2.1 (the number error has existed since 2013).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/235199501/Black-Arrow-Terms-and-Conditions (http://www.scribd.com/doc/235199501/Black-Arrow-Terms-and-Conditions)

The fact that they DID delete it tells me they do intend to screw around with them.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: cloverme on July 27, 2014, 08:54:34 PM
So, what's the story with Black Arrow...? It doesn't look like they ever shipped, what's the latest info on them?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: nexus99 on July 27, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
So, what's the story with Black Arrow...? It doesn't look like they ever shipped, what's the latest info on them?

They have shipped some things... other things no.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: eXOBeX on July 27, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
The key word here being some. Not all. Nowhere near all. Sub-ten-percent of orders would be my guess. Any advance on sub-ten anyone?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: itod on July 28, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
This was deleted from the main thread, so I've reposted it and copied it here.

In case they screw around with the online Ts & Cs, here's a PDF copy. The important bit is section 15.2 subsection 16.2.1 (the number error has existed since 2013).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/235199501/Black-Arrow-Terms-and-Conditions (http://www.scribd.com/doc/235199501/Black-Arrow-Terms-and-Conditions)

The fact that they DID delete it tells me they do intend to screw around with them.


You should always quote these things here, never trust a Scribid not to remove it if Black Arrow ask that based on the copyright bases:

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Black Arrow Terms and Conditions
Legal
PLEASE READ THIS PAGE BEFORE USING THIS WEBSITE AND/OR PURCHASING FROM US
This is a legal agreement between you, the purchaser, and Black Arrow LTD (Black Arrow Software, We, Our, Us) that you agree to be bound by when you purchase from Us or visit our Website.
Table of Contents
Terms and Conditions
Product License Agreement
Privacy Policy
Website Acceptable Use Policy
Cookies Policy
Terms and Conditions
Agreement structure
1.1 These terms and conditions of sale shall apply to all sales and deliveries of products or services (the “Products” or the “Services”) from Black Arrow LTD(“Black Arrow Software”) to the purchaser (the “Purchaser”). The terms and conditions of sale together with the order and the order confirmation (if any) are jointly referred to as the “Sales Agreement”. Any conditions contrary to the content of these conditions, e.g. purchase terms or other terms attached to or referred to inthe Purchaser’s order, shall only be applicable if such conditions have been approved in writing by Our authorized signatory.
Order and Order Confirmation
2.1 Upon Our receipt of the Purchaser’s order, the order will be confirmed in accordance with Our procedures. The Purchaser acknowledges and accepts that such order confirmation may be sent via e-mail or other electronic interface. The Purchaser may always request a written order confirmation by contacting Our customer service.
Prices
3.1 The Products are sold at the prices prevailing on the day of order according to the Our price list at that time. Applicable prices do not include taxes, customs or other applicable costs. The Purchaser is solely liable to pay all taxes, customs or other applicable costs related to purchase of the Products.3.2 Products are shipped by and from Our contractor which is located in People's Republic of China. When ordering goods from Us for delivery overseas you maybe subject to import duties and taxes, which are levied once the package reaches the specified destination. Any additional charges for customs clearance must be borne by you; We have no control over these charges and cannot predict what they may be. Customs policies vary widely from country to country, so you should contact your local customs office for further information. Additionally, please note that when ordering from Us, you are considered the importer of record and must comply with all laws and regulations of the country in which you are receiving the goods. Your privacy is important to Us and We know that you care about how information about your order is used and shared. We would like Our international customers and customers dispatching products internationally to be aware that cross-border deliveries are subject to opening and inspection by customs authorities.
Fees and Payment Terms
4.1 Payment shall be made in advance upon order by any manner facilitated by Us. Full payment is a condition for Us to accept an order. If payment is not received within the time that is customary for the used manner of payment, We are entitled (i) until further notice to suspend delivery of outstanding orders from the Purchaser until We receive payment or, and/or (ii) to terminate the Sales Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, We are not bound by the Sales Agreement until payment has been received in full. Costs for freight may be charged separately and We may, in such case, require additional payments to be made as a condition for delivering the Products.
Returns
5.1 Returns are only accepted upon Our prior approval. In the event of a return, We are entitled to make deductions due to any deficiencies. We are entitled to request and require the Purchaser to grant Us opportunity to conduct inspection of the Products prior to accepting a return. Any return cost will be charged to the Purchaser, unless the return has been subject to Our prior approval.5.2 All products must be returned to Us within thirty (30) calendar days from the RMA issue date. If products are not received within the stated thirty (30)calendar-day period, the RMA will become invalid and will be canceled. The customer must obtain a new RMA for any cancelled RMA.When returning hardware for service, the product must be packaged appropriately for safe shipment and sent prepaid. Use of the original packaging is recommended. It is also recommended that all returned products are insured or sent by a shipping method that provides package tracking. Responsibility for loss/damage does not transfer to Us until the returned product is received by Us or one of Our authorized representatives.
Obsolete Product Repair
We will continue to repair obsolete products as long as a qualified support technician is available to perform the repair and replacement component parts and test stands are commercially available.
Limited Warranty
7.1 We warrant the Products against defects in material or workmanship, for a period of one year from the date of purchase; we will, at no charge, repair the Products if they are determined by Us to be defective. After the warranty period, the Purchaser must pay all labor charges.7.2 We will supply new or rebuilt replacements for parts determined by Us to be defective, at no charge, for a period of one (1) year from the date of purchase.7.3 During the labor warranty period, to repair the Product, Purchaser will return the defective Product freight prepaid, or deliver it to Us. The Product to be repaired is to be returned in either its original carton or a similar package affording an equal degree of protection. We will return the repaired Product freight prepaid to Purchaser. All freight costs associated with replacement of warranty parts after expiration of the original labor warranty period are the responsibility of the Purchaser. We are not obligated to provide Purchaser with a substitute unit during the warranty period or at any time.7.4 To repair the device under warranty, the customer has to inform us in writing or via email. We will then e-mail an RMA number, the shipping address and instructions. The product will then have to be returned by the customer to the specified address (to our factory or facility).7.5 This warranty will apply provided that the Products have been used in accordance with the published instructions and does not cover normal wear and tear.Unless otherwise stated our products are for indoor usage only and using them outdoors voids the warranty. This warranty not apply to any of our products which should have been repaired or altered (except by us), tampered with or the seal case has been broken (if applicable), poured onto glue or any other kind of liquids/ substances, subjected to misuse, negligence, or accident.7.6 In no case shall our liability exceed the purchase price. The mentioned provisions do not extend the original warranty period of any product which either been repaired or replaced by us. The user is solely responsible for determining if the product is usable in his or her application.7.7 We will not cover, under any circumstances, any customs or customs processing charges. Any such charges will be billed to the customer.
7.8 If a product has been returned for warranty repair and it is found to be in working order, we will charge a revision fee and the shipping fees to return it back to the customer.
Limitation of Liability
8.1 Our liability under the Agreement is limited to the above mentioned limited warranty. As an exclusive remedy for any covered warranty claim, We may choose to (i) re-deliver new products, (ii) repair the defected Product or (iii) offer cash refund. Such new delivery, repair or refund is conditioned upon the Purchaser’s complaint of a defect or deficiency within the prescribed time specified in these terms and conditions. Should the Purchaser fail to make such complaint within the prescribed time, the Purchaser waives all claims here under in relation to the Products. If requested by Us, all Products which deviate from the warranty shall be returned to Us. We are responsible for arranging such returns. In case of any non-approved returns, the Purchaser is responsible for all shipping costs associated with such return.8.2 Our liability under the Agreement is, irrespective of the type, reason and scope of the defect, deficiency or damage, limited to the value of the individual Product that gave rise to liability. We are under no circumstances liable for damage caused by the Product unless otherwise provided by mandatory product safety- or liability legislation.8.3 We are not liable for any indirect, consequential or special damages or loss of any kind, such as, but not limited to, loss of production, loss of profits and loss of business. We are not liable for compensation for loss or damage due to the Purchaser’s obligation to pay compensation to a third party.8.4 When the customer pays in different currency than USD, any liability we might have (refunds, repairs, etc) will be calculated in USD at the agreed exchange ratio at the time of payment. The customer understands that we are accepting payment in different currency only for the convenience of our customers. It is customer's choice to pay in different currency. Under no circumstances we will be liable for any currency fluctuation.
Delivery Terms
9.1 The Products are delivered to the delivery address specified by the Purchaser, unless otherwise agreed. The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.9.2 Where delivery is delayed due to any of the circumstances constituting force majeure in accordance with "Force Majeure" below or due to any act or omission by the Purchaser, the delivery period shall be extended by such a period as is reasonable in light of the circumstances. The delivery period shall also be extended where the cause of the delay arises after the expiry of the originally agreed delivery period.9.3 If the delivery is prevented due to the Purchaser’s negligent acts or omissions, the risk for the Products shall pass to the Purchaser on the date when the Products were ready for delivery. In case of any damage to delivered Products and/or its packaging, the Purchaser is solely responsible for making any reservation or claim for compensation in relation to the relevant appropriate logistics/freight company.
Customs
Products are shipped by and from our contractor which is located in People's Republic of China. When ordering goods from Us for delivery overseas you may be subject to import duties and taxes, which are levied once the package reaches the specified destination. Any additional charges for customs clearance must be borne by you; we have no control over these charges and cannot predict what they may be. Customs policies vary widely from country to country, so you should contact your local customs office for further information. Additionally, please note that when ordering from Us, you are considered the importer of record and must comply with all laws and regulations of the country in which you are receiving the goods. Your privacy is important to us and we know that you care about how information about your order is used and shared. We would like our international customers and customers dispatching products internationally to be aware that cross-border deliveries are subject to opening and inspection by customs authorities.
Termination
11.1 We reserve the right to terminate and rescind an approved order, or the entire Sales Agreement, immediately in the event the Purchaser breaches the Sales Agreement and fails to rectify such breach within fifteen (15) calendar days from Our written notification to the Purchaser of the breach. Such notice shall not affect Our right to claim damages or any other economic compensation due to the Purchaser’s breach. Further, We reserve the right to immediately terminate and rescind an approved order, or the entire Sales Agreement, in the event that the Purchaser: (i) no longer conducts any of its business activities, (ii) suspends its payments, (iii) enters into liquidation or initiates reorganization, (iv) initiates negotiations with creditors on composition or (v) for any other reason may reasonably be deemed as insolvent.11.2 Termination and rescission under this section shall not under any circumstances give rise to any obligation for Us to pay compensation to the Purchaser, and does not restrict Our possibility to claim damages or other economic compensation due to the event which justified Us to terminate the order or the Agreement.11.3 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.11.4 If we agree to cancel an order based on customer's request, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.
Intellectual Property
12.1 We disclaim any and all written or verbal, explicit or implied warranties on intellectual property infringements with respect to the use of the Products. All logotypes, trademarks or product names set out on the Products and any design of the Products constitutes Our protected intellectual property. Use, reproduction or representation (in whole or in part) of these logotypes, trademarks, product names or the Products themselves regardless of in what form it occurs, is prohibited unless such use is approved in writing in advance by Us. The Purchaser undertakes not to remove or alter Our labeling of the Products.
Force Majeure
13.1 We are exempted from fulfilling its obligations under this Sales Agreement and is entitled to cancel the Purchaser’s confirmed orders without any liability, in the event of force majeure such as strikes, floods and fires, wars, riots, interruptions in transport, shortage of material or energy sources affecting Our or Our sub-suppliers, accidents or other occurrences which affects sub-suppliers’ production, bankruptcy or compulsory liquidation of a sub-supplier, accidents of any kind, governmental decisions which affects manufacturing or use of the Products and, in general, such events that were unforeseen at the time of the order which prevents or hinder manufacturing, transportation or delivery of the Products to the Purchaser.
Personal Data
14.1 Personal data provided to Us within the framework of an order for Products will be recorded and processed by Us and may also be transferred to the third party providers (such as hosting providers or payment processing providers) for the execution of the order for Products. The Purchaser hereby consents to such processing of personal data. We are the personal data controller for the personal data that We process. We shall take appropriate technical and organizational measures to protect the Purchasers personal data. You at any time contact Us to receive more information about Our processing of your personal data and to correct any inaccurate personal information.
General
15.1 Amendments, Assignments etc.
15.1.1 Any written or oral undertakings and commitments made prior to the Sales Agreement are replaced by the content in these general terms and conditions of sale. The Purchaser may not assign or pledge its rights and/or obligations under this Agreement, in whole or in part, without Our prior written consent.15.1.2 We may amend this Sales Agreement in whole or in part. The amended Sales Agreement will apply to all orders submitted subsequent to publishing.
15.2 Applicable law and dispute resolution
16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.
15.3 Confidentiality
16.3.1 The Purchaser undertakes not to reveal information which the Purchaser receives from Us and which are Our trade secrets or otherwise of such naturethat it may be considered as confidential information to any third party. This undertaking shall apply during the term of the agreement and thereafter. ThePurchaser further undertakes to take necessary measures to prevent confidential information from being disclosed to third parties by the Purchaser’s employees or contractors.
15.4 Miscellaneous
Each provision of this agreement is severable. If any provision is declared void, illegal, or unenforceable, such provision shall be modified to the minimum extent necessary to render it valid, legal, and enforceable while effectuating insofar as possible the basic purposes of such provision. The remaining provisions shall remain in full force and effect.This agreement is binding on successors and assigns.You agree and we agree to waive, to the maximum extent permitted by law, any right to a jury trial with respect to any dispute and all disputes will be resolved through binding arbitration. Because this waiver may not be effective in some jurisdictions, this waiver may not apply to you. You acknowledge that you have read this agreement, that you understand it, that you agree to be bound by its terms, and that this is the complete and exclusive statement of the agreement between you and us regarding the Hardware and Software.
Product License and Usage Agreement
This agreement covers all hardware and software that is distributed with our products, for which there is no separate license agreement.By opening or breaking the seal of the package, using our products, installing or downloading the software, or using our products and/or the software that has been pre loaded or is embedded in our products, you agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement.TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE APPLICABLE LAW, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL BLACK ARROW OR ANY OF ITS LICENSORS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DATA TRANSFERRED TO AND FROM OUR PRODUCTS, FOR ITS USAGE, FOR ANY LOSS OF DATA OR INCOME OR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INDIRECT DAMAGES HOWSOEVER CAUSED.You must understand that you, and not us, is responsible for all data transferred to and from our products and for their usage. We are not responsible for anything you do with our products. You must not use our products in any way that will, or is likely to breach any law. You must not use our products for any fraudulent purposes, or in connection with a criminal offence or other unlawful activity.You must not use our products to obtain any information without the owner’s knowledge or approval. You must not send, use or reuse any material that is illegal,offensive, abusive, indecent, defamatory, obscene or menacing; or in breach of copyright, trademark, confidence, privacy or any other right; or is otherwiseinjurious to third parties; or objectionable; or which consists of or contains software viruses, political campaigning, commercial solicitation, chain letters, massmailings or any "spam". You and your applications of our products must not cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety. You will safeguard the use anddistribution of our products and make any effort to prevent illegal use from occurring.This license is effective until terminated. It will terminate upon the conditions set forth above or if you fail to comply with any of its terms. Upon termination, youagree that the Hardware, Software and accompanying materials, and all copies thereof, will be destroyed. This agreement is governed by the laws of Hong Kong S.A.R of P.R.C
Website Acceptable Use Policy
This acceptable use policy sets out the terms between you and us under which you may access www.blackarrowsoftware.com (our website). This acceptable use policy applies to all users of, and visitors to, our website.Your use of our website means that you accept, and agree to abide by, all the policies in this document.
Prohibited uses
You may use our website only for lawful purposes. You may not use our website:In any way that breaches any applicable local, national or international law or regulation.In any way that is unlawful or fraudulent, or has any unlawful or fraudulent purpose or effect.For the purpose of harming or attempting to harm anybody in any way.To transmit, or procure the sending of, any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising or promotional material or any other form of similar solicitation (spam).To knowingly transmit any data, send or upload any material that contains viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time-bombs, keystroke loggers, spyware, adware or any other harmful programs or similar computer code designed to adversely affect the operation of any computer software or hardware.You also agree:Not to reproduce, duplicate, copy or re-sell any part of our website in contravention of the provisions of the terms in this document Not to access without authority, interfere with, damage or disrupt:any part of our website;any equipment or network on which our website is stored;any software used in the provision of our website; or any equipment or network or software owned or used by any third party.
Interactive services
We may from time to time provide interactive services on our website, including, without limitation:Online chat support Forum/Message Boards Social Network Integration Where we do provide any interactive service, we will provide clear information to you about the kind of service offered, if it is moderated and what form of moderation is used (including whether it is human or technical). We will do our best to assess any possible risks for from third parties when they use any interactive service provided on our website, and we will decide in each case whether it is appropriate to use moderation of the relevant service (including what kind of moderation to use) in the light of those risks.However, we are under no obligation to oversee, monitor or moderate any interactive service we provide on our website, and we expressly exclude our liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of any interactive service by a user in contravention of our content standards, whether the service is moderated or not. For the avoidance of doubt, we do not currently monitor the content of any interactive services.The use of any of our interactive services by a minor is subject to the consent of their parent or guardian. We advise parents who permit their children to use an interactive service that it is important that they communicate with their children about their safety online, as moderation is not foolproof. Minors who are using any interactive service should be made aware of the potential risks to them.Where we do moderate an interactive service, we will normally provide you with a means of contacting the moderator, should a concern or difficulty arise.
Content standards
These content standards apply to any and all material which you contribute to our website (“contributions”), and to any interactive services associated with it. You must comply with the spirit of the following standards as well as the letter. The standards apply to each part of any contribution as well as to its whole.Contributions must:Be accurate (where they state facts).Be genuinely held (where they state opinions).Comply with applicable law in Hong Kong SAR and in any country from which they are posted.Contributions must not:Contain any material which is defamatory of any person.Contain any material which is obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory.Promote sexually explicit material.Promote violence.Promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation or age.Infringe any copyright, database right or trade mark of any other person.Be likely to deceive any person.Be made in breach of any legal duty owed to a third party, such as a contractual duty or a duty of confidence.Promote any illegal activity.Be threatening, abuse or invade another's privacy, or cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety.Be likely to harass, upset, embarrass alarm or annoy any other person.Be used to impersonate any person, or to misrepresent your identity or affiliation with any person.Give the impression that they emanate from us, if this is not the case. Advocate, promote or assist any unlawful act such as (by way of example only) copyright infringement or computer misuse.
Suspension and termination
We will determine, in our discretion, whether there has been a breach of this acceptable use policy through your use of our website. When a breach of this policy has occurred, we may take such action as we deem appropriate.Failure to comply with this acceptable use policy constitutes a material breach of these terms of use upon which you are permitted to use our website, and may result in our taking all or any of the following actions:Immediate, temporary or permanent withdrawal of your right to use our website.Immediate, temporary or permanent removal of any posting or material uploaded by you to our website.Issue of a warning to you.Legal proceedings against you for reimbursement of all costs on an indemnity basis (including, but not limited to, reasonable administrative and legal costs)resulting from the breach.Further legal action against you.Disclosure of such information to law enforcement authorities as we reasonably feel is necessary.We exclude liability for actions taken in response to breaches of this acceptable use policy. The responses described in this policy are not limited, and we may take any other action we reasonably deem appropriate.
Changes to the acceptable use policy
We may revise this acceptable use policy at any time by amending this page. You are expected to check this page from time to time to take notice of any changes we make, as they are legally binding on you. Some of the provisions contained in this acceptable use policy may also be superseded by provisions or notices published elsewhere on our website.
Privacy Policy
 At Black Arrow Software Ltd we are committed to protect and preserve the privacy of our visitors when visiting our site or communicating electronically with us.This Privacy Policy contains an explanation of what happens to personal data that you choose to provide to us, or that we collect from you whilst you visit this site.Our Privacy Policy should be read in conjunction with our “Terms of Use of Our Website”.We do occasionally update this Policy so please do return and review this Policy from time to time.
Information We Collect
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Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on July 28, 2014, 02:54:42 AM
I must inform proper UK authority about it! Maybe he has been chased by Romanian authorities. It is written in the article that he avoided prosecution because he left the country.
I will try to find out who I should provide tihs information to. And let them know that he is very likely to be commiting another crime again right now!


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: SirWizz on July 28, 2014, 02:56:08 AM
It certainly looks that way - BA is basically the company of a con-man. That, and PG was right... it really isn't a stretch comparing them and BFL. They are both companies run by con men, and while BA appears to be slightly more competent (and I use the term loosely) that's really not saying much - and that's why we're in this mess.

PG was right all along I suppose - should have listened to him :(.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: terrapinflyer on July 28, 2014, 04:56:25 AM
I hate to say it, PG was rite on this from the get go. I should have listened to him and not argued...


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: nexus99 on July 28, 2014, 05:18:34 AM
It certainly looks that way - BA is basically the company of a con-man. That, and PG was right... it really isn't a stretch comparing them and BFL. They are both companies run by con men, and while BA appears to be slightly more competent (and I use the term loosely) that's really not saying much - and that's why we're in this mess.

PG was right all along I suppose - should have listened to him :(.

Isn't PG on the take now? I heard he was bought by Butterfly Labs. Supposedly that's why he isn't active any more. At least under that name.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Unacceptable on July 28, 2014, 06:49:10 AM
It certainly looks that way - BA is basically the company of a con-man. That, and PG was right... it really isn't a stretch comparing them and BFL. They are both companies run by con men, and while BA appears to be slightly more competent (and I use the term loosely) that's really not saying much - and that's why we're in this mess.

PG was right all along I suppose - should have listened to him :(.

Isn't PG on the take now? I heard he was bought by Butterfly Labs. Supposedly that's why he isn't active any more. At least under that name.

He just took a bribe is all,not a payroll thing.I think you guys hurt his feelings so he went deeper into the "barnwood porn" scene  :D


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: itod on July 28, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
My post was just deleted from the Black Arrow self-moderated thread. Posting it here:





Mate, just read what is under the links above. It seems like he has been chased by Romanian authorities for large scale fraud!

I'm glad that I've stopped at the last moment from ordering from Black Arrow. Sorry for everyone who fell victims to these serial scammers:

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GOVERNMENT OF ROMANIA
On 01/14/2003, workers in DGCCOA-Brigade Bucharest, based on the information held, and a search warrant issued by the Public Prosecutor at the Court of Appeal, proceeded to carry out house searches in homes following: Sovu Alexandru Ion, 24 years old from Bucharest, sector 2; Sovu Mircea Dan, the brother mentioned above, 23 years, Bucuresti, Sector 2, both associated to a company in Bucharest; and STOENESCU LILIANA bridegroom, 32 years old from Bucharest, sector 6.

Those concerned together with RADUT Mircea, 32 years, Bucuresti, Sector 4 and Ixari Iulia Cristina 26 years old from Bucharest, sector 2, were part of a network that deals with committing computer fraud via the Internet community.

In fact, in the period 2000 - 2002, the brothers launched Sovu more orders on the Internet at online stores abroad (in particular the United States, Australia and Canada) for the purchase of goods using fraudulent card numbers Credit is not theirs, without the knowledge or authorization of the true owners. After orders have arrived in Romania about 100 parcels names and addresses accomplices, STOENESCU LILIANA bridegroom and Mircea RADUT which to raise their courier and postal offices in exchange from the brothers amounts between 300,000 and 1,000 .000 USD, depending on the contents of the package.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: zhinkk on July 28, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
So, what's the story with Black Arrow...? It doesn't look like they ever shipped, what's the latest info on them?

It's weird suddenly seeing this because I stepped out of the mining scene when Black Arrow was an amazing company. Now I come back and read all this... it seems like no company can keep it's reputation up anymore.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: ducmami on July 28, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
i've got my second x1. order 3xx
is there any x3 shipped?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: alfabitcoin on July 28, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
My post was just deleted from the Black Arrow self-moderated thread. Posting it here:





Mate, just read what is under the links above. It seems like he has been chased by Romanian authorities for large scale fraud!

I'm glad that I've stopped at the last moment from ordering from Black Arrow. Sorry for everyone who fell victims to these serial scammers:

Quote
GOVERNMENT OF ROMANIA
On 01/14/2003, workers in DGCCOA-Brigade Bucharest, based on the information held, and a search warrant issued by the Public Prosecutor at the Court of Appeal, proceeded to carry out house searches in homes following: Sovu Alexandru Ion, 24 years old from Bucharest, sector 2; Sovu Mircea Dan, the brother mentioned above, 23 years, Bucuresti, Sector 2, both associated to a company in Bucharest; and STOENESCU LILIANA bridegroom, 32 years old from Bucharest, sector 6.

Those concerned together with RADUT Mircea, 32 years, Bucuresti, Sector 4 and Ixari Iulia Cristina 26 years old from Bucharest, sector 2, were part of a network that deals with committing computer fraud via the Internet community.

In fact, in the period 2000 - 2002, the brothers launched Sovu more orders on the Internet at online stores abroad (in particular the United States, Australia and Canada) for the purchase of goods using fraudulent card numbers Credit is not theirs, without the knowledge or authorization of the true owners. After orders have arrived in Romania about 100 parcels names and addresses accomplices, STOENESCU LILIANA bridegroom and Mircea RADUT which to raise their courier and postal offices in exchange from the brothers amounts between 300,000 and 1,000 .000 USD, depending on the contents of the package.

I seen this last year in May or July from some lancelot gb organizer with a lancelot purchase went south. BA did not want to use escrow and gb organizer was not willing to do it without regatding it was a big amount of money. Ba even post that alex sovu were their reseller in uk and hes changed man. Full story can be found in archive forum.

Then I decided that BA is a shady and can not be trusted with big amount of money. Also when they announced making own asic with preorder I voiced my concerns but they deleted it. Think ba is one guy company, outsourcing all and thus have a good chance of fuck up - that happened.

Also due statue of limitation authority can not do much about it today.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on July 28, 2014, 03:24:08 PM
Consumer Legal Action Fund. Helping consumers to file and defend their claim.

http://www.consumer.org.hk/website/ws_en/legal_protection/consumer_legal_actions_fund/CLAFBriefPDF.pdf

How to report a fraud in UK:

http://fraudaid.com/How-To-Deal-With-Having-Been-Conned/Fraud_Report/Jurisdictions/International/ScotlandYard.htm

Hong Kong's Consumer Complaint Form (in english):

https://www.consumer.org.hk/cc-complaint/index.php?lang=en


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: DonRavy on July 29, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
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You're a bunch of filthy liars. Once my deadline for the refund is over tomorrow evening, I'll open up all the details I have from my private conversations with David here (in the unmoderated thread since you're oh so honest and transparent), you can bet you'll have a shitstorm flying at you after that, with all the crap I got on you.

You can also tell Mr. Sovu that I've talked to my legal council about the possibility of contacting interpol based on his hands in this as directory of BA, respectively Merlion Holding Ltd. I'm sure those guys will be interested to question him about his shenannigans in Romania as well.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on July 31, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
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You're a bunch of filthy liars. Once my deadline for the refund is over tomorrow evening, I'll open up all the details I have from my private conversations with David here (in the unmoderated thread since you're oh so honest and transparent), you can bet you'll have a shitstorm flying at you after that, with all the crap I got on you.

You can also tell Mr. Sovu that I've talked to my legal council about the possibility of contacting interpol based on his hands in this as directory of BA, respectively Merlion Holding Ltd. I'm sure those guys will be interested to question him about his shenannigans in Romania as well.

So is your deadline over? Have you followed any actions?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: DonRavy on July 31, 2014, 06:02:33 PM
Of course, there hasn't been a single deadline BA hasn't missed in this whole endeavour.

Check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.20 for the legal proceedings in the near future, so far I've done the preliminary paperwork and sorted most of the financial stuff (legal insurance etc), next week I'll continue to meet with my legal council to discuss various aspects like joining up with Pentax and others to form a class action lawsuit against BA. Depending on how that goes I'll continue to confer with Pentax and see where that gets us, the planned course of action would be to hire a lawyer in HK together, to file the preliminary court papers and go from there. I'm still not 100% sure on jurisdiction, with the 1 country 2 systems policy, but that's one of the first points that I'll clear up next week. There might be a remote possibility that we'll be able to file in HK (place of registration/incorporation) as well as mainland PRC (place of business). Due to the fact that Merlion Holdings Ltd. with it's seat on the British Virgin Islands is the main controlling body of Black Arrow, there could even be a slight possibility to try our luck in front of european, respectively UK courts.

Other points include filing for personal liability of BA's management due to gross negligence and possibly having my legal council contact Interpol with details on the whole Mr. Sovu issue, both in this matter and the past shenannigans in Romania, as mentioned earlier. I'll keep people posted, albeit in the thread I linked above.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on August 01, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
Of course, there hasn't been a single deadline BA hasn't missed in this whole endeavour.

Check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.20 for the legal proceedings in the near future, so far I've done the preliminary paperwork and sorted most of the financial stuff (legal insurance etc), next week I'll continue to meet with my legal council to discuss various aspects like joining up with Pentax and others to form a class action lawsuit against BA. Depending on how that goes I'll continue to confer with Pentax and see where that gets us, the planned course of action would be to hire a lawyer in HK together, to file the preliminary court papers and go from there. I'm still not 100% sure on jurisdiction, with the 1 country 2 systems policy, but that's one of the first points that I'll clear up next week. There might be a remote possibility that we'll be able to file in HK (place of registration/incorporation) as well as mainland PRC (place of business). Due to the fact that Merlion Holdings Ltd. with it's seat on the British Virgin Islands is the main controlling body of Black Arrow, there could even be a slight possibility to try our luck in front of european, respectively UK courts.

Other points include filing for personal liability of BA's management due to gross negligence and possibly having my legal council contact Interpol with details on the whole Mr. Sovu issue, both in this matter and the past shenannigans in Romania, as mentioned earlier. I'll keep people posted, albeit in the thread I linked above.

That sounds great. Please keep us posted


Title: XBTec.io - Black Arrow in disguise?
Post by: eXOBeX on August 03, 2014, 08:13:02 PM
Has anyone else just got email spam about an XBTec PACIFIC V2 machine to an email address they've only used at blackarrow? I'm wondering if they've sold/passed-on their customer/victim database to someone else, or had it exploited?

Yep, same here. Email address used only for the Black Arrow order, nowhere else. The bulk mailing has been sent via MailChimp, there's an abuse report address in the email header.

Whois (http://www.nic.io/cgi-bin/whois) search indicates it's owned by Artem Solodkiy. First registered 16th May 2014, yet the About page reckons they were founded in 2012.

The Pacific 1250 even uses the same PSU as the Prospero X3.
Rear of Pacific 1250
http://www.xbtec.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_2119-500x375.jpg

Rear of Prospero X3
http://ecointalk.net/uploads/gallery/album_20/gallery_5_20_114938.jpg

X3 PSU (model AP188)
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0399/4181/products/AP188_PSU_picture.png?v=1399557705

Looks to me like Black Arrow is getting ready to jump ship and start scamming under a new name (seeing as the BA name will be forever mud it's the logical thing to do). In any case XBTec have obtained email addresses without permission, which gives you some idea of how trustworthy they are. Scammer or spammer, you decide.

Quote from: news@xbtec.io
PACIFIC V2
The Best Miner Available Today
XBTec* unveils a 1.57TH/s compact bitcoin miner with the fastest ROI for a period of less than 3 months, for the price $1399! The power consumption is only 0.8W per GH, which is the most effective solution available today.
 
In development of this miner many shortcomings of previous miners were taken into consideration. In order to achieve such performance with such sizes and power consumption, we had to overcome multiple complex technical problems. Here are some photos of our first model PACIFIC 1250 which is available in stock:
 
XBTec PACIFIC V2 is a joint product of Chinese and Russian engineers. Today it is the most competitive bitcoin miner in terms of price, power consumption and size. Our engineers have optimized the architecture of the PCB board. While developing the miner, we took into account how important it is for the users that the hardware does not emit excessive noise. Indeed, many people use these devices at home, where unnecessary noise is undesirable.

The PCB boards and aluminum cases are ready now! The miners will be shipped on August 31st. We have a special offer on the pre-orders: just use this promotion code kdie8-rjdy2-274jf-3lroe and get $100 extra discount (valid for the first 100 orders only).
 
Moreover, XBTec is preparing to bring a cloud mining solution into the market. The capacity of the data center will be 1 Petahash.
 
*The company’s headquarters is located in Hong Kong. Its developers are based in Moscow and Shenzhen. Factory is located in Shenzhen.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on August 04, 2014, 11:24:34 AM
If it is true then that's just bloody great...


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on August 06, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
Black Arrow removed my message about Hong Kong's Consumer Council sending me an e-mail and letter with confirmation of opening up the case against Black Arrow.

Now Black Arrow has just tried to blackmail me in private message. Here is teh conversation. I've got print screens which I will upload online later.

Black Arrow:
 Sent to: BitCoin Operated Boy on: Today at 04:01:25 PM

Dear Customer,

What is your order number?

Regards!
Black Arrow
  
Me:

I will not provide you with my order details as you threatened forum members with consequences.

If you want t know my order number then you shall see it on the letter from Consumer Council regarding my complaint.

Black Arrow:

How can we ship your order first if you do not let us know what order you want to be shipped?
What kind of consequences can we threaten with?

Me:

I requested a refund two and a half months ago. I do not want the miner to be shipped now. It was supposed to be shipped in February. I'd like to receive my refund. The order number is stated in the letter and you can refer it to my refund request tickets submitted on https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/support/index.php?

How can we refund if we do not know what order to refund?

Me:

Are you willing to refund it if I give you my order details. And if so when will you process the refund?

Black Arrow:

I need to look into your your order to answer to this question.

Me:

Sorry but that obviously means that you are not willing to process the refund. Sorry but I'm not stupid.
Once you confirm you will refund my order and when then I will give you the order number. I only ordered one X3 worth $6,028.15.
If you don't confirm then please refer yourself to the order on the letter from the council.

Regards,

Black Arrow:

If you do not wish to receive a refund that is up to you. We will ship your order then.

Me:

I've got a print screen of this conversation. I'm going to keep sharing it on the forum as long as it is required.
You have gone to far again. I won't tolerate your childish threats of refusing to refund my order. If you try to ignore my refund request by sending the miner you will ger your miner back and I will do the best I can for you to take consequences of this.
I will use the content of this conversation to support my claims against your comapany.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: terrapinflyer on August 06, 2014, 06:36:13 PM
Posting this here because Im sure I will get deleted again.

Now BA is posting my personal info in my trust setting?
Do you think I have something to hide BA?
Fucking scamming lying pieces of shit.

I have absolutely nothing to hide BA. You can post my personal info here since you have already violated my privacy by selling my email address I suppose the only last thing to do is publicly share my name and shipping address for the whole world to see.
Unlike you I have worked hard over the last year and some months to build a strong positive reputation here that will not be smeared by your pitiful attempt. 

I will absolutely not remove my neg feedback now. In fact I will be posting neg feedback every day until you remove my name and address. I urge all other customers to post your experience neg or otherwise in their profile.   


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Specialkey on August 23, 2014, 04:56:10 AM
Hit them  Ba posers with metal.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bigredbutton on August 23, 2014, 05:42:52 AM
I have all my information together including all converstaions and lies from BA. My refund window and come and gone and nothing from BA but Lies. I am ready to spend double what I spent on miners pursuing legal action aganist these fuckers.

I would love to submit all the information I have if someone already has a case going aganist them. Several months ago I read about some class action thing through the HK government, with links to the case file. Anyone know anything about this? Is there a larger case aganist these guys or is just a bunch of small fries like us all pursing some deadend legal battle?

I found this...

Just pasting this in here, as I imagine BA will delete it from the self moderated thread.




The company is registered in Hong Kong, so the proper agency from what I have been able to find out so far is the Hong Kong Consumer Council.

They request some documents and need to establish that this is a Hong Kong registered company  before they will agree to pick it up, therefore:

Send the annual report http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf

along with the documents they have requested.  Those documents are:

1.  The invoice showing you paid
2   your bank or payment records showing the payment
3.  any e-mail or support discussions  you've had
4.  The annual report referenced above.

Here's the link to file a complaint if you decide you want to do that.

https://www.consumer.org.hk/cc-complaint/index.php?lang=en

Also indicate that their TOS indicates Hong Kong law and paste that in to your message.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

15.2 Applicable law and dispute resolution
16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.

This is all the information they will need to pick this up.  They have been very helpful and responsive.  If that goes nowhere, Shenzhen Consumer Group, with which I have also been talking and then the lawyers will be next.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Jcga on August 23, 2014, 04:32:22 PM
Thx guyz for sharing for those precious links.

After 6 months I just can't handle it no more, this is too much depressin and my moral went down and i'm also unemployed now, i have been silly too much patient.
I did ask last night for an Refund and feel better now.

I have this question plz : what is BA address, their office please.
there is one in their website and another one in their "Annual Report".

TIA



Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: klintay on August 23, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
They have a registered hk company (Company Registration. 1520309).
If you do a hk company search (it is free) you will find more info:

https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk

I believe their address is:

90 jaffe road
wanchai
hong kong

It is actually really easy to sue people in HK. You don't have to be a HK citizen but you do need to hire someone to represent you in Small Claims Courts (it can't be a lawyer so it is actually cheap to do).

Small Claims Court
If what you are claiming against a business is less than $50,000 HKD then you are eligible to sue them in Small Claims Court.

Why is small claims court good?
-lawyers are not allowed in small claims court
-The person you are suing cannot counter sue you in small claims court.
-You do not have to be a Hong Kong Resident to file a motion with the small claims court
-If black arrow fail to show then you will win the claim by default
-only transport costs can be claimed in small claims court.
-no they can't hire someone from Jamaica and claim the flight as a cost (a Philippine company tried this with my fd and it got thrown out of small claims court)
-Once you win, you are given a legal document (Writ of Fieri Facias) saying BA owe you this much in HKD$
-Then you can hire a HK government bailiff to come and collect anything from BA office that is in the value of the amount they owe you

Imagine turning up to Black Arrow office in Wan Chai and walking off with a bunch of their PCs and some bitcoin wallets while being protected by the bailiffs and the HK police.

How to file a claim for your money back in HK Small Claims Court:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/pphlt/html/sc.htm

Online Forms:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/forms/sc.htm


Or maybe just make a formal complaint to this organisation:

HK Consumer Complaints Council
They recommend you file a complaint against the a local company if as a consumer you come across unfair trade practices, e.g .

-goods or services not correspond to description;
-delay in delivery;
-dissatisfaction to service,

http://www.consumer.org.hk/website/ws_en/complaints_and_advices/how_to_complain/howtocomplain.html


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Jcga on August 25, 2014, 12:27:45 AM
Thx you guys, very helping, great work.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: mazedk on August 25, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
Anyone who can tell me how to hard reset an x-1 ?

I'v moved my miners to an offsite location and suddenly one wont take DHCP.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 25, 2014, 10:20:22 PM
So, what's the story with Black Arrow...? It doesn't look like they ever shipped, what's the latest info on them?

It's weird suddenly seeing this because I stepped out of the mining scene when Black Arrow was an amazing company. Now I come back and read all this... it seems like no company can keep it's reputation up anymore.

When the hell was Black Arrow an amazing company when I figured them a scam within minutes of visiting their thread?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: nosferatujeff on August 26, 2014, 05:19:12 PM
Well you were right, PG, you were right. And man was I wrong.

Any idea on where we can go from here? You seem to have unique insight.

If the HK CC was effective, everyone would be doing it. If legal avenues worked, this would have blossomed to a class action. (Not a lawyer just my observations). BFL is doing the same thing in reality, and is a US based company, and is still for all intents and purposes untouched.

My guess is company realizes if they deliver anything at any time they are off the hook because of location.

Frustrated here and company is non-responsive to an extreme, at least Josh would poke his head out from time to time.

Perhaps this can be written off as an investment loss.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 26, 2014, 05:35:20 PM
Well you were right, PG, you were right. And man was I wrong.

Any idea on where we can go from here? You seem to have unique insight.

If the HK CC was effective, everyone would be doing it. If legal avenues worked, this would have blossomed to a class action. (Not a lawyer just my observations). BFL is doing the same thing in reality, and is a US based company, and is still for all intents and purposes untouched.

My guess is company realizes if they deliver anything at any time they are off the hook because of location.

Frustrated here and company is non-responsive to an extreme, at least Josh would poke his head out from time to time.

Perhaps this can be written off as an investment loss.

I also figured AMT out the first time I visited their thread, albeit months late to the party and most the leg work I did had for the most part already been done, but did bring further insight to the table on a continuous basis. Today, I get to go the Sandwich Police Dept. and fill out a complain and possible warrant for Joshua Zipkin for publicly threatening to kill six people (and a dog). Seriously!

The very person who claimed that I am unstable has run amok and proven to be himself highly unstable.

BTW, Joshua Zipkin has teamed up Alex Sovu in hopes of bringing Jewish-Bulgarian-Gypsy miners to the market. He's already in bed with Dragon.

~Bruno Kucinskas


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: tempestb on August 26, 2014, 05:56:14 PM
People say they are calling their lawyers, but nothing ever comes of it.  Apparently nobody wants to sink their teeth into Black Arrow for the bitcoins they haven't spent. 

It's basically a total loss for a lot of people who are still waiting and may never get anything.  A lot of vocal folks who say they are going to do something about it, but haven't.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on August 28, 2014, 12:24:44 AM
People say they are calling their lawyers, but nothing ever comes of it.  Apparently nobody wants to sink their teeth into Black Arrow for the bitcoins they haven't spent. 

It's basically a total loss for a lot of people who are still waiting and may never get anything.  A lot of vocal folks who say they are going to do something about it, but haven't.


It may look that way, but it is not the case.

The wheels turn slowly but they are turning.


People that want to see something done should also be doing something.  The more complaints that are filed the more seriously this will be taken by the people in Hong Kong and China.

Simply because there is not a lot of talking here doesn't mean there is nothing going on.  There is plenty moving around on this, however, working with government agencies and lawyers half a world away takes time.  They have their processes also and aren't going to step outside them for a handful of bitcoiners.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: greenlion on August 29, 2014, 02:16:41 PM
People say they are calling their lawyers, but nothing ever comes of it.  Apparently nobody wants to sink their teeth into Black Arrow for the bitcoins they haven't spent. 

It's basically a total loss for a lot of people who are still waiting and may never get anything.  A lot of vocal folks who say they are going to do something about it, but haven't.


It may look that way, but it is not the case.

The wheels turn slowly but they are turning.


People that want to see something done should also be doing something.  The more complaints that are filed the more seriously this will be taken by the people in Hong Kong and China.

Simply because there is not a lot of talking here doesn't mean there is nothing going on.  There is plenty moving around on this, however, working with government agencies and lawyers half a world away takes time.  They have their processes also and aren't going to step outside them for a handful of bitcoiners.

Everyone affected must file complaints, China doesn't fuck around, if they receive sufficient complaints to draw their attention, the provincial government has the authority to go after BA directly. Thr first step is everyone absolutely must let Hong Kong know that this company is doing fraud over the internet registered in their jurisdiction.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: tempestb on August 30, 2014, 12:29:47 AM
But what is that going to do?  Do you think Black Arrow will suddenly refund your money or send your miner out?  I don't.  I think the Government will shut them down and fine them.  Ending production completely and any chance of getting anything at all.  I agree, that might not matter here shortly if the difficulty keeps rocketing up.  However, getting the Chinese cops involved is not going to end up with anyone getting a check in the mail, I'm certain of that.



Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: cdog on August 31, 2014, 01:04:42 AM
No crimes occurred, just greed by all partied involved. If you want someone to blame for this mess, look yourself in the mirror.

Without suckers trying to make a quick buck like you to fund it, Black Arrow would never have existed. The truth hurts, I know.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: melmo on August 31, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
I am sad to see that Black Arrow didn't deliver - they seemed to be a reliable company that made good on their fpga products.  I hemmed and hawed about ordering from them and wound up missing the first round of orders, so I didn't bother.  My post from January https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376370.msg4375020#msg4375020 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376370.msg4375020#msg4375020) pretty much sums up why I had my doubts and didn't order - a company that sells ATM card skimming devices should make you nervous.

Most likely they just bit off more than they could chew and didn't realize the complexity of delivering an ASIC.  If they were truly scammers, then they wouldn't have developed/delivered anything.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Syke on August 31, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
Most likely they just bit off more than they could chew and didn't realize the complexity of delivering an ASIC.  If they were truly scammers, then they wouldn't have developed/delivered anything.

They developed it so they could use it in their own mine.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: SimonBeCoinin on September 07, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
from ecointalk:


"Chemek, on 07 Sept 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:
Where the fuck is the warning email? My x3 have been running upp to this very moment, and I accidentally went back to the forum to see what's going on. Are you out of your mind?

In sure there or others customers who received their x3 and are still note informed."



THEY ARE NOT EVEN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEIR MINERS COULD LITERALLY BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN. 

What the hell is wrong with these people.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 09, 2014, 01:56:43 AM
Something is fishy with this mining facility.  That is obvious.  They said in an april update they'd located a new location and then in May that it was done.  Now it doesn't exist at all.  WTF is going on with that?  And if it doesn't exist what is going on with the rent-a-minion program?  


Here's the update:  (note also the work on the scrypt chip.  our money at work)
blackarrow
Sr. Member
****

Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s
March 26, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
 #3153
Bitcoin Miners progress update – 26 March 2014

1.We progressed to The Minion’s 3rd substrate which has been approved and sent to manufacturing
2.The package house has received the minion probe cart wafer.
3.Global Foundries has confirmed the wafer out date. The date is currently 5 days later than their prediction however they are seeking to catch up by optimising the rest of the process.
4.The final version of the X3 hashboard and X1 backplane has been sent to the PCB factory for prototyping
5.The final version of X1 hashboard will arrive this week on Friday.
6.The development team are still optimising the control board. The initial testing is positive: (booting sequence for Linux, network protocols and WiFi connections are ok). The team will focus now debugging the LCD. Testing for the touchscreen should start soon.
7.The modifications to the current setup is dictated by the testing and the quality controls reporting by our teams and suppliers. We concluded the last update to X3 backplane and the case design due to moving the X3 PSU on the left hand side for better heat dissipation.
8.We have received 2 types of PSUs for X3 from 2 vendors, we are testing them.
9.We have started mass production of the heatsinks and X1 power supplies
10.We have received the mounting screw with springs for the heatsinks. After a thorough review the spring technical specifications are not satisfactory. We continue to upgrade the design accordingly and we expect the samples to be ready in 10 days.
11.We approved the design for X3 case and we are in process of negotiating the time frame with our short-listed suppliers.
12.We should complete the final specifications for the fans by the end of this week.
13.We had a demanding schedule in visiting all our suppliers for quality checks and for tracking the agreed aggressive deadlines
14.We are in the final negotiations with our manufacturing partner for power chips. We are seeking a reliable supply of the power chips.
15.We finalised the search for the new facility which will help increasing the power for Rent-A-Minion service. We’re planning to start setting it up as early as next week.
16.The team working on the Scrypt chip continue their busy schedule. They had some new addition to the team to help with the increasing workload.
17.We received a lot of enquiries regarding the LTC chip. The Management decided to focus on delivering the Bitcoin miners currently scheduled and postpone the LTC pre-orders until they have time available to deal with customer support issues that usually arise upon launch of a new complex product.


then in May




Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.


now just recently

This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.




wtf is going on here?  they deleted a post of bobsags also from around that time :
March 26 2014:

bobsag3
Sr. Member
****
Online Online
Activity: 252
Owner, Minersource.net

"Let me correct this before it gets out of hand- They are building the additional rent-a-minion facility FOR the compensation plan, not in addition."


bobsag is talking about an ADDITIONAL rent-a-minion facility and now they have none?  they were clearly doing something to set up this facility.  wtf is going on here?  

are they mining?  they deny it, but it would seem that is the most likely scenario.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 09, 2014, 02:43:58 AM
I would also like to note that this is the Chinese company that makes the 800 dollar miners he sent us. http://www.stetc.com Something for people to note when doing business with them.

Info gleaned from the same address: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&q=%22stetc.com%22+bitcoin&oq=%22stetc.com%22+bitcoin&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.9370.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..53.serp..0.0.0.kokC5Hlt61g

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&biw=1093&bih=508&q=%22sleenet%40vip.qq.com%22&oq=%22sleenet%40vip.qq.com%22&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.10360.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..53.serp..0.0.0.XKgKgPfPLrI

http://www.baihangcn.com/sell/show-57845.html

http://s3.postimg.org/ltpyrod1v/amt_in_china.jpg

So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.
Because a user pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past.

Did you by any chance try to contact the other e-mail address cc'd on your initial e-mail thread with Mr. Huang or Kwang? (I can't remember and I'm not looking through 3 pages to find out)  I know PH said that his, Huang/Kwang, was compromised but what about that other gentleman, I thought the consensus was that his apparently hadn't been.

http://www.china.cn/taishiji/3361846041.html

Quote
13725365850

Guangzhou Teng Instant Software Technology Co.

Contact: Mr. Huang

Remember when Josh said he's been to BA's facility?

IT'S THE SAME MOTHERFUCKIN' BUILDING!


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 09, 2014, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Quote
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-bitcoin-mining-accused-censoring-negative-comments/

Ahaha they're fucked now, everyone can see what type of scum they are

Quote
We are only deleting posts made by people paid by competition mostly because they started posting personal data of some our management team. We suspect that these persons are paid by competition as they have not purchased from us but they find the resources to be 12-18 hours on the forum trying to put us out of business. 80-100% of their posts are only in Black Arrow’s thread. They will pick up on anything we do and nothing that we do is good enough. We have noticed that these people are very active on these forums since we have announced our 14 nm chip giving us one more reason to suspect that something is fishy here.”

This motherfuckin' queer-ass Romanian, Alex Sovu, has lost his motherfuckin' mind!

I don't mine.
Nobody pays me to post.
I don't spend 12-18 hours on this thread to put BA outta business: I only need a half hour at most.
Not even 1% of my posts are in BA's thread.
The only person we know of that makes up BA's management team is Alex Sovu, and what's posted that may be personal is gleaned from the internet and may not even be accurate.
The only thing fishy here is BA's proposed 14nm chip.

Alex Sovu, you are one sick motherfucker! Any chance you're related to Joshua Zipkin, for the same MO is at play here.

BTW, Black Arrow once claimed that Alex Sovu was JUST a trusted employee and NOT a principal. Of course, we later learnt that that wasn't true due to incorp papers finally making the round.

~Bruno Kucinskas


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 09, 2014, 02:48:12 PM
update on lawsuit:

reposted here


"All,
 
I have about 50 users so far who've sent details in reply to my posts here, and another 50 or so from bitcointalk.org
So far, i have orders recorded at roughly 1 million usd still outstanding in one form or another.
 
By the end of this week i should have enough to present the the legal team so they can start to construct the case to present to the court Smiley
Any of you who still wish to add your name to the list, please drop me a mail at bitcz@outlook.com
 
Again, this is direct orders place with BA and not with resellers for Batch 1 and Batch 2"




anyone still looking to get on this contact him here:



"Please send to bitcz@outlook.com the following details:
 
Order date
Rough figure on how much was spent ( please do not supply order numbers yet..this will be a job for the legals to obtain directly from you )
Contact details ( Email will suffice at this stage )
Brief paragraph outlining steps you have taken to resolve issue with BA directly ( i.e. direct communication, complaint to consumer council, local better business bureau, local state senator etc.. )
Expected resolution that would satisfy you ( i.e. full refund, delivery of goods etc )
 
Bticz"



He also has a thread on this forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=772278.msg8710397#msg8710397


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 09, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
reposted from another thread

Alright everybody, here's the deal. I'm the journalist behind the CryptoCoinsNews article about BA responding to the accusations we received in an anonymous news tip. Since then, I've been tipped on a lot of other happenings in the BA world that sound malicious.

I'm on mobile, and for some reason can't post the article link. Excellent. If you want to look it up, it's on CCN.

So I did the digging, found truth to the accusations, and reached out to BA for response. They responded, so I printed it. If you all notice, I did not take sides. I presented each side, laid everything out on the table (including pictures and facts) and printed their response.

BA did not trick me. They simply addressed the accusations. But some people may have took CCNs printing of that to be taking a side, and that side is BA. That's not the case.

I need proof. I need something tangible and solid. There's a lot of people here making a lot of claims, that sound really feasible, but I have no facts to print. Submit news tips to CCN with proof, and I'll print it. You want BA's bad side to be shown? Show it to me, with hard evidence. That's what I need to print a story.




Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 09, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
The PM exchange of the day:

Hey, this is dick for brains Alex Fuck.

You delete my posts from your thread, I'll just post them in five other threads and on four others sites across the internet.

Are you that motherfuckin' stupid?

Oh, before I forget: Go fuck yourself!


Dear forum user,

Thank you for your feedback. We delete abusive forum users only.
Please let me know if there's anything else we can help you with. Do you have an order number?

P.S: Who is Alex Fuck?





Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: SimonBeCoinin on September 09, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
 It looks like the shills have showed up in force for this latest piece.  People might want to go leave their own comments.

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-bitcoin-mining-battle-whos-telling-truth/#post-42310


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 12, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
Just got back from being banned for three days due to consecutive posting/bumping. I just posted this on BA's official thread but it was deleted by BA who's online now doing their daily cleanup after fleecing millions from the community, an act that doesn't cause them to be banned in spite of all the proof that such IS the case.



A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

http://www.coinssource.com/bitcoin-conference-amsterdam/

"The Black Arrow team was one of the main sponsors of this wonderful event. They have been working extremely hard to produce one of the first 14nm Bitcoin ASIC miners on the planet. Now, it is important to note that these guys stand behind the idea of mining and have no intention of mass producing their products – which could negatively affect the overall market. Furthermore, they have even gone as far as opening their new hardware specifications and drawings so that if someone wanted to build their own, they could! A truly open source hardware.

They are Bitcoin veterans who have been following the industry since the beginning. Their passion was very clear, as they have done everything they can in order to take this industry to a new level. You can find more about these hard-working members who have stopped at nothing to bring you these powerful miners on their website here."



LOL i don't know how the writer of this blog can write such a shitty text
everything is false, this is total bullshit, how much BA payed him ?

BA is sponsoring a Bitcoin conference and got no money to refund or do a fair compensation ?

LOL BA is really shameless they try to act and look like a "good and friendly" ASIC company
because they know they are known to be thieves, but as BFL says "there's a sucker born everyday"
so they hope to get new ones with a good looking presentation of them ... what a bunch of scumbags


Really? Black Arrow is going to dole out [tens] millions to develop a 14nm chip but has no intentions of selling enough to overcome said cost, not to mention all the other costs associated with building their next gen phantom bitcoin miner.

Do you realize how many miners would have to be built to just overcome 14nm development? Hint: A helluva lot more than what the copy implies with, "...have no intention of mass producing their products."

Obviously, BA's trying to rewrite Bob Stupak's infamous line with, "We'll lose money on each and every 14nm-based bitcoin miner due to adhering to a limited run, but we'll make it up with phantomware."


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: greenlion on September 12, 2014, 09:37:30 PM
The deletions are on almost perfect 15 minute intervals, +/- only a few seconds.

It's an automated script that's targeting certain user accounts.

From what I understand the public-facing Bitcointalk API does not support that, so they took the time and effort to develop it directly communicating via https.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 12, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
The deletions are on almost perfect 15 minute intervals, +/- only a few seconds.

It's an automated script that's targeting certain user accounts.

From what I understand the public-facing Bitcointalk API does not support that, so they took the time and effort to develop it directly communicating via https.

Thanks for refreshing my memory, bud. I recalled reading that while on vacation/banned for over-posting/bumping on threads calling out the likes of these fucks.

From my calculation, it looks like BA developed this APP right after theymos did this to them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774278.0

Joshua Zipkin of AMT is on recording in wanting to hack this forum.

Josh Zipkin of Advanced Mining Technologies is on record in promising to kill at least a dozen people (and at least one dog), myself included, yet both these fuck get to continue fleecing the bitcoin community while I MUST be on my best behavior to not get banned again so that I can continue to expose these fucks sans compensation, of which I don't desire one fuckin' satoshi for my efforts.

HashFast blames me for the reason why their customers couldn't get compensated.

BFL Josh calls me out as a liar, in spite of the hundreds examples from other members of the community proving he's the one, not I, lying.

I proved that Matt Carson, BA's reseller. didn't move his MO warehouse like he claimed he had prior to packing up his hookah and moving to CO, now owing this customers millions of which he conveniently avoids. He even fucked his own mother outta $20K USD, you think he cares one iota about his clients?

Fuckin' madness, if you ask me!

~Bruno Kucinskas


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Dallas5 on September 13, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  :o  :o  :o

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 13, 2014, 07:43:45 PM
Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  :o  :o  :o

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?


In the world of the Black Arrow customer this is not unusual.

Doing this likely to save on shipping cost and/or some other cost.

Who cares if you're effin house burns down.  Shipping is expensive.

I'm not surprised at all.  When they didn't simply recall them en masse I assumed they'd try some shit like this.

And the people that are shipping the burned up components back?  They're paying the shipping on that, according to what I've seen.  BA product sucks so bad that your miner starts on fire and you've got to pay return shipping.

Black Arrow is the biggest joke of a business I've seen in my entire life and that is saying something.  I've seen a lot of shit-shows, but these guys win top prize hands down.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: opieum2 on September 13, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
I would recommend if you feel defrauded contact law enforcement. The FBI is a resource to contact. My advice would be to contact the NY office so they start seeing a trend of bitcoin related crimes coming though. This will get quicker attention than if you contact just your local FBI office. It has been proven circumstantially (probable cause here) that AMT and Black Arrow were working together at the same location. Joshua Zipkin is on record stating he did work with them (although later edited his statement BUT it is on wayback machine as proof). IF we as a community ALL OF US do not speak up for ourselves. Law enforcement will do nothing. There is an obvious link between the two companies and their operations and methods. It is important that we have that investigated. Both of the CEOs appear to be on the run now and hiding out in Bulgaria or other parts.

Anyone with intention to refund would NOT be hiding out but facing these matters head on. Make of that what you will. But this is the hard reality of the matter. Contact the FBI. The NY FBI is already aware of this matter. Even if you are an international client, the FBI will get their counterparts involved in this matter on your behalf. It is time to stop bitching on the forums and take this to law enforcement. We have been defrauded plain and simple. These men are building petahash farms and giving speeches on industrial mining all on our money that we gave them. Instead they sent us undervalued garbage.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 13, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  :o  :o  :o

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?


In the world of the Black Arrow customer this is not unusual.

Doing this likely to save on shipping cost and/or some other cost.

Who cares if you're effin house burns down.  Shipping is expensive.

I'm not surprised at all.  When they didn't simply recall them en masse I assumed they'd try some shit like this.

And the people that are shipping the burned up components back?  They're paying the shipping on that, according to what I've seen.  BA product sucks so bad that your miner starts on fire and you've got to pay return shipping.

Black Arrow is the biggest joke of a business I've seen in my entire life and that is saying something.  I've seen a lot of shit-shows, but these guys win top prize hands down.


The other thing that occurs to me is that if something goes wrong with these things in the future and you worked on them and modified them, there's little doubt in my mind that they'd try to hang it on your ass.

I'm not taking delivery of these things and I wouldn't be working on them if I did.  Not a chance in hell.

and what about your insurance company?  your house burns down.  there's a another bunch that will try to get out of paying.

for all I know it might void your policy outright.  I don't know, but people should check. 


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Unacceptable on September 13, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  :o  :o  :o

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?


No joke!!! I found it here:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1397-guide-to-removal-of-1500uf-electrolytic-capacitors/


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: SimonBeCoinin on September 14, 2014, 01:28:09 AM
Be sure to watch this video VERY carefully,removing the caps in your X3 is EXTREMELY complex!!!!!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564-sYaXYfI#t=45

Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  :o  :o  :o

Is this a joke?

I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws.

Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions?


No joke!!! I found it here:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1397-guide-to-removal-of-1500uf-electrolytic-capacitors/


This video on trying to stop your miner catching on fire brought to you by the people that claim your miner cannot catch on fire.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on September 16, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
Did anybody notice that cloud mining has been removed from the BA website, X1s are 'out of stock', and no prices are being displayed anymore:

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/cloud-mining/

Also, I have not seen any forum posts by BA on here or ecoin, are they packing their stuff, and closing shop?


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Vcore on September 16, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: greenlion on September 16, 2014, 07:02:27 PM
WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.

Not to mention manually twisting them off with your hands while they still hold charge.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: CryptoGuy on September 16, 2014, 07:12:27 PM
WTF! Removing caps like that can easily leave the pieces of the leads attached to the pcb and cause a massive short.

Not to mention manually twisting them off with your hands while they still hold charge.

Personal safety and customer service are not BA's prerogative. Separating you from your BTC/fiat is all they care about.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 17, 2014, 12:32:30 AM
Right on schedule: Today at 07:30:05 PM   Deleted Post

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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So did everyone stop posting here all of a sudden or is BA just deleting all the posts?

BCT is allowing BA to continue running their auto-delete bot every 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on September 19, 2014, 07:32:12 AM
Check this criminal update on their facebook:


Black Arrow
18 hours ago
A lot of people are asking about the PSU issue in the X3. A small percentage of the PSUs fail due to a capacitor problem. At this point only one report of a fire and the photos submitted didn't reflect an actual fire. If anyone has had an actual fire, please post photos here.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Pentax on September 19, 2014, 12:34:20 PM
Check this criminal update on their facebook:


Black Arrow
18 hours ago
A lot of people are asking about the PSU issue in the X3. A small percentage of the PSUs fail due to a capacitor problem. At this point only one report of a fire and the photos submitted didn't reflect an actual fire. If anyone has had an actual fire, please post photos here.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178


I've seen similar logic in response to an online article from that Lexx2k that posts here, that is more than likely a BA employee, as he talks about testing miners.  Assuming that it is the same wackadoodle poster, which is a pretty good assumption also.

Anyway, in the comments to that article this cuckoo-bird says:

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-bitcoin-mining-battle-whos-telling-truth/?paged=3

"Proves my point, Show me a Fire??
I’ll repeat there is nothing to burn, PCB can melt and produce large amounts of smoke, but not burn, i will ask again show me fire on any of the pictures. Smoke does not mean fire not in all cases."



So there was no fire IN THE PICTURES, so there was no fire.  As if what someone should have done was go get their camera and take a picture while it was still on fire instead of putting the fire out and THEN taking pictures.

Maybe a nice selfie with a Black Arrow incendiary device burning merrily in the background like the yule log on Christmas Day.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: kfactor on September 19, 2014, 01:44:47 PM

Maybe a nice selfie with a Black Arrow incendiary device burning merrily in the background like the yule log on Christmas Day.



I would pay money to see this  :D


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 20, 2014, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
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The first orders are expected to be shipped at the end of February 2014.

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At today’s Bitcoin price and network hashing rate, X-1 would return $682 in 15 days and X-3 would return $13845 in 15 days (1).

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(1) As Bitcoin network is currently growing, we expect that the actual revenue by the time of shipment to be lower than this.

Yes. Very Very Very much lower than this. You're going to be delivering end of Feb (the target). By the time that date rolls around, your top of the line machine will be barely making $200-300 a month. Pitiful. 6 months away is just wayyyyy too far off.

And my post will probably be deleted but yeah, hopefully a few people may be able to see my message before it becomes so.

Sorry to disappoint you, we are only deleting off-topic posts.

Our view is that Bitcoin Mining is going to live more than the next 6 months.

Our promise to our customers is that we'll deliver the most efficient chip and will practice a minimal profit.

At the time of the actual shipment we'll make sure that we sell our chip at the market price or lower. All pre-orders will benefit of the same discount by the time that we start shipping. No longer you'll pre-order a hardware today just to discover 3 days later that others can pre-order it at 1/3 of the price you've paid.



To prove this post is a lie, I predict this reply will be automatically deleted by a bot Black Arrow has in place at exactly 8:00:05 PM CST.

http://s14.postimg.org/g80ho7z9t/ba_ba.jpg

Nailed it! Right to the second. That makes Alex Sovu of Black Arrow one big motherfuckin' liar.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on September 21, 2014, 02:56:01 PM
Is it me, or has BA been suspiciously quiet lately? Also their mod'ed thread doesn't seem to be actively monitored anymore. No replies on  support (nothing new there), no updates, no shills.

Almost seems that they already packed up shop and left the sinking ship.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: greenlion on September 21, 2014, 06:18:46 PM
Is it me, or has BA been suspiciously quiet lately? Also their mod'ed thread doesn't seem to be actively monitored anymore. No replies on  support (nothing new there), no updates, no shills.

Almost seems that they already packed up shop and left the sinking ship.

They've done this exact thing several times in the past already.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: terrapinflyer on September 22, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
I just came across this.
the black arrow conspiracy a company born to scam (http://www.coinfinance.com/news/the-black-arrow-conspiracy-a-company-born-to-scam#.VCBntxuh280.reddit)

Time to fill up the comments with some more useful information...


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on September 24, 2014, 06:42:25 AM
There is hope!

http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/09/ftcs-request-court-halts-bogus-bitcoin-mining-operation



Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: CryptoGuy on September 25, 2014, 04:04:18 PM
Just posting here since it'll likely be deleted on BA's thread.

Posted by Truth_Seeker at ecointalk (http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/page-496#entry19259), thought it would also be good to have here in case BA deletes it (as they are wont to do):

    
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Truth_Seeker, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:20 PM, said:

    I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP.

    Links:

    Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong

    https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php

    UK Action Fraud because their banking is in the UK

    http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

    The names you should mention are  Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77

    The bank information of black arrow is as follows:

    Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED
    Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom
    Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<<
    Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank
    Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom
    Beneficiary country: United Kingdom
    Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX

    Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts:

    EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018
    USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045
    GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317

    I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them!

I just sent my report to the HK Police - it took all of 5 minutes. I didn't report to UK Action Fraud because I'm an early customer and wired my money directly to a HK bank. As the BFL smackdown shows, if enough people complain, the authorities have to respond at some point.

If you're a BA victim, you don't have anything to lose anyway, because they are refusing refunds and only slowly ship now-worthless (or even exploding) mining equipment.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on October 13, 2014, 07:38:43 AM
Can you provide any information of someone that can represent me in Small Claims Court?

They have a registered hk company (Company Registration. 1520309).
If you do a hk company search (it is free) you will find more info:

https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk

I believe their address is:

90 jaffe road
wanchai
hong kong

It is actually really easy to sue people in HK. You don't have to be a HK citizen but you do need to hire someone to represent you in Small Claims Courts (it can't be a lawyer so it is actually cheap to do).

Small Claims Court
If what you are claiming against a business is less than $50,000 HKD then you are eligible to sue them in Small Claims Court.

Why is small claims court good?
-lawyers are not allowed in small claims court
-The person you are suing cannot counter sue you in small claims court.
-You do not have to be a Hong Kong Resident to file a motion with the small claims court
-If black arrow fail to show then you will win the claim by default
-only transport costs can be claimed in small claims court.
-no they can't hire someone from Jamaica and claim the flight as a cost (a Philippine company tried this with my fd and it got thrown out of small claims court)
-Once you win, you are given a legal document (Writ of Fieri Facias) saying BA owe you this much in HKD$
-Then you can hire a HK government bailiff to come and collect anything from BA office that is in the value of the amount they owe you

Imagine turning up to Black Arrow office in Wan Chai and walking off with a bunch of their PCs and some bitcoin wallets while being protected by the bailiffs and the HK police.

How to file a claim for your money back in HK Small Claims Court:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/pphlt/html/sc.htm

Online Forms:
http://www.judiciary.gov.hk/en/crt_services/forms/sc.htm


Or maybe just make a formal complaint to this organisation:

HK Consumer Complaints Council
They recommend you file a complaint against the a local company if as a consumer you come across unfair trade practices, e.g .

-goods or services not correspond to description;
-delay in delivery;
-dissatisfaction to service,

http://www.consumer.org.hk/website/ws_en/complaints_and_advices/how_to_complain/howtocomplain.html


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: bitdik on October 14, 2014, 07:15:05 AM
Seems that this is their automated response nowadays:

Note the footer:

Please note that all our sales, services and communications are subject to our terms and conditions and your reply to this email will be considered an agreement to our terms and conditions from this webpage: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/legal.html

LOL! These people are so retarded it's just funny.

Dear Customer,

We have shipped and delivered your order as per our agreed and signed terms and conditions. We have been informed by DHL that you are refusing to accept the package. Please note that you are not entitled for a refund (as agreed in our terms and conditions). Your refusal to receive your order will either lead to the destruction of your goods or we might accept it as gift to us and send it to other customer. In any case, we will NOT issue you with any refund and our contract has now been fulfilled.

For your peace of mind, please read again the terms and conditions signed and agreed by you when you have placed the order (http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/legal.html)

Delivery Terms
9.1 The Products are delivered to the delivery address specified by the Purchaser, unless otherwise agreed. The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.

Cancelling your order does not entitle you to any refund:

11.3 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.

Please note, that we will refuse DHL to return your package. Should you choose to let DHL destroy it, that is your option; it is your merchandise, you can do whatever you want with it (as long it is for legal purposes only). If you want to give it to us as a gift ( no refund will be issued! ), please let us know and we'll inform DHL to deliver to another customer.

Warning: If you choose to take no action and ignore this message, your package will stay with DHL until they will destroy it.

Regards,
Black Arrow Team

Regards,
Black Arrow Team

Please note that all our sales, services and communications are subject to our terms and conditions and your reply to this email will be considered an agreement to our terms and conditions from this webpage: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/legal.html

Confidentiality Notice:
This communication, its content and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is unauthorised. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: tempestb on October 14, 2014, 02:27:27 PM
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of Chinese law is that contracts are what amounts to consumer protection.  If they follow the letter of the contract, in China, this is legal.  In the United States you have organizations like the FTC that have rules that trump any contract.  But they have no enforcement in China.  It's one of those hard lessons I've learned about doing business with China directly and not having a middle-man (And why Alibaba is popular, because it acts like the middle-man) 

China has adopted some consumer protection laws recently, but I'm not sure if they trump contracts like the FTC does in the U.S.   Only a lawyer with knowledge of Chinese law is really going to be able to tell you if you have a shot at taking them to court and winning.  And whether it's worth the time and money.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Dallas5 on October 14, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of Chinese law is that contracts are what amounts to consumer protection.  If they follow the letter of the contract, in China, this is legal.  In the United States you have organizations like the FTC that have rules that trump any contract.  But they have no enforcement in China.  It's one of those hard lessons I've learned about doing business with China directly and not having a middle-man (And why Alibaba is popular, because it acts like the middle-man) 

China has adopted some consumer protection laws recently, but I'm not sure if they trump contracts like the FTC does in the U.S.   Only a lawyer with knowledge of Chinese law is really going to be able to tell you if you have a shot at taking them to court and winning.  And whether it's worth the time and money.

I used Minersource as a middle man still no refund after months of waiting and many promises. But at least as you state I can get the FTC involved.

About BA I do believe you can't make an agreement binding if it contradicts the countries laws.

I hope everyone will be compensated or refunded before the end of the year, but I fear something like what happened to butterfly labs must happen first.


Title: Re: Black Arrow X-1 and X-3 (not modded by Black Arrow) Thread
Post by: Sonix711 on January 16, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
Hey everyone :)

Just wanted to say that it appears that the main forum for the X1 and X3 on the ecointalk.net forum website no longer works.

This is the link to the forum archive on WayBack Machine in case it helps anyone... - https://web.archive.org/web/20160414051942/http://ecointalk.net/

Here is my dropbox share for the files that I use to fix my Android X1 - make sure you use the correct firmware for your X1 as I think there were 2 different control boards that were used, so using the wrong firmware will brick your miner... !!!      - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xhn0giori7u2k5a/AAAF9mRpJS3ZCKjtLjvSXqn_a?dl=0

If your having problems flashing your firmware, make sure your using a Micro SD card thats 8GB minimum - I wouldn't go larger than 16GB or 32GB really either...??? I have a dedicated 8GB X1 reflash Micro SD card that I don't use for anything else...creating the Micro SD card from the image wipes / overwrites the card your using... !!!

I only have the firmware file for my X1, but if anyone has the other firmware file or anything else relevant, I'll upload it to my dropbox share too...

I remember Jumbley and Stuart from Logic Ethos were great forum members on ecointalk.net if that helps anyone aswell... I'm sure there were other great forum members on there too... and on here... :)

You can also find me on Youtube... :)

Think thats all I got...

Cheers everyone - take care... :)

Sonix711.