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June 30, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
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Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

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June 30, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
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June 30, 2012, 04:36:47 PM
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Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.
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June 30, 2012, 04:40:47 PM
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Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.


OK. I understand.

Just clarify this for me : from now on, nobody gets scammer tagged anymore ever ?

No, people are still getting scammer tags. There's always clear cut cases which don't take much work, or people dumb enough to admit to what they did, etc. Cases that aren't so clear, like several of the ones you've mentioned will likely sit in the pile until a better solution comes along. Like I said, feel free to do it yourself if you think they need a tag.

Anyway, back to ignoring this thread. Thank god for the new watchlist, I never have to see this thread again.   Grin

I see ...

How can I see the evidence in my case against me ?

Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Well I'm not going to repost private communications, but if you ask theymos I'm sure he'll show you, it's only fair.


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June 30, 2012, 04:42:14 PM
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Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.

Only admins can see IPs, and that's the way it should be. The majority of the time they are using proxies anyway so it doesn't help much.

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June 30, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
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Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.

Don't know where you got that idea, but no, I can't access IP logs. Also, I accepted the job mainly to combat spammers, not scammers.

Scammers I prefer to just make their life miserable, altho lately I haven't done it much.

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June 30, 2012, 04:47:07 PM
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But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?

Moderators don't have access to this stuff, either.

So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64012.msg776457#msg776457

Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?
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June 30, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
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But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?

Moderators don't have access to this stuff, either.

So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64012.msg776457#msg776457

Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?

Maybe one of the admins told him? theymos or Gavin?

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June 30, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
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Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?

If we have suspicions we ask theymos, he'll usually confirm/deny at least. We don't have access to IPs.

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June 30, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
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Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?

If we have suspicions we ask theymos, he'll usually confirm/deny at least. We don't have access to IPs.

Thank you for clarifications.

One thing this forum needs is a little bit more transparency Wink
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July 01, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
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So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64012.msg776457#msg776457

Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?
When I'm the one who does all the work to request a checkuser, theymos has been nice enough to not take my thunder by posting the response himself (I wouldn't mind if he did, since he's the one who has to look it up, but it does make it more clear who is handling the case). Most of the time, I have to wait several hours for that information, which is why it takes so long to appear.

I am more than happy to train anyone in doing a scammer investigation, just contact me. To make things easier for me, have a specific case in mind before asking me to train you, since I don't want to train people who'll never use the information. Plus, practical on-the-job training is so much better, anyway. And don't get confused, it is a job. It's insane what goes on behind the scenes...

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July 01, 2012, 09:50:55 PM
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So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64012.msg776457#msg776457

Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?
When I'm the one who does all the work to request a checkuser, theymos has been nice enough to not take my thunder by posting the response himself (I wouldn't mind if he did, since he's the one who has to look it up, but it does make it more clear who is handling the case). Most of the time, I have to wait several hours for that information, which is why it takes so long to appear.

I am more than happy to train anyone in doing a scammer investigation, just contact me. To make things easier for me, have a specific case in mind before asking me to train you, since I don't want to train people who'll never use the information. Plus, practical on-the-job training is so much better, anyway. And don't get confused, it is a job. It's insane what goes on behind the scenes...

Scammer catching scammers ... well I'll be damned Wink

Cheesy

I will contact Raize soonish ...
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July 02, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
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WOW what has the world come to

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July 16, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?

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July 16, 2012, 11:01:12 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula
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July 18, 2012, 09:35:17 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula

How about I refund when Bitcoinica and other scammers refund too ?

Very funny indeed !

No tag either ...
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July 18, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula

How about I refund when Bitcoinica and other scammers refund too ?

Very funny indeed !

No tag either ...

You're not a scammer. I don't know why you have a scammer tag.

You're a douchebag and a thief though.

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July 18, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula

How about I refund when Bitcoinica and other scammers refund too ?

Very funny indeed !

No tag either ...

You're not a scammer. I don't know why you have a scammer tag.

You're a douchebag and a thief though.

Just wait till I gets hacked by the invisible man too then we will all be laughing our socks off.

25 BTC still there it seems ...
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July 18, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula

How about I refund when Bitcoinica and other scammers refund too ?

Very funny indeed !

No tag either ...

You're not a scammer. I don't know why you have a scammer tag.

You're a douchebag and a thief though.

Just wait till I gets hacked by the invisible man too then we will all be laughing our socks off.

25 BTC still there it seems ...

What a coincidence, the scammer tag is still there too.  Smiley

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July 18, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
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Did you refund that guy yet bulanula?
bulanula didn't do anything wrong, according to bulanula

How about I refund when Bitcoinica and other scammers refund too ?

Very funny indeed !

No tag either ...

You're not a scammer. I don't know why you have a scammer tag.

You're a douchebag and a thief though.

Just wait till I gets hacked by the invisible man too then we will all be laughing our socks off.

25 BTC still there it seems ...

What a coincidence, the scammer tag is still there too.  Smiley

So are they getting the tag or not ?

Seems like a scam to me.

Just look on Interscamgo and see the highly inflated bid prices there.

Buying BTC at 6.2 GBP ( 9.7 USD almost ) when Gox rate is 8.8 ?

Looks like they are trying to play on the greedy sellers and pull a "got hacked bro" excuse there too leaving with all the BTC they stole with these high bids as the GBP is non existent and will never make its way to seller's bank accounts I predict.

I would not trust those guys with a penny now.

Seems like a easy plan to steal as much BTC as possible then take off into the sunset ...
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