Speculation Posting Guideline

[N12]

To complement the Forum moderation policy for Speculation, here are a few guidelines on why postings are likely to be deleted or moved.
On Market Manipulation:

• Clear suggestions to market participants to take a particular course of action (e.g. "Buy now before the price goes to 5", "SELL quickly, the weekend is coming")
• Deliberate spreading of false or forged and deceptive information like faked charts
  
• Announcements to take a particular market action (e.g. "I am going to buy 50k BTC tomorrow, so you better buy now.")
  

On Unrelated Topics:

• Discussion of exchanges and service providers usually belongs to Trading Discussion
• Scammer accusations also belong to Trading Discussion

These are NOT rules.
It’s just an information service for probable reasons your posts might be deleted. Always use your own judgement.

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[proudhon]

Damn, now what am I gonna post? 

[SkRRJyTC]

If I post a chart with lines drawn on it and I conclude by saying I think its the time to buy buy buy is that considered 'Announcements to take a particular market action'?

[Bigpiggy01]

How is this in line with FUD is your friend?

[ThomasV]

Blitzboom, will you apply these guidelines to yourself as well?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53453.0

[N12]

If I post a chart with lines drawn on it and I conclude by saying I think its the time to buy buy buy is that considered 'Announcements to take a particular market action'?

No, that one is just meant for people who announce that they will soon buy or sell <amount> Bitcoins.

The example you listed is on the verge of being manipulative IMO, but I will probably only act on the most blatant cases.

This forum is very laissez faire and I’d like to keep it that way. The goal is really to get rid of all the crappy BUY BUY BUY or SELL SELL SELL so we can have a semi-serious climate at least. More discussion, less suggestion.

How is this in line with FUD is your friend?

Can you rephrase that? No clue what you just wanted to say.

Blitzboom, will you apply these guidelines to yourself as well?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53453.0

First off, my thread was sarcastically meant. Second, I don’t see any problem with it even if it were serious, as it’s just an opinion. Third, I’ve started moderating only recently.

And yes, of course they apply to me as well.

@myself
Again, these are not "rules", just a guideline so you typically know why your post has been deleted, so I’m not constrained to them.

[cypherdoc]

You killed all the fun?

[naima53]

Blitzboom oh ... I agree with you .. For a long time waiting for that .. A large number of people who are not familiar with the trade to blindly follow the forum .. I hope this mess is over ..  Take a poll may be 

[jojo69]

To complement the Forum moderation policy for Speculation, here is a guideline on which postings will not be tolerated.
On Market Manipulation:

• Clear suggestions to market participants to take a particular course of action (e.g. "Buy now before the price goes to 5", "SELL quickly, the weekend is coming"
• Deliberate spreading of false or forged and deceptive information like faked charts
  
• Announcements to take a particular market action
  

On Unrelated Topics:

• Discussion of exchanges and service providers usually belongs to Trading Discussion
• Scammer accusations also belong to Trading Discussion

As always, this is merely a list of typical situations to date, not a "fixed ruleset".

sooooooo... ...

what, exactly, are we supposed to post in the "speculation" subforum??

censorship = fail, let the reader beware

[notme]

The example you listed is on the verge of being manipulative IMO, but I will probably only act on the most blatant cases.

Great... Just like America where everything is against the rules and those with power get to choose who to enforce those rules on.

First off, my thread was sarcastically meant. Second, I don’t see any problem with it even if it were serious, as it’s just an opinion. Third, I’ve started moderating only recently.

Oh, so it's ok if YOU are sarcastic, but if we are, you retain the right to censor us?

GTFO

[Mushoz]

This is just ridiculous...

[Crypt_Current]

I read this thread, then immediately drove to the store, bought an American flag, set it up here in my living room, stood, placed my right hand over my heart, and recited the Pledge of Allegiance with more passion and vigor than I ever have recited anything, ever.

[byronbb]

This is just ridiculous...

Pretty much this.

[N12]

Here is my final statement on this matter:

Let me provide the history of moderation on this forum and Speculation as I experienced it:

Until summer and the Forum moderation policy (which ironically many objected against in the beginning, too), there was hardly any moderation at all by the few Admins. One year ago, even Silk Road could post on this forum and advertise its business.

Now as the market went parabolic and the forum became crowded with spammers and trolls, the situation was hardly sustainable anymore, so finally, volunteer mods were promoted and instructed to take care of it. It was also an effort to combat the image it gave to people (for example businessmen) who were repelled from Bitcoin due to its community. The image damage went so far that the Bitcoin Forum was removed from the bitcoin.org domain and on the frontpage it now links to a Google search to distance the project from this forum.

Most often, the spam and trolls consisted of people who liked to create threads consisting of "CRASH SELL SELL SELL"; this is indicated in sirius’s second point. As a reaction to the crap that persisted to plague the forums, the Speculation section was created in July to contain it. Here is one of the oldest threads exemplifying this well: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28317.0

So, here we are now, with me appointed to take care of the recently neglected Speculation forum. As I have stated, I fully intend to keep intact the lax and laissez faire style of this subforum, and having you (Mushoz, I’m looking at you) judge it after two days and hardly any moderation at all is inadequate.

If you think threads such as "dont buy a damn single bitcoin few days" are of necessity for free speech, there are plenty of other Bitcoin forums in competition. In case enough people deem the policy bad, discussion will move there.

[qo]

sooooooo... ...

what, exactly, are we supposed to post in the "speculation" subforum??

I also think a few examples of appropriate subjects would help us understand what will be looked upon favorably and what will not.  Throw us a bone here Blitz? 

Sincere thanks for stepping up to take on the onerous and likely thankless task of keeping us all in line!

[RaggedMonk]

+1.  This is a step in the right direction.

[byronbb]

Isn't this a breach of the rules??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74282.0

[mc_lovin]

So scammers are allowed on the forum but you arn't allowed to suggest a bitcoin purchase to other members?  Am I reading that right?

[RyNinDaCleM]

If the [censored] forum is [censored], then [censored] will [censored] [censored] and the [censored] is [censored]. For we cannot [censored] until the [censored] is [censored] for the big shots?

Well that [censored] sucks!  

Seriously though, We can definitely do without some of the topics started here, but this IS the speculation forum. So I say speculate on!

[mysteriousawake]

Did I do it right this Time, Analysis 


You can delete mine too.... sorry i messed up , on the first page it says buy buy..... thanks for your understanding.   

[stochastic]

So scammers are allowed on the forum but you arn't allowed to suggest a bitcoin purchase to other members?  Am I reading that right?

Just go into off-topic.

[ElectricMucus]

Thanks, it's about time some rules are established here.

Hopefully this will yield more fruitful discussion in the future.

[cbeast]

Censorship! This thread is a sign that Bitcoin is in big big trouble. 

[naima53]

Censorship! This thread is a sign that Bitcoin is in big big trouble. 

Ha, right! Blitzboom. What is the point of the new rules violated my theme, "My screwed method or up\down club " ? I did not call anyone to buy or sell there ...

[trogdorjw73]

Censorship! This thread is a sign that Bitcoin is in big big trouble. 

Ha, right! Blitzboom. What is the point of the new rules violated my theme, "My screwed method or up\down club " ? I did not call anyone to buy or sell there ...

I believe the point isn't to eliminate all speculation/price movement suggestions. Rather, it's to eliminate the threads that have nothing to say other than "WE'RE GOING DOWN/UP! SELL/BUY!" Post a chart with some reasoning behind it and you're speculating and that's fine. Post a stupid thread saying "Everyone sell all your coinz now! I think we're going down." on the other hand would be a waste of space.

[naima53]

Censorship! This thread is a sign that Bitcoin is in big big trouble.  

Ha, right! Blitzboom. What is the point of the new rules violated my theme, "My screwed method or up\down club " ? I did not call anyone to buy or sell there ...

I believe the point isn't to eliminate all speculation/price movement suggestions. Rather, it's to eliminate the threads that have nothing to say other than "WE'RE GOING DOWN/UP! SELL/BUY!" Post a chart with some reasoning behind it and you're speculating and that's fine. Post a stupid thread saying "Everyone sell all your coinz now! I think we're going down." on the other hand would be a waste of space.

I agree that "all sell sell sell stupid theme" is not needed. But I created a theme of "the club to sell \ buy for the big players." I have not seen similar topic earlier here. Perhaps it may seem strange, but I have a few number of subscribers who meet the requirements of this topic. Now there is no theme. I do not know how to explain it to them.

[Bigpiggy01]

How are we supposed to herd my brethren to the slaughter?

Or does this just mean we have to be slightly less direct/obvious when FUDDING ?

[da2ce7]

On Market Manipulation:

• Clear suggestions to market participants to take a particular course of action (e.g. "Buy now before the price goes to 5", "SELL quickly, the weekend is coming")
• Deliberate spreading of false or forged and deceptive information like faked charts
  
• Announcements to take a particular market action (e.g. "I am going to buy 50k BTC tomorrow, so you better buy now.")
  

Completely Disagree.  This is the POINT of the speculation forum!

On Unrelated Topics:

• Discussion of exchanges and service providers usually belongs to Trading Discussion
• Scammer accusations also belong to Trading Discussion

Completely Agree.  They serve no purpose in this form!

[ElectricMucus]

What about a more educational theme, technical analysis, market indicators, psychology, economical data, etc... 

[da2ce7]

What about a more educational theme, technical analysis, market indicators, psychology, economical data, etc... 

Well I love that stuff also.  It is what makes the Speculation forum great!
I loved all those 'buy now!!!!' threads... then the price goes down.  It teaches people to think for themselves.

[labestiol]

Congrats, you just made this subforum pointless...
ANY speculation about the market can also be manipulation, and you shouldn't (anyone shouldn't) be the one to judge

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

[beckspace]

I loved all those 'buy now!!!!' threads... then the price goes down.  It teaches people to think for themselves.

+100

[GeniuSxBoY]

moderation of speculation sucks.

this should be an anything goes forum.


Repeal the moderation now!

[Dutch Merganser]

To complement the Forum moderation policy for Speculation, here are a few guidelines on why postings are likely to be deleted or moved.

Thank you. Up to this point there has been far too much "Time to BUY! BUY! BUY! / SELL! SELL! SELL! this rocket to moon / sewer missile" posting content here. It's evident that most of the folks doing this simply aren't aware of how lame and ridiculous they appear to be when they do this, perhaps because they think they have invented something new.

Set the clock back 15 years, to the time when the internet/tech bubble was building. Crappy and useless investment discussion boards like Yahoo and Raging Bull are incredibly popular. Mouth-breathing halfwits posting junk like "James Cramer is a Investment God", "Gate's deal with the Devil guarantees Microsoft going to $1000/share", "Buy XXXY! People will not be able to live without their Internet enabled snowboards", etc are the rule for at least 95% of postings.

It didn't take long for reasonable people to recognize that these venues were a waste of time unless your idea of time well spent was trolling retards and wannabee amateur confidence artists.

Back then there actually was one pretty good investment board, Silicon Investor, moderation was the rule and the speed with which spam accounts disappeared was such that they were often kicked on the first post. It was actually a good place to go with a few very notable posters, for example, the once notorious short seller "Mr. Pink". Unfortunately, that was then, now Silicon Investor is a dying collection of increasingly senile old farts pissing and moaning about a changing world. Yahoo message boards are still total crap, and I'm not even going to bother to see if Raging Fool is still in operation.

I'm 110% for the policies you have stated and note that they have been effective in a much larger universe of financial discussion. Once again, thank you.

[Crypt_Current]

If the [censored] forum is [censored], then [censored] will [censored] [censored] and the [censored] is [censored]. For we cannot [censored] until the [censored] is [censored] for the big shots?

Well that [censored] sucks!  

Seriously though, We can definitely do without some of the topics started here, but this IS the speculation forum. So I say speculate on!

+1

Ya know Ryan, (btw can I call you Ryan??  OK XD), you've always provided quality posts to this forum, and in a uniquely enthusiastic and down-to-earth fashion, that I want to take a moment to personally thank you on that... no donation though, sorry; i'm far too poor for that.  But seriously, thanks man.  Ya know why so much thanks??

Cuz this forum is growing, and it's thanks to innovative, out-of-the-box, yet jovial and neologistic (sometimes even inter-linguistic, which is a very significant indicator IMO) posts that inspire new thought patterns by questioning every single change in real time.  Intelligence feeding upon intelligence, and growing...

There seems to be more "junior" and newly "Full" members of the forum posting in the speculation sub-forum, and to me this signals growth and expansion of interest in and awareness of Bitcoin.  And, perhaps some of them are young or rebellious in nature or both, and the increased moderation of sub-forums IMO is an indicator of growth because it is authority, because someone believes the influx of idiotic posts is becoming overwhelming.

New to newer members: Keep the backlash coming, whether intelligent or otherwise.  To authority and moderation:  Keep the smackdowns coming.

Keep the FUD spread all over ever flag of every fucking obsolete nation-state, because at any fucking USD valuation, Bitcoin users will leave everyone else in the dust.

Good fucking luck all you brilliant mother-fuckers.

[organofcorti]

^ this is a good comment, yes?

[da2ce7]

Did my poll just get cleaned up??? I don't see how it was off-topic...

[N12]

Sorry, what poll? I deleted nothing recently.

Also, communication via PM would be appreciated.

[da2ce7]

Sorry, what poll? I deleted nothing recently.

Also, communication via PM would be appreciated.

No... I'm just a retard.... posted it to the wrong forum.