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December 19, 2014, 03:04:14 PM
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We have gobs of free energy, from the gravity containment hydrogen fusion reactor in the center of our solar system to the molten core of our planet.  Channeling and directing that energy into useful work is where you incur cost.

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December 20, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
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I know this is a science forum and not a forum for conspiracy theorists but I have always been intrigued by the idea of a world where everyone has access to 'free' energy. What impact would it have on the world? Would it solve 99 per cent of all problems?

Actually, you know shit. Energy in the Universe does not evaporate. It goes from one form to another. The fact that we (humans) don't know how to use the infinite energy of the Universe, doesn't mean that there won't be a way for us to USE (not manufacture) free energy.

I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.

What you also need to know is that Tesla invented back in the 1900s a method of wireless electricity transmission. His main financier, however was one of the biggest producers of copper wiring and he stopped his funding.

Of course when there is a matter over trillions of dollars rich people wouldn't just go with new methods of free energy. That would ruin everything for them. In 100 years they will probably "invent" (consider pull ot of a safe) a new way for free energy, but they will still sell it to people, just for 10 times lesser amounts of money than now.

If anyone could produce, sell and distribute their own energy, then the center of power would shift. And power is more addictive than any drug, or money.

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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

No. A dam uses water, not gravity and costs billions. This thing you can make yourself and uses no external fuel or another costly force to run. But it's not surprising that there is lack of funding for this kind of inventions.

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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

No. A dam uses water, not gravity and costs billions. This thing you can make yourself and uses no external fuel or another costly force to run. But it's not surprising that there is lack of funding for this kind of inventions.

So why don't you make it yourself?

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Rudolf Diesel's body was found floating in a river and his invention still required fuel.
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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

No. A dam uses water, not gravity and costs billions. This thing you can make yourself and uses no external fuel or another costly force to run. But it's not surprising that there is lack of funding for this kind of inventions.

You can make a cheaper dam for 200W output, and if the dam's not using gravity then the water wouldn't be there right? I was thinking the dam uses earth .. now you got me confused.

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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

No. A dam uses water, not gravity and costs billions. This thing you can make yourself and uses no external fuel or another costly force to run. But it's not surprising that there is lack of funding for this kind of inventions.

You can make a cheaper dam for 200W output, and if the dam's not using gravity then the water wouldn't be there right? I was thinking the dam uses earth .. now you got me confused.

Not me. There is this guy from romania. He was in the DW news in October. And he made sort of a dynamo ran engine, that used weights. Weights were welded onto metal bars and they were just "free" spinning, based on Earth's magnetic field, creating electrical energy using magnets. Nothing else. And it's an early stage of development.

Here is another invention, that might give you more perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOnYxRcDHU. A Bulgarian guy that lives in Utah.

There is such thing as free energy. It's what drives universe. And people have nothing to do with it. We just have to learn how to master it.


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December 22, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
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In a few years from now, all cars will be powered by Tesla Coils.
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In a few years from now, all cars will be powered by Tesla Coils.

These cars are very expensive at the moment
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December 23, 2014, 02:48:37 AM
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There is this guy from romania. He was in the DW news in October. And he made sort of a dynamo ran engine, that used weights. Weights were welded onto metal bars and they were just "free" spinning, based on Earth's magnetic field, creating electrical energy using magnets. Nothing else. And it's an early stage of development.

Here is another invention, that might give you more perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOnYxRcDHU. A Bulgarian guy that lives in Utah.

There is such thing as free energy. It's what drives universe. And people have nothing to do with it. We just have to learn how to master it.

And again, I ask, why don't you make one of those yourself? Why are there dozens, if not hundreds, of these inventions, and not a single guy shares the technical details or instructions for how to build it, and no two people ever seem to build the same type of device?
And before you say "money," we have crowdfjnding and loans. Raise or borrow some money, build one at home, use it to power your neighbors' houses and charge them for electricity, then use that money to pay back investors or bank. Very easy, but no one in the entire world is doing it. Why?

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December 23, 2014, 02:59:14 AM
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I watched this documentary about a European engineer (I think Romanian) who invented an electrical generator, that uses the Earth graviational field to produce 200W of electricity. All materials used were basic - rotors, weights, dynamos etc.


This is called a dam.  Tongue

No. A dam uses water, not gravity and costs billions. This thing you can make yourself and uses no external fuel or another costly force to run. But it's not surprising that there is lack of funding for this kind of inventions.

Look up gravitational potential energy, how do you think a dam works? Go to school.

Hint
UE -> KE -> e-

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There is this guy from romania. He was in the DW news in October. And he made sort of a dynamo ran engine, that used weights. Weights were welded onto metal bars and they were just "free" spinning, based on Earth's magnetic field, creating electrical energy using magnets. Nothing else. And it's an early stage of development.

Here is another invention, that might give you more perspective - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOnYxRcDHU. A Bulgarian guy that lives in Utah.

There is such thing as free energy. It's what drives universe. And people have nothing to do with it. We just have to learn how to master it.

And again, I ask, why don't you make one of those yourself? Why are there dozens, if not hundreds, of these inventions, and not a single guy shares the technical details or instructions for how to build it, and no two people ever seem to build the same type of device?
And before you say "money," we have crowdfjnding and loans. Raise or borrow some money, build one at home, use it to power your neighbors' houses and charge them for electricity, then use that money to pay back investors or bank. Very easy, but no one in the entire world is doing it. Why?

Again - there is lack of funding of these people. First. Second - read my previous posts. The romanian guy's invention would cost you 1000$ to build yourself, but he needs a finished demo, to be able to patent it.
He wouldn't give you his idea, before he's sure he's going to cash in on it. That's normal. But If you can produce 1kW infinitely for 1000$ I think its way worth it.

Since I am not a physicist I cannot do it myself. But I can build it myself if I had the plan and parts. That's what I meant in my posts.

Arguing that there is no free energy is stupid. Einstein (a very smart man) said that no energy is lost in the Universe, it only shifts from one form to another. If we humans knew how to close that cycle any mean for energy generation would be 100% effective.

However, we are limited as human beings. We think we know everything, and in reality we know squat. If there was no Oil we would be living in the dark ages right now - no electricity, no hot water, no running cars. Don't you think that's pathetic?

I watched an interview with one Kiril Chukanov. He said that he invented a ball lightning electric generator that outputs 10 times more than used electricity, and when turned into the cycle releases to the electric network 3.5 times more electricity than used - so 100kW is turned into 350kW. He also said that the bigger the ball lightning - the larger the output. He said it can be done upto 1,000,000 x and a clear output of 350,000 times more than used - if you input 100kW you would be able to support a whole country, but It will be huge and will cost as much as a Nuclear Power Plant. But it's 100% green and free of fuel payments.

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And again, I ask, why don't you make one of those yourself? Why are there dozens, if not hundreds, of these inventions, and not a single guy shares the technical details or instructions for how to build it, and no two people ever seem to build the same type of device?
And before you say "money," we have crowdfjnding and loans. Raise or borrow some money, build one at home, use it to power your neighbors' houses and charge them for electricity, then use that money to pay back investors or bank. Very easy, but no one in the entire world is doing it. Why?

Again - there is lack of funding of these people. First.

Yes there is! Random people on the internet raised $55,000 for some guy to make a potato salad on Kickstarter. I'm sure they would donate way for than that for something as awesome as a solution to the world's energy problem. Yet no one seems to ever be able to raise any money. It's as if they know that they can't prove their invention works to potential investors.

Second - read my previous posts. The romanian guy's invention would cost you 1000$ to build yourself, but he needs a finished demo, to be able to patent it.

Why doesn't he borrow $1,000, build it himself, use it to power his house, and use the money he saves on not paying for electricity to pay for the patent? Even better, hook his neighbor us, and charge him half of what the power company charges. He'll earn enough to pay off the $1,000 loan and pay for a patent in no time.

And why are all these free energy invention guys such greedy assholes? Every single one of them claims they won't share the technology, because they want to patent it first. Did Satoshi patent bitcoin? Did Linus Trovalds patent Linux? Give the give of free energy to the world, and you will be praised and taken care of for ever. Hell, you'll even win a Nobel Prize, and that's a lot of money. It's as if the patent thing is just an excuse all of these guys use for not explaining how their system works, so they don't have to be held accountable or be xaught lying.



Arguing that there is no free energy is stupid. Einstein (a very smart man) said that no energy is lost in the Universe, it only shifts from one form to another.

Yes. The full quote is "Energy can not be created or destroyed." Energy can only shift from one place to another, or be converted into and out of matter. When you run a motor, or use a conventional energy device, you are shifting energy from coal/wind/gravity/sun/nuclear fission into energy that moves your motor or heats something. When you create a "free energy" device, you are not shifting energy, you are creating energy out of nothing.

If we humans knew how to close that cycle any mean for energy generation would be 100% effective.

It doesn't matter how much knowledge we aquire, generation would never be 100% effective. There is always friction to overcome, even if it's from light glowing on the device, or magnetic fields from surroundings and the planet interfering with motion.

However, we are limited as human beings. We think we know everything, and in reality we know squat

Scientists and physicists who actually know about this stuff (and anyone else who is educated enough) know they don't know everything. That's why their actual job is figuring out things they don't know. People who don't know jack shit make claims like "We think we know everything, " and then add, "in reality we don't know anything" to make themselves seem intellectually superior.

If there was no Oil we would be living in the dark ages right now - no electricity, no hot water, no running cars. Don't you think that's pathetic?

Not sure where your going with this, but most electricity in US is generated from coal. Must of it in Europe and Japan is from nuclear. If there was no oil, chances are we'd be driving electric cars, but I doubt we'd be in the dark ages.


I watched an interview with one Kiril Chukanov. He said that he invented a ball lightning electric generator that outputs 10 times more than used electricity, and when turned into the cycle releases to the electric network 3.5 times more electricity than used - so 100kW is turned into 350kW. He also said that the bigger the ball lightning - the larger the output. He said it can be done upto 1,000,000 x and a clear output of 350,000 times more than used - if you input 100kW you would be able to support a whole country, but It will be huge and will cost as much as a Nuclear Power Plant. But it's 100% green and free of fuel payments.

I watched that interview. Note that everything is based on what he says, nothing is explained, and (this is the most important part) he has to plug it in to get it working, and then turns it off. Why not turn it on, plug it into itself, and just let it run indefinitely?

Asmi pointed put a while ago in this thread, why do all overunity machines have to be started up, and then shut down, instead of being allowed to run under their own power for ever?

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And again, I ask, why don't you make one of those yourself? Why are there dozens, if not hundreds, of these inventions, and not a single guy shares the technical details or instructions for how to build it, and no two people ever seem to build the same type of device?
And before you say "money," we have crowdfjnding and loans. Raise or borrow some money, build one at home, use it to power your neighbors' houses and charge them for electricity, then use that money to pay back investors or bank. Very easy, but no one in the entire world is doing it. Why?

Again - there is lack of funding of these people. First.

Yes there is! Random people on the internet raised $55,000 for some guy to make a potato salad on Kickstarter. I'm sure they would donate way for than that for something as awesome as a solution to the world's energy problem. Yet no one seems to ever be able to raise any money. It's as if they know that they can't prove their invention works to potential investors.

Second - read my previous posts. The romanian guy's invention would cost you 1000$ to build yourself, but he needs a finished demo, to be able to patent it.

Why doesn't he borrow $1,000, build it himself, use it to power his house, and use the money he saves on not paying for electricity to pay for the patent? Even better, hook his neighbor us, and charge him half of what the power company charges. He'll earn enough to pay off the $1,000 loan and pay for a patent in no time.

And why are all these free energy invention guys such greedy assholes? Every single one of them claims they won't share the technology, because they want to patent it first. Did Satoshi patent bitcoin? Did Linus Trovalds patent Linux? Give the give of free energy to the world, and you will be praised and taken care of for ever. Hell, you'll even win a Nobel Prize, and that's a lot of money. It's as if the patent thing is just an excuse all of these guys use for not explaining how their system works, so they don't have to be held accountable or be xaught lying.



Arguing that there is no free energy is stupid. Einstein (a very smart man) said that no energy is lost in the Universe, it only shifts from one form to another.

Yes. The full quote is "Energy can not be created or destroyed." Energy can only shift from one place to another, or be converted into and out of matter. When you run a motor, or use a conventional energy device, you are shifting energy from coal/wind/gravity/sun/nuclear fission into energy that moves your motor or heats something. When you create a "free energy" device, you are not shifting energy, you are creating energy out of nothing.

If we humans knew how to close that cycle any mean for energy generation would be 100% effective.

It doesn't matter how much knowledge we aquire, generation would never be 100% effective. There is always friction to overcome, even if it's from light glowing on the device, or magnetic fields from surroundings and the planet interfering with motion.

However, we are limited as human beings. We think we know everything, and in reality we know squat

Scientists and physicists who actually know about this stuff (and anyone else who is educated enough) know they don't know everything. That's why their actual job is figuring out things they don't know. People who don't know jack shit make claims like "We think we know everything, " and then add, "in reality we don't know anything" to make themselves seem intellectually superior.

If there was no Oil we would be living in the dark ages right now - no electricity, no hot water, no running cars. Don't you think that's pathetic?

Not sure where your going with this, but most electricity in US is generated from coal. Must of it in Europe and Japan is from nuclear. If there was no oil, chances are we'd be driving electric cars, but I doubt we'd be in the dark ages.


I watched an interview with one Kiril Chukanov. He said that he invented a ball lightning electric generator that outputs 10 times more than used electricity, and when turned into the cycle releases to the electric network 3.5 times more electricity than used - so 100kW is turned into 350kW. He also said that the bigger the ball lightning - the larger the output. He said it can be done upto 1,000,000 x and a clear output of 350,000 times more than used - if you input 100kW you would be able to support a whole country, but It will be huge and will cost as much as a Nuclear Power Plant. But it's 100% green and free of fuel payments.

I watched that interview. Note that everything is based on what he says, nothing is explained, and (this is the most important part) he has to plug it in to get it working, and then turns it off. Why not turn it on, plug it into itself, and just let it run indefinitely?

Asmi pointed put a while ago in this thread, why do all overunity machines have to be started up, and then shut down, instead of being allowed to run under their own power for ever?

Making a prototype would take much time and money. 1000$ would be if you already know what to do.

And the guy from Utah already has funding. He is building a prototype in Canada for an Oil company. He received millions, but needs billions to create a market applicable machine. Physics is not simple you know. It's delicate. Also dangerous he works with pressures of up to 100G. That's why you can't do it in your home. You need a lab and team of scientists to do that successfully.

Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. He said that it needs power to start. But a part of the produced power would go for powering the unit. That's the tricky part. How to conserve the produced power while unit is off. Of course he will not reveal his full idea on youtube. Someone would steal it. Oldest trick in human character.

Do you really think that the Universe runs on Oil and electricity, and that there is no free energy running it? Who does then? The Uber Space People?

Its obvious that the Universe does not need an engine to run for billions of years. It's just that our tiny brains are incapable of dealing with it.

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Just get a lot of hamsters and wheels.

Magic happens.

Boom profit.
How's the saying go?

Gas, grass, or ass?

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highly recommend to get familiar with the following:
http://youtu.be/gcD1h9DYitg

humanity had access to unlimited energy. we lost it but knowledge of it is kept to this day by very few. tesla reinvented that knowledge but he was brutally scilenced..

there is a project underway to develop a new prototype of tesla tower in russia:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-build-a-planetary-energy-transmitter

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" Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature. "

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Making a prototype would take much time and money. 1000$ would be if you already know what to do.

But all these guts are already claiming they know what to do. They have prototypes that they claim create free energy. So why did you bring up?

And the guy from Utah already has funding. He is building a prototype in Canada for an Oil company. He received millions, but needs billions to create a market applicable machine.

It costs $5,000 at most to patent it, at which point you can explain it publicly and not sorry about it being stolen. It probably costs much less than millions to create a small scale working model that you can use to prove it works, and let others test with. Why is money always an excuse with these guys, even if they have millions?

Physics is not simple you know. It's delicate.

I know. I have an engineering background as well, in electromechanical engineering, dealing in linear motors and magnetic levitation. I also own patents and have been through the process of getting them, and have had to design and build my own models. I'm calling bullshit on all these things because I know how this stuff works.

Also dangerous he works with pressures of up to 100G. That's why you can't do it in your home. You need a lab and team of scientists to do that successfully.

What does danger have to do with proving whether it works? And what do you mean by 100G? The only way to get that kind of force is through centripetal motion, like on a spinning fly wheel. 100G is also not that dangerous if you use light materials or small scale. As for the lab, if he needs a lab and scientists to make this device to test it, then how does he even know it works? The only way would be to have some mathematical modeling engineering calculations. Should be easy to check and verify those.

That's how the MAGLEV patent I own is. Due to physics limitation, I can't build it too small scale, and the smallest scale possible would cost $170k, which is money I don't have. BUT, every piece of the invention is precisely mathematically calculated, using standard physics formulas, to every tiny detail, and can be checked and verified completely as a math model. Which it has been. You can calculate all the levitation forces, and prove that it works, without actually building it. That's how true engineers design stuff. Not this garage tinkering, hoping to accidentally guess something that will work without knowing how or why.

Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing.

I'm arguing for the sake of pointing out that these guys are liars and charlatans at worst, and complete idiots at best. Sadly, the vast majority of them are lying scumbags.

He said that it needs power to start. But a part of the produced power would go for powering the unit. That's the tricky part. How to conserve the produced power while unit is off.

My question, if you remember, is why does it need to be off? Let it use the extra energy it produces to power itself, and never turn it off. Problem of conserving produced power solved. But not a single one of these drives has ever been able to power itself indefinitely. Why don't you find that suspicious?


Of course he will not reveal his full idea on youtube. Someone would steal it. Oldest trick in human character.

Also, oldest trick for these liars. Spend $3000 to $5000 to patent it, and no one will steal it. Better yet, give it to the world for free. People will give him a lot of money and praise anyway.

Do you really think that the Universe runs on Oil and electricity, and that there is no free energy running it?

The universe runs on fusion, and there is no free energy in it. Stars enevtually fuse all the fuel they can, and die off. Planets and other orbiting things eventually slow down from friction, and fall into the star, assuming the star doesn't burn out and explode first. Everything in the universe is using up energy, not creating it.

Its obvious that the Universe does not need an engine to run for billions of years. It's just that our tiny brains are incapable of dealing with it.

Maybe yours is, but mine isn't. As I said, stop pretending that we are all nt smart enough, thus maybe things are true after al. Some of us ARE smart enough to know better. The universe engine that has been running for billions of years is loosing pass and burning up energy. There's a good change it will use all that energy up and stop after many more billion years. Or collapse back in on itself.

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