rapist must die

[phosphorush]

Jails actually are more criminal factories than correction facilities because of the environment. You have abuses of power from the guards, and obviously, lower class criminals mixed with higher class criminals, so the odds are that when you get out you will be on a higher tier on criminality.

MUST READ -> http://www.amazon.com/The-Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-People/dp/0812974441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407372753&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+effect

This is only like that in your country. European facilities are very well organized to help those guys and give them a chance to better them selves. This is done with much education and work. Later halfwayhouses and then with companies that offer those guys jobs so that they have no need to become criminal again. The success rate is over the roof, compared to US corrupt crap prisons...

why do you assume I'm from USA? lol

Anyway, the point I made was based on a scientific experiment which is in the book I linked.

It is semantics, what I meant was, that "Jails" is a very broad term and I would exclude European facilities from it, because the theory doesn't hold true for those.

The theory is social psychology, about power systems and how people behave under certain situations. The experiments is with "healthy" students and it went bad in a couple of days. I don't think any prison would be as soft as that. Did you read the book? Do you know the points made? or are you just talking out of your ass?

[DannyElfman]

Jails actually are more criminal factories than correction facilities because of the environment. You have abuses of power from the guards, and obviously, lower class criminals mixed with higher class criminals, so the odds are that when you get out you will be on a higher tier on criminality.

MUST READ -> http://www.amazon.com/The-Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-People/dp/0812974441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407372753&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+effect

This is only like that in your country. European facilities are very well organized to help those guys and give them a chance to better them selves. This is done with much education and work. Later halfwayhouses and then with companies that offer those guys jobs so that they have no need to become criminal again. The success rate is over the roof, compared to US corrupt crap prisons...

why do you assume I'm from USA? lol

Anyway, the point I made was based on a scientific experiment which is in the book I linked.

It is semantics, what I meant was, that "Jails" is a very broad term and I would exclude European facilities from it, because the theory doesn't hold true for those.

The theory is social psychology, about power systems and how people behave under certain situations. The experiments is with "healthy" students and it went bad in a couple of days. I don't think any prison would be as soft as that. Did you read the book? Do you know the points made? or are you just talking out of your ass?

Talking out of my ass, because I generally don't read every book that someone is posting on the forums.

I think you don't understand that those experiments are modelled after very authoritarian prison systems, but you don't have such conditions in more "evolved" facilities. So please don't generalise everything...

[phosphorush]

Then you can't assume that the book conclusions are wrong, like you assumed I was from USA - without any basis of course.

The prison wasn't exactly modelled after authoritarian systems, it became that way because of the powers of the SITUATION (despite the fact that guards are necessarily authority figures). Uniforms for example cause deindividuation on both guards and prisoners and influences how they relate to each other, then it makes them fill their roles.  Once the guards feel their power and the prisoners lose their will it becomes a snowball effect, so the experiment had to be stopped.

On a similar experiment, a mock prison, there was a women that put a knife in the throat of a guard, quite an extreme behavior for a fake prison. There are other different experiments referred in the book...

Science generalizes, there is no science of the accidental (as Aristottle said). In this case, social psychology generalizes human behavior in the environment (not american behavior lol).

The book also highlights the power of the SITUATION which is made by the SYSTEM, so if the situation is different the behavior will be different. However, I find it extremely hard to believe that if a mock prison with healthy people can cause such violent behaviors, a real prison full of violent people doesn't, independent of geographical location.

[poisenrang]

Die slowly, in a cage no food only drinks. dirty lake water.

[jodybay]

this is the bastard who rape the 10months old - 1yrs old baby



this guy deserve to die

[iluvbitcoins]

this is the bastard who rape the 10months old - 1yrs old baby



this guy deserve to die

perhaps he could get out if it by playing the crazy card

thinking further about it, what if he has some pyschological troubles so it isn't really his choice

if the judge rules him as sane, he should be putten down

but it's highly unlikely, if he knows about this he would play the crazy card and get out of it..

[Lauda]

Jails actually are more criminal factories than correction facilities because of the environment. You have abuses of power from the guards, and obviously, lower class criminals mixed with higher class criminals, so the odds are that when you get out you will be on a higher tier on criminality.

MUST READ -> http://www.amazon.com/The-Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-People/dp/0812974441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407372753&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+effect

This is only like that in your country. European facilities are very well organized to help those guys and give them a chance to better them selves. This is done with much education and work. Later halfwayhouses and then with companies that offer those guys jobs so that they have no need to become criminal again. The success rate is over the roof, compared to US corrupt crap prisons...

Exactly it is much different in these places and I think that it actually does work. I wouldn't become better after being trapped in a facility for 30 years either.
Just read about this one: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people
Time to do something bad there and go to prison? 

[phosphorush]

Jails actually are more criminal factories than correction facilities because of the environment. You have abuses of power from the guards, and obviously, lower class criminals mixed with higher class criminals, so the odds are that when you get out you will be on a higher tier on criminality.

MUST READ -> http://www.amazon.com/The-Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-People/dp/0812974441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407372753&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+effect

This is only like that in your country. European facilities are very well organized to help those guys and give them a chance to better them selves. This is done with much education and work. Later halfwayhouses and then with companies that offer those guys jobs so that they have no need to become criminal again. The success rate is over the roof, compared to US corrupt crap prisons...

Exactly it is much different in these places and I think that it actually does work. I wouldn't become better after being trapped in a facility for 30 years either.
Just read about this one: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people
Time to do something bad there and go to prison? 

They changed the SITUATION! So the behavior is different, they aren't treated like criminal prisoners, but like people, probably with individuality... No wonder that one in specific does work. That's the point of the book. lol you guys have some understanding problem?

[r3wt]

glad they caught the guy. Wait till the guys in prison find out he's a baby raper

[jodybay]

glad they caught the guy. Wait till the guys in prison find out he's a baby raper

he's not been caught yet sadly that he is still roaming around freely

[DannyElfman]

Jails actually are more criminal factories than correction facilities because of the environment. You have abuses of power from the guards, and obviously, lower class criminals mixed with higher class criminals, so the odds are that when you get out you will be on a higher tier on criminality.

MUST READ -> http://www.amazon.com/The-Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-People/dp/0812974441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407372753&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+effect

This is only like that in your country. European facilities are very well organized to help those guys and give them a chance to better them selves. This is done with much education and work. Later halfwayhouses and then with companies that offer those guys jobs so that they have no need to become criminal again. The success rate is over the roof, compared to US corrupt crap prisons...

Exactly it is much different in these places and I think that it actually does work. I wouldn't become better after being trapped in a facility for 30 years either.
Just read about this one: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people
Time to do something bad there and go to prison? 

They changed the SITUATION! So the behavior is different, they aren't treated like criminal prisoners, but like people, probably with individuality... No wonder that one in specific does work. That's the point of the book. lol you guys have some understanding problem?

No we don't. We try to make a point. Sure the result of the experiment was like that. But it was an experiment after all.

Do you know the film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250258/?ref_=nv_sr_1 ? Same result as your book, but those results are falsified because people that attend such experiments are not trained and selected like prisons with good standards.

Those experiments might hold true for US and 3rd world country prisons, but EU prisons are far off.

[lemfuture]

yes, the prison is too cramped already

[RodeoX]

Sexual predators creep me out. My Dad was a cop and I remember his take on them. He would say something like "A thief steals because that is what he does. A rapist rapes because that is who he is."

[DannyElfman]

yes, the prison is too cramped already

Yes they are. But it is the fault of the US justice system. There is a reason, why they literally jail everyone they supsect of anything... 8 times the incarcaration rate of europe.

[DannyElfman]

Sexual predators creep me out. My Dad was a cop and I remember his take on them. He would say something like "A thief steals because that is what he does. A rapist rapes because that is who he is."

Good saying. One step further: A thief might steal because he has to survive, but a rapist?

[RodeoX]

Sexual predators creep me out. My Dad was a cop and I remember his take on them. He would say something like "A thief steals because that is what he does. A rapist rapes because that is who he is."

Good saying. One step further: A thief might steal because he has to survive, but a rapist?

That's what I got out of his saying. The crime itself is not the motive for a thief. But rapists and pedophiles have no other motive than the crime that they have a compulsion to commit. 

[waqas]

yes, the prison is too cramped already

Yes they are. But it is the fault of the US justice system. There is a reason, why they literally jail everyone they supsect of anything... 8 times the incarcaration rate of europe.

Sadly its very bad for those who living in USA

[DannyElfman]

yes, the prison is too cramped already

Yes they are. But it is the fault of the US justice system. There is a reason, why they literally jail everyone they supsect of anything... 8 times the incarcaration rate of europe.

Sadly its very bad for those who living in USA

Yeah, but in this times, nothing is making you stay there for ever!

[bluefirecorp]

Castration is a fitting punishment I think. But some rapists or unfairly judged so would suck to be them.

there should be something as, if there's absolute proof the deed is done

castration

however, if it's not 100% certain then jail

You guys should know by now how I'm against anything unconsented nevermind sex, but actually going through with this kind of attitude and making it a worldwide thing if it ever does happen you'll end up with a whole generation of men scared to death of even going near a woman because one wrong move will either mean they don't have a penis for the rest of their lives or they die.

I wonder how many wrongly accused Paedophiles or Rapists even get an apology? People really need to fucking think with their brains before they run around chopping off peoples body parts or killing them in the name of 'justice'.

You're either with us or against us. It sounds like you're pro-rape to me.

Having the punishment for rape be castration might dramatically reduce the number of unplanned and out-of-wedlock pregnancies, ultimately decreasing population growth if you have to be exceptionally sure the mate won't turn around and press charges against you. I guess it may also increase the amount of amateur porn floating around if "safe sex" is when you do it in a recording studio.

I can't tell if you're serious or trying to troll? I mean, seriously, even totally consented sex can turn around on you. Say you had a girlfriend, you two broke up. She said that the last time you had sex with her, you forced her into it and it was rape. Technically, that's rape. Bam, you're castrated.

Literally, the only way to prevent that is to have a legally binding agreement every single time you have sex. It also needs to be notarized and it needs to be proven that both parties signed on their own free will (that's where the notary comes in). Seriously, I can't believe how many people see the world in black and white. There's a lot more gray area than black and white in these sort of cases.

[r3wt]

glad they caught the guy. Wait till the guys in prison find out he's a baby raper

he's not been caught yet sadly that he is still roaming around freely

Then how was it the police have the picture of him and know how that it was him would did this to the baby? there is no face caught on camera, is witness testimony involved?