'Become Muslims by noon today... or we kill all of you'

[DubFX]

It isn't about the president it's about the persons that stay hidden but give him commands and he acts as sockpuppet.

That may have been true with Bush, but with Obama you have rows of sockpuppet after sockpuppet after sockpuppet...

How do you mean that? Like there are even more sockpuppets getting commands that obama is under or that obama has alot of sockpuppets?

[Tusk]

Its a sock puppet show

Here is a great mind that puts some perspective on why we are living in the "Clusterfuck" (a wonderful adjective from beetcoin)

Interviewer gets fucked by Noam Chomsky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CKpCGjD8wg

[kuroman]

When we went into Iraq we had no understanding of the tribal and sect situation and the aftermath showed in in a very glaring way. Perhaps a republic type of system with representation from all areas would have worked better than the current system of one sect or another being the ruling party.

For the current situation there is no real clear solution. We can drop bombs or send in drones etc. but American power being brought to bear in that country tends to send ordinary people in the other direction. 

Exactly, and what makes this situation even worst, is that Libya might become the second ISIS land, and from there spread conflict areas like they did here to Sudan/south Sudan, Mali...

[bryant.coleman]

Exactly, and what makes this situation even worst, is that Libya might become the second ISIS land, and from there spread conflict areas like they did here to Sudan/south Sudan, Mali...

Again, incompetence of Obama should be blamed. He failed in Benghazi, and now the militants are seizing town after town in Libya. Deploying a peacekeeper force sanctioned by the UN is the only choice left now.

[Daniel91]

When we went into Iraq we had no understanding of the tribal and sect situation and the aftermath showed in in a very glaring way. Perhaps a republic type of system with representation from all areas would have worked better than the current system of one sect or another being the ruling party.

For the current situation there is no real clear solution. We can drop bombs or send in drones etc. but American power being brought to bear in that country tends to send ordinary people in the other direction. 

Exactly, and what makes this situation even worst, is that Libya might become the second ISIS land, and from there spread conflict areas like they did here to Sudan/south Sudan, Mali...

Yes, this is real danger right now.
Unfortunately, this ''Arab's spring'' didn't bring freedom and stability in this region but chaos and instability.
I'm afraid that other countries in this region can fail in politic chaos as well.

[DodoB]

I would have converted yesterday.

[kuroman]

Some footage from Iraq air force doing some air strikes on ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeFVilDATNM

[dKingston]

Just what we needed, an Iraqi Taliban. Saddam was a horrible person that did horrific things but he was better than this group.

This is worst than Taliban as this group are way more brutal, When Al Qaeda them selfs says these guys are crazy then you know something is wrong.
For me the question would is how to fix things, and air strikes definitely not the solution in the long terms and can possibly have the opposite effect.

Air strikes are necessary as a short term solution to stop the massacre made by ISIS, but a long term plan should involve Iraqis authorities (and neighboring countries) that should be strengthened and current authorities are bad as they prosecute a part of the population which one reason reason why ISIS is expanding.

Education and promoting tolerant Islam in Mosques for example, and doing the same for other religions and minorities as tolerance is the key here, but this one will be hard, as Iranians and Saudi Arabia among others Geopolitical reasons collides

Helping Iraq rebuilding it institutions once their political system is balanced.
 

When we went into Iraq we had no understanding of the tribal and sect situation and the aftermath showed in in a very glaring way. Perhaps a republic type of system with representation from all areas would have worked better than the current system of one sect or another being the ruling party.

For the current situation there is no real clear solution. We can drop bombs or send in drones etc. but American power being brought to bear in that country tends to send ordinary people in the other direction. 

I would predict that there will be some kind of civil war in Iraq for a long time. The US and the rest of the world may intervene if things get too out of hand but I don't think there will be peace there for at least a decade. I do think it is very sad that individual sects of Islam are not more willing to be accepting of other's religion.

[GangkisKhan]

A rational prisoner should just convert rather than choose death or face torture.

[beetcoin]

what's funnier is that they were also taunting the U.S. .. i'm not sure how smart they are strategically by taunting the U.S. while in the midst of conquering an area that the U.S. has a military history with.

[noviapriani]

ISIS are worse than the Nazi's. As evil as the Nazi's were, they tried to cover-up their brutality but this lot seem to gloat in it. The world cannot stand back and let this group commit unspeakable crimes and grow in numbers. How they can do this in the name of Islam i don't know, they are savages, nothing more.

[Rigon]

Where are Bush & Blair now? They should be hauled into the court at The Hague & made answerable for their actions. It's thanks to them that this barbarism has been unleashed in Iraq & Syria.

[kuroman]

what's funnier is that they were also taunting the U.S. .. i'm not sure how smart they are strategically by taunting the U.S. while in the midst of conquering an area that the U.S. has a military history with.

It's not stupid, it's a political stunt, used everywhere, you call out someone stronger than you to show your followers that you fear nothing, not to mention that a lot of ISIS recruites were victims to US intervention directly or indirectly.

ISIS are worse than the Nazi's. As evil as the Nazi's were, they tried to cover-up their brutality but this lot seem to gloat in it. The world cannot stand back and let this group commit unspeakable crimes and grow in numbers. How they can do this in the name of Islam i don't know, they are savages, nothing more.

Nazis were on a class on their own, they used their advanced science and scientist to find new way to murder people, ISIS might get there if no intervention is made, but for now they brutal uneducated criminals in the vast majority, and what they are doing is against Islam and I can give examples, such as it's forbidden in Islam to kill or torture someone that surrendered, to kill unarmed women and children, slavery is also forbidden in Islam....ect ect.

[cryptasm]

Where are Bush & Blair now? They should be hauled into the court at The Hague & made answerable for their actions. It's thanks to them that this barbarism has been unleashed in Iraq & Syria.

Exactly, both these warmongers should be locked up in chains.

Blair alone costs the UK taxpayers £millions every year for his security, I'd be happy if he (and Bush) were getting water-boarded in Gitmo Bay.

[umair127]

The united nations was formed to prevent and defend the weak. If the world does not intervene. Then the whole world is in peril. Forget the trading and profitable world relationships we have now. The liberal hand wringers have had theirs and got their way with iraq and afghanistan. Tell the world how talks and sanctions are to prevent mass slaughter by this evil

[Snail2]

Indeed, but my is that almost no one was paying attention to ISIS when they were slaughtering Muslims in the thousands (and other minorities), but once Christians came in the line it became a head line article, and I believe human lifes should be threated equally and this just show how our western media and politics are biased....

This is quite natural. Do you think the muslims are care about what's happening in Ukraine? No, they don't. That would change if someone would start killing muslims. Same thing applies here.

This is worst than Taliban as this group are way more brutal, When Al Qaeda them selfs says these guys are crazy then you know something is wrong.
For me the question would is how to fix things, and air strikes definitely not the solution in the long terms and can possibly have the opposite effect.

Air strikes are necessary as a short term solution to stop the massacre made by ISIS, but a long term plan should involve Iraqis authorities (and neighboring countries) that should be strengthened and current authorities are bad as they prosecute a part of the population which one reason reason why ISIS is expanding.

Vietnam is the best example, for displaying the limited usefulness of air strikes. If you want to win a war against something like ISIS eventually you have to go there, look into their eyes and kill them all. That's the only remedy.

[kuroman]

The united nations was formed to prevent and defend the weak. If the world does not intervene. Then the whole world is in peril. Forget the trading and profitable world relationships we have now. The liberal hand wringers have had theirs and got their way with iraq and afghanistan. Tell the world how talks and sanctions are to prevent mass slaughter by this evil

Sadly the UN is built to hold the interest of the strong ones, hence only a couple of countries has the power to veto and control anything that is decided in the UN entities that has the power of action like the security council, as for the general assembly other countries can suggest or vote all they want not much things are usually done.

This is quite natural. Do you think the muslims are care about what's happening in Ukraine? No, they don't. That would change if someone would start killing muslims. Same thing applies here.

The situation wouldn't change really (example Chechen war) , they are following the situation, but they cannot take positions and even if they take position it wouldn't change anything, not to mention that Arab countries right now are surrounded with Issues like in Mali, Libya, Syria, Iraq....

Vietnam is the best example, for displaying the limited usefulness of air strikes. If you want to win a war against something like ISIS eventually you have to go there, look into their eyes and kill them all. That's the only remedy.

Ah don't remind me of Vietnam, I've read some books recently and some articles about the US war crimes there....and I'm still shocked of how humans can do such things to other fellow humans .... but if you go back to your point here, Vietnam has proven that ground intervention fails also,trying to kill everyone will just makes matters even worse and will only bring more chaos to the chaos that is already in place, ISIS should be pushed for the time being with military actions to save people from death, but at the same time and as I pointed before, they should have a long term plan that would solve the political/religious/tribal issues of the country, strengthens the country institutions, and military power

[bryant.coleman]

ISIS are worse than the Nazi's. As evil as the Nazi's were, they tried to cover-up their brutality but this lot seem to gloat in it. The world cannot stand back and let this group commit unspeakable crimes and grow in numbers. How they can do this in the name of Islam i don't know, they are savages, nothing more.

Hmm... no. They are not. The Nazis butchered some 25 -30 million innocent civilians, just because they thought that these ethnic groups were inferior. (6 million Jews, 4 million Poles, 1 million Roma, 10-15 million Russians / Ukrainians / Belarussians, and many more). How many people have been killed by the ISIS so far? The maximum number might be in 5 figures?

That said, the ISIS is pure evil. They are a bunch of barbarians.

[Ron~Popeil]

Just what we needed, an Iraqi Taliban. Saddam was a horrible person that did horrific things but he was better than this group.

This is worst than Taliban as this group are way more brutal, When Al Qaeda them selfs says these guys are crazy then you know something is wrong.
For me the question would is how to fix things, and air strikes definitely not the solution in the long terms and can possibly have the opposite effect.

Air strikes are necessary as a short term solution to stop the massacre made by ISIS, but a long term plan should involve Iraqis authorities (and neighboring countries) that should be strengthened and current authorities are bad as they prosecute a part of the population which one reason reason why ISIS is expanding.

Education and promoting tolerant Islam in Mosques for example, and doing the same for other religions and minorities as tolerance is the key here, but this one will be hard, as Iranians and Saudi Arabia among others Geopolitical reasons collides

Helping Iraq rebuilding it institutions once their political system is balanced.
 

When we went into Iraq we had no understanding of the tribal and sect situation and the aftermath showed in in a very glaring way. Perhaps a republic type of system with representation from all areas would have worked better than the current system of one sect or another being the ruling party.

For the current situation there is no real clear solution. We can drop bombs or send in drones etc. but American power being brought to bear in that country tends to send ordinary people in the other direction. 

I would predict that there will be some kind of civil war in Iraq for a long time. The US and the rest of the world may intervene if things get too out of hand but I don't think there will be peace there for at least a decade. I do think it is very sad that individual sects of Islam are not more willing to be accepting of other's religion.

Unfortunately I think you are exactly right. Sometimes when the opposing sides are so dead set on destroying the other it only ends when one side wins. Maybe the territorial integrity of Iraq isn't that important in the grand scheme of things. 3 or 4 smaller countries might be a better solution to all of this.

[Spendulus]

ISIS are worse than the Nazi's. As evil as the Nazi's were, they tried to cover-up their brutality but this lot seem to gloat in it. The world cannot stand back and let this group commit unspeakable crimes and grow in numbers. How they can do this in the name of Islam i don't know, they are savages, nothing more.

Hmm... no. They are not. The Nazis butchered some 25 -30 million innocent civilians, just because they thought that these ethnic groups were inferior. (6 million Jews, 4 million Poles, 1 million Roma, 10-15 million Russians / Ukrainians / Belarussians, and many more). How many people have been killed by the ISIS so far? The maximum number might be in 5 figures?

That said, the ISIS is pure evil. They are a bunch of barbarians.

Important part is bolded.