Calm down children, for starters not throwing e-tantrums when your baseless claims are questioned is a good way to get some credibility.
The only one making baseless claims here is you, sparky. You're the one throwing a tantrum because BFL won't ship you a unit in a week.
have more credibility to make pronouncements about a subject you apparently know little to nothing about?
No, please do not attempt to side step this argument.
You do not have proof, you may or may not have some credibility with the community in certain areas. This does not make your word gospel.
You are the one sidestepping the argument. You next quote proves as much.
What is adequate for you?
A unit being demonstrated on a video for a group of people known to the community.
Again you do not seem to understand the difference being a logical conclusion and faith.
Been done several times. Gigavps posted a video. I believe at least one other person did. I have a good number of units running in my basement as do hundreds of other people. What, exactly, qualifies as a "group of people" and why does it need to be a "group?"
Stop sidestepping the issue. What proof is adequate? I had assumed that it would go without saying that the proof you require hadn't already been provided numerous times, but apparently you're too stupid to figure that fact out, so I will spell it out for you: What is adequate proof that has not already been provided in the past?
I challenge you to prove any flaws in my use of the definitions instead of throwing this childish tantrum and attack.
No problem, hambone, here you:
"certainty" - definition: Without a doubt. Unquestionable. Unable to be disputed.
Lets looks at your contextual use of the word:
There is no certainty
It is indisputable that BFL has produced a product that hashes ~800 MH/s at ~80w. It is indisputable that BFL has shipped many of these units. It is indisputable, without a a doubt and completely unquestionable that these units exist in the real world, operate and are being sold. Ergo, your use of the word and by extension your definition of the word is wrong.
"leap of faith": Definition - accept a premise without evidence or confirmation.
Let's look at your contextual use of the phrase:
it is purely a leap of faith
Since we have already established that these devices exist, that they are being sold and that they perform as currently advertised it can not be a "leap of faith" since there is evidence and confirmation. Ergo, your use of the phrase, and by extension your definition of the phrase is wrong.
"completely" - Definition - Totally, utterly, wholly, fully, entirely.
Let's look at your contextual use of the word:
BFL at this point in time is completely unverified
Since we have already established that these devices exist, and we have already established that people have visited the offices, since we have already established that many, many people have been in communications with BFL, since we have already established that these devices have been sold and shipped, the company is at least partially verified (most would say it is completely verified, but lets not split hairs.) Ergo, your use of the word and by extension your definition of the word is completely and utterly (wholly if you will) wrong.
So there you have it, hambone. You are
certainly wrong;
Completely and utterly. In a word, you sir are an idiot.
Good for you, is there some kind of award you are expecting ?
Yes, the award I was expecting was for you to be able to understand basic communication of the fact that my experience in the very subject being discussed puts me in a unique position to assess performance of the subject at hand. Apparently I thought too highly of your cognitive skills.
I have also been involved in start ups and successfully started my own business and ran it for 5 years before selling to take an easier career path. This should have 0 weight on my argument as I do not know you personally so you would be required to have a leap of faith in my claims.
You are absolutely correct. But the difference between me and you is I have the respect, history and track record with this community and of this community to allow me to make a claim that carries some weight simply due to my credibility within this context. You, on the other hand, have none of the above, yet you are making claims and pronouncements like you have some authority in the matter, when you have neither the history or track record to back it up, nor have you actually ever communicated with or visited BFL. Basically you have nothing to back up your claims, whereas I have both the historical record of my activities here and the photographic and physical evidence of my visits to BFL.
Im certain many forum members have also had similar success or do software engineering (me) or hardware engineering etc etc etc.
Spouting these claims without proof to boost your authority again just seems childish and immature.
Really? So how is one suppose to establish that they are an authority in a particular subject area? Do tell, I am all ears. You've proven to be so intelligent so far, I'm sure you'll have a gem here, too.
Blatantly lying and continuing to lie about expected delivery times for over 6 months is not BAU for any respectable company. If you truly were a professional you would know this. Contracts are terminated in my field for much less.
That's all you've got? They miss their shipping times? Seriously, that's it? I've never defended their shipping estimates and I agree that they are, as currently performed, out of line. However, that does not make them "completely unverified" nor does engender "no certainly, purely a leap of faith." Generally, the majority of the people who have orders in are aware that there's the likely possibility of not getting their unit in six weeks, but they all believe they will eventually get it (otherwise why would they order?) - so your argument completely falls apart at this point (like it wasn't already a train wreck to begin with, I'm being generous... cause I'm magnanimous like that, yo.).
So your entire diatribe is because they miss their ship dates (and continue to miss them) - like I said, the words you use do not mean what everyone else agrees they mean. They only have meaning in your head.
1) produce 1 fact regarding BFL that can be verified and carries some weight.
Done.
2) Grow the fuck up, stop screeching and swearing on the forums because people dared to question your claims. Frankly any respect you may have earned from me is lost due to the extremely childish and unprofessional way you handle yourself.
Respect from a troll like you is pretty low on my priority list. Trust me, I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm not "screeching", though I am swearing... but only because I am absolutely incredulous that someone can be as ignorant as you and still able to use the internet. Seriously, I wonder how you are able to even find the on switch on your computer, since it's questionable that you can even feed yourself or interact with society in a meaningful manner - you apparently have a worldview that is not shared by anyone else, so how do you function within society when your view contradicts that of everyone around you? It is truly a mystery.
I wouldnt enter into business with someone that throws tantrums when people do not blindly agree with their unfounded claims.
And I wouldn't enter into business with someone who is unable to even understand basic English.
3) Attempt a civil debate, respond with founded claims or STFU. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the definition of a debate so you know to keep your assumptions out if it.
I suggest you do the same, since you can't follow your own advice.
tl;dr: Sorry for the wall of text, but I figure I'd respond in kind to your stupidity. What you mistake for "screeching " and a "tantrum" is the fact that I type 120wpm and can whip off a 1500 word missive in the time it takes most people to type a few sentences. The bottom line is, your entire argument is based around the fact that BFL misses their shipping date and you throw around claims and pronouncements that are just plain lies, all hinging solely on the fact that they have not historically actually shipped in 6 weeks. That is literally your entire argument and it is incredibly flimsy, disingenuous and basically just a bunch of lies.
