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May 07, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
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I need to find one ASAP
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May 07, 2012, 07:19:18 PM
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Right here. It's called the Internet. It seems to work pretty well all things considered.

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May 07, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
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Right here. It's called the Internet. It seems to work pretty well all things considered.
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May 07, 2012, 07:54:54 PM
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Have you tried Somalia?

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May 07, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
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You can't - humans always gang up and appoint leaders.  There never had been nor will there every be a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority.

to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.

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May 08, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
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to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, ICANN has this big red button with key switches on either side of it, which has the magical ability to force arbitrary network operators (even those outside the US) to do whatever ICANN wants (most are already doing what ICANN wants, but only because ICANN doesn't want to "turn off" the Internet). Though it was never fully explained to me just how it works exactly... Roll Eyes

Seriously though, the power that ICANN and other governing bodies have over the Internet is purely voluntary. If their decisions prove unpopular, network operators can and will simply ignore them, except where required by local laws (and sometimes even then).

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May 08, 2012, 09:12:01 AM
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Have you tried Somalia?
And, strangely, they are getting the benefits of anarchy along with the, umm, slight inconveniences.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12278628

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May 08, 2012, 09:30:45 AM
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to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, ICANN has this big red button with key switches on either side of it, which has the magical ability to force arbitrary network operators (even those outside the US) to do whatever ICANN wants (most are already doing what ICANN wants, but only because ICANN doesn't want to "turn off" the Internet). Though it was never fully explained to me just how it works exactly... Roll Eyes

Seriously though, the power that ICANN and other governing bodies have over the Internet is purely voluntary. If their decisions prove unpopular, network operators can and will simply ignore them, except where required by local laws (and sometimes even then).

Exactly.  ICANN can told to stop DNS working and local ISPs can be told to close down.  The Internet is not in a state of anarchy - its regulated.

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May 08, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
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Have you tried Somalia?
And, strangely, they are getting the benefits of anarchy along with the, umm, slight inconveniences.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12278628


Yep, business is thriving in Somalia, but they still "need" a government for "stability". Though the article never mentions what the instability is. Perhaps stability is just a synonym for government? Never mind that the previous Government destroyed the country. Lots of opinion, no sources or justification.

I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.
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May 09, 2012, 03:12:22 AM
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If it is anarchy you want, then join the CIA. It is their stock in trade. They will teach you marketing skills, weapons and bomb making, interrogation,  and any other skill that can be used to be disruptive and overthrow governments (including in the US). Their goal is hell on earth.

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May 09, 2012, 03:18:36 AM
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Somalia, the Libertarian wet dream. Please go there.

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May 09, 2012, 03:19:07 AM
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May 09, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
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I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 
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May 09, 2012, 10:00:09 PM
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I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 

In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.

That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.

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May 10, 2012, 10:06:15 PM
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I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 

In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.

That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.

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May 11, 2012, 09:41:17 AM
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LOL. I hope some libertarian goes to Somalia, and makes documentary about how great the somalian society is.

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May 12, 2012, 04:11:20 AM
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LOL. I hope some libertarian goes to Somalia, and makes documentary about how great the somalian society is.
Didn't Dr. Danger already do that?

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May 28, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
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So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 
In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.
That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.
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Read this:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1880
http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/64_somalia.pdf
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May 29, 2012, 07:15:58 AM
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So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government.  
In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.
That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.

Read this:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1880
http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/64_somalia.pdf
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Yes.  It says that the Xeer legal system worked fine for a short while and then "In 2004, the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) was created in exile with U.N. backing. In February 2006 it entered Somalia, and so far, controls only the town of Baidoa."

The result was war and famine which continues to this day.

That is the essential problem with anarchy.  You might have a working system within your small community and you might be able to live off remittances.  But you won't be left alone.  In Somalia's case, the US, Ethiopia and Eritrea all have armed proxies operating in the country.  In Afghanistan's case, you have the US and NATO on the ground along with proxy armies of India and Pakistan.  If you don't have your own state, this is what happens.

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