Anyone following the ebola outbreak?

[2dogs]

Vulnerabilities in Ebola planning
The infection of two Dallas health-care workers has highlighted vulnerabilities in the CDC’s protocols for those dealing with Ebola patients. The current protocol allows for potential skin exposure of caregivers. The CDC is revising those guidelines and will likely make them more similar to those used in biological containment facilities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/vulnerabilities-in-ebola-planning/2014/10/15/37281db6-5492-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_graphic.html

[NewLiberty]

Nurse Amber Vinson traveled with a commercial jet after caring for Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan,
on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. She is ill and was confirmed to have Ebola.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

And she apparently did so with the CDC's explicit permission.

according to Flighttracker, the plane was used for five additional flights on Tuesday before it was removed from service. Those flights include a return flight to Cleveland, Cleveland to Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport (FLL), FLL to Cleveland, Cleveland to Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), and ATL to Cleveland.
While in Ohio, Vinson visited relatives, who are employees at Kent State University.  The university is now asking Vinson’s three relatives stay off campus and self-monitor per CDC protocol for the next 21 days out of an “abundance of caution.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis

Quoting from Arstechnica article:

Update: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now say that the second infected healthcare worker flew to Cleveland and back on a commercial jet after caring for Duncan—and her return flight to Dallas took place the day before her Ebola symptoms appeared. The CDC now wants to interview everyone on that return flight (Frontier Airlines flight 1143, flying from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on October 13).

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

Update 2: Reuters reports that the healthcare worker did in fact have a slight fever while traveling on the airplane back to Dallas. The CDC still believes the risk of viral transmission is low because the woman was neither vomiting nor bleeding on the flight. The healthcare worker is being transported to Emory Hospital in Atlanta for treatment.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/15/cdc-says-2nd-nurse-with-ebola-was-cleared-to-fly/

There may be more than one person at the CDC with different opinions.

"CDC spokesman David Daigle says Amber Joy Vinson spoke with the CDC official responsible for monitoring her health before she boarded the flight Monday.
Daigle says the 29-year-old Vinson reported her temperature was below 100.4 degrees and she had no symptoms. Ebola sufferers aren’t contagious until they show symptoms.
The official said she could board Frontier Airlines Flight 1143."

Interestingly both can be true.  She may have received permission, having no severe symptoms.
She may also have developed symptoms during transit, and CDC would then say that she should not have flown (even though they told her that she could.)

We also know that one can be contagious without symptoms.  If the virus is replicating in your blood vessels, and you are cut or menstruating or whatever, there is potential for transmission.

[Balthazar]

It's not well understood how viruses can spread.  For example, Magic Johnson's wife never caught HIV/AIDS even though she had unprotected sex with her husband for a long time. 

Such example doesn't make sense because there is a perfect and scientifically proven explanation. About 1% of population is immune to HIV. They simply can't be infected by CCR5-utilizing strains due to mutation in the CCR5 gene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5#HIV

[TonyT]

It's not well understood how viruses can spread.  For example, Magic Johnson's wife never caught HIV/AIDS even though she had unprotected sex with her husband for a long time. 

Such example doesn't make sense because there is a perfect and scientifically proven explanation. About 1% of population is immune to HIV. They simply can't be infected by CCR5-utilizing strains due to mutation in the CCR5 gene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5#HIV

Either that, or she took a shower after having sex and all was well... ;-)

[dleader]

http://www.liberianobserver.com

this is what i've been checking mostly. you get local stories & local perception, scary stuff.

[TonyT]

http://www.liberianobserver.com
this is what i've been checking mostly. you get local stories & local perception, scary stuff.

Nice website, in English and articulate, though you get the lunatic fringe story below.  Lunatic to us but I bet many Liberians believe in this stuff, that's why the newspaper carries these stories.

TonyT

The Ebola Breakout Coincided with UN Vaccine Campaigns
Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:58 admin
By: Yoichi Shimatsu (Courtesy: Rense.com)

The ebola pandemic began in late February in the former French colony of Guinea while UN agencies were conducting nationwide vaccine campaigns for three other diseases in rural districts. The simultaneous eruptions of this filovirus virus in widely separated zones strongly suggests that the virulent Zaire ebola strain (ZEBOV) was deliberately introduced to test an antidote in secret trials on unsuspecting humans.

[Vod]

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

She should be charged with attempted murder, IMO.   

[koshgel]

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

She should be charged with attempted murder, IMO.   

She called the CDC before her flight and they cleared her for the flight. Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

[NewLiberty]

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

She should be charged with attempted murder, IMO.  

Good thing you aren't a DA.
She could get charged with a lessor, reckless endangerment, but would easily get off on an "advice of counsel" defense.
You'd do better with a civil suit vs the CDC, but if things go sour, you might not get the best medical care.
The medical profession gets to choose who dies, its been federalized under Affordable Care Act.
Most governments on the planet now have been empowered to decide when their citizens die.
This makes old age and social welfare problems more manageable, since they get to handle both when you die, and only have to pay you up until you do.

[Bagatell]

Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

They're busy with some Zombie Apocalypse.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm#

BTW Has anyone found out if the CDC are listed on Dunn & Bradstreet yet?

[Spendulus]

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

She should be charged with attempted murder, IMO.  

She called the CDC before her flight and they cleared her for the flight. Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

Nope.  She should have recorded the call, explicited called them dumb asses, asked them if they had any other stupid advice, and then put the call on youtube.

Anyone - anyone - looking for counsel and direction from a polticized agency such as the CDC is banking up the wrong tree.

[NewLiberty]

Given the healthcare worker's recent exposure to Duncan, she was "self-monitoring" for any symptoms of Ebola and—according to the CDC—should not have traveled on a commercial airline until the incubation period for the disease had ended.

She should be charged with attempted murder, IMO.  

She called the CDC before her flight and they cleared her for the flight. Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

Nope.  She should have recorded the call, explicitedly called them dumb asses, asked them if they had any other stupid advice, and then put the call on youtube.

Anyone - anyone - looking for counsel and direction from a polticized agency such as the CDC is banking up the wrong tree.

Yes, personal responsibility should trump. 
This, I think is the core element of this thread.  If you rely on someone else to protect you, you are at their mercy.

In her case, she was selfish, wanted to be close to the CDC and get the best treatment experimental science could offer.  Others are likely to do the same. 

Still others will feel hopeless and depressed, angry at the world, and viciously try to infect others as a means of unjust retribution.  So few are noble or heroic.

[Bagatell]

Anyone - anyone - looking for counsel and direction from a polticized agency such as the CDC is banking up the wrong tree.

If you are banking in a tree you are doing it wrong.

[NewLiberty]

Anyone - anyone - looking for counsel and direction from a polticized agency such as the CDC is banking up the wrong tree.

If you are banking in a tree you are doing it wrong.

Or VERY right!

[Bagatell]

Or VERY right!

I can't see the bank for  the bark.

[ibminer]

Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

They're busy with some Zombie Apocalypse.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm#

BTW Has anyone found out if the CDC are listed on Dunn & Bradstreet yet?

WTF

http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/

[QuestionAuthority]

Here's some scary shit.

http://freepatriot.org/2014/10/06/homeland-threat-isis-plans-weaponize-ebola-sending-infected-muslims-america/

[2dogs]

Yes, she shouldn't have flown but the CDC is at fault for not being more vigilant here.

They're busy with some Zombie Apocalypse.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm#

BTW Has anyone found out if the CDC are listed on Dunn & Bradstreet yet?

WTF

http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/

Take a few lessons from the Doomsday Preppers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P2ghC6LGyg

[BADecker]

“People in the Western World need to know what’s happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! 'Ebola' as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT 'Spread'. The Red Cross has brought a disease to 4 specific countries for 4 specific reasons and it is only contracted by those who receive treatments and injections from the Red Cross. That is why Liberians and Nigerians have begun kicking the Red Cross out of their countries and reporting in the news the truth."

See more at: http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/ebo-lie-man-living-in-ghana-confirms-ebola-is-a-hoax/#sthash.7Jof6vGU.dpuf .

[Balthazar]

“People in the Western World need to know what’s happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! 'Ebola' as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT 'Spread'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society