Do You Believe The Bible To Be Historically Accurate?

[noviapriani]

Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

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[pedrog]

Well, there's a global flood in there, I think this is enough to say it is not accurate...

[Dafar]

Is the story about Noah's ark in the bible?  then clearly no

[jbrnt]

I am not religious so whether it is accurate of not, it makes no difference to me. The bible is a collection of stories teaching christian ways, it is not a history text book.

[Decksperiment]

How can it be?

When I was young I thought there was only one bible. Then I heard of the King James bible.. then I read of at least 10 more remix's of the same tune, not one of them has an accurate date.

[sana8410]

Someone might believe the Bible is historically accurate, but it does not matter to them, or believe it it is not historically accruate, but it does matter to them - but there is nothing to select for that.

[sana8410]

I am not religious so whether it is accurate of not, it makes no difference to me. The bible is a collection of stories teaching christian ways, it is not a history text book.

Anway, for me:
Yes, not only is it accurate, but its value is dependent on its accuracy.  The whole thing rises and falls on whether or not the physical death and resurrection of Jesus is historically true - it is the center, the foundation, of the Christian faith.

if the Bible is not historically accurate, then the faith is worthless.


Now, interestingly, there are those who believe the Bible is historically accurate, but, dont care.  They have no interest in acting on its message.

[commandrix]

I generally concede the fact idea Moses, David (from the David and Goliath story) and Jesus could have been real historical people, but it's like the Hercules myth. Hercules could have been a genuine strong man, but many of the stories about him got exaggerated and Hercules himself could have done some of the exaggerating for the sake of a good story. The good stories get repeated around campfires with maybe some of the details changed by people who didn't quite remember what originally happened or want to embellish things.

[Decksperiment]

I am not religious so whether it is accurate of not, it makes no difference to me. The bible is a collection of stories teaching christian ways, it is not a history text book.

Anway, for me:
Yes, not only is it accurate, but its value is dependent on its accuracy.  The whole thing rises and falls on whether or not the physical death and resurrection of Jesus is historically true - it is the center, the foundation, of the Christian faith.

if the Bible is not historically accurate, then the faith is worthless.


Now, interestingly, there are those who believe the Bible is historically accurate, but, dont care.  They have no interest in acting on its message.

To quote this: if the Bible is not historically accurate, then the faith is worthless.

Hence I need facts Now if the bible had facts that could prove whatever it's claims are regarding the beginning, I'd be all ears..

[commandrix]

I am not religious so whether it is accurate of not, it makes no difference to me. The bible is a collection of stories teaching christian ways, it is not a history text book.

Anway, for me:
Yes, not only is it accurate, but its value is dependent on its accuracy.  The whole thing rises and falls on whether or not the physical death and resurrection of Jesus is historically true - it is the center, the foundation, of the Christian faith.

if the Bible is not historically accurate, then the faith is worthless.


Now, interestingly, there are those who believe the Bible is historically accurate, but, dont care.  They have no interest in acting on its message.

To quote this: if the Bible is not historically accurate, then the faith is worthless.

Hence I need facts Now if the bible had facts that could prove whatever it's claims are regarding the beginning, I'd be all ears..

Well, as Ken Ham has been known to say, "We have a BOOK!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yQEG7mlTU

(And yes, I am being sarcastic.)

[Rigon]

Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

The bible can't even get the value of pi right.  A circle with a diameter of 10 does not have a circumference of 30.

The earth rotates around its own axis and also performs a circuit around the sun so the position of the sun in the sky could not stop for a few hours as per the biblical story.

[dank]

The events, the people, Jesus, the crucifixion, eternal life, performing miracles, all true.

Of course the catholic church modified it so people worship them instead of god.  The basis is true, that which is love.

[Rigon]

Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.

[Mr.Bitty]

Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.

I'm guessing......The hard part was figuring out what a "cubit" was....?

[BCwinning]

not only is it inaccurate, most of if not all of the stories are older stories that have been retold to
suit their views. Global flood, thousands of years older than the bible makes you believe.
Moses? Possibly an egyptians pharohs son. Judaism = Worship of Volcanic god.
The rabbit hole is deep, if you look you will find more than what you wanted to know.
plus I think most of us could agree that humans are older than 6000 years old ...

[Decksperiment]

Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

The bible can't even get the value of pi right.  A circle with a diameter of 10 does not have a circumference of 30.

The earth rotates around its own axis and also performs a circuit around the sun so the position of the sun in the sky could not stop for a few hours as per the biblical story.

Pi is a mathematical creation that came after the bible, no-one used it, no-one heard of it until it was invented whenever.. pi is not scientific fact, it is a measurement, that clearly does not recognise the missing constellation or 10 degree's of missing time-space, that whilst it is clearly there, has been erased. Pi was created to hide the 13th constellation and the space it takes up, including the circle having an actual circumference of 370 degree's, so go remix all your maths from pi into this FACT that pi cannot take part in.

Pi is a fuckin joke on mathematicians. Thats why it works for them.

[Rigon]

Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.

I'm guessing......The hard part was figuring out what a "cubit" was....?

nah, a cubit is usually given the figure of 0.45m so the figure is height of Mt Everest plus 4.5metres.The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.

[noviapriani]

Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.

I'm guessing......The hard part was figuring out what a "cubit" was....?

nah, a cubit is usually given the figure of 0.45m so the figure is height of Mt Everest plus 4.5metres.The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.

A cubit was the length between the tip of the middle finger to the elbow of the current ............ Ruler (King) at the time.

The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.

Why would you bother?  It's just a myth.Have you figured-out how Noah got all those animals on the Ark?Now THAT would be something!

[Rigon]

Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.

I'm guessing......The hard part was figuring out what a "cubit" was....?

nah, a cubit is usually given the figure of 0.45m so the figure is height of Mt Everest plus 4.5metres.The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.

A cubit was the length between the tip of the middle finger to the elbow of the current ............ Ruler (King) at the time.

The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.

Why would you bother?  It's just a myth.Have you figured-out how Noah got all those animals on the Ark?Now THAT would be something!

It would be as interesting to do that as to find out how the ark did not break up due to movement of the timbers. I know it was special wood god created then, after the flood made extinct but .......

[zolace]

Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

The bible can't even get the value of pi right.  A circle with a diameter of 10 does not have a circumference of 30.

The earth rotates around its own axis and also performs a circuit around the sun so the position of the sun in the sky could not stop for a few hours as per the biblical story.

That was answered for you in the old FSA.  Good answer, but,  you did not like it because it undermined what you thought was a good reason for thinking the Bible inaccurate.

Tell you what - why don't you post here the passage, if you think you really have a case, and we can examine it together.  We can do that for each objection, one at a time.

[Rigon]

I Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

II Chron 4:2 Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

[zolace]

I Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

II Chron 4:2 Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Ok, so it does not tell us if they were measuring from inside or outside the brim (which would have a thickness).  Do you know anywhere where it might?

If the brim has some thickness (and would it not?), why do you assume that these folks (which engineered such interesting feats such as tunnel under Hezekiah) would get something this simple wrong?

[Rigon]

I see, so the inside of the brim was the measurement of the diameter but the outside of said brim was the measurement of the circumference?

Why the change?  And why was this difference exactly equal to pi?

[Decksperiment]

The change was to introduce pi once it was invented.. just to make everything appear to fit..

As for molten sea from brim to brim, molten is hot and melted whatever.. I'll use lava as an example, being molten rock.

[zolace]

I see, so the inside of the brim was the measurement of the diameter but the outside of said brim was the measurement of the circumference?

Why the change?  And why was this difference exactly equal to pi?

Why not?  Why do people in my wife's country do things one way, and us another?

Why do women do things one way (often) and men another.

Not knowing does not mean having to put the worse spin on this - especially one that makes no sense (given again that these folks - Jews and their neighbors - engineered some pretty cool stuff).

[JLynn171]

I believe the New Testament has a clearer depiction of history than the old testament...

[Rigon]

I see, so the inside of the brim was the measurement of the diameter but the outside of said brim was the measurement of the circumference?

Why the change?  And why was this difference exactly equal to pi?

Why not?  Why do people in my wife's country do things one way, and us another?

Why do women do things one way (often) and men another.

Not knowing does not mean having to put the worse spin on this - especially one that makes no sense (given again that these folks - Jews and their neighbors - engineered some pretty cool stuff).

Does lying on behalf of god make you feel powerful?

I have asked questions concerning the sun stopping in the sky.  You reply god can do anything.

What sorts of things would god have to do to achieve this?

[Decksperiment]

I see, so the inside of the brim was the measurement of the diameter but the outside of said brim was the measurement of the circumference?

Why the change?  And why was this difference exactly equal to pi?

Why not?  Why do people in my wife's country do things one way, and us another?

Why do women do things one way (often) and men another.

Not knowing does not mean having to put the worse spin on this - especially one that makes no sense (given again that these folks - Jews and their neighbors - engineered some pretty cool stuff).

Does lying on behalf of god make you feel powerful?

I have asked questions concerning the sun stopping in the sky.  You reply god can do anything.

What sorts of things would god have to do to achieve this?

Sit a short distance from a big hill, with a hill in the backround behind it to the right. As the sun set's, and sit's in the kappa valley (where the image of both hills appear as one where they meet) it does so for an hour against all scientific knowledge. Nothing more than an optical illusion of light

We could be more elaborate, and point out that on the 22nd of december, the sun is at it's lowest point, and stays there for three days, then starts to rise again on christmas day, in effect, the sun 'stops' just below the horizon, every year, before it rises again for next summer. In effect, Jesus is reborn, welcome to the TRUTH.

[iluvbitcoins]

of course not

the bible is a book which tries to teach people on how to act

not to represent things that really happened

[Rigon]

The earth spins and rotates around the sun.  The bible rather suggests that the sun moved across the sky daily which we know does not happen. (unless you are saying that god changed these matters since the events described?)  Now the spinning of the earth entails certain physical phenomena.  The sudden stop of the rotation would mean the contents of the earth would keep moving.  This would have to be taken care of by god.  Especially water in the seas and lakes.  (This came after the flood).

[Decksperiment]

of course not

the bible is a book which tries to teach people on how to act

not to represent things that really happened

I can get with the morality, but when will the likes of BADecker realise, that continually spoutin shite from the bible is moraly wrong and offensive?

[maurya78]

It's obviously not strictly true, part allegorical, part moral treatise part history
If you have faith, all else does not matter

[noviapriani]

The earth spins and rotates around the sun.  The bible rather suggests that the sun moved across the sky daily which we know does not happen. (unless you are saying that god changed these matters since the events described?)  Now the spinning of the earth entails certain physical phenomena.  The sudden stop of the rotation would mean the contents of the earth would keep moving.  This would have to be taken care of by god.  Especially water in the seas and lakes.  (This came after the flood).

Actually the Earth rotates on it's axis, and orbits the Sun in an elliptical orbit.Please, Rigon!  You need not further confuse Zolace. He has enough on his plate as it is!

[virtapayseller666]

10 Reasons to Believe In The Bible

• Its Honesty
  Its Preservation
  Its Claims For Itself
  Its Miracles
  Its Unity
  Its Historical And Geographical Accuracy
  Its Endorsement By Christ
  Its Prophetic Accuracy
  Its Survival
  Its Power To Change Lives
  You’re Not Alone

[iluvbitcoins]

of course not

the bible is a book which tries to teach people on how to act

not to represent things that really happened

I can get with the morality, but when will the likes of BADecker realise, that continually spoutin shite from the bible is moraly wrong and offensive?

don't really know

we're just going to have to accept that a lot of people aren't smart enough to realise the bible isn't a history book

it's a disability

btw I think this is more for politcs&society

the OP should move it there

[Rigon]

The earth spins and rotates around the sun.  The bible rather suggests that the sun moved across the sky daily which we know does not happen. (unless you are saying that god changed these matters since the events described?)  Now the spinning of the earth entails certain physical phenomena.  The sudden stop of the rotation would mean the contents of the earth would keep moving.  This would have to be taken care of by god.  Especially water in the seas and lakes.  (This came after the flood).

Actually the Earth rotates on it's axis, and orbits the Sun in an elliptical orbit.Please, Rigon!  You need not further confuse Zolace. He has enough on his plate as it is!

I plead guilty to using the term spin when I should have used "rotates on its own axis - with degrees of wobble)"

I feel I might give something to Zolace that agrees with his odd beliefs.

   http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i31/31b00601.htm

[zolace]

I see, so the inside of the brim was the measurement of the diameter but the outside of said brim was the measurement of the circumference?

Why the change?  And why was this difference exactly equal to pi?

Why not?  Why do people in my wife's country do things one way, and us another?

Why do women do things one way (often) and men another.

Not knowing does not mean having to put the worse spin on this - especially one that makes no sense (given again that these folks - Jews and their neighbors - engineered some pretty cool stuff).

Does lying on behalf of god make you feel powerful?

I have asked questions concerning the sun stopping in the sky.  You reply god can do anything.

What sorts of things would god have to do to achieve this?

what part of All Powerful, all wise Creator do you not understand.

Your objection is like that of a kid who cannot understand how an adult does what he does.  And that to explain to the kid, it would be beyond his understanding.

[zolace]

There are things many of us adults cannot understand, that some adults can do.  Do you understand how to put together a Cray computer?

And, we are all dust before Him who created the World by his Word.  It really is a silly objection, if one thinks about it.

[pr0d1gy]

These types of questions...

[(oYo)]

Do you believe  Dr. Seuss' "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

I fixed your typos for you. You're welcome.

Oh, and no, it doesn't matter to me. I still like the story. 

[ziiiggy]

No... I do not believe that its historically accurate.

[BADecker]

The only way the Bible is accurate is when God talks to each person individually. No two people understand a thing exactly the same. Bible accuracy may/might be very different person to person.

[noviapriani]

Do you believe  Dr. Seuss' "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

I fixed your typos for you. You're welcome.

Oh, and no, it doesn't matter to me. I still like the story. 

Thanks!   

[sana8410]

There are things many of us adults cannot understand, that some adults can do.  Do you understand how to put together a Cray computer?

And, we are all dust before Him who created the World by his Word.  It really is a silly objection, if one thinks about it.

And so is your objection to the objection! Zolace's way of explaining inexplicable things is to say "because" and he expects this to be seen as adequate.

Which indicates he is deluded.

[noviapriani]

There are things many of us adults cannot understand, that some adults can do.  Do you understand how to put together a Cray computer?

And, we are all dust before Him who created the World by his Word.  It really is a silly objection, if one thinks about it.

And so is your objection to the objection! Zolace's way of explaining inexplicable things is to say "because" and he expects this to be seen as adequate.

Which indicates he is deluded.

What else could you expect from someone who, when presented with facts as to the errors and other discrepancies in the bible, clamps his hands over his ears and screams, "Is Not!", and believes it's a valid argument?

[zolace]

Maybe we can start with some common ground.

If there is a Creator (premise, that is all, don't get hung up here), who brought all the universe into being (however it was done), such a Being would be beyond us in comprehension in some areas at least, true?

[zolace]

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.



Well, that was a nice exchange of Bible verses.  Now, back to the question.  If there are even humans whose thinking is beyond many of us, how much more so the Creator.  True?

[Rigon]

Maybe we can start with some common ground.

If there is a Creator (premise, that is all, don't get hung up here), who brought all the universe into being (however it was done), such a Being would be beyond us in comprehension in some areas at least, true?

Your definition is going to be as plastic as possible to avoid getting specific. or even worse the idea will be so simplistic as to suggest that if anyone knows some data that I dont, it proves there is thinking that is beyond mine. I have no intention of playing such ring around the rosie games!

So to make things easier

If you think there is thinking that is beyond my thinking, then it would be helpful if you stated what that thinking is.

Otherwise my experience says no there is no one capable of thinking better than I think!

[zolace]

Maybe we can start with some common ground.

If there is a Creator (premise, that is all, don't get hung up here), who brought all the universe into being (however it was done), such a Being would be beyond us in comprehension in some areas at least, true?

Your definition is going to be as plastic as possible to avoid getting specific. or even worse the idea will be so simplistic as to suggest that if anyone knows some data that I dont, it proves there is thinking that is beyond mine. I have no intention of playing such ring around the rosie games!

So to make things easier

If you think there is thinking that is beyond my thinking, then it would be helpful if you stated what that thinking is.

Otherwise my experience says no there is no one capable of thinking better than I think!

Now the word 'beyond' is subjective, after it has been used already with no objection.  Interesting.

So, you could have done the very accomplishments, for example, that Einstein did?  You are actually building upon those, and going further?

Are you qualified for any job that is available in this country?

[Rigon]

Maybe we can start with some common ground.

If there is a Creator (premise, that is all, don't get hung up here), who brought all the universe into being (however it was done), such a Being would be beyond us in comprehension in some areas at least, true?

Your definition is going to be as plastic as possible to avoid getting specific. or even worse the idea will be so simplistic as to suggest that if anyone knows some data that I dont, it proves there is thinking that is beyond mine. I have no intention of playing such ring around the rosie games!

So to make things easier

If you think there is thinking that is beyond my thinking, then it would be helpful if you stated what that thinking is.

Otherwise my experience says no there is no one capable of thinking better than I think!

Now the word 'beyond' is subjective, after it has been used already with no objection.  Interesting.

So, you could have done the very accomplishments, for example, that Einstein did?  You are actually building upon those, and going further?

Are you qualified for any job that is available in this country?

I wasn't including every time you used the term, I meant that I immediately challenged the meaning, when you applied it to me.

As soon as you asked me specifically if there was any human being who was beyond my thinking, I asked for the definition.

So if it will get you back on track, I will include all your uses of the term, because even in those cases I believe it was subjective!

Having said that I think its irrelevant since I already knew your definition before you did!
Making the question rhetorical anyway. My answer was and is No!

[Rigon]

Basically in your opinion if anyone knows any data that I don't... then their thinking is beyond mine. That's pretty lame since that would imply that every one's thinking is beyond everyone else's since everyone probably knows something that someone else does not! And your own question demonstrates the error of that rationale.

Am I qualified for every job there is??? No!
So who is so qualified???  No one!


So after all that, you still have not presented a non subjective definition of what "beyond" really is.

[zolace]

Basically in your opinion if anyone knows any data that I don't... then their thinking is beyond mine. That's pretty lame since that would imply that every one's thinking is beyond everyone else's since everyone probably knows something that someone else does not! And your own question demonstrates the error of that rationale.

Am I qualified for every job there is??? No!
So who is so qualified???  No one!


So after all that, you still have not presented a non subjective definition of what "beyond" really is.

Agreed no Human.  The Creator has no such limitations.  He is all powerful and all knowing.
Thank you!
You agreed that no human is qualified for every job.  There are jobs beyond each one of us.

Since this is not a problem for the all powerful, all knowing Creator, He is obviously far superior to us.

[Puppet]

The bible is a collection of stories teaching christian ways

Have you actually read the book? The old testament ? Racial and sexual discrimination, mass murder, slavery, rape, child molestation, ethnic cleansing, infanticide, ...

Wait, I guess you are right after all.

[Rigon]

Basically in your opinion if anyone knows any data that I don't... then their thinking is beyond mine. That's pretty lame since that would imply that every one's thinking is beyond everyone else's since everyone probably knows something that someone else does not! And your own question demonstrates the error of that rationale.

Am I qualified for every job there is??? No!
So who is so qualified???  No one!


So after all that, you still have not presented a non subjective definition of what "beyond" really is.

Agreed no Human.  The Creator has no such limitations.  He is all powerful and all knowing.
Thank you!
You agreed that no human is qualified for every job.  There are jobs beyond each one of us.

Since this is not a problem for the all powerful, all knowing Creator, He is obviously far superior to us.

I can always become qualified for any job by acquiring the necessary knowledge! So how is it beyond my thinking? Just knock Zolace and the door will be opened!

[zolace]

I agree.  That is the point.

[Rigon]

I agree.  That is the point.

What a crock of BS!

First you try to say its beyond me... now suddenly you agree its not!

And there was suppose to be some point.

I guess if you think contradicting yourself was the point!

[zolace]

I agree.  That is the point.

What a crock of BS!

First you try to say its beyond me... now suddenly you agree its not!

And there was suppose to be some point.

I guess if you think contradicting yourself was the point!

What are you talking about?  I am agreeing that you cannot always become qualified for any job by acquiring the necessary knowledge.  How is that contradicting myself?

[tattooist]

Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?

Historically accurate you ask?

let's see.. talking snakes..Dragons..angels mating with mortals resulting in giants..unicorns
the great flood..6000 year old world..somebody celebrated his 969year birthday (Methuselah)
rainbow promise..a flat world..jonah in the whale..etc

This is just of the top of my head but I would have to say no

[Vuqel]

Yes! Many educated people assume that science and modern scholarship have thoroughly discredited the Bible and relegated this ancient text to the dustbin of history.
 See more at: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2006/march-april/can-you-believe-bible

[Lethn]

Maybe we can start with some common ground.

If there is a Creator (premise, that is all, don't get hung up here), who brought all the universe into being (however it was done), such a Being would be beyond us in comprehension in some areas at least, true?

Common ground? If religious people believe that homosexuals are psychologically damaged and should be 'dealt' with then that's what they believe and we aren't allowed to disagree, there is no fucking common ground with religious fascists, you insist on forcing your beliefs on other people even if they're completely made up, deluded and ignore reality. If a giant asteroid came hurtling towards earth and was about to flatten a city and kill everyone within a certain radius and you believed it wouldn't you'd force everyone to go and stand with you and wait for it to hit the spot your standing on, I cannot ever go along with that kind of arrogance.

If there's one thing me and communists can always agree on it's religious people who use the government to enforce religious beliefs are a bunch of dangerous psychopaths and if anyone disagrees with this who's religious feel free to have the balls to denounce them instead of staying suspiciously silent on the issue.

[patt0]

Yes! Many educated people assume that science and modern scholarship have thoroughly discredited the Bible and relegated this ancient text to the dustbin of history.
 See more at: http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2006/march-april/can-you-believe-bible

Lol so much nonsense in that site! xD

But which books of the bible are we talking about here? Many were written many decades after the events, and some obviously aren't accurate like genesis and others.