dice.ninja - Now with Plinko!

[dooglus]

still no news around here? the troll is on a rampage in this thread

He only deals in conjecture. If he says something, it hasn't been researched, measured, tested or proven. He never just says he doesn't know...

[BBmmBB]

still no news around here? the troll is on a rampage in this thread

He only deals in conjecture. If he says something, it hasn't been researched, measured, tested or proven. He never just says he doesn't know...

listen Chris i'm not sure if you are still in Canada , but we are going to come find you brah!  



i'm thinking of calling Patrick Byrne from overstock.com and ask him what to do with you!~also i can think of a few Toronto PIPE finance hawks i've known for a few years who deal in "investments"... they are going to get a kick out of this!!!     i'm going to make you famous!!!! lol

[jaysabi]

still no news around here? the troll is on a rampage in this thread

He only deals in conjecture. If he says something, it hasn't been researched, measured, tested or proven. He never just says he doesn't know...

Sometimes, he's mildly amusing. When the community talks about something, he googles the topic and just puts the words he finds into sentences.

also i can think of a few Toronto PIPE finance hawks i've known for a few years who deal in "investments"... they are going to get a kick out of this!!! 

I know he's a clown, the only time I've felt compelled to answer is when he posts something remotely related enough that someone might later come across it and, not knowing better, might find it credible if it goes unanswered. (The SEC thing, for example.)

Unfortunately, it seems this thread has died out though. It's been awhile since anything of consequence was posted. The only thing bumping it recently has been that sad clown shouting for attention.

[Dotcommie]

Unfortunately, it seems this thread has died out though. It's been awhile since anything of consequence was posted. The only thing bumping it recently has been that sad clown shouting for attention.

It was the weekend and maybe people were busy? I know I was.  I have pieced together a story in my head that is pretty convincing, but it could be just that, a story.  If I manage to have one of those moments where it all clicks, I'll post the details.  I'm just wondering what the big btc losers are doing if they're not posting anywhere. Crying quietly in a corner somewhere?

[beachlurker]

I am still very much interested in pursuing this - as an investor in the site's bankroll who lost a non-insignificant amount of bitcoin. It seems to me that no one has put too much effort into pursuing Jeremy Hise, the likely "dmf" (dicemasterflash and flashmasterdice). I hesitate to engage the AKCoinDigger hypothesis too much, since he has been so open with his personal information.

[BBmmBB]

I am still very much interested in pursuing this - as an investor in the site's bankroll who lost a non-insignificant amount of bitcoin. It seems to me that no one has put too much effort into pursuing Jeremy Hise, the likely "dmf" (dicemasterflash and flashmasterdice). I hesitate to engage the AKCoinDigger hypothesis too much, since he has been so open with his personal information.

how much did you lose? :\ bitdice.me is also linked to this site don't ja kno ~ 

[Dotcommie]

Dooglus posted this in this thread or another DN thread back when things were still good, but it finally confirms what I thought from my days on jpcdice:  We are looking for 2 people, not just 1.  (Seemed like some of you were promoting the idea it was just one guy's master plan)

[arvindr]

Dooglus posted this in this thread or another DN thread back when things were still good, but it finally confirms what I thought from my days on jpcdice:  We are looking for 2 people, not just 1.  (Seemed like some of you were promoting the idea it was just one guy's master plan)

It could be very well be the same guy commenting through 2 accounts, using 2 browsers. Its more important to be able to find 1 guy , which will automatically lead to the other.

[NLNico]

Isn't that "proof" that it's 1 person? :/

admin: show your work
sam: you show yours
admin: fair enough, give me a second ..

[Seketsuna]

if you got able to get one from the two then you will have your answer if its really 1 or 2

[Dotcommie]

Isn't that "proof" that it's 1 person? :/

admin: show your work
sam: you show yours
admin: fair enough, give me a second ..

T04D and DMF are the 2 that ran it and they were talking at the same time in a natural conversation where nobody suspected them of anything and the guy was just asking how the pachinko game worked. It wasn't an accusation or anything, he was just trying to work out the math and they were joking about showing the work.  These sort of conversations happened all the time on jpcdice for a month(or two?) before the others were even up, and back then I don't think they had decided to do what they ended up doing.  I didn't think to grab any screenshots at the time, but I'll have to start capturing video or something whenever I'm on dice sites in the future.

I'm pretty confident there were 2, but there's always a chance it was orchestrated from the start.  I do know that there were times when the hotwallet needed to be refilled and t04d wasn't able to transfer from the cold wallet.  Sometimes we had to wait hours or the next day for dmf to do it.  I had quit my job around the time JPCdice was being used daily by some whales throwing tons of money at it, and I had it open on my 3rd monitor and watched it most days of the week.  I didn't see anything that struck me as odd and there never seemed to be any fluctuation in personality or typing the wrong name by mistake when referring to each other.  We can assume a lot of wild stories, but for now I'm pretty convinced there is a team behind it.

AK does like to use tons of different screen names though

[omahapoker]

just by chatting with both toad and dmf everyday for 6 months i can confirm it's two people. and i think they are long gone.

[imp0ster]

Unfortunately, it seems this thread has died out though. It's been awhile since anything of consequence was posted. The only thing bumping it recently has been that sad clown shouting for attention.

It was the weekend and maybe people were busy? I know I was.  I have pieced together a story in my head that is pretty convincing, but it could be just that, a story.  If I manage to have one of those moments where it all clicks, I'll post the details.  I'm just wondering what the big btc losers are doing if they're not posting anywhere. Crying quietly in a corner somewhere?

If you need help with that or specific addresses you can PM me.

Also I do want to note that when the cold wallet funds dissappeared they didnt get tumbled or anything, it just went to the AK PD deposit address, so the whole coinbase story shouldn't have made sense at the time to anyone taking a second look at the transactions since it was very easy to track where the btc went. Other people were aware of the fact that the 17U1L address was AKs PD deposit address..

I am still very much interested in pursuing this - as an investor in the site's bankroll who lost a non-insignificant amount of bitcoin. It seems to me that no one has put too much effort into pursuing Jeremy Hise, the likely "dmf" (dicemasterflash and flashmasterdice). I hesitate to engage the AKCoinDigger hypothesis too much, since he has been so open with his personal information.

The scenario of Jeremy Hise being set up from the start is very likely, especially if you look at who the first person to have found the instagram post is.

I am still wondering about the legal aspect of this, are investors actually punishable by law? And if they are, are the site owners punishable for running off with the funds?(I'd imagine so)

[jaysabi]

I am still wondering about the legal aspect of this, are investors actually punishable by law? And if they are, are the site owners punishable for running off with the funds?(I'd imagine so)

Investors did commit a crime (technically) by investing in the site. Gamblers committed a crime by gambling on the site. These are minor crimes, but they are still crimes, which is why there is no civil remedy for you to sue to recover your funds. I don't see authorities being concerned with charging any gamblers, they'd be more concerned with going after the guy running the gambling operation.

On that side of things, the site owner committed many crimes: running an unlicensed gambling site, selling unregistered securities, and ultimately conversion (theft) of investor and gambler money.

There's basically three ways I can see to pursue this. Civil remedy (suing in court for money), administrative procedure (SEC or state regulatory agency gets involved for selling unregistered securities and conversion of investor funds), and criminal charges.

As I've already stated, civil remedy is out. You can't sue to recover funds involved in illicit activities.

On the administrative procedure front, there are several problems. One problem is you don't have an identity, and you don't have proof of a security. If this was a straight unregistered securities case, you could go to the SEC and say "This guy sold me securities, here's the written promises he made (the contract or security), my proof of ownership, and by the way he's also run off with my money." The SEC (or a state securities agency) would probably take up the case and investigate, then charge him with various securities violations and then seek a court order to disgorge his ill-gotten gains and seek to return that money to burned investors, and also slap him with a civil fine for breaking securities laws. Then they may refer the case to the State's Attorney to pursue criminal charges. BUT, without documentation and contracts and all the very basic things that accompany even an unregistered securities case, I can't fathom any regulatory agency even pretending to waste their time on this. With no identity, contract, or proof a security existed, you're basically just a guy who gave some stranger on the street some cash, and then got mad when he didn't give it back and ran away. That's likely why there's no regulatory agency that would touch this.

Finally, on the criminal side, you have that this guy ran an unlicensed casino and also stole money. Without an identity, it's hard to see cops taking this seriously. If you loaned 20 bucks to your friend and he never paid it back and you called the cops, they would tell you it's a matter for the courts. They won't arrest him, because it's a civil matter, it's for the courts to determine a loan/contract existed, that the guy didn't pay you back, and that you are entitled to the money, and they would issue an order for him to pay you back. As I've already discussed, civil remedy is out. That basically leaves running an unlicensed casino. This is probably your best bet, but again, without an identity, I don't know how seriously any law enforcement agency is going to take this.

That's not to say don't try any of these options. Just temper your expectations about how much recourse you actually have. If you had an ironclad identity, I would go to the FBI and say this guy was running an illegal bitcoin casino and he stole the money too. Of any agency, it would most likely be their jurisdiction, because they're a federal agency and the gambling laws are probably federal. With just suspicions on who the identity is, I can't see them launching an investigation into this, but I could be wrong!

And of course, my base assumption here is whoever this guy is, he was US-based. If he was foreign, this analysis is moot.

[suchmoon]

without an identity, I don't know how seriously any law enforcement agency is going to take this.

IANAL as usual but it shouldn't take much to subpoena Amazon for hosting/payment details.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=508088

How to Serve a Subpoena

If you have a subpoena to serve on Amazon, please note that Amazon does not accept service via e-mail or fax and will not respond to the subpoena. All subpoenas must be properly served on Amazon.com, preferably by mailing the subpoena to Corporation Service Company (CSC), Amazon's national registered agent. Please find below the Washington address for CSC (the CSC office in your jurisdiction may be located through the Secretary of State's website):

Amazon.com, Inc.
Corporation Service Company
300 Deschutes Way SW, Suite 304
Tumwater, WA 98501
Attn: Legal Department - Subpoena

Please note also that providing detailed and accurate information at the outset will facilitate efficient processing of your request. That information will include, for example, e-mail and/or credit card number used to make purchases for retail purchase information; the name, e-mail, and physical address of a seller for seller information; Kindle serial number for Kindle information (please note we do not have GPS location information); and IP address and complete time stamp for AWS information.

[jaysabi]

without an identity, I don't know how seriously any law enforcement agency is going to take this.

IANAL as usual but it shouldn't take much to subpoena Amazon for hosting/payment details.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=508088

How to Serve a Subpoena

If you have a subpoena to serve on Amazon, please note that Amazon does not accept service via e-mail or fax and will not respond to the subpoena. All subpoenas must be properly served on Amazon.com, preferably by mailing the subpoena to Corporation Service Company (CSC), Amazon's national registered agent. Please find below the Washington address for CSC (the CSC office in your jurisdiction may be located through the Secretary of State's website):

Amazon.com, Inc.
Corporation Service Company
300 Deschutes Way SW, Suite 304
Tumwater, WA 98501
Attn: Legal Department - Subpoena

Please note also that providing detailed and accurate information at the outset will facilitate efficient processing of your request. That information will include, for example, e-mail and/or credit card number used to make purchases for retail purchase information; the name, e-mail, and physical address of a seller for seller information; Kindle serial number for Kindle information (please note we do not have GPS location information); and IP address and complete time stamp for AWS information.

Subpoena comes from a court, or from an attorney on behalf of a court in which there is an active case. Seems impossible you can get to a point where there is a subpoena power to obtain this information, because you're again talking about a civil remedy which a court will dismiss before you get to that point. Civilly, you will not be able to get this information.

But perhaps on criminal charges the authorities could pursue this, because AWS would be pretty good information about his likely identity considering he most likely paid with a credit card. I hadn't thought of this before. This would be worth following up on if you wanted the authorities to try to track him down. Still a long shot, and you would need someone to actually have the resolve to make this happen by filing a complaint.

[imp0ster]

without an identity, I don't know how seriously any law enforcement agency is going to take this.

IANAL as usual but it shouldn't take much to subpoena Amazon for hosting/payment details.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=508088

How to Serve a Subpoena

If you have a subpoena to serve on Amazon, please note that Amazon does not accept service via e-mail or fax and will not respond to the subpoena. All subpoenas must be properly served on Amazon.com, preferably by mailing the subpoena to Corporation Service Company (CSC), Amazon's national registered agent. Please find below the Washington address for CSC (the CSC office in your jurisdiction may be located through the Secretary of State's website):

Amazon.com, Inc.
Corporation Service Company
300 Deschutes Way SW, Suite 304
Tumwater, WA 98501
Attn: Legal Department - Subpoena

Please note also that providing detailed and accurate information at the outset will facilitate efficient processing of your request. That information will include, for example, e-mail and/or credit card number used to make purchases for retail purchase information; the name, e-mail, and physical address of a seller for seller information; Kindle serial number for Kindle information (please note we do not have GPS location information); and IP address and complete time stamp for AWS information.

Subpoena comes from a court, or from an attorney on behalf of a court in which there is an active case. Seems impossible you can get to a point where there is a subpoena power to obtain this information, because you're again talking about a civil remedy which a court will dismiss before you get to that point. Civilly, you will not be able to get this information.

But perhaps on criminal charges the authorities could pursue this, because AWS would be pretty good information about his likely identity considering he most likely paid with a credit card. I hadn't thought of this before. This would be worth following up on if you wanted the authorities to try to track him down. Still a long shot, and you would need someone to actually have the resolve to make this happen by filing a complaint.

I don't think you'd get much from the credit card details as they most likely used prepaid credit cards or another form of anonymous payments. The IP addresses might be very interesting though..

Aside from the hosting company AKs ISP(since DMF 'used' his IP address) might be able to shed some light on what incoming and outgoing connections were made from his IP address, I don't know how things are in the US but where I'm from ISPs keep logs up to a year.

[suchmoon]

But perhaps on criminal charges the authorities could pursue this, because AWS would be pretty good information about his likely identity considering he most likely paid with a credit card. I hadn't thought of this before. This would be worth following up on if you wanted the authorities to try to track him down. Still a long shot, and you would need someone to actually have the resolve to make this happen by filing a complaint.

I wonder if this can be initiated by Amazon itself. If running a gambling site is against their TOS and against the law, shouldn't they be obligated to report this to authorities if they are made aware that someone was conducting this illegal activity on their platform?

Edit: on a second thought, this might result in players'/investors' IPs being handed over as well

[jaysabi]

But perhaps on criminal charges the authorities could pursue this, because AWS would be pretty good information about his likely identity considering he most likely paid with a credit card. I hadn't thought of this before. This would be worth following up on if you wanted the authorities to try to track him down. Still a long shot, and you would need someone to actually have the resolve to make this happen by filing a complaint.

I wonder if this can be initiated by Amazon itself. If running a gambling site is against their TOS and against the law, shouldn't they be obligated to report this to authorities if they are made aware that someone was conducting this illegal activity on their platform?

Edit: on a second thought, this might result in players'/investors' IPs being handed over as well

Probably not. They'd cease providing services and I would think that would fulfill their obligation. And I really don't think any law enforcement agency is going to waste time going after an investor. In the States, they make it a habit to target the operators instead of the gamblers of online casinos. They restrict the gamblers by forcing credit card companies not to do business with internet casinos, so there's never been a reason to target individual gamblers. Much more work for a small crime than is it's worth. I don't see the fact that this is bitcoin changing that for gamblers.

[omahapoker]

guys, only way you might get some coins back is t\o find dmf. no courts, no laywers, no police reports.



you find out where he is and you knock on his door