Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile

[Pagan]

[chopstick]

Let's not forget this video here, uploaded on  June 18th a whole MONTH before MH17 was shot down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE

In this video Elena clearly describes an eyewitness report of the Ukies using passenger jets as cover for bombing runs. And there is no way the US doesn't know that they were using this tactic. The Ukies were doing this shit MONTHS before Mh17 was shot down. They are clearly fully to blame for this tragedy.

[247crypto]

[BitMos]

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[Balthazar]

[Balthazar]

[Balthazar]

[samaricanin]

COLLATERAL DAMAGE OR CRIMES OF WAR?

Remember NATO Collateral damage

[Balthazar]

[bryant.coleman]

Both Russia and the United States are having aerial footage from spy satellites. Russia has released its data. Why the United States is refusing to release the data which it possesses?

[Balthazar]

Just made some calculations:

http://s020.radikal.ru/i703/1411/b2/ccb57acbac43.jpg

The only possibility to make a real photo like this is to place camera 172 meters above the plane.

[Nemo1024]

Just made some calculations:

http://s020.radikal.ru/i703/1411/b2/ccb57acbac43.jpg

The only possibility to make a real photo like this is to place camera 172 meters above the plane.

I was waiting for someone to make these calculations 


Donetsk republic, Dutch experts and OCSE agreed on the procedure to transport wreckage parts (bigger parts will be cut into portions) to Holland for inspection and reconstruction. Donetsk Republic will be providing trucks and cranes. Let's just hope that Ukraine will not be providing artillery fire such as their customary want.

[picolo]

Russian propaganda is great at tricking Russians. The rest of the world just laughs at it.

The picture with bullets holes, the non public Dutch investigation report that implies it's an air to air missile that hit the plane, the google cloud ect. are facts

The Ukrainian government is killing its citizens in East Ukraine while the East Ukrainians want to be independant

[Balthazar]

Just made some calculations:

http://s020.radikal.ru/i703/1411/b2/ccb57acbac43.jpg

The only possibility to make a real photo like this is to place camera 172 meters above the plane.

I was waiting for someone to make these calculations  

Gotcha!

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

[Nemo1024]

Russia again calls for USA to release their satellite imagery from that day, and for Kiev to release the seized ATC communication recordings. The very fact that Kiev holds those recordings secret speaks volumes, and is the most damning evidence of Kiev's and/or Washington's involvement. If the records didn't hold any compromising information or compromised Russia, they would have not been touched as is the normal procedure in the crash investigations.

In the meantime, the retrieval of the Boeing pieces continues well.

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

Yes, long-focus lens would "compress" the distance between the plane and the ground, making the ground to appear closer to the plane.

[Schleicher]

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

Actually, to make the plane appear bigger compared to the ground, you have to get close.
There's no way around this. Basic optics.

[Balthazar]

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

Yes, long-focus lens would "compress" the distance between the plane and the ground, making the ground to appear closer to the plane.

Actually, to make the plane appear bigger compared to the ground, you have to get close.
There's no way around this. Basic optics.

However, it's obvious that original picture was compiled from the various sources... Some kind of trolling.

[Schleicher]

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

Yes, long-focus lens would "compress" the distance between the plane and the ground, making the ground to appear closer to the plane.

Actually, to make the plane appear bigger compared to the ground, you have to get close.
There's no way around this. Basic optics.

I won't ask you where did you learn basic optics.

Well, look at that picture.
With the tele lens you can see less of the background.
For the picture with the plane it would mean that the camera has to be close, and not in space.

[Balthazar]

Corrected. Didn't read your message carefully.

[Nemo1024]

Russian aviation authorities prepare a new packet of documents to be sent to the Dutch, pertaining the Boeing crash. In return, Russian (and more importantly, Malaysia!) do not get any information about the investigation as everything is concealed under the shroud of complete secrecy.

Meanwhile, the evidence continues to be cut into pieces in Donetsk by the Dutch experts (read: partially destroyed) and the whole plane will not be reconstructed according to the same experts, so the picture of the disaster will remain partial and secret, just as needed for a false flag to be able to frame Russia.

Also, a new article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-airlines-mh17-downed-by-ukrainian-military-aircraft-kiev-regime-false-flag/5414173

Global Research has from the outset provided extensive coverage of the downing of MH17. The evidence and analysis not only dispels Prime Minister Abbott’s accusations, it points unequivocally to a false flag attack instigated by the US-NATO supported Kiev regime, as well as a coverup by the Australian and Dutch investigators.

Lest we forget, the downing of MH17 was used as a pretext by Washington to impose economic sanctions on the Russian Federation.

The Western media and governments have gone to arms length to suppress and distort the evidence which points to the downing of MH17 not by a Buk missile but by a Ukrainian military aircraft.

And incidentally: http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/10/26/pranks-to-die-for-us-general-admits-help-for-ukraine-and-oligarch-kolomoysky-mh17-downing/