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August 11, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
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I ask because whenever he meets Hebrews they ask him where he is  from and he say's i am chaldean from iraq. They smile and say we are brothers and we share the same blood as we came from Abraham


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August 11, 2014, 10:30:24 AM
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I think that Jews get citizenship within 24 hours, while non-Jews have a five year residency period before getting their citizenship. I could very well be wrong about this. Tizanabi is a better person to ask about this than me.

I am curious: Are most Chaldeans Christian? The ones I met are.

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August 11, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
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What about cheapness? Are Jews more or less generous than Christians?

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August 11, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
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What about cheapness? Are Jews more or less generous than Christians?
I would say Jewish people donate generously to charity. Also, many Jewish doctors work on cures to diseases and share them with the whole world.

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August 11, 2014, 10:40:43 AM
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What about cheapness? Are Jews more or less generous than Christians?
Christians 100% more with their time. Money is anyone's guess buy I have seen plenty of both ,I am christian but my father is Jewish. As is my wife and her family.

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August 11, 2014, 10:42:51 AM
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .

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August 11, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
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From what I understand the Jews came up with monotheism in 600 B.C. when they took one of the babylonian g-----------------ds and made him above all others.

yahweh was originally a woman. a fertility goddess. similar the the ancient greek concept of Gaia..
gaia beceme zeus and yahweh became jehova (hebrew YHWH), deus (greek zeus/latin deus), god (germanic) and finally allah (arabic).

judaism changed the nature of yahweh.. just as Christianity changed the nature of god and islam changed the nature of god.

the idea of god has changed over time to suit the political needs and agendas of humans.

this is the key point about the Jewish religion and all other religions.

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August 11, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
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The points you've mentioned are shared between the 3 religions more or less one or two point, I don't think that these are key points, key points would be what makes someone a Jew, how Jews are to behave in society, and with the state....ect
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August 11, 2014, 10:58:59 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.

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August 11, 2014, 11:02:45 AM
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race only exists in the minds of people differentiating people using skin colour, nose size, hair color, etc

these traits only use 0.00000001% of our genetic variations, however the same people ignore the 99.99999999% that unite us
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August 11, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz-QMDPW5RM

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August 11, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.

Most Jews are not genetically tied, anyone can become a Jew if they desire so and they have the conviction to do so as it takes a while.
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August 11, 2014, 11:08:26 AM
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What about cheapness? Are Jews more or less generous than Christians?
Christians 100% more with their time. Money is anyone's guess buy I have seen plenty of both ,I am christian but my father is Jewish. As is my wife and her family.

its more of a quirk of historical circumstance.
people who do not have land will naturally put more emphasis on protecting their financial and intellectual assets.
people who have land will put more emphasis on protecting the land itself.

if you own lots of land you can grow lots of produce and so you have an abundance to share.
if you don't own any land you would tend to hoard your money and save it for a rainy day in case you needed it for an emergency.

I don't think that has anything to do with religious doctrine.. just more to do with how things played out in history.

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August 11, 2014, 11:13:30 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz-QMDPW5RM
So he is saying that the prophecy is that the Messiah is coming but will never come? I disagree with him.

According to Jewish belief, when the Messiah comes, he will bring all the Jews back to Israel. Afterwards, he will rebuild the Third Temple. Then G-d will reveal Himself. Afterwards, the people chosen to live on in Olam Haba (The World To Come) will work hard to improve the world they live in and will work hard to get closer and closer to G-d's knowledge. We can never completely know G-d, but we can strive to get closer and closer to His knowledge.

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August 11, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.

don't forget the Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims who all share an even closer genetic profile.
nobody can tell me that Ashkenazi and Ethiopian Jews are more closely related than any 3 people from any religion or culture born in the Levant.

the most important thing about middle eastern people is that blood is thicker than politics or religion...
well it would be if they would just open their eyes...

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August 11, 2014, 11:24:31 AM
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There are Ashkenazi Jews who share a similar genetic profile. There are Ethiopian Jews who share a similar genetic profile. And there are Middle Eastern and North African Jews who share a similar genetic profile. But Jews are not really a race but a people and a religion. That is the most important thing about the Jewish people. They are a people and a religion.
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I read somewhere that Jews cannot be near the homeless because it could turn them poor, which is against the Jewish religion, nor can they walk under ladders .
I don't know much about that. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz-QMDPW5RM
So he is saying that the prophecy is that the Messiah is coming but will never come? I disagree with him.

According to Jewish belief, when the Messiah comes, he will bring all the Jews back to Israel. Afterwards, he will rebuild the Third Temple. Then G-d will reveal Himself. Afterwards, the people chosen to live on in Olam Haba (The World To Come) will work hard to improve the world they live in and will work hard to get closer and closer to G-d's knowledge. We can never completely know G-d, but we can strive to get closer and closer to His knowledge.
no, he's saying that the messiah is a concept, and not a prophecy that constraints the physical universe (in the future, present, or past), and therefore, any messiah that comes, is not the messiah.

considering he's one of the most important jewish theologians of the last century, i'll stick with him.

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Either the ancient Israelite god Yahweh had a wife called Asherah or he/she was originally a fertility goddess.
the archaeological proof is undeniable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McJX44aeMhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V28SpCNTIgc

here is more detail on the concept of yahweh (also known as El Shaddai) which is both male and female.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Shaddai


in archaeological evidence though the figurines are almost all female.

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August 11, 2014, 11:52:17 AM
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/messiah.html

Jewish Concepts:
The Messiah

Many Jews have long been skeptical of predictions announcing the imminent arrival of the Messiah (Ma*shi*akh). The first century sage Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai once said: "If you should happen to be holding a sapling in your hand when they tell you that the Messiah has arrived, first plant the sapling and then go out and greet the Messiah." An old Jewish story tells of a Russian Jew who was paid a ruble a month by the community council to stand at the outskirts of town so that he could be the first person to greet the Messiah upon his arrival. When a friend said to him, "But the pay is so low," the man replied: "True, but the job is permanent."

Yet, the belief in a messiah and a messianic age is so deeply rooted in Jewish tradition that a statement concerning the Messiah became the most famous of Maimonides's Thirteen Principles of Faith: "And Ma'amin, I believe with a full heart in the coming of the Messiah, and even though he may tarry, I will wait for him on any day that he may come." In the concentration camps, it is reported that many Jews sang the Ani Ma'amin while walking to the gas chambers.

On the one hand, ironic jokes and skepticism; on the other, passionate faith: What then is the Jewish position on the Messiah?

Most significantly, Jewish tradition affirms at least five things about the Messiah. He will: be a descendant of King David, gain sovereignty over the land of Israel, gather the Jews there from the four corners of the earth, restore them to full observance of Torah law, and, as a grand finale, bring peace to the whole world. Concerning the more difficult tasks some prophets assign him, such as Isaiah's vision of a messianic age in which the wolf shall dwell with the lamb and the calf with the young lion (Isaiah 11:6), Maimonides believes that Isaiah's language is metaphorical (for example, only that enemies of the Jews, likened to the wolf, will no longer oppress them). A century later, Nachmanides rejected Maimonides's rationalism and asserted that Isaiah meant precisely what he said: that in the messianic age even wild animals will become domesticated and sweet*tempered. A more recent Jewish "commentator," Woody Allen, has cautioned: "And the lamb and the wolf shall lie down together, but the lamb won't get any sleep."

The Jewish belief that the Messiah's reign lies in the future has long distinguished Jews from their Christian neighbors who believe, of course, that the Messiah came two thousand years ago in the person of Jesus. The most basic reason for the Jewish denial of the messianic claims made on Jesus' behalf is that he did not usher in world peace, as Isaiah had prophesied: "And nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" (Isaiah 2:4). In addition, Jesus did not help bring about Jewish political sovereignty for the Jews or protection from their enemies.

A century after Jesus, large numbers of Palestinian Jews followed the would*be Messiah, Simon Bar*Kokhba, in a revolt against the Romans. The results were catastrophic, and the Jews suffered a devastating defeat. In 1665*1666, large segments of world Jewry believed that Shabbetai Zvi, a Turkish Jew, was the Messiah, and confidently waited for Turkey's sultan to deliver Palestine to him. Instead, the sultan threatened Shabbetai with execution and the "Messiah" saved his life by converting to Islam.

In the modern world, Reform Judaism has long denied that there will be an individual messiah who will carry out the task of perfecting the world. Instead, the movement speaks of a future world in which human efforts, not a divinely sent messenger, will bring about a utopian age. The Reform idea has influenced many non*Orthodox Jews: The oft*noted attraction of Jews to liberal and left*wing political causes probably represents a secular attempt to usher in a messianic age.

Among traditional Jews, the belief in a personal messiah seems to have grown more central in recent years. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, the subject of the Messiah was rarely, if ever, mentioned at the Jewish school I attended, the Yeshiva of Flatbush. Today however, one large movement within Orthodoxy, Lubavitch, has placed increasing emphasis on the imminence of the Messiah's arrival. At gatherings of their youth organizations, children chant, "We want Ma-shi*akh now."

At the same time, the subject of the Messiah has become increasingly central to many religious Zionists in Israel, particularly to many disciples of the late Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook. The event that helped set the stage for a revived interest in the Messiah was the Six*Day War of 1967, in which Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem and, for the first time in over two thousand years, achieved Jewish rule over the biblically ordained borders of Israel.

A sober reading of Jewish history, however, indicates that while the messianic idea has long elevated Jewish life, and prompted Jews to work for tikkun olam (perfection of the world), whenever Jews have thought the Messiah's arrival to be imminent, the results have been catastrophic. In 1984, a Jewish religious underground was arrested in Israel. Among its other activities, the group had plotted to blow up the Muslim Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, so that the Temple Mount could be cleared and the Temple rebuilt. Though such an action might well have provoked an international Islamic jihad (holy war) against Israel, some members of this underground group apparently welcomed such a possibility, feeling that a worldwide invasion of Israel would force God to bring the Messiah immediately. It is precisely when the belief in the Messiah's coming starts to shape political decisions that the messianic idea ceases to be inspiring and becomes dangerous.

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August 11, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
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One thing I forgot to mention was that Jews follow the complete Tanakh (Hebrew Old Testament), and not just the Torah. I don't know why so many people think that Jews stop reading the Old Testament after they finish the Torah.

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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/messiah.html

Jewish Concepts:
The Messiah

Many Jews have long been skeptical of predictions announcing the imminent arrival of the Messiah (Ma*shi*akh). The first century sage Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai once said: "If you should happen to be holding a sapling in your hand when they tell you that the Messiah has arrived, first plant the sapling and then go out and greet the Messiah." An old Jewish story tells of a Russian Jew who was paid a ruble a month by the community council to stand at the outskirts of town so that he could be the first person to greet the Messiah upon his arrival. When a friend said to him, "But the pay is so low," the man replied: "True, but the job is permanent."

Yet, the belief in a messiah and a messianic age is so deeply rooted in Jewish tradition that a statement concerning the Messiah became the most famous of Maimonides's Thirteen Principles of Faith: "And Ma'amin, I believe with a full heart in the coming of the Messiah, and even though he may tarry, I will wait for him on any day that he may come." In the concentration camps, it is reported that many Jews sang the Ani Ma'amin while walking to the gas chambers.

On the one hand, ironic jokes and skepticism; on the other, passionate faith: What then is the Jewish position on the Messiah?

Most significantly, Jewish tradition affirms at least five things about the Messiah. He will: be a descendant of King David, gain sovereignty over the land of Israel, gather the Jews there from the four corners of the earth, restore them to full observance of Torah law, and, as a grand finale, bring peace to the whole world. Concerning the more difficult tasks some prophets assign him, such as Isaiah's vision of a messianic age in which the wolf shall dwell with the lamb and the calf with the young lion (Isaiah 11:6), Maimonides believes that Isaiah's language is metaphorical (for example, only that enemies of the Jews, likened to the wolf, will no longer oppress them). A century later, Nachmanides rejected Maimonides's rationalism and asserted that Isaiah meant precisely what he said: that in the messianic age even wild animals will become domesticated and sweet*tempered. A more recent Jewish "commentator," Woody Allen, has cautioned: "And the lamb and the wolf shall lie down together, but the lamb won't get any sleep."

The Jewish belief that the Messiah's reign lies in the future has long distinguished Jews from their Christian neighbors who believe, of course, that the Messiah came two thousand years ago in the person of Jesus. The most basic reason for the Jewish denial of the messianic claims made on Jesus' behalf is that he did not usher in world peace, as Isaiah had prophesied: "And nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" (Isaiah 2:4). In addition, Jesus did not help bring about Jewish political sovereignty for the Jews or protection from their enemies.

A century after Jesus, large numbers of Palestinian Jews followed the would*be Messiah, Simon Bar*Kokhba, in a revolt against the Romans. The results were catastrophic, and the Jews suffered a devastating defeat. In 1665*1666, large segments of world Jewry believed that Shabbetai Zvi, a Turkish Jew, was the Messiah, and confidently waited for Turkey's sultan to deliver Palestine to him. Instead, the sultan threatened Shabbetai with execution and the "Messiah" saved his life by converting to Islam.

In the modern world, Reform Judaism has long denied that there will be an individual messiah who will carry out the task of perfecting the world. Instead, the movement speaks of a future world in which human efforts, not a divinely sent messenger, will bring about a utopian age. The Reform idea has influenced many non*Orthodox Jews: The oft*noted attraction of Jews to liberal and left*wing political causes probably represents a secular attempt to usher in a messianic age.

Among traditional Jews, the belief in a personal messiah seems to have grown more central in recent years. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, the subject of the Messiah was rarely, if ever, mentioned at the Jewish school I attended, the Yeshiva of Flatbush. Today however, one large movement within Orthodoxy, Lubavitch, has placed increasing emphasis on the imminence of the Messiah's arrival. At gatherings of their youth organizations, children chant, "We want Ma-shi*akh now."

At the same time, the subject of the Messiah has become increasingly central to many religious Zionists in Israel, particularly to many disciples of the late Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook. The event that helped set the stage for a revived interest in the Messiah was the Six*Day War of 1967, in which Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem and, for the first time in over two thousand years, achieved Jewish rule over the biblically ordained borders of Israel.

A sober reading of Jewish history, however, indicates that while the messianic idea has long elevated Jewish life, and prompted Jews to work for tikkun olam (perfection of the world), whenever Jews have thought the Messiah's arrival to be imminent, the results have been catastrophic. In 1984, a Jewish religious underground was arrested in Israel. Among its other activities, the group had plotted to blow up the Muslim Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, so that the Temple Mount could be cleared and the Temple rebuilt. Though such an action might well have provoked an international Islamic jihad (holy war) against Israel, some members of this underground group apparently welcomed such a possibility, feeling that a worldwide invasion of Israel would force God to bring the Messiah immediately. It is precisely when the belief in the Messiah's coming starts to shape political decisions that the messianic idea ceases to be inspiring and becomes dangerous.
yeshayahu leibowitz wrote the encyclopedia judaica, the ultimate compendium on jewish thought. here is the Messiah entry:

http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve....4&docType=GALE

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