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[jaysabi]

Why do people think legal action can't be taken?  Have you ever dealt with the courts?

In the US, where I believe dmf/toad/whoever is from, bitcoin is treated like any possession, not money.  If I loan my solid gold statue to a jewelry shop to drum up business and be payed a small portion of the business it brings, if he closes up shop and leaves, I could sue him and make him pay for my lawyers expenses as well.

If it's just because it's a "gambling" site, then by the IRS's own definition that bitcoin isn't money, they have made it the same as playing poker with food, computer parts, or whatever you use as a standin for real money.  Well at least if I lost a ton of money that's the route I'd go.

Courts can not enforce an illegal contract or award you damages based on illegal activity. If you're from the States and you sent money to this guy, you were involved in illegal activity, either gambling on an illegal site or investing in an illegal site. You have no legal remedy.

Have they specifically ruled it illegal yet?  If they have I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.  So far they've just said it isn't classified as money, so in the eyes of the law it's just like gambling with things that may or may not be valuable in "real" money. Maybe that's illegal somehow online as well, but I think it's slightly different and/or not decided for bitcoin yet.  

What i mean is there will eventually be a case just like this the courts have to decide, so why not let it be this one where lots of money was stolen?

You're talking about the IRS definition of bitcoin, which is irrelevant. Running a gambling site is illegal. It doesn't matter if it's denominated in dollars, bitcoins, or hotdogs. The site itself, taking deposits of anything, and then allowing people to gamble to win more of that item, is a gambling site. Gambling sites are illegal. Therefore a court will not reward your illegal behavior by issuing a judgment in your favor.

I generally agree with you and it might go that way in the end, but technically they haven't ruled on gambling with stuff that isn't fiat currency as far as I'm aware.  Isn't that why gambling sites that are just for fun are legal?

It just seems like everyone is unsure and eventually there will be a court case to decide this stuff.

http://www.bitcoingg.com/bitcoin-gambling-legal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/02/06/171182974/is-online-gambling-legal-if-bitcoins-not-dollars-are-at-stake

By that line of reasoning, the guy who ran Silk Road wouldn't have been charged with money laundering if the government believed bitcoin was valueless. Gambling sites that are just for fun are legal because you're not staking anything of value. Bitcoin has value, even if the government refuses to call it a currency. The key factor isn't "is this a currency?" It's "does this thing have value?" That's why you have to ( well legally you are supposed to) pay taxes on the value of gifts you receive, even if they're not money. Because they have value and are "income." That's also why some EU gambling sites block US IP addresses, because they can't legally take US customers because they'd be breaking US laws. Bottom line is, these sites are definitely illegal in the US, and no court has the power to award you damages for partaking in an illegal activity.

read and reread this please >> http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583

 

You're an idiot and don't know the difference between a civil suit and an administrative action by the SEC. Please direct your simple brain to your own link and read and reread it please. When you're done, ask a grown up if you need help figuring out what the difference is between a criminal complaint, a civil complaint, and an administrative action by the SEC.

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You're an idiot and don't know the difference between a civil suit and an administrative action by the SEC. Please direct your simple brain to your own link and read and reread it please. When you're done, ask a grown up if you need help figuring out what the difference is between a criminal complaint, a civil complaint, and an administrative action by the SEC.

good morning ...yes yes what he said^ this is how it's going down..please do your homework BEFORE you say anything else!    

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[Dotcommie]

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[omahapoker]

I found this in google images

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https://i.imgur.com/HrWJKsN.png




I found this in google images

dmf = Eric Springer



 



~ nobrainer imho



he owes me 38BTC !!!


*the Federal Trade Commission(FTC) is the agency in charge of these types of cases..so i'm told ! :\


>>I'll have more details soon! maybe some kid of class action suit?...~ i'm not sure who else lost bitcoin here! !!!

[arvindr]

I found this in google images

dmf = Eric Springer

~ nobrainer imho

he owes me 38BTC !!!
*the Federal Trade Commission(FTC) is the agency in charge of these types of cases..so i'm told ! :\
>>I'll have more details soon! maybe some kid of class action suit?...~ i'm not sure who else lost bitcoin here! !!!

How do you even find so much time for trolling?
You are famous for it on all gambling forum threads.

[Dabs]

~ nobrainer imho

You got that right. You have no brain.

[BBmmBB]

~ nobrainer imho

You got that right. You have no brain.

only half a brain... wheres phinny? he's my other half! ~  lol 

[BBmmBB]

I found this in google images

dmf = Eric Springer

~ nobrainer imho

he owes me 38BTC !!!
*the Federal Trade Commission(FTC) is the agency in charge of these types of cases..so i'm told ! :\
>>I'll have more details soon! maybe some kid of class action suit?...~ i'm not sure who else lost bitcoin here! !!!

How do you even find so much time for trolling?
You are famous for it on all gambling forum threads.

investment forum threads...

[Phyzic]

Good one!
Enjoyed alot.

[suchmoon]

Good one!
Enjoyed alot.

That's an interesting point of view. I take it you're the real dmf because he's the only who could be enjoying this?

(yes, I'm aware it's just an account farmer and he/she won't be back to reply, but I'm just bored)

[dooglus]

I found this in google images

Were you calling me slow earlier?

yes i agree, 10 seconds would be way better. for slow people like dooglus.

j/k dooglus

I posted that image *in response to a post from you*!

Here:

Im sure dmf will reply to your questions when he wakes up and see this

I hope so.

I've been offline most of the day. Was anything said in the chat about it?

Edit: I just scrolled back in the chat log on the site, and saw this:



so I guess that explains it.

I still think it's more important to prove solvency. Offering to do some minimal "mixing" on withdraw should fix the problem. If a user wants to withdraw directly to a coinbase account, you could give him the option of having his coins go through 2 or 3 different addresses before going to the address he supplies. That way the investors aren't left wondering whether you've sold their coins into the ongoing BTC price crash hoping to buy them back cheaper at the bottom.

I was raising the alarm that hiding your cold wallet funds is suspicious... Turns out I wasn't far from the truth!

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(sockpuppet talk)

don't act like you were not involved ... mark this post ! * you are on the hook for this one ! :\

[omahapoker]

I found this in google images

Were you calling me slow earlier?

yes i agree, 10 seconds would be way better. for slow people like dooglus.

j/k dooglus

I posted that image *in response to a post from you*!

Here:

Im sure dmf will reply to your questions when he wakes up and see this

I hope so.

I've been offline most of the day. Was anything said in the chat about it?

Edit: I just scrolled back in the chat log on the site, and saw this:



so I guess that explains it.

I still think it's more important to prove solvency. Offering to do some minimal "mixing" on withdraw should fix the problem. If a user wants to withdraw directly to a coinbase account, you could give him the option of having his coins go through 2 or 3 different addresses before going to the address he supplies. That way the investors aren't left wondering whether you've sold their coins into the ongoing BTC price crash hoping to buy them back cheaper at the bottom.

I was raising the alarm that hiding your cold wallet funds is suspicious... Turns out I wasn't far from the truth!

get off my yard!!!!

[statdude]

Whats the TLDR here?

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Whats the TLDR here?

Chris Moore ~ Eric Springer ~ Joe Mattie ~ stunna(name ?) defraud "investors" out of 100s of bitcoins .   

[Shogen]

Whats the TLDR here?

The site moved bitcoin in cold storage address, hid their new cold storage address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745422.msg9087238#msg9087238), and soon all three sites dice.ninja, darkdice.net and jpcdice.com went offline (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745422.msg9147909#msg9147909).

[waterpile]

still no news around here? the troll is on a rampage in this thread

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still no news around here? the troll is on a rampage in this thread

https://blockchain.info/address/37ZPqNdmFJAMutT5hRt192gPsY8NK4pPJZ

some of the coins went here per blockchain !!!! ...who's address is this?