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September 19, 2014, 07:21:35 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

In the quote he is talking about encryption.  

In your response you are talking about anonymity.  

On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..."

Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things?  Where is the contradiction?


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* I have found very specific exploits in CN that have not been fixed that would be successful on XMR. Most are what I call annoyance attacks, that would be fixed and the coin would probably survive, but one is a coin killer. In XMR there exist a flaw involving the keyrings that under the right conditions will allow an attacker to steal your wallets and hijack your addresses. To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed. These exploits are why two top exchanges who have asked for my opinion have not added XMR.


2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.

This comment is in response to some other forum members questions and accusations.  Im not sure if it is in direct response to the original post.
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September 19, 2014, 07:29:01 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

In the quote he is talking about encryption.  

In your response you are talking about anonymity.  

On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..."

Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things?  Where is the contradiction?

The anonymity is expressed in the whitepaper - if anonymity has to be sacrificed then it would be because the maths / crypto in the whitepaper is wrong.

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September 19, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

In the quote he is talking about encryption.  

In your response you are talking about anonymity.  

On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..."

Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things?  Where is the contradiction?

The anonymity is expressed in the whitepaper - if anonymity has to be sacrificed then it would be because the maths / crypto in the whitepaper is wrong.

Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.
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September 19, 2014, 07:36:05 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

In the quote he is talking about encryption.  

In your response you are talking about anonymity.  

On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..."

Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things?  Where is the contradiction?

The anonymity is expressed in the whitepaper - if anonymity has to be sacrificed then it would be because the maths / crypto in the whitepaper is wrong.

Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

I think the answer to your question in bold is no, here the anonymity and encryption are not two different things.
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September 19, 2014, 07:43:16 PM
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I think the answer to your question in bold is no, here the anonymity and encryption are not two different things.

You think...  Not good enough.  Fluffpony basically ignored the questions.  Can we have someone that knows what they are talking about respond please.
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September 19, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
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I think the answer to your question in bold is no, here the anonymity and encryption are not two different things.

You think...  Not good enough.  Fluffpony basically ignored the questions.  Can we have someone that knows what they are talking about respond please.

I'd hazard that he misspoke when he said encryption, and he meant "cryptography" instead. Otherwise it makes no sense - there's a keyring flaw and we have to sacrifice anonymity, but the breakdown is not in the encryption but in the implementation thereof? Confused.

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September 19, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
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Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

Lol.  Whales are not pumping anything.
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September 19, 2014, 08:24:41 PM
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Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

Lol.  Whales are not pumping anything.

Really?  What do you call 100 btc in additional walls showing up.  Pushing monero over 389k, walls being removed and getting dumped back to 360k.  Over 100btc were bought and sold within about an hour.  Sounds like a suckers pump and dump to me.
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September 19, 2014, 08:26:27 PM
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Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

Lol.  Whales are not pumping anything.

Leave kuriso alone.  He has one thing in life - his obsession with XMR and Risto

Kuriso has two things in life, his obsessions with XMR, Risto, and delusions of authority.

Among kuriso's many obsessions are XMR, Risto, and his own deluded sense of authority.

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September 19, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.


@gmaxwell

Your position as a Bitcoin Core Developer affords you certain levels of protection and suffice it to say, if you were just an average user on this forum my words and actions would not be chosen as carefully. Can you explain why you call "Bullshit".


~BCX~


** I deleted the previous post due to a better response.



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September 19, 2014, 08:40:36 PM
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2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.


@gmaxwell

Your position as a Bitcoin Core Developer affords you certain levels of protection and suffice it to say, if you were just an average user on this forum my words and actions would not be chosen as carefully.


Can you explain why you call "Bullshit" and would you be willing to stand firm on your assessment with a live chain demonstration?


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** I deleted the previous post due to a more civil response.

When will you delete this post due to hollow threats?

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September 19, 2014, 08:48:26 PM
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Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

Lol.  Whales are not pumping anything.

Leave kuriso alone.  He has one thing in life - his obsession with XMR and Risto

Kuriso has two things in life, his obsessions with XMR, Risto, and delusions of authority.

Among kuriso's many obsessions are XMR, Risto, and his own deluded sense of authority.

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September 19, 2014, 08:52:51 PM
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I am just trying to ascertain the level he is certain of his statement. That's all.

GM's words are entirely clear; there was no equivocating, hedging, or ambiguity. 

He said you don't know WTF you are talking about and are FOS.  No vacillating 'maybes' or 'conditional ifs' about it.

I think there was a tone of 'Put up or STFU' as well, but may be reading too much into it.


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September 19, 2014, 09:00:45 PM
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Just post the exploits.

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September 19, 2014, 09:02:52 PM
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Just post the exploits.

Yes.  Post em so we can all be done with this and I can finally stop checking the price every 5 minutes.
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I give shit about the nerd fight between GMX and BCX - I want them to compete in a power lift competition!

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September 19, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
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Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

Lol.  Whales are not pumping anything.

Really?  What do you call 100 btc in additional walls showing up.  Pushing monero over 389k, walls being removed and getting dumped back to 360k.  Over 100btc were bought and sold within about an hour.  Sounds like a suckers pump and dump to me.

Everyone will try to buy Monero as cheap as possible. And sell as high as possible.

You said will be worth on 31.12.2015  0.01 USD, but you have no guts to bet even 1 penny on it.


But since you know, then you exactly know when to buy.   Grin


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September 19, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
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Guys if you seriously even bother discussing the matter with BitcoinEXpress I'm laughing my ass off.

It has been confirmed so many times now that there is *No Exploit* and there has been *No Exploit*, the only matter of fact is that BCX made it all up and is entirely debunked now.

I repeat, for all those that still respected BCX for some reason (totally incomprehensible) have now all the reasons in the world to realize that he's just Mr. Fat Mouth without anything behind his claims whatsoever.

What a fucking fail, BCX. You fail on all levels, the only thing you might have succeeded in is the crash you initiated to buy in Monero as low as possible. Congratulations for being the #1 fail in the crypto world, BCX. Thanks for entertaining us by being an utter asshat.

Time to carry on, Monero doesn't need all of this BCX-wannabe-FUD waste of time...

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Guys if you seriously even bother discussing the matter with BitcoinEXpress I'm laughing my ass off.

It has been confirmed so many times now that there is *No Exploit* and there has been *No Exploit*, the only matter of fact is that BCX made it all up and is entirely debunked now.

I repeat, for all those that still respected BCX for some reason (totally incomprehensible) have now all the reasons in the world to realize that he's just Mr. Fat Mouth without anything behind his claims whatsoever.

What a fucking fail, BCX. You fail on all levels, the only thing you might have succeeded in is the crash you initiated to buy in Monero as low as possible. Congratulations for being the #1 fail in the crypto world, BCX. Thanks for entertaining us by being an utter asshat.

Time to carry on, Monero doesn't need all of this BCX-wannabe-FUD waste of time...



I think this guy is unstable.
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PUT UP OR SHUT UP.  Kiss

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