Jasinlee - one of XC's "Team Members" is a master fraudster

[organizer]

That's somewhat refreshing to hear. Among Jasin's actions, which one(s) specifically constitute fraud?

I have not read the entire Fibonacci thread. I have read long parts of it (and several other threads) pertaining to when things went wrong.

I am not relying on what Jasin tells me as the truth. I am simply refraining from declaring "scam" upon manifestly insufficient evidence.

In my opinion the reasonable and ethical course of action is to remain in civil (and non-accusatory) communication with Jasin as he resolves the problems.

I cannot see you actions (that is, persistent hounding of him) as anything other than brutally unethical.

You do realize fraud is worse than scam, don't you?

Nah, you just admitted to actually not reading the whole story, even though this has come up in XC threads multiple times. Just a tip, your response many months ago should have been:

"I take all accusations seriously and will be reviewing the entire situation and then discussing it with Dan & the team" and actually done that. But instead you've just chosen this filibuster route without being informed.

My time with you is done...

[synechist]

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Please remove XC from the thread's title, and also the word "scammer" and anything to do with scamming.

Removed scam terminology to be more accurate.

Is jasin a developer for XC?   I choose to leave the OP as accurate and fair as I possibly can.  I will interface with teka if he/she so desires.  You are welcome to carry on your word games with others if they wish to entertain you.

As you might see from the website, Jasin is no longer listed as a team member in an official capacity. So, no.

On the other hand we are regularly in touch with him, he contributes to discussions over Skype, and we continue to have every expectation that his ASIC problems will be resolved in due course.

So please remove the word "XC" from the title. After all, why is there a good reason to target XC here?

[Teka]

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Edit: just realized I did not change the title as you asked.  See if the current one is something you feel is more accurate

This caught my eye: 'The devs claim that all the features that exist in XC that are going to Cachecoin will be redeveloped by Jasin.'

Cache had planned Anon before we were in collab with them. None of their Anon features have anything to do with XC even though they seem similar. Cache will only share POBC with XC and even that plan is in very early stages.

I also would like you to remove any attacks against xc like ' Don't walk but RUN from XC ' .

I'm more than happy for you to even move this thread to scam accusations if you want but I think XC shouldn't be targeted. After all, you claim that the financial loss you suffered was with Jasin not XC so therefore you shouldn't focus on XC.

[synechist]

That's somewhat refreshing to hear. Among Jasin's actions, which one(s) specifically constitute fraud?

I have not read the entire Fibonacci thread. I have read long parts of it (and several other threads) pertaining to when things went wrong.

I am not relying on what Jasin tells me as the truth. I am simply refraining from declaring "scam" upon manifestly insufficient evidence.

In my opinion the reasonable and ethical course of action is to remain in civil (and non-accusatory) communication with Jasin as he resolves the problems.

I cannot see you actions (that is, persistent hounding of him) as anything other than brutally unethical.

You do realize fraud is worse than scam, don't you?

Uh, both are awful.

Nah, you just admitted to actually not reading the whole story, even though this has come up in XC threads multiple times. Just a tip, your response many months ago should have been:

"I take all accusations seriously and will be reviewing the entire situation and then discussing it with Dan & the team" and actually done that. But instead you've just chosen this filibuster route without being informed.

Huh? In what world is it necessary to read the entire Fibonacci thread? I've asserted that I read the bits where things went wrong, that is, the relevant bits.

So I did review the entire situation. Not that I have any sort of executive capacity, and not that I consider myself required to. But I did anyway.

I consider myself well-informed on this topic.

And, being well-informed, I consider your actions brutally unethical.

[organizer]

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Please remove XC from the thread's title, and also the word "scammer" and anything to do with scamming.

Removed scam terminology to be more accurate.

Is jasin a developer for XC?   I choose to leave the OP as accurate and fair as I possibly can.  I will interface with teka if he/she so desires.  You are welcome to carry on your word games with others if they wish to entertain you.

As you might see from the website, Jasin is no longer listed as a team member in an official capacity. So, no.

On the other hand we are regularly in touch with him, he contributes to discussions over Skype, and we continue to have every expectation that his ASIC problems will be resolved in due course.

So please remove the word "XC" from the title. After all, why is there a good reason to target XC here?

Ok, i'm not done...

errhhhhmmmm:

http://xc-official.com/assets/pdfs/14-07-08%20The%20XC%20Team.pdf

And you've also confirmed earlier that he was a part of the team... now you don't want to claim him?

[synechist]

Ok, i'm not done...

errhhhhmmmm:

http://xc-official.com/assets/pdfs/14-07-08%20The%20XC%20Team.pdf

And you've also confirmed earlier that he was a part of the team... now you don't want to claim him?

Umm, old document.

I have stated my view explicitly above.

[adhitthana]

http://xc-official.com/assets/pdfs/14-07-08%20The%20XC%20Team.pdf

And you've also confirmed earlier that he was a part of the team... now you don't want to claim him?

It looks like Jasinlee is not an XC team member. So can you do the decent thing and remove any reference to XC

[rdnkjdi]

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Edit: just realized I did not change the title as you asked.  See if the current one is something you feel is more accurate

This caught my eye: 'The devs claim that all the features that exist in XC that are going to Cachecoin will be redeveloped by Jasin.'

Cache had planned Anon before we were in collab with them. None of their Anon features have anything to do with XC even though they seem similar. Cache will only share POBC with XC and even that plan is in very early stages.

I also would like you to remove any attacks against xc like ' Don't walk but RUN from XC ' .

I'm more than happy for you to even move this thread to scam accusations if you want but I think XC shouldn't be targeted. After all, you claim that the financial loss you suffered was with Jasin not XC so therefore you shouldn't focus on XC.

I will be happy to tie all the dots together on why it is toxic to have someone who has misrepresented the truth over and over again involved in a closed source anon coin project since what seems like and obvious problem to me seems to confuse the XC team.  But my goal is not a scam accusation about asics.  It is a warning about jasins involvement in projects where his ethics will cost investors money.

I did as you requested with the title.  I will rephrase the stuff about him writing fresh anon messaging and currency stuff into another coin.  It does seem like a terrible conflict of interest to me since your investors rely on closed source code Jasin has access to.  

[Viper1]

This thread is entertaining.  Seems like Synechist is the PR person for jasinlee as opposed to XC.  As an outsider, he's done more damage than good here IMO. Frankly, I don't get it as usually businesses/companies etc will distance themselves from people that have controversy swirling around them and yet here they're embracing him.

I'll just put this here and perhaps some people should think about it "Thou doth protest too much".

[synechist]

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Edit: just realized I did not change the title as you asked.  See if the current one is something you feel is more accurate

This caught my eye: 'The devs claim that all the features that exist in XC that are going to Cachecoin will be redeveloped by Jasin.'

Cache had planned Anon before we were in collab with them. None of their Anon features have anything to do with XC even though they seem similar. Cache will only share POBC with XC and even that plan is in very early stages.

I also would like you to remove any attacks against xc like ' Don't walk but RUN from XC ' .

I'm more than happy for you to even move this thread to scam accusations if you want but I think XC shouldn't be targeted. After all, you claim that the financial loss you suffered was with Jasin not XC so therefore you shouldn't focus on XC.

I will be happy to tie all the dots together on why it is toxic to have someone who has misrepresented the truth over and over again involved in a closed source anon coin project.  By my goal is not a scam accusation about asics.  It is a warning about jasins involvement in projects where his ethics will cost investors money.

Perhaps then you should mention all the projects Jasin is associated with, rather than just XC.

But since Jasin has no executive influence over XC's course, since he has no control over the premine, and since he has not created any of XC's current technology, Jasin therefore could not turn XC into a scam/fraud if he tried. Therefore I ask that you remove mention of XC from this thread's title.

[rdnkjdi]

Teka let me know if there is anything else.

[adhitthana]

As you might see from the website, Jasin is no longer listed as a team member in an official capacity. So, no.
On the other hand we are regularly in touch with him, he contributes to discussions over Skype, and we continue to have every expectation that his ASIC problems will be resolved in due course.
So please remove the word "XC" from the title. After all, why is there a good reason to target XC here?

Is Jasinlee an "XC developer"?

[rdnkjdi]

As you might see from the website, Jasin is no longer listed as a team member in an official capacity. So, no.
On the other hand we are regularly in touch with him, he contributes to discussions over Skype, and we continue to have every expectation that his ASIC problems will be resolved in due course.
So please remove the word "XC" from the title. After all, why is there a good reason to target XC here?

Is Jasinlee an "XC developer"?

There is some talk on taking him on full time in the chat thread.  He used to be listed on their website.  I'm getting conflicting messages - before the tail end of this thread the answer was a resounding YES.  It sounds like they may be backing off now

[synechist]

This thread is entertaining.  Seems like Synechist is the PR person for jasinlee as opposed to XC.  As an outsider, he's done more damage than good here IMO. Frankly, I don't get it as usually businesses/companies etc will distance themselves from people that have controversy swirling around them and yet here they're embracing him.

I'll just put this here and perhaps some people should think about it "Thou doth protest too much".

Fair point. You're right that I've done something unorthodox.

My reasons for it are as follows:

- Whether Jasin is officially an XC dev or merely associated with XC, his reputation affects XC. So I can't really separate them much.

- This thread is clearly an attack on XC (cf. the title).

- In my personal capacity I strongly object to scam accusations that lack solid justification.

[rdnkjdi]

This thread is entertaining.  Seems like Synechist is the PR person for jasinlee as opposed to XC.  As an outsider, he's done more damage than good here IMO. Frankly, I don't get it as usually businesses/companies etc will distance themselves from people that have controversy swirling around them and yet here they're embracing him.

I'll just put this here and perhaps some people should think about it "Thou doth protest too much".

Fair point. You're right that I've done something unorthodox.

My reasons for it are as follows:

- Whether Jasin is officially an XC dev or merely associated with XC, his reputation affects XC. So I can't really separate them much.

- This thread is clearly an attack on XC (cf. the title).

- In my personal capacity I strongly object to scam accusations that lack solid justification.

[Teka]

Teka let me know if there is anything else.

If you could include this in the op even as a direct qoute I will be extremely happy:

- You can not guarantee that people will loose many because Jasin is involved ( in a small capacity, chatting on skype currently)
         - Our core community is aware of this situation and has expressed their opinon, none of them have dumped or a dumping because of Jasin.

- He's not in position of power.
         - He has no access to any of the funds like the premine
         - He can't dictate what the team does or who works for XC

- Jasin's involvement with cachecoin was public

- Blockchain 2.0 and POBOC ('Interchains') was public and we released that we will be working with Cache on this
           -Currently this in very very early stages

- Anon features were a part of Cache, we addressed the fact that the implementation was different. We never tried to hide the fact that Cache had Anon features. In fact we even discussed it with members. Although these features seem similar they have nothing to do with XC.

- This means that most people knew about nearly every detail of cache and the collab with XC

- You cannot prove that Jasin is stealing any code. As you said this your gut feeling.
        - None of the current tech published by XC was created by Jasin


Also if you a serious about this put a disclaimer that currently you have published no proof. You might have some, I have no idea if you do but currently you haven't put anything out.

[rdnkjdi]

Teka let me know if there is anything else.

If you could include this in the op even as a direct qoute I will be extremely happy:

- You can not guarantee that people will loose many because Jasin is involved ( in a small capacity, chatting on skype currently)
         - Our core community is aware of this situation and has expressed their opinon, none of them have dumped or a dumping because of Jasin.

- He's not in position of power.
         - He has no access to any of the funds like the premine
         - He can't dictate what the team does or who works for XC

- Jasin's involvement with cachecoin was public

- Blockchain 2.0 and POBOC ('Interchains') was public and we released that we will be working with Cache on this
           -Currently this in very very early stages

- Anon features were a part of Cache, we addressed the fact that the implementation was different. We never tried to hide the fact that Cache had Anon features. In fact we even discussed it with members. Although these features seem similar they have nothing to do with XC.

- This means that most people knew about nearly every detail of cache and the collab with XC

- You cannot prove that Jasin is stealing any code. As you said this your gut feeling.
        - None of the current tech published by XC was created by Jasin


Also if you a serious about this put a disclaimer that currently you have published no proof. You might have some, I have no idea if you do but currently you haven't put anything out.

Fair enough.  I've provided plenty of proof in the raw data frome litecointalk but it sounds like you guys really haven't looked into it much. 

I will post this

[adhitthana]

- Whether Jasin is officially an XC dev

Is Jasinleee and XC developer? Yes or no?

or merely associated with XC,

In what way is he "associated" with XC?
Talking to people in discussions on skype does not make someone "associated" with XC.
Come on...you need to make some unambiguous statements about this. Be clear.

[Teka]

Teka let me know if there is anything else.

If you could include this in the op even as a direct qoute I will be extremely happy:

- You can not guarantee that people will loose many because Jasin is involved ( in a small capacity, chatting on skype currently)
         - Our core community is aware of this situation and has expressed their opinon, none of them have dumped or a dumping because of Jasin.

- He's not in position of power.
         - He has no access to any of the funds like the premine
         - He can't dictate what the team does or who works for XC

- Jasin's involvement with cachecoin was public

- Blockchain 2.0 and POBOC ('Interchains') was public and we released that we will be working with Cache on this
           -Currently this in very very early stages

- Anon features were a part of Cache, we addressed the fact that the implementation was different. We never tried to hide the fact that Cache had Anon features. In fact we even discussed it with members. Although these features seem similar they have nothing to do with XC.

- This means that most people knew about nearly every detail of cache and the collab with XC

- You cannot prove that Jasin is stealing any code. As you said this your gut feeling.
        - None of the current tech published by XC was created by Jasin


Also if you a serious about this put a disclaimer that currently you have published no proof. You might have some, I have no idea if you do but currently you haven't put anything out.

Fair enough.  I've provided plenty of proof in the raw data frome litecointalk but it sounds like you guys really haven't looked into it much. 

I will post this

Sorry its 3am here, I should have mentioned that you need to explain proof. Also proof of order is nearly always vital in these type of threads.

[synechist]

- Whether Jasin is officially an XC dev

Is Jasinleee and XC developer? Yes or no?

or merely associated with XC,

In what way is he "associated" with XC?
Talking to people in discussions on skype does not make someone "associated" with XC.
Come on...you need to make some unambiguous statements about this. Be clear.

As you might see from the website, Jasin is no longer listed as a team member in an official capacity. So, no.

[This does not mean that we are no longer in touch with him.] ...we are regularly in touch with him, he contributes to discussions over Skype, and we continue to have every expectation that his ASIC problems will be resolved in due course.