ScriptGadget
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May 05, 2011, 11:57:13 PM |
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You could be right Abe. I guess I just have more faith in common sense, that people wouldn't rate down a newbie just for asking a commonly asked question.
The thing about sense is that it's far from common.  I like the idea of rating posts rather than people, but it's likely to spin out of control either way. Remember when /. first started moderation? They had to add meta moderation to help balance the crazies and the cranks. It works better now, but it took a long time and is still a little questionable. |
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JohnDoe
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May 06, 2011, 02:00:58 AM |
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So did the system get turned off or did I get banned from using it?
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theymos
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May 06, 2011, 02:14:07 AM |
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You apparently need 250 posts to rate people.
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Miner-TE
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May 06, 2011, 03:18:11 AM |
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Wow ... 250 ... Looks like it will take me awhile to reach that at my rate of postings. I guess I could go start trolling or posting my useless opinions to get my post count up but I won't. I'll get there someday. Post count +1 |
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May 06, 2011, 03:21:30 AM |
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Well, NOW you need 250 posts to rate people. I don't think that was true when the system came up.
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May 06, 2011, 06:34:05 AM |
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You apparently need 250 posts to rate people.
Two hundred and fifty?!? DAMMIT!! That means I need......two more.  I know everyone is concerned about the potential negative affects of the +, - rating system but I think it will work out pretty well. Most of the people who are talking about it sound very reluctant to use the "-" button, as they should be. I know for myself I will primarily be rewarding people for good posts and will only "smite" when someone is being dishonest or a REAL jackass. Also, I plan on informing people when I give them a +1 and also in the rare cases I dish out a -1. I think the feedback mechanism will be important for the rating system to work correctly. |
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May 06, 2011, 07:55:26 AM |
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I'm glad I rated a lot of ppl before this restriction |
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phelix
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May 06, 2011, 01:45:12 PM |
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isn't 250 a little high? Will take forever to get there. Also I got a -1 already before the restriction was in place.  It's not fun if you are on the negative side - and don't even know why. |
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JohnDoe
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May 06, 2011, 02:21:01 PM |
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First thing I'm going to do when I get to 250 is give -1 rep to Sirius for putting this restriction.
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phelix
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May 06, 2011, 03:19:48 PM |
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First thing I'm going to do when I get to 250 is give -1 rep to Sirius for putting this restriction.
+1 and one closer =) |
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ByteCoin
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May 06, 2011, 04:54:11 PM |
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You apparently need 250 posts to rate people.
Thanks for the info theymos. I don't think that the sheer number of posts that someone makes is a good indicator of their contribution. There are a large number of "me too" and uninformative posts which make the forum less rewarding to follow. There was already an incentive to post indiscriminately via the "Newbie", "Junior Member", "Full Member" thing and this will just make it worse as people race to make 250 posts. Others have similar concerns. Gavin was throwing around the idea of switching to a mailing list, presumably because he too was having similar problems with the forum. I was not particularly keen on a mailing list at that point but I'm much more equivocal now. The value of ratings depends greatly on who's doing the rating. Given the fact that ratings are taken fairly seriously nowadays (seriously enough to exclude a large proportion of users from changing them), it needs to be more nuanced and transparent. It's at an unhappy half-way stage at the moment. Is it Sirius who makes these forum decisions? Sirius alone or an ad-hoc committee? ByteCoin |
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deadlizard
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May 06, 2011, 05:22:03 PM |
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I don't think that the sheer number of posts that someone makes is a good indicator of their contribution. There are a large number of "me too" and uninformative posts which make the forum less rewarding to follow. There was already an incentive to post indiscriminately via the "Newbie", "Junior Member", "Full Member" thing and this will just make it worse as people race to make 250 posts. +1  |
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Miner-TE
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May 06, 2011, 07:01:47 PM |
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Are we going to use this thread just to increase our post counts until each of us reach 250? Maybe someone can start a weather topic. Nice bright sun-shinny day here |
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theymos
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May 06, 2011, 08:40:37 PM |
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I don't think that the sheer number of posts that someone makes is a good indicator of their contribution. There are a large number of "me too" and uninformative posts which make the forum less rewarding to follow. There was already an incentive to post indiscriminately via the "Newbie", "Junior Member", "Full Member" thing and this will just make it worse as people race to make 250 posts.
Post counts do indicate that a person has been able to survive for a while on the forum without being banned, which has some value. I agree that it's useless for measuring someone's contributions. Gavin was throwing around the idea of switching to a mailing list, presumably because he too was having similar problems with the forum.
I was not particularly keen on a mailing list at that point but I'm much more equivocal now. I find mailing lists difficult to deal with, but I would love to see a Bitcoin NNTP sever. Is it Sirius who makes these forum decisions? Sirius alone or an ad-hoc committee? Mods and admins act mostly independently. I'm not going to change the limit, since I want the reputation system to be completely removed. |
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May 06, 2011, 09:08:13 PM |
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I hate this system.... I have haterz on me and I got -1s  I want the minus button removed, but I want bobR removed as well and no luck so far |
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ByteCoin
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May 07, 2011, 12:59:20 AM |
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I surprised myself with how upset I was when I saw someone had given me a negative vote. I can't really think what I've done to deserve it.
Then I saw that theymos had -2 and instantly felt a lot better!
The temptation for the mods to see who's rated them negatively must be overwhelming.
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grue (OP)
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May 07, 2011, 01:17:33 AM |
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how about instead of a post requirement, a rep requirement? you need net +5 to rep other people.
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ByteCoin
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May 07, 2011, 01:20:54 AM |
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how about instead of a post requirement, a rep requirement? you need net +5 to rep other people.
That would be an improvement. Can it be easily implemented? Does anyone know what functionality this rating system facilitates? I haven't been able to find any documentation on what it can do. ByteCoin |
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theymos
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May 07, 2011, 01:41:08 AM |
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It's pretty simple:  Only admins can see the ratings in-depth, and only by downloading the database. There's no web interface that I can see. |
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May 07, 2011, 01:45:31 AM |
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Only admins can see the ratings in-depth, and only by downloading the database. There's no web interface that I can see.
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