dice.ninja - Now with Plinko!

[marcotheminer]

Omaha! You are on fire haha!

ninja is happening today. bankroll up to 546 BTC dooglus played a few rolls won a few BTC

Oh dear. It's like deja vu all over again.

Let's hope not 

[T04D]

Change the drop tables for your plinko, and a couple other things, to seperate it from luckyb.it a bit more.

I would suggest changing the tables so that the edge is 1% for all three rows.

Your investors are already happy to accept a 1% edge, so why not make the most of your crowd-sourced bankroll and be competitive with the greedier sites?

Here are some slightly modified (I only changed the first (and last) two numbers) paytables which give slightly over 1% edge instead of the current 1.75% edge:

Current:

edge('green',  [ 22,   5,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])         green: 1.750488%
edge('yellow', [111,  38, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])        yellow: 1.755676%
edge('red',    [999, 130, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])           red: 1.759033%
                                                                                  
Modified:

edge('green',  [111,  14,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])         green: 1.039429%
edge('yellow', [222,  46, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])        yellow: 1.026306%
edge('red',    [999, 145, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])           red: 1.026611%

Closer to 1%, but without "lucky" max win multipliers:

edge('green',  [ 123,  14,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])        green: 1.002808%
edge('yellow', [ 230,  46, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])       yellow: 1.001892%
edge('red',    [1007, 145, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])          red: 1.002197%

So I made a little graph to play around with this.

I wanted to give users as much variety at the different levels, so here's what I came up with:
edge('green',   [  145,     2,        1.8,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000
edge('yellow':  [  777,   33.33, 12.35, 4,    2,    1.3, 1,      0.6,  0.5]) - Bit quicker, for average length gaming sessions.  - edge: 1.000
edge('red':       [1032, 135,      25,      9,    4,    2,    0.21, 0.2,  0.19]) - Do or die, for a loose cannon ninja with nothing left to lose. - edge 1.000

Thoughts?

[omahapoker]

thats very nice toad. i only play red and only care about 130x and 999x


I could live with 135, and 1032





real ninja wear red



I hit 130x 6times already today

[T04D]

I wanted to give users as much variety at the different levels, so here's what I came up with:
edge('green',   [  145,     2,        1.8,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000
edge('yellow':  [  777,   33.33, 12.35, 4,    2,    1.3, 1,      0.6,  0.5]) - Bit quicker, for average length gaming sessions.  - edge: 1.000
edge('red':       [1032, 135,      25,      9,    4,    2,    0.21, 0.2,  0.19]) - Do or die, for a loose cannon ninja with nothing left to lose. - edge 1.000

Thoughts?

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

[dooglus]

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

That's cool except for the 0.75 bucket.

Could you make one where they're all at least 1.0?

[williamj2543]

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

That's cool except for the 0.75 bucket.

Could you make one where they're all at least 1.0?

Cant sense the troll or if your being legit.

[T04D]

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

That's cool except for the 0.75 bucket.

Could you make one where they're all at least 1.0?

With math all things are possible!


... But not necessarily fun.

[suchmoon]

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

That's cool except for the 0.75 bucket.

Could you make one where they're all at least 1.0?

Keeping with the best traditions of dice sites I haven't tested the code, but I think something like this should work:

Code:

edge('green',   [  1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,      1,    1]) 

I think it also fixes the issue of skipped nonces and even eliminates the risk of the site owner playing against investors.

[dooglus]

Keeping with the best traditions of dice sites I haven't tested the code, but I think something like this should work:

Code:

edge('green',   [  1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,      1,    1]) 

I think it also fixes the issue of skipped nonces and even eliminates the risk of the site owner playing against investors.

That looks like it could work, but have you considered how it would work against sophisticated strategies such as the "Martingale" technique?

[suchmoon]

Keeping with the best traditions of dice sites I haven't tested the code, but I think something like this should work:

Code:

edge('green',   [  1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,      1,    1]) 

I think it also fixes the issue of skipped nonces and even eliminates the risk of the site owner playing against investors.

That looks like it could work, but have you considered how it would work against sophisticated strategies such as the "Martingale" technique?

I googled it and got pictures of horses so I think you're just messing with me now.

[shorena]

Keeping with the best traditions of dice sites I haven't tested the code, but I think something like this should work:

Code:

edge('green',   [  1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,     1,      1,    1]) 

I think it also fixes the issue of skipped nonces and even eliminates the risk of the site owner playing against investors.

That looks like it could work, but have you considered how it would work against sophisticated strategies such as the "Martingale" technique?

I googled it and got pictures of horses so I think you're just messing with me now.

sooo much overhead...

[marcotheminer]

Change the drop tables for your plinko, and a couple other things, to seperate it from luckyb.it a bit more.

I would suggest changing the tables so that the edge is 1% for all three rows.

Your investors are already happy to accept a 1% edge, so why not make the most of your crowd-sourced bankroll and be competitive with the greedier sites?

Here are some slightly modified (I only changed the first (and last) two numbers) paytables which give slightly over 1% edge instead of the current 1.75% edge:

Current:

edge('green',  [ 22,   5,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])         green: 1.750488%
edge('yellow', [111,  38, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])        yellow: 1.755676%
edge('red',    [999, 130, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])           red: 1.759033%
                                                                                  
Modified:

edge('green',  [111,  14,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])         green: 1.039429%
edge('yellow', [222,  46, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])        yellow: 1.026306%
edge('red',    [999, 145, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])           red: 1.026611%

Closer to 1%, but without "lucky" max win multipliers:

edge('green',  [ 123,  14,  3, 2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,   0.4])        green: 1.002808%
edge('yellow', [ 230,  46, 12, 5, 3,   1.4, 1,   0.5, 0.3])       yellow: 1.001892%
edge('red',    [1007, 145, 24, 9, 4,   2,   0.2, 0.2, 0.2])          red: 1.002197%

So I made a little graph to play around with this.

I wanted to give users as much variety at the different levels, so here's what I came up with:
edge('green',   [  145,     2,        1.8,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000
edge('yellow':  [  777,   33.33, 12.35, 4,    2,    1.3, 1,      0.6,  0.5]) - Bit quicker, for average length gaming sessions.  - edge: 1.000
edge('red':       [1032, 135,      25,      9,    4,    2,    0.21, 0.2,  0.19]) - Do or die, for a loose cannon ninja with nothing left to lose. - edge 1.000

Thoughts?

Ooh! 1 suggestion, make the numbers appear in random sequence as opposed to 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (increases suspense!)

[omahapoker]

got a 999x from a regular at ninja.


I think thats 3 999x that have been hit

[williamj2543]

got a 999x from a regular at ninja.


I think thats 3 999x that have been hit

How many bets have you placed! You've been hitting all these high ones

[omahapoker]

got a 999x from a regular at ninja.


I think thats 3 999x that have been hit

How many bets have you placed! You've been hitting all these high ones

that one wasnt me.


I hit 130x 6 times yesterday 3 of them were 100sat bets


thenother 3 were 0.00060000, 0.00050000, 0.0002500

[dooglus]

Some issues:

* my investment figure only updates when I chat
* I can't see my total profit while betting on the 'bets' tab - there used to be a 'mini stats' thing but it isn't there any more
* the site is very laggy; at times it takes over 20 seconds just to switch tabs
* the 'bets' tab needs more filters - I want to be able to filter out the plinko bets, and also the dust dice bets
* 'divest all' seems to leave dust invested, as if the amount is calculated client-side, and is out of date
* my all-time profit in the leaderboard is always (even allowing for cache-lag) 7000 satoshis less than my real all-time profit - maybe it's not counting plinko profit?

[espringe]

I wanted to give users as much variety at the different levels, so here's what I came up with:
edge('green',   [  145,     2,        1.8,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000
edge('yellow':  [  777,   33.33, 12.35, 4,    2,    1.3, 1,      0.6,  0.5]) - Bit quicker, for average length gaming sessions.  - edge: 1.000
edge('red':       [1032, 135,      25,      9,    4,    2,    0.21, 0.2,  0.19]) - Do or die, for a loose cannon ninja with nothing left to lose. - edge 1.000

Thoughts?

I think you need to be mindful of keeping the max multiplier low, at least with green. If I'm not mistaken the most you can risk is going to be: `(1-MIN_MULT) * ((0.005 * BANKROLL + 1)/MAX_MULT) `, which with even the impressive bankroll you have is going to be like ~0.006 BTC with the above scheme for green, and much less for others.  I'm not going to deny my mind as been brain damaged by the gambling, but that's not enough to make me flinch.

[dooglus]

I'm not going to deny my mind as been brain damaged by the gambling, but that's not enough to make me flinch.

So I took the few BTC I won from you on moneypot.com, and used them as part of my bankroll on dice.ninja.

I got up almost 7 BTC before the inevitable big fail:

[T04D]

I think you need to be mindful of keeping the max multiplier low, at least with green. If I'm not mistaken the most you can risk is going to be: `(1-MIN_MULT) * ((0.005 * BANKROLL + 1)/MAX_MULT) `, which with even the impressive bankroll you have is going to be like ~0.006 BTC with the above scheme for green, and much less for others.  I'm not going to deny my mind as been brain damaged by the gambling, but that's not enough to make me flinch.

I wanted to give users as much variety at the different levels, so here's what I came up with:
edge('green',   [  145,     2,        1.8,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000
edge('yellow':  [  777,   33.33, 12.35, 4,    2,    1.3, 1,      0.6,  0.5]) - Bit quicker, for average length gaming sessions.  - edge: 1.000
edge('red':       [1032, 135,      25,      9,    4,    2,    0.21, 0.2,  0.19]) - Do or die, for a loose cannon ninja with nothing left to lose. - edge 1.000

Thoughts?

I decided to tweak green a bit, to give users a higher max bet on green.

edge('green',   [  38,     5,        2.3,   1.4, 1.2, 1.1, 1,      1,     0.75])  - Very safe, for a ninja that waits patiently for his bitcoins. - edge:1.000

[T04D]

Some issues:

* my investment figure only updates when I chat
* I can't see my total profit while betting on the 'bets' tab - there used to be a 'mini stats' thing but it isn't there any more
* the site is very laggy; at times it takes over 20 seconds just to switch tabs
* the 'bets' tab needs more filters - I want to be able to filter out the plinko bets, and also the dust dice bets
* 'divest all' seems to leave dust invested, as if the amount is calculated client-side, and is out of date
* my all-time profit in the leaderboard is always (even allowing for cache-lag) 7000 satoshis less than my real all-time profit - maybe it's not counting plinko profit?

I think most of these are on the todo list, and some have fixes ready to go that just haven't been rolled out to the server.

We've been focusing a lot on that lag issue, which is really the most important to us.

And you are correct about the plinko profit currently being exempted from leaderboards, soon (hopefully) we'll have separate leaderboards for btc, ltc, dice and plinko.