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June 14, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
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There should be a place to gamble on the average, low, etc. - yes I know there is.  Interesting bets.


Isn't that GLBSE/PPT.D?
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June 14, 2012, 11:18:15 PM
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Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant.  Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway?  Right?
I'm not sure why people are sweating the seconds, the only way the seconds can be dealt with is at the server.  I'm also not sure why everyone is suddenly assuming that you can get a buy order in while the sale is processing.  One sale order is entered and it is then processed, who is to say the server isn't processing it completely before trying to process the next buy order?  I could see it working either way, but I thought someone posted about placing a buy order that didn't get filled even though orders lower than it got filled after it was placed.  This would have been several weeks ago, and I haven't been able to find it, but I have seen even less to indicate the opposite.  Regardless, if the opposite was true, then a human hitting the button 5 seconds early would be fine.
I think you are right - thats my observation as well.
Placing a buy order while a sell is being processed only adds it at the end ot the queue. Though, cancel seem to have some bigger priority.
There is obviously some kind of transaction processing queue and you cannot jump in the middle while the sell 3k is being slowly executed. Very slowly, BTW.
That's my experience - that's why when I got up last Saturday I didn't have any PPT bonds, only an open buy order with the price that should have been bought - obviously my price adjusting bot was waking up too often - and before repricing your offer, you first need to cancel the current one. And this is why I'm not going to play like this anymore Smiley

But the fact is that you cannot sell 3k bonds on GLBSE within one second - from what I saw, it takes at least 20 seconds. So why bother with your own 1 or 10 seconds lags? Who cares?

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June 15, 2012, 03:44:21 AM
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...It'd be nice if after x time, trading was locked so even if his script take 30 seconds to execute, someone's not slipping another order in.

That does not sound good.  Single bonds are being auctioned off starting at a certain time.  If I came into the room and offerred more than the next person, then by auction rules I am entitled to receive that bond.

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant.  Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway?  Right?

The point of having it scripted is that if PPT.A is to start selling at 01:00:00, for example, then it should start selling at 01:00:00.  The process it takes to finish the selling is a whole other topic.  Otherwise you are allowing bids and the auction to be done before 01:00:00 and then ending the auction at 01:00:00.

Just for information and point of comparison, the ASX (not sure about other stock exchanges) purposely program in a random offest either side of the schedule start of trading. Not sure whether it is to reduce sniping. Just noting that established exchanges are not accurate to the second with their opening price auctions.

The time is randomly generated by ASX Trade and occurs up to 15 seconds on either side of the times given above, e.g. group 1 may open at any time between 9:59:45 am and 10:00:15 am.

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June 15, 2012, 05:33:52 AM
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I think he knows and I think he's swamped in work + support questions atm. Hopefully he finds some time to do some development work on GLBSE, the recent API for outstanding shares was a great start!

How can I get the number of outstanding shares through GLBSE API. Cannot find it. Or is it not live yet?
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June 15, 2012, 05:37:13 AM
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I think he knows and I think he's swamped in work + support questions atm. Hopefully he finds some time to do some development work on GLBSE, the recent API for outstanding shares was a great start!

How can I get the number of outstanding shares through GLBSE API. Cannot find it. Or is it not live yet?

yea I don't think I came across this yet.  The way I got outstanding shares or my dividend tables was through the dividend API.  It lists how many shares were paid, but it is not an up-to-date on the outstanding shares.

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June 15, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
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Reading threads instead of "subbing" them helps...! Wink

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June 16, 2012, 12:16:04 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
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June 16, 2012, 02:07:15 AM
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I'm going to make a wild guess here and predict an ASP of 1.07.

Wow, was that ever wrong. Tongue There was a total over 1 share sold at 1.07 and that was the highest.

Sold down to 1.011 and I didn't get to buy due to GLBSE bugs. Boo-urns
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June 16, 2012, 02:10:04 AM
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That was weird - punched the button right on 2:00 and it threw an error at me (insufficient assets??).  Went back and repeated and it went through, although later than anticipated.

I doubt an API/bot would have picked that up.
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June 16, 2012, 02:20:01 AM
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That was weird - punched the button right on 2:00 and it threw an error at me (insufficient assets??).  Went back and repeated and it went through, although later than anticipated.

I doubt an API/bot would have picked that up.

Well now you know to build an automatic retry feature into any bot you build.  Grin  Just be careful, cause if you oversell, I'll be jumping on those extra shares.

I didn't remember to put some spare funds into GLBSE so missed out this time, really sad.
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June 16, 2012, 02:23:06 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

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June 16, 2012, 03:24:32 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.
Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.


So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.
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June 16, 2012, 06:52:16 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.
Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.


So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.

Lowering the bonds being released by half does not instill confidence.

Introducing constraints to the economy only serves to limit what can be economical.
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June 16, 2012, 06:53:08 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.
Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.


So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.

Lowering the bonds being released by half does not instill confidence.

We sold 3k just like we always do.  The 6k issue was an error.

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June 16, 2012, 06:54:17 AM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.
Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.


So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.

Lowering the bonds being released by half does not instill confidence.

We sold 3k just like we always do.  The 6k issue was an error.

Ah, I see now.  I thought it was being increased.

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June 16, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
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We sold 3k just like we always do.  The 6k issue was an error.
Maybe selling that 6k was an error - but it also was your best deal so far Smiley
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2012-04-21 1500 1.07255
2012-04-28 2000 1.08122
2012-05-05 2000 1.08374
2012-05-12 2500 1.10021
2012-05-19 6000 1.11758
2012-05-26 3000 1.03798
2012-06-02 3000 1.06625
2012-06-09 3000 1.04627
2012-06-16 3000 1.03296

Now I understand why the price of PPT.DIV has gone down to 1.0, after the last sell.

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June 16, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

Unfortunately he takes forever to do this, I've had over 130 BTC tied up unusable for a fortnight now, despite posts, PMs & emails to support & his personal address.

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June 16, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
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Maybe instead of having to spend time manually fixing people's account balances, nef should add a line of code to the buyback function to cancel all outstanding orders. As an asset issuer, I would also like to see this as a separate option that may be used by the issuer before making a price sensitive announcement.

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June 16, 2012, 02:25:41 PM
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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?
It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

Unfortunately he takes forever to do this, I've had over 130 BTC tied up unusable for a fortnight now, despite posts, PMs & emails to support & his personal address.

I'm hopeful you don't know what a fortnight is and you think that it means a quarter of a day, because if this takes two weeks+ to be resolved I'm going to be upset. Wink

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June 16, 2012, 07:29:59 PM
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Sales results for all sales are posted here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An2G-HmYRtr3dEFBMV9uN3FveU0tMGREdjVaZUVRTGc

The statistics for every PPT sale, including this most recent one are:

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               PPT.A           PPT.B           PPT.C           PPT.D           PPT.E

Minimum Bid     1.06800000      1.07000000      1.08001000      1.09999999      1.08501000
Maximum Bid     1.10000000      1.11110000      1.10250000      1.10500000      1.15000000
Average Bid     1.07254632      1.08122156      1.08373618      1.10020628      1.11757997
Maximum Yield   19.85%          19.63%          18.52%          16.36%          17.97%
Minimum Yield   16.36%          15.20%          16.10%          15.84%          11.30%
Average Yield   19.34%          18.38%          18.11%          16.34%          14.53%

Minimum Bid     1.00000002      1.03800000      1.04100000      1.01100009
Maximum Bid     1.13000000      1.30000000      1.08000000      1.07000000
Average Bid     1.03798202      1.06624577      1.04626778      1.03295503
Maximum Yield   28.00%          23.31%          22.96%          26.61%
Minimum Yield   13.27%          -1.54%          18.52%          19.63%
Average Yield   23.32%          20.05%          22.34%          23.92%

As you can see this most recent sale was the best one for our customers so far!  An average of 23.92% return for a PPT bond that is insured for 0.32 BTC per bond!

Please join us next week for the PPT.E auction.  See the OP for details.  Thanks everyone!

Can you add the standard deviations to the table?

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